December 3, 2025 • 18 mins
Scott talks with Hamilton County Commissioner Alicia Reece about the ongoing battle over the property tax rebate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you want to be an American idiot? It's only dunbound.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Seven hundred will held up to the news yesterday of
the Hamlin County commissioned. It is the topic that keeps
on giving. The property tax rebid in Hamlin County. Commissions
are proving four and a half percent for next year,
and that, of course, way far away from the thirty
percent promise. When voters approved the half cent tax levy
and the tax increase in ninety six to fund stadium construction.
(00:24):
The vote was two to one, and the no vote
on it, of course, is from our good front Commissioner
Alicia Reese, who joins the show this morning on seven
hundred w ALW. Madam Commissioner, glad to speak with you.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Good, good to be heard this, Yeah, I gotcha.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So we've taught we I think we've talked this a lot.
You know, one year we had the thirty percent, got
that back promised. Okay, now it's four and a half percent.
The approved rate of four and a half percent. If
given it'd be like thirty two million. This is just
five million. And I look at the numbers and you
have been the loan dissenting void of on this one too.
(01:01):
Two years ago. I think it was the full thirty
percent we got that back. What changed in the last
couple of years.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, well, let me just say that, you know, when
I ran this my sex time being re elected. But
when I ran, I got down there, they were at
single digits, which is where they're at now on the
property tax rollback that was promised to the voters. And
I had said that, you know, I came on your
show and your listeners and we were able to get
(01:27):
the thirty percent had never been really introduced, and we
had the thirty percent because we have to do it
every single year. One of the things that I saw
was that it was a promise made to the taxpayers,
but they never wanted to put it in writing, and
they were hoping that the taxpayers would not be paying attention.
And so I think what makes this one significant is
(01:47):
that when we started looking at the biggles, when we
start going to the Bengal negotiations, that's when this particular
county commission board they.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Wrote the taxpayers out.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
They voted for something to go against what the taxpayers
were promised. Because as you could see in the Business Courier,
the headline with County property tax rebate looks to take
a major hits new Bengals lease is the factor, and
that's the factor we keep in the promise to the stadiums,
but not the promise to the over two hundred thousand homeowners.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We've got two sets of talking points. Long one.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
When it comes to the taxpayers and homeowners. They bring
out a set of talking points from the administrators and
my colleagues and they say, hey, we can't do this.
It's fiscally irresponsible. We don't have any money. They brought
a chart out I'd never seen chart. It's going downward
and we might go bankrupt. My colleague Disease three House
(02:49):
have put in the paper that because we went with
thirty percent, which she voted against, a tax break for
the homeowners and thirty percent because of that, we we
just can't do it and we're going bankrupt. Then they
got another set of talking points when the Bengals lease came, Oh,
this is a great thing.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
We got to do it.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Over three hundred and fifty million dollars and an eight
hundred million dollar deal with interest, nothing for the taxpayers.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
They were toasting it up.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We did it, We did it, and we and we
screwed the Hamilton County taxpayers. That's not irresponsible. They didn't
say it was irresponsible when it's a fund that does
sales tax and the Bengals were exempt from sales tax.
Maybe that reason why the fund is going down. But
they got to set another set. And then just the
(03:40):
other day they had some talking points and they said, oh,
we've got to do this redevelopment again of the banks,
which is eight hundred million dollars with some tables and
chairs and some spaces where people can hear free music.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
They went to.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Clap it and we got the money. When we wanted
to do sundance and I supported someday, but we didn't
get it. We came up the administrator says, I got
a rabbit out of the hat. Here's another two million dollars.
We can do it. Well, we were going to do
another thing that we needed. He went into the rabbit
in the hat.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
We can do it.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
So it's a magic show down at the county that
I have observed since i've been there. And then it
was said that my colleague said, well, maybe if we
don't do the thirty percent and we'll keep collecting, we'll
be able to do more in the future. Well, we've
(04:36):
done this for thirty years. Twenty four of those years
I wasn't even there. So where was this collection? Because
for twenty four years we've been in single digits. Twenty
four years, we haven't done the thirty percent, So where
is this collection of money that they're referring to. We
gave them twenty four years. I gave them twenty four
years before I got there, and then I introduced the
(04:58):
thirty percent. And now all of sudden you say that
because of the homeowners getting a break, we're bankrupting the fund.
So there's two sets of talking points. It's a every
time we get ready for this season, as you know song,
it's a magic show the administrator. When certain people want something,
(05:19):
my colleagues come out and jump. We found the money
for the Bengals. If we didn't have the money, maybe
we should have got a different deal.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
If the fund was going.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Bankrupt, maybe we should have said, no, Bengals, you cannot
be exempt from sales tax because we use sales tax
to fund the stadium. Maybe we should have said no,
we need a deal like Denver, where less public money.
They almost have no public money going in and they're
going to have a brand new stadium. So to say
(05:51):
that it's the homeowner's fault, we got to penalize the homeowners.
We can't help the homeowners. The other argument that they
said was a thirty percent. I mean, you're not getting
that much money back, sloans. If Kroger's, I've seen Krogers
say we're gonna have five and ten percent off, and
people bust the door down to get that five and
(06:12):
ten percent. You use that little card because you want
to get a percentage off on your gas. People are
looking for affordability break, and any break we can give
them is important. Right now now Sloans. Just yesterday they
went with not giving the homeowners the full thirty percent rebate,
right and then they're getting ready to vote on a
(06:36):
budget that will increase your sewer bill. So now we're
gonna that's that's adding another four percent. They added four
percent last year.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I disagreed. I voted no.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
So that's eight percent. You almost had to ten percent
in two years where your bill is going up. So
we're gonna make the bill go up. We're not gonna
give you the break that we that you were promised.
We're gonna keep the promise to the Bengals, but all
of a sudden, no promise to the homeowners. We have
to pay for this. It's two hundred thousand homeowners that
need to break. And then we also the administrator has
(07:13):
proposed in his budget and it might go I'm gonna
fight against it. Now we also want to add to
the closing costs.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, the property transfer tax.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I was going to bring that up as well, and
I'll fold in you know, you know, and again it's
a probably not fair to bring this up, but I
think it's the headline about more taxes, right, the one
percent tax around the Convention Center district for food and bars.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
If you partake in that kind of stuff. So it it.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And you know that's outside of the scope too, because
that's a choice. It's not mandatory like animals you've got
to buy stuff every But at the same time, I mean,
we add up, we add all that up stuff, we
add it all together. Right, It but still a fee
that people are going to pay.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
No, wait a minute, well that's a good points you made.
You're gonna add a one percent tax if you eat
around a certain area. They have it in other areas.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
But it's at a.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Property that the county before I got there.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Now they voted.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It's there as a fifty two million dollars Millennium hotel
was there. It's fifty two million dollars it cost to
get rid of it and tear it down, and then
you're replacing it with something that you're not making any money.
This one percent doesn't go to the county.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
This is going to three CDC. You don't get no
money back.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Fifty two million dollars down the two and you put
something there that doesn't make any money.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
That'll make money though, because you're going to bring people
from out of town to spend money and pay those taxes.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That's that's why they're doing it. Makes sense.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Well wait a minute, hold that, Okay, fifty If the
taxpayers put out fifty two million, then we're not getting
anything from that that goes to the developers, so we
get zero. That's what I'm saying. What I said on
your show, and I broke in first with you, was
that I told the administrator, I said, why don't we
get the liquor license down there so that we can
(09:06):
get the funding back to the county. Coffer and he's
supposed to be looking at it. But anytime I say
something of that magnitude, he's looking at it, and he's
looking at it Like I said, it's a magic show.
You know, there's a movie out called Now You see Me?
Now you don't. That's what's happening down at the county.
One minute. If you have an idea to bring money
(09:27):
in to help the taxpayers, that all of a sudden,
we can't do it. If you want to give the
homeowners a break, you can't do it. If you want
to get a taxpayers a break, you can't do it.
Then all of a sudden, over here, like you just
say it, there's a tax but we're not benefiting for him,
and the homeowner's not benefiting from it. Nothing is going
back to help us get a break. Is going to
(09:49):
a developer. All of a sudden, it's a great idea,
we're moving in the wrong direction. And also there's a
lot of funds down there at the county. I'm trying
to get my hands around it, because all of a sudden,
I said, give me, where are all the funds, where's
our money?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
What's in here? They don't give it to me.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And then all of a sudden, when certain people call
there's a rabbit out of the hat.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
We can do it, bigs, Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Don't worry about this.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well, Denise, we can't do it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, I think Denise Threehouse said that. By the way,
Alisha Reesa on the show this morning of the property
tax we bit, she said, I think called the last
time we did the full three thirty one thirty two
million dollars rebate irresponsible. It is irresponsible Black and THEYR
responsible now and quoted some figures that they fund the
reserve fund. Is that forty seven percent of maximum at
MAXI manual debt service the recommended numbers eighty five percent?
(10:40):
Uh so, who's if you're somebod who listen to this
right now and you're in the county Hamlin, County, Lisha Reese,
you're looking at going, who am I supposed to believe
on this?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Either we have the money or we don't have the money.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, well, it's well onness. Me and her have a
difference of opinion. I am not for raising taxes, so
we're gonna always disagree. She voted against giving the homeowners
the break last time. She was the one vote that
voted against it. But to put up that is irresponsible,
(11:12):
is disingenuous. Her and the administrator are together. Every time
you hear the administrator is almost like an extension of
the staff.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Because, by the way, where was.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
The chart when you look at that fund, you got
to look at the stadium. So before you do a
stadium deal, you got to put all the chips on
the table.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So it was.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Irresponsible to do a stadium deal knowing that you wouldn't
be able to give a break to the homeowners. That's
why I wanted to take it to the ballot. It's
not about who should have taxpayers believe. I'm for putting
it to the taxpayers and letting them have a say.
If you take the taxpayers off the ballot and not
have a say, now you just turn it over down
(11:57):
to the administration. Now, I'll be honest with you. When
I came in, I came in. I'm the newest member
of the three, and I came in because people said
they wanted me to shake it up, open up the process,
and fight for the taxpayers first. And so that's where
I'm coming from. So we all got differences of who
(12:17):
we you know, what we believe and so forth. But
I'm looking at the numbers. The Bengals deal, and the
headline was right in the courier is the reason the
fund is going the way it's going. The fact that
they're not paying any sales tax themselves is the reason
that the fund is going bankrupt. So her belief is
(12:41):
blame the homeowners. Mine is, let's look at who's getting
who's benefiting from the fund, and it's not the homeowners.
And I believe that we could have done both if
we would have gotten a better deal. But if you
don't get a whole house away, and now you come
back to the people who elected us and you tell
them we can't do it. We can't keep your promise,
(13:03):
but we can keep the famis to the Bengals. I
think from the voters that voted for me the two
hundred eighteen thousand, they're saying, that's a bunch of crap,
and then to come back on the same thing and
pile on and say now we're going to go up
on your stewer rate. The people that voted for me
two underd eighteen thousand said that's a bunch of bull
and then to come back and say, now we're going
(13:25):
to balance the budget by now even adding this real
estate transfer fee. You know, the realators, the investors, real
estate investors, the real estate homeowners, all of them have
come out over seventy five two hundred members. And they
didn't even get the courtesy of even being talked.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
To the Board of Realtors.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
They didn't even get the home Builders Association, they didn't
even get the courtesy of getting a phone call. And
so they have come out. So the experts who are
in this have come out and said this is going
to hurt us as a county because people will now
move to other counties. The people who do this every
day for living and also pay taxes have said that
(14:08):
rent will go up because the landlord's now got to
pass this this property tax on to somebody, and they're
going to pass it on. And then, as you know, Sloan,
there was articles that the in Choir is doing on
these senior citizens, and they had one of them that
I brought up. Gentlemen seventy three years old, always worked
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his whole life, painted bills, had his home and now
getting ready to lose his home because the property tax
has jumped up triple and after his Social Security check
he only has he pays that right the property tax.
He only has forty dollars left to pay for medicine, gas,
(14:50):
and electric et cetera.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
The state is the states working on a plan to
help folks like that, which is a good thing. Finally,
Alisia Reese, Oh, you also started to change that ORG
petition for residents of voice. Does that really carry that
much weight? I mean it changed that ORG. It doesn't
really influence it then, does it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Well, what we want to do is every year we
have to vote on this, and it always comes at
the last second, so people might can't get down there.
I want to start now and hear from the people directly,
and so therefore that's why we put the petition out there,
so we could hear from the people directly. I'm hearing
from them, am I out in the community, But I
want to make sure they understand my colleagues. They may say, oh,
(15:32):
it's two to one. No, it's not two to one.
I got two hundred and eighteen thousand voters. But now
let's hear from the I'm trying to let them hear
from the homeowners themselves. And so this petition will it
won't stop to thirty percent this time, but we would
be prepared next time. But secondly, it can also impact
the budget that we're getting ready to do with the
(15:55):
additional feed for the transfer tax, and so we'll be
fighting for that. So the reason we're doing this is
to try to give the people a chance to be heard,
and then we'll be prepared so when we go in
they say, hey, here's what the people are saying. And
I do think it can make a difference because Sloan,
they didn't. They told me we could never get thirty percent.
(16:18):
I came on here and we fought, like hell, we
got it my first year. We came on here, we
fought like hell, we got it another year, and so
we just got to keep fighting. But if you get quiet,
they're hoping you get quiet.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
They're hoping you don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
We're hoping that you only a few people know what's
going on, and then by the time you get your bill,
it's too late because the vote has already been tanged.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
She is, she's preaching the gods with the lead show reason.
I know you had a health scare and I wasn't
aware of that, but I'm so glad that unfortunately got
great treatment, great healthcare. You see, and you're doing much
much better. So it's good to have you back in
the game and speaking truth of powers.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Great.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah, I got great health care mercy Jews. Yeah, the
nurses and the doctors, and my doctor said it could
have been fatal. So I just wanted to be very spiritual.
I want to thank God, but I want to take
those doctors and nurses. And while I was there, what
are nurses? That came on the TV. They didn't know
who I was, and the property tax came on and
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she says, oh, man, I me and my husband we
can't afford to go up. And so that's why I
went to the meeting yesterday, even though you're.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Not supposed to be doing it. Will you get shut
the hell up and get some rest? Would you go?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I'll go lay down down, put your.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Feed up, elevate, get get the coughs on your ear
legs to keep the DVT away, and uh live to
fight another day. God bless you, Alicia, Thanks for coming on.
Thank you take care of it's a Scott Slum show.
One of my favorite all time guests. Right there, Alicia,
she just she just spits. Man, she just goes well,
say hi, and man, I can go get coffee. Come
(17:56):
on back, she's still talking. She's the best right there.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Scott Slung Show, seven hundred w ald
Do you want to be an American idiot? It's only dunbound.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Seven hundred will held up to the news yesterday of
the Hamlin County commissioned. It is the topic that keeps
on giving. The property tax rebid in Hamlin County. Commissions
are proving four and a half percent for next year,
and that, of course, way far away from the thirty
percent promise. When voters approved the half cent tax levy
and the tax increase in ninety six to fund stadium construction.
(00:24):
The vote was two to one, and the no vote
on it, of course, is from our good front Commissioner
Alicia Reese, who joins the show this morning on seven
hundred w ALW. Madam Commissioner, glad to speak with you.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Good, good to be heard this, Yeah, I gotcha.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So we've taught we I think we've talked this a lot.
You know, one year we had the thirty percent, got
that back promised. Okay, now it's four and a half percent.
The approved rate of four and a half percent. If
given it'd be like thirty two million. This is just
five million. And I look at the numbers and you
have been the loan dissenting void of on this one too.
(01:01):
Two years ago. I think it was the full thirty
percent we got that back. What changed in the last
couple of years.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, well, let me just say that, you know, when
I ran this my sex time being re elected. But
when I ran, I got down there, they were at
single digits, which is where they're at now on the
property tax rollback that was promised to the voters. And
I had said that, you know, I came on your
show and your listeners and we were able to get
(01:27):
the thirty percent had never been really introduced, and we
had the thirty percent because we have to do it
every single year. One of the things that I saw
was that it was a promise made to the taxpayers,
but they never wanted to put it in writing, and
they were hoping that the taxpayers would not be paying attention.
And so I think what makes this one significant is
(01:47):
that when we started looking at the biggles, when we
start going to the Bengal negotiations, that's when this particular
county commission board they.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Wrote the taxpayers out.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
They voted for something to go against what the taxpayers
were promised. Because as you could see in the Business Courier,
the headline with County property tax rebate looks to take
a major hits new Bengals lease is the factor, and
that's the factor we keep in the promise to the stadiums,
but not the promise to the over two hundred thousand homeowners.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
We've got two sets of talking points. Long one.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
When it comes to the taxpayers and homeowners. They bring
out a set of talking points from the administrators and
my colleagues and they say, hey, we can't do this.
It's fiscally irresponsible. We don't have any money. They brought
a chart out I'd never seen chart. It's going downward
and we might go bankrupt. My colleague Disease three House
(02:49):
have put in the paper that because we went with
thirty percent, which she voted against, a tax break for
the homeowners and thirty percent because of that, we we
just can't do it and we're going bankrupt. Then they
got another set of talking points when the Bengals lease came, Oh,
this is a great thing.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
We got to do it.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Over three hundred and fifty million dollars and an eight
hundred million dollar deal with interest, nothing for the taxpayers.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
They were toasting it up.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
We did it, We did it, and we and we
screwed the Hamilton County taxpayers. That's not irresponsible. They didn't
say it was irresponsible when it's a fund that does
sales tax and the Bengals were exempt from sales tax.
Maybe that reason why the fund is going down. But
they got to set another set. And then just the
(03:40):
other day they had some talking points and they said, oh,
we've got to do this redevelopment again of the banks,
which is eight hundred million dollars with some tables and
chairs and some spaces where people can hear free music.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
They went to.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Clap it and we got the money. When we wanted
to do sundance and I supported someday, but we didn't
get it. We came up the administrator says, I got
a rabbit out of the hat. Here's another two million dollars.
We can do it. Well, we were going to do
another thing that we needed. He went into the rabbit
in the hat.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
We can do it.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
So it's a magic show down at the county that
I have observed since i've been there. And then it
was said that my colleague said, well, maybe if we
don't do the thirty percent and we'll keep collecting, we'll
be able to do more in the future. Well, we've
(04:36):
done this for thirty years. Twenty four of those years
I wasn't even there. So where was this collection? Because
for twenty four years we've been in single digits. Twenty
four years, we haven't done the thirty percent, So where
is this collection of money that they're referring to. We
gave them twenty four years. I gave them twenty four
years before I got there, and then I introduced the
(04:58):
thirty percent. And now all of sudden you say that
because of the homeowners getting a break, we're bankrupting the fund.
So there's two sets of talking points. It's a every
time we get ready for this season, as you know song,
it's a magic show the administrator. When certain people want something,
(05:19):
my colleagues come out and jump. We found the money
for the Bengals. If we didn't have the money, maybe
we should have got a different deal.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
If the fund was going.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Bankrupt, maybe we should have said, no, Bengals, you cannot
be exempt from sales tax because we use sales tax
to fund the stadium. Maybe we should have said no,
we need a deal like Denver, where less public money.
They almost have no public money going in and they're
going to have a brand new stadium. So to say
(05:51):
that it's the homeowner's fault, we got to penalize the homeowners.
We can't help the homeowners. The other argument that they
said was a thirty percent. I mean, you're not getting
that much money back, sloans. If Kroger's, I've seen Krogers
say we're gonna have five and ten percent off, and
people bust the door down to get that five and
(06:12):
ten percent. You use that little card because you want
to get a percentage off on your gas. People are
looking for affordability break, and any break we can give
them is important. Right now now Sloans. Just yesterday they
went with not giving the homeowners the full thirty percent rebate,
right and then they're getting ready to vote on a
(06:36):
budget that will increase your sewer bill. So now we're
gonna that's that's adding another four percent. They added four
percent last year.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
I disagreed. I voted no.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
So that's eight percent. You almost had to ten percent
in two years where your bill is going up. So
we're gonna make the bill go up. We're not gonna
give you the break that we that you were promised.
We're gonna keep the promise to the Bengals, but all
of a sudden, no promise to the homeowners. We have
to pay for this. It's two hundred thousand homeowners that
need to break. And then we also the administrator has
(07:13):
proposed in his budget and it might go I'm gonna
fight against it. Now we also want to add to
the closing costs.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, the property transfer tax.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I was going to bring that up as well, and
I'll fold in you know, you know, and again it's
a probably not fair to bring this up, but I
think it's the headline about more taxes, right, the one
percent tax around the Convention Center district for food and bars.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
If you partake in that kind of stuff. So it it.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And you know that's outside of the scope too, because
that's a choice. It's not mandatory like animals you've got
to buy stuff every But at the same time, I mean,
we add up, we add all that up stuff, we
add it all together. Right, It but still a fee
that people are going to pay.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
No, wait a minute, well that's a good points you made.
You're gonna add a one percent tax if you eat
around a certain area. They have it in other areas.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
But it's at a.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Property that the county before I got there.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Now they voted.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
It's there as a fifty two million dollars Millennium hotel
was there. It's fifty two million dollars it cost to
get rid of it and tear it down, and then
you're replacing it with something that you're not making any money.
This one percent doesn't go to the county.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
This is going to three CDC. You don't get no
money back.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Fifty two million dollars down the two and you put
something there that doesn't make any money.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
That'll make money though, because you're going to bring people
from out of town to spend money and pay those taxes.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That's that's why they're doing it. Makes sense.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Well wait a minute, hold that, Okay, fifty If the
taxpayers put out fifty two million, then we're not getting
anything from that that goes to the developers, so we
get zero. That's what I'm saying. What I said on
your show, and I broke in first with you, was
that I told the administrator, I said, why don't we
get the liquor license down there so that we can
(09:06):
get the funding back to the county. Coffer and he's
supposed to be looking at it. But anytime I say
something of that magnitude, he's looking at it, and he's
looking at it Like I said, it's a magic show.
You know, there's a movie out called Now You see Me?
Now you don't. That's what's happening down at the county.
One minute. If you have an idea to bring money
(09:27):
in to help the taxpayers, that all of a sudden,
we can't do it. If you want to give the
homeowners a break, you can't do it. If you want
to get a taxpayers a break, you can't do it.
Then all of a sudden, over here, like you just
say it, there's a tax but we're not benefiting for him,
and the homeowner's not benefiting from it. Nothing is going
back to help us get a break. Is going to
(09:49):
a developer. All of a sudden, it's a great idea,
we're moving in the wrong direction. And also there's a
lot of funds down there at the county. I'm trying
to get my hands around it, because all of a sudden,
I said, give me, where are all the funds, where's
our money?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
What's in here? They don't give it to me.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And then all of a sudden, when certain people call
there's a rabbit out of the hat.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
We can do it, bigs, Okay.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Don't worry about this.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well, Denise, we can't do it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, I think Denise Threehouse said that. By the way,
Alisha Reesa on the show this morning of the property
tax we bit, she said, I think called the last
time we did the full three thirty one thirty two
million dollars rebate irresponsible. It is irresponsible Black and THEYR
responsible now and quoted some figures that they fund the
reserve fund. Is that forty seven percent of maximum at
MAXI manual debt service the recommended numbers eighty five percent?
(10:40):
Uh so, who's if you're somebod who listen to this
right now and you're in the county Hamlin, County, Lisha Reese,
you're looking at going, who am I supposed to believe
on this?
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Either we have the money or we don't have the money.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, well, it's well onness. Me and her have a
difference of opinion. I am not for raising taxes, so
we're gonna always disagree. She voted against giving the homeowners
the break last time. She was the one vote that
voted against it. But to put up that is irresponsible,
(11:12):
is disingenuous. Her and the administrator are together. Every time
you hear the administrator is almost like an extension of
the staff.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Because, by the way, where was.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
The chart when you look at that fund, you got
to look at the stadium. So before you do a
stadium deal, you got to put all the chips on
the table.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So it was.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Irresponsible to do a stadium deal knowing that you wouldn't
be able to give a break to the homeowners. That's
why I wanted to take it to the ballot. It's
not about who should have taxpayers believe. I'm for putting
it to the taxpayers and letting them have a say.
If you take the taxpayers off the ballot and not
have a say, now you just turn it over down
(11:57):
to the administration. Now, I'll be honest with you. When
I came in, I came in. I'm the newest member
of the three, and I came in because people said
they wanted me to shake it up, open up the process,
and fight for the taxpayers first. And so that's where
I'm coming from. So we all got differences of who
(12:17):
we you know, what we believe and so forth. But
I'm looking at the numbers. The Bengals deal, and the
headline was right in the courier is the reason the
fund is going the way it's going. The fact that
they're not paying any sales tax themselves is the reason
that the fund is going bankrupt. So her belief is
(12:41):
blame the homeowners. Mine is, let's look at who's getting
who's benefiting from the fund, and it's not the homeowners.
And I believe that we could have done both if
we would have gotten a better deal. But if you
don't get a whole house away, and now you come
back to the people who elected us and you tell
them we can't do it. We can't keep your promise,
(13:03):
but we can keep the famis to the Bengals. I
think from the voters that voted for me the two
hundred eighteen thousand, they're saying, that's a bunch of crap,
and then to come back on the same thing and
pile on and say now we're going to go up
on your stewer rate. The people that voted for me
two underd eighteen thousand said that's a bunch of bull
and then to come back and say, now we're going
(13:25):
to balance the budget by now even adding this real
estate transfer fee. You know, the realators, the investors, real
estate investors, the real estate homeowners, all of them have
come out over seventy five two hundred members. And they
didn't even get the courtesy of even being talked.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
To the Board of Realtors.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
They didn't even get the home Builders Association, they didn't
even get the courtesy of getting a phone call. And
so they have come out. So the experts who are
in this have come out and said this is going
to hurt us as a county because people will now
move to other counties. The people who do this every
day for living and also pay taxes have said that
(14:08):
rent will go up because the landlord's now got to
pass this this property tax on to somebody, and they're
going to pass it on. And then, as you know, Sloan,
there was articles that the in Choir is doing on
these senior citizens, and they had one of them that
I brought up. Gentlemen seventy three years old, always worked
(14:29):
his whole life, painted bills, had his home and now
getting ready to lose his home because the property tax
has jumped up triple and after his Social Security check
he only has he pays that right the property tax.
He only has forty dollars left to pay for medicine, gas,
(14:50):
and electric et cetera.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
The state is the states working on a plan to
help folks like that, which is a good thing. Finally,
Alisia Reese, Oh, you also started to change that ORG
petition for residents of voice. Does that really carry that
much weight? I mean it changed that ORG. It doesn't
really influence it then, does it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Well, what we want to do is every year we
have to vote on this, and it always comes at
the last second, so people might can't get down there.
I want to start now and hear from the people directly,
and so therefore that's why we put the petition out there,
so we could hear from the people directly. I'm hearing
from them, am I out in the community, But I
want to make sure they understand my colleagues. They may say, oh,
(15:32):
it's two to one. No, it's not two to one.
I got two hundred and eighteen thousand voters. But now
let's hear from the I'm trying to let them hear
from the homeowners themselves. And so this petition will it
won't stop to thirty percent this time, but we would
be prepared next time. But secondly, it can also impact
the budget that we're getting ready to do with the
(15:55):
additional feed for the transfer tax, and so we'll be
fighting for that. So the reason we're doing this is
to try to give the people a chance to be heard,
and then we'll be prepared so when we go in
they say, hey, here's what the people are saying. And
I do think it can make a difference because Sloan,
they didn't. They told me we could never get thirty percent.
(16:18):
I came on here and we fought, like hell, we
got it my first year. We came on here, we
fought like hell, we got it another year, and so
we just got to keep fighting. But if you get quiet,
they're hoping you get quiet.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
They're hoping you don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
We're hoping that you only a few people know what's
going on, and then by the time you get your bill,
it's too late because the vote has already been tanged.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
She is, she's preaching the gods with the lead show reason.
I know you had a health scare and I wasn't
aware of that, but I'm so glad that unfortunately got
great treatment, great healthcare. You see, and you're doing much
much better. So it's good to have you back in
the game and speaking truth of powers.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Great.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah, I got great health care mercy Jews. Yeah, the
nurses and the doctors, and my doctor said it could
have been fatal. So I just wanted to be very spiritual.
I want to thank God, but I want to take
those doctors and nurses. And while I was there, what
are nurses? That came on the TV. They didn't know
who I was, and the property tax came on and
(17:18):
she says, oh, man, I me and my husband we
can't afford to go up. And so that's why I
went to the meeting yesterday, even though you're.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Not supposed to be doing it. Will you get shut
the hell up and get some rest? Would you go?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I'll go lay down down, put your.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Feed up, elevate, get get the coughs on your ear
legs to keep the DVT away, and uh live to
fight another day. God bless you, Alicia, Thanks for coming on.
Thank you take care of it's a Scott Slum show.
One of my favorite all time guests. Right there, Alicia,
she just she just spits. Man, she just goes well,
say hi, and man, I can go get coffee. Come
(17:56):
on back, she's still talking. She's the best right there.
That's great.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Scott Slung Show, seven hundred w ald
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