Scott Sloan -- 10/27/25

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm as sick as you are. Bengals lose yesterday. We'll
get into that later on this morning on the Scott's
Flown Show on seven hundred WODA. But in the meantime
we know religion and politics that the line has been blurred.
It used to be two things you don't talk about,
religion and politics. Then we started talking about it, and
now those two things have come together and the line
is blurred. And when that happens, you tend to not

(00:21):
question the people who are doing the bidding for you.
And you went up with the crisis and government that
we have not solely because of religion and politics and
all that. I'm not saying that at all, but it
certainly allows more will room and more cover to do
what you want, even though it may be in your
worst interest. Pat Hurley is an expert in logic and
word intersects with religion and how it's averted by authority.

(00:44):
Doctor Hurley, good morning, How are.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
You very good?

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Scott?

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
You know, having gone to school and I here have
friends again. I'm taking logic this semester and everyone got
a bad grade in logic because it seemed like it
was Oh, this should be a pretty good course. You know,
it'll be interesting and it's really hard. Why is that
logic seems like it should be rather easy.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, logic really involves something. You know, a lot of
college courts these days you all to sit back, take
it easy, but you actually have to learn something, you know,
sign up for a logic for it. There's a genuine
material there.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know. You can't just.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Simply well, maybe I just had to surround myself with
dumb friends. I'm guilty. Uh. The thing is, today especially
people believe things merely because they want to believe them.
We put all our prejudice, We have all those prejudices
in our mind because we can't put that aside and
go okay, let's let me think about this from a
factual standpoint, and we have we lost our ability to

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do that. Or maybe this is me being old, doctor Hurley,
is that maybe we were just never good at it
to begin with, what's the truth?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Well, it is something that you have to commit yourself too,
and going back to what you start, what you said
at the beginning. I do think that there is a
decline and critical thinking nowadays, and I think this is
suggested by at least two things. One is the growth
of these unfounded conspiracy theories. They seem to be coming
out of the woodwork and to the person who believes them,

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and they look like beautiful structures, you know, gorgeous castles,
but the castles in the air, and they're not supported
by anything. And then the second thing I think is,
as you said, people seem to believe anything they want
these days. They believe anything they read on the internet,
anything they hear on TV. And I think the problem
in both cases is a lack of evidence. There's no

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evidence to support these things.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
So what's worse.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
People think that evans is not necessary. I just believe
anything that you want. But critical thinking means supporting your
views and beliefs with evidence. And you might wonder, you know,
what is the cause of this? Well, they have many causes,
you know, lack of familiar familiarity with logic, pef I
picked up what you cook and steady they've sometimes.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
But I think.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Religion plays a role in this. Religion blade plays a
big role in practically everything when many people think and believe.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
And I know it's kind of different things, but I
think you can be you know, scientific and critical, but
also be a firm believer in God. Those two things
are mutually exclusive, are they?

Speaker 4 (03:20):
I think he can for the couples a lot of
people who are not doing it. You may recall that
story of the doubting Thomas from the Gospel of Jonas
trained as a Christian anyway, and the way the story went,
the apostle Thomas was present with the other apostles and
who were telling.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
The story that Jesus had risen from the dead.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
And Thomas said, no, I'm not going to believe it
until I put my fingers into the wounds in his
hands and my hand into the wound in his side.
And he just wasn't going to have anything to do
with it. But then miraculously Jesus showed up he apparently
allowed him to do that, and then he became a believer. Well,

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the point of this story, I think is that it's
better to believe without having evidence. There's something holy about
believing without evidence.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Religious religious belief brings higher kinds of truth, a higher
kind of knowledge about God and related things. And there's
another another problem I think it goes with this. Faith
of course means belief without evidence, and faith play plays
a big role in many people's religious in fact, every
religious But then there are books like the Bible and

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the Torah and the Kloran, and people believe that these
things contain the absolute final truths about everything. If you
can find it in the Bible, there.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
Everything you need.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
But the problem is the Bible hasn't been found to
be wrong about hundreds of things, and people don't look
at that. So this is sometimes called the fallacy of
the perfect dictionary.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
You want to know the.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Meaning of a word, you.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Want to know where some believe about something came from it.
If it's in the Bible, that's all you need to do,
and the same thing for the for the Quran and
the Taurus. But I would argue that there's absolutely no
book anywhere that contains every single truth. But people don't
don't recognize this, and they carry this maximum. You know,

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if it's in the Bible or some other sort, that's
all you need, and they carry it into politics in
ordinary life and have some political figure, some guru you know,
comes out and says something that's it. You don't need
to even think further about it.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Right, Well, well, I think I think also part of this.
Doctor Hurley too once you brought up with the Bible
is that it doesn't answer everything. But here's the problem
is you have this this sacred text, but it's up
to human interpretation, and so you can read a passage
from the Bible and for one religion it means one thing,
and for some other religion it means something else, which
is why you have what over four thousand different interpretations

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of a worship or a deity or whatever it might be.
And you're just hoping your guys, right, that's basically.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
What that's That's absolutely true. But I think the cure
for this kind of thing is to educate yourself, you know,
become a little bit more educated about what religion is
and where.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
It came from.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
And recently most of my writings are the fancy then
about logic, But recently I wrote a book called Religion,
Power and Illusion, Genealogy of Religious Beliefs, and it offers
an explanation for where religion came from and why it
is the way it is, and why do religious leaders
have so much power? Why does religion have rituals and festivals?

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Why is religion run by priests? Who are people that
I call priests? And why is faith so important and
why does religion involve where worship and sacrifice? So that's
that's really the focus of this book intended to explain
things and does we just throw mud at religion like
many recent books to do, but it tries to give
you reasons why you know it is the way it is.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, yeah, Well, because you're going to have people exploiting
religion for their own benefit. I mean, I think of
the televangelists, for example, the Prosperity Gospel. It's a nothing
but multi level marketing is what it is. It's a
pyramid scheme and your money floats to the top and
you may not have to give now that's your choice.
And I think the problem is a lot of this
gets in the way of understanding God and having that

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belief and that faith, because we want people to interpret
stuff for us all the time, which is your point
about logic and religion. And this is why I'm talking
to doctor Pat Hurley this morning about this in the
intersection of those two things that when blended with politics,
tends to morph your worldview, and it's politicizing religion and
vice versa, and that discourages critical thinking and promotes blind faith.

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And you want that in religion, if you believe in
one god, if you live in your God, whatever det
that is. But that's really dangerous in politics. Was there
time in the world or in America when when we
are much better at being logical, Well.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I think there was.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
And the problem is that emotion seems to back most
of the things that we think nowadays, you know, and
part of its later to this sub polarization that we
find when we find in society emotion runs the rules
of today and practically in every case, if emotion competes

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with reason, emotion is going to win. Unfortunately, that's that's
the problem, you know. So I think if we just
settled down, I think for what we are doing, we
may come back, you know, perhaps the earlier times where
we thought through things a little bit more thoroughly. But anyway,
this book that I that I have written traces religion

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back twelve thousand years all the way to the Neolithic period,
and that was the time that people began the abandoned
the hunter gather our lifestyle and they settle down in
communities to raise crops. And what happened at that time
twelve thousand years ago, there were some very clever spituals
who thought to themselves, Wow, if I could figure out

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some way of improving the coffee, you know, that would
be really popular among my group, right, And that's what
they did. That's what they did. They have they vowed,
you know, the seeds and the field and the rain
and the sun and the wind and the warm temperatures
with gods. And then they persuaded the people in the

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community that they could communicate with those gods, they could
bargain with those gods, you know, for a better harvest.
And that turned out that the harvest was good. Well.
Of course, then the people in the community rewarded these
team these are shamans, I call them. I call them
these a proto priests. This is where priests came from.
Rewarded them with all kinds of power. They gave them

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wealth and control, social status, good living conditions, madeing opportunities
and so on. And these were the first priests. And
this pattern of priests creating gods, you know, and then
persuading the people as they could bargain with those gods
has continued for twelve thousand years. And it's the very
same thing. The three seasons lies behind them. The main

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religions today of Christianity, Judaism, and in well, so people
you know, would come to the real if they would
conclude that what I've said in this book is correct,
they would see religion in a different life and they
would see that maybe just because it comes out of
the mouth of some tama, it's not a good reason

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to believe it. And just because it comes out of
the mouth of some political leader, again, it's not a
good good reason to believe it.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Is it's just easier for us as human beings to
have someone go okay, they seem to have all the answers.
I'm like, they're affiable, they have a charisma about them
that it's more important. And I think it's also part
of the tribalism that we've seen too talk to about
ancient history. Is obvious believe that, you know, for a
lot of people, it seems more important to be part
of the tribe than it is to be independent. And go, well,

(10:53):
wait a minute now, you're saying this, but this is true. Also,
how to these coincide? Because you don't want to be
the person challenging the Thompson gazelle, right, you want to
be the gazelle standing out near the pond when the
rest of the pack is gone, because then the predator
is going to come and eat your head off. That's
lot of what I think people think these days too.
We're kind of seeing a reversion, you know. We're kind

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of addressing into that, aren't we.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, I think we are. Uh.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
And this tribalism that you mentioned, of course goes back
ten thousands of years in a pre historic time, and
we're seeing, you know, a new eruption of this, brought
on I think by by the disparity that that people
have an interview, by the diversity of opinions, and by
the emotion and come come to the surface. You're absolutely right.

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It is the question of a survival and if you
stick your head out even first, so be very careful,
and they're not careful.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
Critical thinking means being careful with what you believe. It
means having evidence to support your views. That's that's what
it is. People have to come back to that, they
have to abandon this tribalism that you see today and
come to see that it's important to speak ahead on
what you believe.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, but unfortunately we have political leaders that don't espouse that,
and I guess that's part of politics too. It sounds
like it's the shaman of old days and we've ascribed
that no out of political leaders on both sides of
the which is part of the screaming and pandering that
goes on. And that's that's not a good thing. How
what role is education?

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Now?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
You have worked for years and as an educator as
a professor of logic, and you study this for a
long time, But is education Is our educational system to
blame here too?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I think it is.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I think in recent years we've seen a dumbing down
of the curriculums and that I think is really really unfortunate.
And we teach all kinds of things, you know people, uh,
compared with basket weaving and stuff. I think in recent
years this has come come to that a lot of
our courses thought in the university don't have any content

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really to speak of. And that's that's really really as
the basis.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I think there were a lot.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Of this and a lot of schools don't teach logic anymore,
which is unfortunate. Project used to be one of the
seven liberal arts, you know, and uh it's for cost.
Before the liberal arts, you know or about.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
There's almost a conspiracy theory there, right is they want
us dumb.

Speaker 4 (13:26):
It is onto something. But there's maybe a founded conspiracy
there is not unbounded. There's evidence. I think that what's happening,
you know, to our educational system in these days.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
So yeah, I mean I didn't really start thinking like
this until I was out of school, I think, which
is a sad indictment of my my education. Doctor Patrick
Curley on the show on seven hundred WLW. He has
taught logic for a long time. It's always a hard class.
But how to put your prejudice aside, like religion, power
and illusion, And I think it gives some context for
going through here. Typically politically in America, you know, we

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have about twenty percent of extremes and probably less than
that on both sides on the on the right and
on the left, and the rest of us kind of
just sit in the middle of the independent And maybe
that's why maybe there's hope here something like I just
saw a new poll forty two percent of Americans consider
themselves independent, which would make them the large make us
I guess, the largest political party in the United States.

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So I think a lot of people are getting tired
of this.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
They are, and there are extremes on the right and
the left. An Aristotle cltered. I think best, you know,
in the middle stands virtue and the bus just going
to the middle, and I think they may restore these
maybe the people who restore sanity to this situation, at least.

Speaker 6 (14:40):
I hope they do.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
I'm a little bit closer myself, so yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I kind of feel like this is maybe the end
of that. But I don't know. Maybe it's a generational
thing with baby boomers. I'm not sure, but doctor Patrick Curley, Religion,
Power and Illusion. Thanks again for the time, appreciate it,
Thank you very much. Take care. We've got to talk
about the inevitability arguably one of the worst losses of
all time, and that's saying a lot for this franchise.
We also have the thievery in front of Great American Ballpark.

(15:09):
Now only we get kicked in the crotch yesterday at Pekar.
He got kicked in the crotch at gavp All in
the same day. We'll get to that right after news.
Sloaney on seven hundred WLW. iHeart Scott's blown back on
seven hundred W l W loss the cover on this
Monday morning, and hey, Monday morning, we're coming back just

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being in pain. Well, we got just absolutely shafted, got
boned over the last twenty four hours. I mean, first
of all, you get the Bengals and a horrific loss.
And arguably, if you've been a long suffering Bengals fan,
this one that this loss feels like it's among the worst.
The other indignity. And Tom Brenneman just an hour ago
had his dad on Marty Brenneman. Somebody stole the microphone

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from the brand spaky new Marty Brenneman statue in front
of Great American Ballpark, broke the microphone off, Like I
don't know, if it's like the two guys still missing
from the Louver heist. I'm not sure who's now Now
they're stealing the Brenneman statue pieces from Cincinnati. What's this
world coming to? I wonder if the Bengals defense had
any to do with guarding Marty's statue. I'm not quite sure.

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I have to look. An investigation is forthcoming, as we'll roll,
But what an embarrassing loss. If you invested your time,
the hell if you went down to the stadium yesterday
expecting a beatdown and making it. You know, the Bengals rolling.
They get to even all as well, and good. I
can't imagine how sick in your stomach and the pit
of your stomach he must feel, having invested all that
time and hope that this should be a lock. Right,

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You look at the schedule and go, yeah, there's no
question about Bengals got this. We look right past the Jets,
and you should have because the Jets are bad football.
There's a reason that there well were until yesterday. It
went seven. In addition to being bad. All their guys
were hurt. You had one guy it bries Hall, that
was it. You had a running back that's it, justin

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Fields was terrible. You got benched. His quarterback rating was
less than sixty from the past two games, and you
lost to that guy. I mean he put up some
some really good numbers, no interceptions, a touchdown, two hundred
and forty four yards, fine, good enough to win. Good.
But the Bengals offense was just so much better. And

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I would say that the play calling and of course
the level of talent on defense are the two big
issues for this football team. And there's a low looking
past that. You know, now we got of that conversation
where I think, go, okay, well you change your defensive coordinator.
Well you know Shamar Stewart, it's going to take away.
Well yeah, you're with it on draft picks on defense,
and I don't I don't think that's I mean, you

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blame the defensive coordinator around now, Golden and I think
that you know, some of Zach's play calling was certainly questionable,
especially down the stretch, and that's fair, but that's not like, Okay,
who do we blame? Who's this on? Is to be
the big question? And I can't help but look at it,
and there's a core thing going on here, and that
is the fact that you know they're around with contract
with Trey hendricks In and getting receivers under contract and

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how are they going to get this done? And then
and really didn't do anything in the off season to
address the big concerns that as a matter of fact,
they just stood pat with the guys they had because
they didn't want to spend the money. That's above Zach Taylor,
that's above Al Golton, that's above the players on the field,
that's front off of stuff. So We're back to that
conversation again, the ugly conversation that quite honestly, the Brown
family doesn't want us to have because now you're casting

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dispersions on their ability to draft, on their ability to
run football operations. And that's what it's coming down to.
I mean, explain to me if it's indeed a coaching
Oh wow, this is diff we just come coaching. They're
not going to fire Zach Taylor. He's been to the
Super Bowl of the Century, so he's good for another
one hundred years. You got rid of Loui Anroumo who
went to Indianapolis and how they do and they're what
they're seven to one, pretty good, pretty good football team.

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He's doing. His defense is pretty good, right, that's the
same guy they ran out of town here, And so
you bring Al goldon while he's going to coach up
the he's going to coach up these guys schamar or
he's gonna coach he's got samar Stewart has been terrible.
I mean, he's literally done nothing. And you could talk
about the holdout, you could talk about the ankle injury

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and he missed the bad Okay, great, But if you
have that God given ability, you're gonna at least make
some plays, especially against a horrible line like the Jets
have nothing. At some point you got to start looking
above the coaching and okay, well these players are bad.
Well why do they have bad players? Why are they
drafting poor players? Why are they hitting on the wrong guys.
It's a fair question ask, and that falls squarely on

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the feet of Duke Tobin and everyone else above him
for that matter. Thirty nine thirty eight they lose yesterday.
That's about as embarrassing as it gets. I was thinking
back in history and I had to look it up.
Last time they one of the teams that really smoked
him was like twenty seven, nothing like fifteen years ago
to the same New York Jets team. Apparently the Jets
have their number, but fortunately only play them every so often.

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Oh my god. It's just I don't know how you
stood that didn't leave that game yesterday not sick to
your stomach. I really really don't. That's embarrassing. And a
team that's had some really embarrassing losses, Let's face it,
you beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. Defense was okay, it was
good enough to win, But man, in this game yesterday though,
it was it's just inexplicable how poorly they played against

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the worst team in the National Football League. And you
can go on again in Sunday and they were, you know,
nothing more desperate than a winless team. I get all
that stuff, but they were so hurt, they were so
decimated with injuries. They had one weapon they're running back,
and he torched it for like one hundred and thirty
plus yards. Makes no sense. You had one job. All
you gotta do is stop that guy from running the ball.
And they were running the ball in the fourth quarter,

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to show you how confident they were. M really makes
you want to rip your head out, or your your
head off, or maybe your hair out. Maybe your head
and your hair. That's that bad. We're done. We're beyond
ripping hair out. We're ripping our own heads off right now.
All right? What else is going on in this world
of ours? I hate to start it with such a downer.
Always try to look something positive on Monday morning. I

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don't know how many of those those things are going on.
Later on in the show, We're going to get ten
oh seven this morning. Kurt Ribers on from Freestore Food Bank.
We are now in the stage of the shutdown where're
starting to feel its effects. You know, in the early stages,
first couple of weeks, for first two three weeks in
this thing, it's all theater. And I said that, look,
this is you know, you're closing national parks and not

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cutting grass and picking up trash, and you know you're
still doing construction on the White House. Army Navy football
game is tell you the service academies that are doing
what they we're paying soldiers. Okay, all well and good.
The first few weeks of this thing is theater. Then
you know, federal employees, okay, we're not getting a pay
check off the start, and it's like, okay, get a
little more serious, but still not that serious. Now you're
talking about snap benefits and stuff and people not eating.

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That's a different story. And we'll see what happens on
Saturday if they can't find the money to keep people fed.
In this country, I think of it, we are collectively
a nation of largely fat bastards. We have more food
than we can possibly eat, We throw more food out
than most nations can produce, and at the same time
we have hungry people. You don't have to be a
diet in the world, progressive liberal, handwringing, tree hugging democrat

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to not feel for your fellow man, especially if you're
I would say, if you're a Christian, do you look
at that and go, that's that's horrific. But that is
part and parcel for what we're talking about. With a
government that only cares about their party. You know you
think they both care, they care about people. No, this
is putting party over politics. And when we have a
shutdown that continues to plot along. When you get to

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that thirty day mark, and there's a reason why this
is the second longest in history. The longest was thirty
five days, and thirty five days about the breaking point
where they say, okay, we got a we guess that
this very well. Maybe what happens Saturday, if we get
to that point, might be the wake up call for
this to change. But once you get past thirty days
and it goes from theater into reality, and we'll see

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that on Saturday with the with the snap cuts, and
both sides are just so dug in because the events
they're winning, the political and pr battle, that's all it is.
They just look at their internals, they look at their
poll and go, oh, there are supporters. There are one
hundred percent with us year. They want us to continue
the fight. Well, great, but in the meantime, don't like
normal people, regular people, friends, family members, co workers, neighbors.

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Don't they get squeezed out? You know the idea that
I understand that sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason, but
they also tend to die of very slow death. You know,
the idea that the people getting snap benefits are like
a bunch of welfare queens and kings that simply sit around,
exist on government benefits and don't produce anything. The ball
and Colonel talk about this after ten o'clock. The bulk

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of people or on that are actually working people and
working families, folks who are working multiple jobs that still
can't keep their head above water. That's an indictment of
our system for sure. Dems think Republicans are going to
shoulder the blame because they run Washington and Trump dominates
the political sphareesots all on them. The only thing that
they're above water on the Democrats talk about a You

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think Republicans are messed up, that Democrats are horrible. The
only issue that they're upside on the right side on
them is healthcare. In the eyes of the American people.
All the polling members indicate that Republicans win pretty every
major character, education, defense, you name it. But healthcare that's
the one area where Democrats are winning on. And this

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is about subsidy to try and carry things on for
people through the first of the year up till the
first year. We don't know what's going to happen with
an Affordable Care Act, which is of course just another
money shift, and no one will address the root issue
with this. No one wants to have a good faith conversation.
You have to have trust. No one trusts each other,
and so they'll look at their internal numbers, they look
at their supporters. And meanwhile, if you know, if you're

(24:33):
a political kool aid drinker, you love that because your
side is winning, quote unquote winning. We're winning. We're winning
this one. We're winning. We're winning. Don't back down. You
got to win, stand and fight, and of course they'll
send out appeals asking you for your money so they
can continue that fight. But in the meantime, I think
the middle part of us, the electorate, looks at it. Coinger,
who's benefiting from people starving or not getting their snap benefits.

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I don't want to see more people snap benefits. I
want to see left. I want to see people work
and buy their own food. Because of the way they've
structured the system, the way the system is set up
right now, it's hard for a lot of people to
do that, and they get caught in the middle. I
think you can be compact, you can can be a conservative,
and you can be compassionate about that too, and I
don't so hopefully maybe we can fill that gap with
the free store food bank. And like Annaway Kurt ribers

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I mentioned coming up on the show, at ten oh seven,
they caught half of them out of the four thieves
that used a ladder and a vehicle mounted the lift
to break into the louver in the Apollo Gallery. Last
week they have caught two of the four suspects of
the four thieves, one of them at least is trying
to flee the country. After the crown jewel heust in France,

(25:37):
they still eight pieces of royal jewelry, necklaces, earrings, brooches.
The brooches and belonged to Napoleon's wives and the French royalty.
So the question now is well, that means we can
recover this stuff, right. I got do a rabbit hole
this weekend reading about this, it was fascinating that if

(25:58):
you still let's say they still pain well first of all,
and the reason why they targeted jewels is because there
are motorcycles. You can put them inside your coat and
you can drive away trying to carry you know, a
giant trying to carry the I don't know the bone
elite though. Way may cause people to look at you go,
I don't know, Yeah, that looks kind of familiar. Probably

(26:20):
not the best idea. And plus was stolen paintings, you
can't it's hard to sell because thieves can't show legal
ownership down there's no title to it like a car
or house, and so you have to sit at it
for a long time. May end up in you know,
in a legitimate collection at some point in the future,
but not anytime soon. So stolen artwork like that, forget it.
But jewelry a different story. And they're saying that there's

(26:43):
a ten percent chance, a ten percent chance that this
can be recovered. The experts seem to think right now
that the precious jewels, the crown jewels, that were stolen,
had been broken up in the smaller gemstones, the metals
had been melted down and reshaped and sold to dealers
who have no idea what it is. And now, granted

(27:03):
it's a fraction of the value, because we were talking
about one hundred million dollars is what all these were worth.
But guess what those gems and that melted down gold
and silver and all that stuff still worth millions and
millions of dollars. And so maybe they said there's a
ten percent chancell I'll recover this stuff. That's incredible. Also,

(27:24):
about ninety percent nine and ten museum heights are inside jobs,
and this kind of feels like an inside job if
you watch it, if you followed it at all. I
did a little bit just because you know, art heists
and heists in general kind of fascinating. You know, there's
a Ocean's eleven, twelve and thirteen marathon on this week,
kind of kind of flipped around soft parts of that,
thinking that's like the louver, right, But most of it is,

(27:46):
you know, inside jobs, and most of it's stolen during
storage or transit, not the stuff that's in the display gallery,
which makes us even more compelling because the actually brought
broke in and stole items that are on display. Because
most museums a lot of stuff. A museum special to
Louve I think something like ten percent of their objects
are on display. Ninety percent of the stuff is in
storage somewhere, and you think, okay, well, stealing it from

(28:08):
storage is a hell of a lot easier then stealing
something on display. But again they had I think a
third or more the security cameras were down in that area,
and it was just a logistical nightmare and mess and
certainly makes the French government look incompetent and they don't
need any more help looking like that. Like I guess
they're I don't know, man, we may have to check
the lineage of the Bengals defense and maybe a connection

(28:29):
to France there. I'm not quite sure. But nonetheless, they
caught two of these individuals. One'm trying to flee the country.
But the idea they're going to get the jewels back,
according to the experts are saying it's a ten percent
chance that the stuff hasn't really melted down and already sold.
For that matter, I mean, I guess you could take
I don't know, a bunch of jewelry, break the stones off,
have somebody split the rocks down. Now you've got loose

(28:51):
diamonds and emeralds and rubies and sapphires and all those
precious gemstones. And then just take the metal that was
holding it and melt that down into what I don't know,
but into maybe a different form of jewelry. It doesn't
take all that much work if you think about it.
You just need some unscrupulous jewelers to do that for you.
And there's probably enough money in it to find unscrupulous jewelers.
So who knows, maybe that next engagementing Dimary and Pennant

(29:13):
whatever it might be one of the French ground jewels.
You know, if you're getting engaged, can you buy the
ring and say, you know, I don't say this, but
that was that was one of the Napoleonic jewels are
in there. Really can't tell anybody. You can't tell anybody.
But then again, you better trust that person because they'll
roll on you. That's what they do. Eventually, they'll roll

(29:34):
on you. It's five point three seven four nine seven
eight hundred The Big One Talkback iHeartRadio app on this
Monday morning with Scott's loan here on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I want to go.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
You got something back on seven hundred WW. So starting Saturday,
we're on the clock. Right now, about forty two million
low income people will not get their SNAP that's a
supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program benefits unless Congress breaks the stalemate.
Got to fund the government and hit things back open.
So as things stand right now, and this is a
very local concern, is that the big beautiful Bill already

(30:08):
cuts SNAP by like one hundred and eighty six billion,
which is the largest cut in history. We're headed into
winter and the holidays, which means demand for services is
going up. And right here in Sinsey, the Free Store
Food Bank is the largest emergency food and service provider
to children and families in all of Cincinnati or Kentucky
and southeast Indiana. They hand out over fifty almost fifty

(30:28):
million meals annually to low income people and families. And
the question is the strain that they're going to face
or maybe they're they're staying right now. He is the
CEO the Free Store, and that's kurt ryber Back on
the show this morning. How you been.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Yourself?

Speaker 1 (30:42):
I'm doing well. Thank you so much. You know the
story kept coming out and Okay, we've got the government shutdown,
and now the snap benefits are going to go away
starting Saturday, and we know there are already cuts to
Snap under the big beautiful bill, and we know that
the appeal starts since it's ongoing appeal. Of course it's
year round, but seemingly around the holidays, right around Thanksgiving
and Chris Smiths in winter months, there's more demand for

(31:02):
you guys as well. Are you starting to feel the impact.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
Yet, Well, we've always seen just based on their higher
growcery prices and the higher cost of living that we're
seeing right now due to inflation, Scott, we're seeing an
increase over the past two years. We've seen about a
thirty five percent increase in demand at our two markets,
our Detailing market and our Liberty Street market, and then
our six hundred plus pantry that we serve in the

(31:26):
twenty counties served by the Free Star are letting us
know also that they're seeing increased demand. Typically, when kids
go back to school, we see the demand drop off
a little bit because eight out of ten kids are
eligible for free and reduced lunches, which is also going
to be impacted by this government shutdown as well. But
I think what we're seeing right now is that people

(31:47):
were living paycheck to paycheck during the pandemic, and that
continues because people have burned through those reserves, so they've
been relying on a freestore food bank and our sister
food banks across the country at a much higher level.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
So we've got literally tens of thousands here in Cincinnati
that are potentially losing food assistants coming up. How are
you guys at the freestore preparing for what could be
a massive influx of people who never used the food
bank before.

Speaker 7 (32:14):
Well, we've been reaching out to the federal employees, the
military families, the folks that have been impacted by the
furloughs and the layoffs, because we want to let them
know that we're available and we're there to help them
through this difficult, challenging time.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
We're looking right now as.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
To whether or not we're able to increase our food
distributions at least at our two markets, at our Betailor
Market and our Liberty Market to twice a month, typically
during the summer months, when the kids drop from school.
We allow our neighbors to come and shop twice a month,
and then during the school year we had them shop
once a month. But we're looking right now to see

(32:52):
whether or not we have the resources and the capacity
to allow them to come and shop twice a month
at least until the government shut down the resolved and
staff benefits we come to flow.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, so double the demand here and at least so
there's a capacity concerned here. Do you have enough food,
you have tech? Do you have enough volunteers and resources
to handle that?

Speaker 7 (33:12):
Well? The volunteers, obviously, we can always use more volunteers.
I encourage folks to go to Freestorefoodbank dot org and uh,
you know, volunteer on our volunteer button. But also as
far as reserves and resources we have, you know, we
we've acted very you know, frugally, We've been good storages
of the resource we've gotten in. We would always encourage

(33:34):
folks if they have the capacity to make the gifts now,
especially during these more challenging times for the families that
are serving, now would be an opportune time to do that.
But I think what we're looking at right now is
making sure that we're Unfortunately, we've been buying more food
than we have in the past because of supply chain
issues and the like. But I think what we're trying

(33:55):
to now is talk to our food service partners, the
grocery stores that are out there, the manufacturers that are
out there, and trying to say, if we're buying food
from you all, is there also some food that you
could donate as well. So we're trying to hit it
on all front, Scott, so you know we're there.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
For the families.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
But the reality is this is that nine out of
ten meals are provided by SNAFF Benefits and one out
of ten meals is provided by Freestore Food Bank our
sister food banks across the country. Just in Ohio, almost
one and a half million families receive individuals receive SNAFF benefits.
Forty five thousand of those are veterans, and sixty two

(34:35):
percent of them are our families with children. So we
know that it's going to be felt. Fifty percent of
the families that we serve, and we serve two hundred
and seventy five thousand of our neighbors that are food
and secure eighty two thousand wich your kids, so we
serve about half of those are receiving SNAFF benefits and
Most of the families that we serve are working, just

(34:56):
not making enough money to make ends meet when it
comes time to groceries, or paying the rent, or buying
medicine for the kids, or paying you know, buying food.
So those are the things that we've been confronted with
for years. But this community has really rallied behind us
over the year, Scott, and I know that they're going
to do that again.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Now, I'm sure you've also looked at it too. I mean,
you have to do a I guess, find out what
your breaking point is for lack of a better term, right,
I mean, how close are you to that? If you
start to add up all these numbers to go, how
are we going to sustain this? If we're now twice
a month, then we've increased demand, you know, thirty percent.
Is that sustainable for how long?

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Well?

Speaker 7 (35:36):
You know, the way we look at this is that
you know, we've prepared for, you know, to maintain reserves
for events like this. We've gone through some natural disasters
where we've partner with other food banks across the country.
We've rallied behind folks during the pandemic, during the Great Recession.
So Free Store is going to stand tall and be

(35:58):
there as well as our six hundred food pantries that
are across the twenty countside. Twenty County is served by
the free store. But at some point in time, we
will get to a point where, you know, if this
is a prolonged government shutdown, then more and more families
will be turning to a free store and our sister

(36:19):
food banks, and at that point in time we'll have
to assess the situation. But right now, we're not there.
Right now, we are in a situation where we have
resources and reserves to weather the storm on a on
a temporary basis. I would say if we go out
there another you know, you know, thirty days, then things
are going to have to get a little bit more tighter.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, as I've said a long you know, the first
few weeks, days and weeks of this, it's all political theater.
But as you get to that thirty day mark. And
that's why the longest shutdown, in the second longest and
longest one is thirty five days, because now that theater
becomes reality. In the case where you guys are at
Freestore Food Bank, Kurt Ryber, you're going to see the
families who serve hit the hardest and typically who gets

(37:03):
hurt in there when the SNAP benefits disappear disappear. What
kind of folks are we talking about here.

Speaker 7 (37:09):
We're talking about you've got you've got seniors, You've got
you know, military families.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (37:16):
Forty three percent of the SNAPPERS recipients in Ohio, our
older adults are disabled individuals, as I said, sixty two
percent are families with children. We have forty five thousand
volunteer or veterans I'm sorry to receive SNAP benefits in Ohio.
And that's that's just you know, those are the folks
that have given so much of their own lives to

(37:36):
this great country of ours, and now when we need
to help them during their challenging times, we need to
be there. And that's really what the free store is
going to be about. Uh you've mentioned Thanksgiving coming up.
Then you'll have a Christmas holidays and the December holidays
that are out there, uh, you know, and families will

(37:57):
be relying on freestore and much more profound way in
order to make ends meet. And Free Store in this
community has rallied behind these situations in the past. And
you know my challenge, right, now is to let people
know that they can make a difference by making a
donation of the Freestore Food Bank. Every dollar comes in

(38:17):
and we compriabe the equivalent of three meals and that's
really going a long ways towards helping to meet the
needs of these families that are struggling.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, it really is consider you to make a thoughtful
donation as well to the Freeestore New Food Bank now
more than ever because of what we're talking about here.
And you know, you mentioned the families that show up
and I'm sure there's some familiar faces there, but you're
going to see a whole bunch of people have never
needed help before. And on that too, how do you
reach people and help understand that food banks are there

(38:45):
for them. I mean, you're going to get a whole
new if this continues, a whole new bunch of people
showing up or people who may not know you exist
in the first place.

Speaker 7 (38:53):
Yeah, Scott, what we're doing is we're using all of
our social media outlets in order to do that, or
using folks like yourselves on seven hundred WLW to raise
awareness about the Free Store Food Bank. If people need assistance,
they can go to Freestore Foodbank dot Org and click
on to get help now, and they can find a
pantry that's close to them and be able to receive
that assistance that they need for The free store has

(39:15):
continued to rally behind the families that we've served in
the Tri State area, and we saw an uptick in
the number of food and secure families over the past
two years here. But I think what we're going to
try to do is we're going to try to look
at it and say, Okay, how can we make a difference.
And we do that through a couple of other things.
We also have wraparound support of services our Customer Connection Center,

(39:37):
so we provide rental assystems to utility assistance. We have
two wonderful workforce training programs we're getting folks back into
the workforce, and our culinary program Cincinnati Cooks. I left
the Tri State Logistics program. So there are things that
we're doing to stem the tide. But right now we
need people to support us so that we can support
those families that are truly in a dire situation.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Is this sustainable at this right? I mean, even if
a fraction we said forty two million people turn to
food banks across the country, including the Free Star Food
Bank where you're the CEO of kurt ryber Can, the
Charitable Food System, and I would include churches there as well.
Can we possibly fill that gap that's a lot of people.
We can't.

Speaker 7 (40:18):
We can't food bank our way out of the scott
and you've shared that with our elected officials both at
the state, federal, and local levels. We're working with folks
at Hamilton County to figure out what we can do
as far as reallocating some resources there. We're talking to
the folks of the city, but we're also talking to
our federal luckt officials as well and trying to say
through our government relations team at Feed in America, they're

(40:42):
continuing to let folks know that this is really impacting
families because they're quite honest with not doing their job
and getting a budget passed, and you know, having a
continued resolution passed its creatically important and right now is
more than ever for the families that we're serving.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Yeah, now, three weeks ago is okay, We're going to
shut some national parts and maybe not cut the grass.
Now now you're talking about not feeding people and that
that's the reality as this thing has gone from theater
to looming damage. I know, I think it was Virginia.
They declared a state of emergency and covered SNAP with
state funds. Says you mentioned local and federal. What's the

(41:21):
state's role in us. Have you reached out the governor.

Speaker 7 (41:22):
To Wane, Well, we reached out to the elected officials,
to our state associations. We have a Free State Association
that we're partners with and they are helping us, you know,
message those you know, the folks at the governor's office,
Governor Dwine, Governor Brasher, governor will come over in Indiana
and they're really helping you tell the story and tell

(41:47):
the impact. What you have to understand too, is that
for every dollar worth of SNAP benefits that come in
to our economy, that equates one to a dollar fifty
four in economic impact. So you know, we're not really
impacting just the families that were serving, but we're impacting
the retailers, the grocery stores, the folks that or have
hired a lot of people that will also be impacted

(42:10):
if this government continues to shut down.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Let's say in the next four or five days that
they finally are able to get this thing done in
open government back up, but even beyond November. If the
shutdown ends this week and benefits are restored, what's your
outlook for like the next six or twelve months, Kurt.

Speaker 7 (42:26):
Well, I think what we're going to see is where
you continue to see people that are that are struggling,
you know, living paycheck to paycheck. You know the inflationary pressures.
The stock market may be going up, but that's not
impacting the families that we're serving. So those economic benefits
they receive are pretty really important to really stem the tide.
Seventy percent of the families that we serve, the neighbors

(42:47):
that come into our markets are are working families. You're
just not making enough money to make ends meet when
a child gets sick, or car breaks down, or your
chili bills are out of site. I mean, if we
have a rough winter, people that decide do I pay
for my heat and electricity or door buy food. And
when they make that decision and they say I'm going

(43:07):
to pay for my electricity and my heat, which is
critically important, then they're going to come to our food
bank and our food pantries and really try to figure
out how they can leverage those resources as well, so
everything works in dependently on each other, and right now,
more than ever, we need as help.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, this is this isn't the old tired, stereotypical welfare
queen Wright King who just shows up and gets free
stuff from everybody who doesn't feel like they got to work.
You're talking about people working multiple jobs with the family
and trying to keep their head above water because the
cost inflation and everything has gone through the roof and
skyrocketed because of a number of factors. And now if
you cut off the benefits are getting the food benefits here,

(43:47):
people really starve.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Well.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
It's really critically important when you know, and I want
to encourage folks if they do need assistance, then you know,
please go to our website Prestore Foodbank dot org and
they can find help. Hear of them, they find a
pandry that's close to them. We have over six hundred
pantries that we support in twenty counties, about eighty percent
of our faith based. So we know that the faith
community is rallying behind this as well, and we know

(44:12):
that the families that we're serving, and we have one
hundred and forty amazing team members to work as a
free Store of Food Bank on the front lines of
hunger each and every day. We have over twelve thousand
volunteers that provide eighty two thousand dollars a volunteer service
war US. So this community has rallied behind the Free
Store Food Bank. We know they will do that again
and we just encourage folks to help us get through

(44:34):
this time.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Talent, treasure, right, the three big things. And you can
give one or maybe all of those in these efforts.
And maybe you need want to volunteer, don't have money
to give you, but you have time, certainly go and volunteer.
Go to Freestorefoodbank dot org. If you have money and
you want to give, please do that because they're going
to need to fill this void if indeed we get

(44:55):
to Saturday and forty two million low income people don't
get their Snap benefits. And we're talking about food here.
We're not talking about anything else but just basic human
sustenance at this point. So Kurt Ryber, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (45:06):
One thing I would point out to Scott is that
a lot of folks who have been asking questions about
their Snap benefits that are already on their Snap cards,
those benefits will be available and usable after this, you know,
after this November first deadline. So if you have Snap
benefits that are continuing to stay on your card, you
can still use those as the retailers that you frequent

(45:26):
until those are spent.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Important point to the Snap benefit card itself. You have
the credit on there, you're just not getting any new credit.

Speaker 6 (45:34):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, as of Saturday anyway, Well, hopefully cool er health
will prevailed. They'll come to a conclusion here and wrap
this nonsense up because now you're really impacting people's lives.
Kurt ryber at the Free Star of Food Bank. God
bless you man. Thanks for what you do. We'll get
the word out, try to get some volunteers, get you
some money too, to maybe stem the tide here. Thanks
so much, Scott, I appreciate you. Take care. Thanks so much. Yeah,

(45:56):
it's the sad reality of it that, you know, if
you're political junkie and you're into this thing, and you
you know you want your side to hold out, Democrats
want their side to hold out, Republicans on weather side.
The reality is there are people, real people who are
getting caught up in the middle of thist kids, working families,
especially seniors, veterans. How is government serving them? How's government

(46:16):
serving us? This is self serving, is what this is.
It's politics over people. Right now. You could be, you know,
the strongest conservative in the world, Christian conservative all while
and good. You can't look at this and hear about
people who are working two three jobs. They've got kids,
you've got seniors, you've got veterans who are falling between
the cracks and not be compassionate about that.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
And I am.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
I understand how dire the straits are for a country,
our future and our tremendous national debt that's growing by
the second. But this doesn't help that. This doesn't help
people because you got to live for today. And the
nonsense of shutting things down when they could be sitting
and talking and negotiating, actually working for the people and
not against them. I think should stand above all that.
Scott's Loan Show seven hundred do all. Everyone needs help

(47:01):
every now and then, and she'asier to help us get
our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday with mental
health expert Julie Headtershire. All right, the weekend two work
week transition sucks. It just sucks. It sucks worse when
the Bengals lose like they did, because then you just
wake up mad. I just stay in bed. Oh you
know what, just take the week off to the next game.

(47:22):
That's how I feel. Julie Hatters here, Welcome to the show.
How are you?

Speaker 6 (47:26):
Hello? I'm good. How are you?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
There's no greater Bengal or NFL fan than you. I know,
and I know how hard you take a loss of true.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Yes, I didn't even know they played yesterday, much less.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Less I know because you She'll text me like during
the game, going what we should talk about this tomorrow?
Charl getting a sold But the rest of the world's
watching football. You have no idea what's going no idea.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
No, I had no idea, not a clue. You are right.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
You're the person who's out there, like Super Bowl Sunday.
She's the one. She's shopping, she's at the store, she's
doing anything. Why is everything? Why is there no one
out today? This is stupid.

Speaker 8 (48:00):
No, I at least know about Super Bowl Sunday. I
mean that's a big deal.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
That's a big deal. That is a big deal. It
is so hard. And the reason why we do this
segment of Metal Health Monday is because Monday is the
worst day of the week for most people, but especially
between you know what's going on inside that little head
of your So transitioning from the weekend, it starts on Friday.
You're in weekend mode. Maybe you work out of the
house so it's even a little more lax, or maybe
you get off a little early and hey, I got Friday,
I got Saturday. Sunday comes along. I know people that

(48:26):
party right up until about ten o'clock Sunday night, and
then Monday comes along and they're like, ah, it's all
coming at me at the same time. Here is there
a way to mentally ease that transition a little bit better?

Speaker 5 (48:38):
Well, I think there are several things we can do.

Speaker 8 (48:41):
But I think one of the things that gets lost
in the conversation about starting your work week, And as
I was sort of prepping for this talk this show,
I noticed this is that when we go to work
versus on the weekend, it's not just shifting what we do,
but to some degree, it's shifting we are. We are
most of us different people at work than we are

(49:03):
on the weekends, and so for a lot of us,
that identity shift is a really hard thing, going from
who you have to be at home with your family
or in your life on the weekend to going into
work on Monday and being the productive or we hope
productive worker that you are in. Whatever job you do

(49:24):
requires not just doing different things, but being a different person.
And for some of us, we don't like the person
we are at work as much as we like the
person we are at home. So sometimes I think that
gets lost in the conversation. And I think that's an
important thing to recognize, is that it requires an identity
shift that sometimes we don't enjoy very much.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Okay, because you got to put your workface onus what
you're saying and be some like, for example, you've got
to go out and you know, if you're in sales,
you got to go well be a salesperson. Either that's
a tough job or it's like wow, physical abor, I'm
still sore from Friday. I got to get back and
put back to work here.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
Yes, And I know I've worked with people in sales
over the course of my career and many of them
are actually introverted, and so to go out and be
in a sales position, customer facing, knocking on doors literally
sometimes knocking on doctor's offices doors to bring them lunch
is difficult for them, and they have to sort of

(50:22):
energize and gear up and kind of rev themselves up.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
And put themselves into sort of a.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
Slightly altered identity in order to do that, and then
they get to sort of go back to who they
actually are on the weekend. So for a lot of people,
becoming that worker on Monday is difficult. It's not just
about going to work, it's who you have to be
when you're there.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, yeah, okay, putting that face on. Okay, I get
that whole thing. Yeah all right, So all right, I
got to make that When should that transition start?

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Well, I think people need to start doing that Sunday evening.
I think the most.

Speaker 8 (50:55):
Successful productive people that I've worked with have sort of
a Sunday evening route where they sort of gear down
from the weekend and start to transition into before they
go to bed on Sunday night, start to transition into
two Monday mode. That doesn't necessarily mean looking at their calendars,
that doesn't necessarily mean.

Speaker 5 (51:15):
Diving back in.

Speaker 8 (51:16):
That means sort of, for many of them, setting an
intention of what do I need to do this week?
What are my big projects. What are my big goals
and who do I need to be in order to
accomplish them? And how can I set myself up for
success tonight so that tomorrow morning I hit the ground
running and I'm able to get done what I need

(51:36):
to get done. So it's sort of a larger goal
intention setting kind of shift than it is looking at
what you have first thing Monday morning on your calendar.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Kind of Okay, yeah, I guess, but that feels like
you're demand's cheating out of hours on your weekend again.
You know, wait a minute, I never got to get
my game face on. It's still Sunday. It's till my day. Man,
Come on, it's the Lord's day.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
What do we doing?

Speaker 6 (51:59):
No? I get that.

Speaker 8 (52:00):
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And so a way to
think about that is how to protect enough of who
I am and my identity and my life by making
the shift as seamless and the transition as easy as possible,
versus that jarring the alarm goes off and you're like, oh, shoot,

(52:21):
now it's Monday.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
Now what am I going to do?

Speaker 8 (52:23):
So optimizing it for you, not optimizing it for your employer.
How can I make my Monday morning go better for me,
for my partner, for my family if I have one
at home. How can I ease this transition for myself?
Not how can I start working on Sunday night when
they're not paying me till Monday morning.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
It's a different it's a different way of looking at it, Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
All right, just a different Julie Hendershare here, a licensed
mental health therapist on this mental health Monday here on
seven hundred WW Scott's Loan show. The weekend work week transition.
It is a tough shift and over the course of
a few hours, because you could also do a little
bit like like for me, you know, I'll pull behind
a curtain, like after the show, I'll get all stuff
lined up for the week ahead, kind of cut through

(53:07):
some old email and kind of wrap things up for
the week, and then look ahead and lay some stuff out,
and then a little bit on Saturday and a little
bit on Sunday and I just kind of spread it
out over the weekend. When I'm up having my coffee,
like I had a little time I'm waking up anyway,
it's a good time before all the cob webs start
to come back into my head to get all that
stuff out of the way.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Great.

Speaker 8 (53:26):
I was wondering what productivity things you do, because I
know that you stay on top of what's going on
in the world and in the news every day, whether
you're working or not, whether you have a show coming
up or not.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
I know that you do that.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
But I also know that you.

Speaker 8 (53:39):
Don't let that run your life, that that's not how
you organize the rest of your life. And so I
was wondering what kind of productivity and work life balance
kinds of things you utilize.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
I just try to do it little pieces. You know,
obviously during the week is busier, but I notice if
I if I'm out of town or something and come
back and on Sunday or something, it's like, oh my
God's chaos. Because but you know, there are little times
you can slip away even on you know, if you're
out of town or doing something else, like okay, I
just need to you know, get half hour forty minutes
and kind of run through some stuff, line some stuff

(54:12):
up because you're always thinking ahead, but just doing the
little nuggets when you're staying around no typically instead of
you know, doom scrolling social media. If you took a
half hour forty minutes just to kind of do that.
It seems like it's it's just not so I don't know,
you know, like Sunday comes are like, oh my god,
I get get ready for Monday. You know how people are.
It's like if you do a little bit, I think
each day, I mean, just could could be twenty minutes,

(54:34):
half hour, it seems to make that Sunday and then
the Monday transition a lot better, at least that for me. Anyway.

Speaker 8 (54:40):
Yes, yes, I have had clients who are military and firefighters,
and one of the things that they've all said to
me is if you stay ready, you don't have to
get ready. If you stay on top of it, it's
not such a big deal to jump into it. So
if you stay ready, you don't have to get ready.
And so those people who have jobs that allow or
require some level of readiness in that way spending a

(55:02):
little time.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
On the weekend just kind of staying on top of things.
So like you, over the weekend, I will do a
little work. One of the things I will do is
read my.

Speaker 8 (55:10):
Note from the last session for the people I have
coming up in the week, just so I kind of
have a sense of how.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Difficult or easy my week with clients is going to be.

Speaker 8 (55:21):
If I knew we had a rough session with five
clients and I'm seeing all five this week, well, okay,
that's going to be kind of a heavy week. If
I know things are going pretty smoothly for some of them,
then I have an idea of energetically what my week
is going to look like. So I just kind of
get a sense of that, so I know what I'm
heading into on Monday.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
Like you, I kind of stay on it.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
Yeah, just a task size it, right. What about the
element of you know, worktime's work time typically you know
you're dialing your focus like that too, But what about weekend?
Should we because man, it's so easy for all this
stuff to start bleeding over to the weekend too. I
think you got to put boundaries up, right, Oh.

Speaker 8 (55:54):
I think you have to put boundaries and protect your
off time as much as is humanly possible. I think
you have to protect your off time. So for example,
I read my notes from I don't read my notes
from all my sessions, just for the ones I'm seeing
for the next week, and I only give myself like
twenty or thirty minutes tops to do that and then
I put it away and then I'm done. But you
need to protect that time. But then when you're in

(56:16):
your workflow, you need it's really important for most people
to have blocks of time where they can actually do
deep work, where they can actually do the work that
they're getting paid to do, instead of being interrupted by
meetings or chit tech conversations at the office or email.
So you know, turn off all your devices if you
can protect chunks of time.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Because there's a guy named Pareto pa r Eto. He's
a business EA.

Speaker 8 (56:41):
Kind of guy, and he says he's got this eighty
twenty principle that says twenty percent of our actions account
for eighty percent of our successful outcomes. So twenty percent
of what we do, generally speaking, accounts for eighty percent
of our successful outcomes.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
And the rest of what we do is.

Speaker 8 (56:59):
Extreme and perhaps unnecessary or certainly not as crucial as
that twenty percent. So for everybody, if you can start
looking at identifying what are the things that I do
in my workday that give me the best outcomes and
the most good outcomes, let me focus my attention on
those at the start of the week, to the degree

(57:21):
that I can to set myself up for a successful
week the rest of the week, because part of sometimes
what happens is you hit the ground in chaos on Monday,
you play catch up on Tuesday or Wednesday. Now you're
actually getting into the work that you need to do
on Thursday and Friday, and then it's the weekend and
you abruptly stop. So if you frontload the success in

(57:42):
the week, then by Friday you're tying up loose ends,
you're managing a few last minute things, and then you're
off for the weekend, and it's an easier transition into
the weekend and then an easier transition back into Monday.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah okay, Yeah, you're doing it in little bits and
pieces supposed all once. That makes a lot of sense,
and you've got to be consistent with it too. I
think that's the other important thing. Just turned in new
habit is what you're saying.

Speaker 8 (58:08):
Yeah, habitually set up a workflow that makes sense for you.
I know you and I've had a previous conversation about
what time of day people are at their most productive,
and it's different for everyone. So also, what day of
the week are people most productive and I think that
if you can find a large chunk of your productivity
early in your week, then you can relax the end

(58:30):
of your week, ease into your weekend, and the Sunday
to Monday transition doesn't feel quite so abrupt because it
wasn't abrupt Friday into Saturday.

Speaker 5 (58:38):
So it kind of creates a flow that makes sense.

Speaker 8 (58:40):
I think for many people, and many of us have
the capacity to make those kinds of changes in the
way that we work.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
All right, Julie Harris, you're talking about transition from a
weekend to work week. That's all well and good. What
if you really hate what you do. What if you'd
like just absolutely get fearful and sick that you've got
to go back to work on money? I know people
like that.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
Oh, there are a lot of people like that, and
that's why you have Julie Bee on every week to.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
Talk about your stuff.

Speaker 8 (59:06):
But then I think can become not so much focusing
on what you do and whether you like it or not,
but what what you do allows you to do, be
and have in the rest of your life. I know
a lot of people who really dislike their jobs but
really love the life that the money or the job
itself allows them to have. So I know people who

(59:29):
travel for work a lot, and they don't really like
traveling for work, but they love the miles that they
rack up.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
They love the ability to.

Speaker 8 (59:36):
Maybe tack a day on on one end or the
other and see a part of the country or the
world they've never seen before. They love the opportunity to
meet new people. They don't like it being away from
home or their family, but they like the opportunities that
that offers them. So focus on either if there are
aspects of your job that are less awful, focus on those,

(59:56):
but also what does your job allow you to be,
or do or have that you couldn't be or do
or have if you didn't do it, And look at
it more as a means to an end than the
end in itself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Which is more important. That's why it's so important to
have outside work time too, so you can compartmentalize, you know,
and hey, look, if your work you focus on what
you're doing when you're not there, and especially if what
you're doing when you're not at your job maybe I
don't know, maybe you have a side hustle too or something,
and you think about parlaying that into your full time job.

Speaker 6 (01:00:27):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:00:28):
Yes, side hustles are great because they can people with
an exit strategy at work if they hate what they're doing.
People with an exit strategy generally feel better than people
who have no exit strategy, either because they haven't created
one or they don't believe that they could access one.
So if your side hustle is going to be your
full time hustle at some point in time, working on
that on your off hours can help make the work

(01:00:50):
you're doing more tolerable, the job that you don't like
more tolerable.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. And then, man,
when you how do you do that on a vacation?
Though it's one thing to say, hey, here's your pattern
for the weekend, but you take a week off. Should
you be doing a little bit each day? Do you
wait till last? How does that? Because it sucks you
get on vacation and then you have an avalanche of email.
For example, when we went to our little Australia to

(01:01:14):
our big Australia trip for two weeks, it took me
a good week and a half to respond to emails
because literally I had like a thous one thousand emails
waiting for me after two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
So yes.

Speaker 8 (01:01:26):
So I think it's really important for people to protect
vacation time. And I think it's really important to the
degree that you possibly can, to let people know that
you will not be responding while you're on vacation, that
you will take some time to respond when you get back,
because you will probably have an avalanche of projects and
people and emails and phone calls and things to get

(01:01:48):
back to immediately, and that you will get to them
just as quickly as you can. But if it's super
duper important, they should pin you again when they know
you're going to be back in the office to move
it to the top of your proority list. So I
think setting the expectation ahead of time and holding fast
to that, because you can say I'm unplugged, but then

(01:02:08):
if you an answer an email or two, well, now
people know you're not really unplugged. So if you intend
to be set that expectation and hold fast to it,
and then if you can, when you can, create a
transition day for yourself if possible, So instead of coming
back in late on Sunday night and starting work on Monday,
maybe come back in on Saturday and having Sunday to

(01:02:29):
transition back and get back into the work week on Monday,
or maybe take that Monday off as well and start
your work week on Tuesday. But set yourself a transition
time to get everything cleaned up from the vacation, unpacked,
put away and start working your way back into your
work week and give.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Yourself that buffer.

Speaker 8 (01:02:47):
Just plan that into your schedule if you possibly can.
Can make a huge difference for how you re enter
the work life after you've been on vacation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Okay, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. She's Julie Hatters,
your licensed mental health there pissed at bconnected dot care.
If you want to reach out to her, it's hey,
Julie at the letter be connected at dot care. She
practices Clifton and right here in the Cincinnati. It's mental
health Monday. Good stuff as we transition. Probably should have
had you on Friday to get ready a little late now,

(01:03:16):
isn't that we're back at work?

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
Hi, You can start. You can start tonight for tomorrow.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
Just pretend you've got a Tuesday start of the week.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Getting the groove. You gotta get in the groove right grind.
I just think you probably don't have a good twenty
thirty more years of this work and stuff. Just think
what's in front of you. It's incredible. All the best,
have a great week. Appreciate you, Thanks you too. All right,
let's get a news updata in just about five minutes
away here on seven hundred WLW. Much has been made
of the fiscal impact of immigration, and the folks at
Manhattan Institute have analyzed ten and twenty and thirty years

(01:03:47):
of government data and all the programs we had in immigration,
What we get right, what we get wrong? In the
eye opening conclusion and maybe not as eye opening, is
a fact that immigrants with advanced degrees tend to be
a huge boon to our economy, whereas those who come
in without such education tend to be a drain. But
it also has to do with eight what age you

(01:04:08):
immigrate to this country. It's an interesting outlook on things
and would actually restore tens of millions of dollars to
the bottom line, meaning reducing our deficit if we followed
this plan. Really interesting stuff with Daniel de Martinez. He's
next on the Scott Flown Show on seven hundred WW
Cincinnati boone dot com seven hundred WLW. The immigration fights

(01:04:29):
that were kneedeep into lots of fights including immigration get
illegals out keep the legal ten But who out of
that long line gets in who stays maybe a better
question of who is rather than maybe how many and
should the US admit them through reform and immigration system?
Who should get in at this point? So the Manhattan
Institute of their think tank, and they studied a ten

(01:04:51):
and thirty year impacts of dozens of our nation's immigration
policies over the years and categorize immigrants on tax revenue,
federal spending GDP, population, and who gives us a benefit
in who takes away? With the answers Daniel Di Martino
of the Manhattan and Suit where he's a fellow, Daniel,
welcome to show. How are you very good?

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
So you find that if you're younger and you're educated,
you have an advanced degree, those people generate large fiscal surpluses.
They expand the economy. If you're low skilled, you tend
to get more benefits than they contribute in taxes. That
is the bottom line. And there's some other things we're
going to get into here, but essentially that's the core
of this thing that's really not surprising, is it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:33):
It is not because we have a progressive tax system
and we have a welfare system that gives benefits to
people based on how little they make. Right, So if
you bring in a lot of four people or elderly
people that will receive entitlements, then those people will be
a next cost to the federal government.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
That's a no brainer.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
So why does the college degree make such a vast
efforts And we're talking millions of dollars in that one
person's financial impact and of course the lodge. What's driving that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Yeah, a lot of people tell.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
Me, but you know, a college degree is and all
you need. I'm like, of course, these are all averages.
This doesn't mean that there are are immigrants for high
school dropouts that do better, right. There are many college
dropouts that create a big company, But that doesn't mean
that that's the most common case.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
And you also have to understand that for immigrants, college
degrees mean much more than for native born Americans. A
college degree in a foreign country is a much rarer
thing to have than in America. And so when you
bring in people discriminating by education instead of anything else,
you can assure yourself that that person comes from a

(01:06:41):
much more elite background.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
But at the same time, you know, we have countless
people who have college degrees that complain they can't find
a job in their chosen field and they have a
degree and go, Okay, great, I can't service the loan
that I took out to get that degree, and I'm
doing something I don't want to do, and I never
see myself getting ahead. And yet immigrants come to this
country and touched and contribute to the GDP. Is it
about degree choice? Are we talking about specific degrees here

(01:07:05):
and not just a degree?

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
Well, it's true that immigrants do you specialize like the
immigrants that are sponsored to come in fields that are
even more highly paid, so like medicine, stam areas. And
also they just have an even an.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Even higher education and go to different universities.

Speaker 6 (01:07:22):
Right, So you know, people talk about like people who
graduate from the US University's Americans who get it a
STEM degree, but it's an underground degree, you know, that
counts biology, that counts like a regular engineering degree, and
you're competing against people who have a master's degree or
a PhD.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I mean, obviously you can't get the job that you want.

Speaker 6 (01:07:44):
And then you also have the other fact, which is
immigrant start businesses, so they expand the economy that way,
the average immigrant does not look like the average person
in that country. And then there's a lot of people
who tell me, well, but we want to keep those
jobs for Americans, right like, we don't want them to

(01:08:04):
replace the native born college graduates or seeking opportunities, and
that's that's just not how the labor market works. Well,
you have more people in the labor market, you don't
have the same number of jobs.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
There are relative wage effects.

Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
That is true, but because immigrants also at the highly
educated level, you know, people like you at Musk who
came on a twenty visis or people like Gens and Huang,
they end up also increasing productivity and wages for people
who are college educated.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Dan, you found that a fifty year old immigrant looks
great for the budget in year ten, so they immigrant
by the time mistic okay, thanks are great to productive,
but by year thirty, it's terrible. Child immigrant the exact opposite.
It tends to be a net gain for this country.
So in that regard, shouldn't we be encouraging things like
doc and can you walk can you walk through us? Well,
why that that flip happens?

Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
Yeah, So I these estimates on a ten and thirty
year basis before I have done them last year on
a lifetime basis. And the reason I switched to ten
in thirty years is because of Congress. When they pass legislation,
the Congressional Budget Office only cares about the ten year
budget window and then secondarily about the thirty year budget window.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
So when they're.

Speaker 6 (01:09:18):
Decided to pat legislation, they need this estimate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Like I made it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
And so that's a problem though, because you're right, a
fifty year old limigrant on an average will look good
over the next ten years because it's going to be
from the age of fifty to age of sixty, and
an immigrant who is ten years old, a child that
comes with a family is going to look bad because
it's not when I work from age ten to twenty.
So that shifts over the third year window.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Because then the older immigrant is going to.

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
Collect security and Medicare and the young.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Emion is going to start working.

Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
So people need to keep that in mind and understand
these are averages and if you want to benefit the
budget in the long run, you need younger people, and
you need more educated people.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Got to Dande d Martina Manhattan Institute breaking a study
here of ten and thirty year impacts of immigration, and
the bottom line is that education drives fiscal impact, but
age matters a lot too. That young immigrants look costly
in the short term but benefits in the long term.
Middle aged immigrants show the opposite because they get the
retirement benefits. And that's the flip that's going on here.

(01:10:23):
Let me pivot to the H one visa debate that
has become pretty controversial right with wanting to charge money
and charging literally a small fortune to get that H
one B. Some say it's essential or they say, well,
we should just eliminate this thing. What is your data show, well, the.

Speaker 6 (01:10:41):
H one B regardless of what people think that based
on the characteristics of the people who come on H
one bs, they are the ones that pay the most
taxes and receive the least government benefits of any of
these categories. And so if you are a conservative and
you are like like myself, I think you know what
kind of the immigrant do you want to come to America?

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Do you want an immigrant.

Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
Who does not depend on the government, who speaks English,
who have a job, who there's no coming crimes, and
who you know, adopts American costumes. And if that's the case,
then immigrants to commin H one with visas or any
deal immigrant. That doesn't mean that it's a perfect system, right,
it's a lottery, So you don't want to distribute the
spots on a lottery but instead based on perhaps something

(01:11:24):
more meritorious. But even then, the system is better than
any other visa program that we have.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
On I see a lot of communities are changing because
of H one B workers and they bring a tremendous
amount of money to the show. Now the other side
of this, and someone casual listening, go, okay, you got
this guy from Manhattan, Daniel de Martine, who wants educated
people with advanced degrees because they bring a small fortune
and massive fortune, and even small fortune to the country
could help balance the deficit and do all these wonderful things.

(01:11:55):
They don't drain the system, and they're paying the taxes
and that's helping older people, and that's all well and good.
But does this simply mean that we don't need anyone
who's not educated in America. We don't need that immigrant
labor that we don't need people at the low end
of the trunk.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
Well, America has a program called the H two A
and the H TWOVVSA programs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
The H two A is seasonal agricultural layer.

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
Now, even though those are on you know, people who
generally don't have a high school diploma, they're working in
farms for low wages. The reality is that we didn't
have them, the farms would shut down. It would be
too expensive to farm in America. We would just import
the food from other countries. But we cannot import everything,
like we cannot import a hair card because you have

(01:12:40):
to do it in person, but we can import.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Every agricultural product. So the advantage is that.

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
Yes, you keep that industry here, you create jobs for
Americans and agriculture as well. And then the second it's seasonal,
So these immigrants never stay. They leave after a season
or two, and so they never collect government benefits. That
is okay to have, well, you cannot have. It's allowing
people who make very little money to immigranate permanently to

(01:13:09):
the United States because if they do, the mass is
that they will simply lower debt.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
They will I get the agriculture element because that's a
national security issue. We can't farm out all of our food.
We could be starved to death, right and quite honestly,
it'd be a waste because of we're the world's bread
basket here in the United States of America, produce lot
of corn, soybeing, et cetera, et cetera. But on the
regard that there's jobs that aren't in the farm fields,
whatsoever that are Americans is going to fill that void.

(01:13:38):
I mean working in a I don't know, a meat
processing plant for example, or something along those lines. Where's
physical labor building houses work, doing roof jobs, and construction
and drywall and landscaping. Those are necessary jobs. It's seemingly
and I know a little bit about this immigrant labor,
if you completely got rid of that, it ceased to exist.
I get that they you know, they live here, but

(01:14:00):
they and a lot of them go and start their
own business too. There's got to be a carve out
for that, right because, let's face it, there are jobs
out there we don't want our kids to take well.

Speaker 6 (01:14:11):
So the thing is that wages would change, even in agriculture,
would change if you didn't have immigrant workers. The wages
would increase. The problem is that for them cultural industry,
it would just end the industry, right that we would
just import the food. But that's not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
And the same thing first for.

Speaker 6 (01:14:26):
Example tech, if we didn't have highly educated workers, what
the tech industry is that they opened an office in
Canada and then they do everything from there because everything's remote.
So you would rather have those resources here. But the
issue with other things like construction is that you would
still have construction, it would just be a higher price
that Even then, most of the cost of housing has

(01:14:48):
nothing to do with construction and everything to do with materials,
So you know, the tiers are harming or sony laws
which we can change, so we don't really need or
it wouldn't really be beneficial to have a lot of immigrants,
low paid coming for construction because they will receive with
just a lot of welfare.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Alternatively, you could still.

Speaker 6 (01:15:09):
Have a guest worker program that is seasonal, ensuring that
people go back and never stay permanently in collect entitlements.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Daniel de Martinoz Manhattan Institute on Immigration. This morning on
seven hundred WLW SO we talked about younger educated immigrants
and advanced degrees a huge boonda the economy we need
more of them employment based high skilled visa holders not
benefit there as well. What about extended family, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
The extended relatives, which are most of the immigrants coming
to America. They come with very little English proficiency, you know,
medium to low levels of education, and they end up
receiving more government benefits than taxes they pay. This is
why my proposal to how we should change the imigration
system is simply we take in all these extended relative

(01:15:59):
pieces and we just give them out based on whether
immigrants have a good English, whether they have a good education,
whether they're young, whether they have a job offer in
the United States, and then that's how the labor market
comes through the gap, you know, without picking winners and losers.
And then the employment based business that we already have,

(01:16:22):
we just rank them to the highest paid instead, without
care of the profession.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
You know, it's not about education, it's about who pays
the most.

Speaker 6 (01:16:30):
If you are sponsoring a carpenter who's like incredible and
he's getting paid one hundred and fifty K, then.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Bring in the carpenter, Right. That's the market showing its
signals through the price.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Yeah, that makes sense. When the family comes along, it's
different but how many immigrants will that dissuade from coming
to the United States if they can't bring their their wife,
their kids, significant others, one.

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
Of your mom or I'm not saying anything about wife
and children. I'm just saying, eliminate the sibling category, the
adult children category, who together they bring in one hundred
and thirty one thousand people. You might say, well, now,
but people want to bring in their siblings or they
are adults, children, the relatives that they can't anymore anyway,

(01:17:13):
because the system, the family system already existing, is so
backlog that it takes twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
It is the same of it didn't exist. We need
to get rid of it and give.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
It based from marriage instead. In fact, you seem more
fair because if you're an imagiger living in Sao the
Philippines and you don't have a relative in the US,
when you're out of lack, you can't come. And no
matter how educated you get, no matter how great you are,
under a system based on your characteristics, you are not
dependent on the law of how in a relative in

(01:17:41):
America you come to a man and am of that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
You mentioned the backlog, the tremendous backlog, which encourages illegal
immigration here. I mean, if you have to wait twenty
years fifteen twenty years for your case of here and
possibly get at that point, why would you if you're
coming from such an impoverished and most dangerous part of
the world. I take my chances and slip across the border,
fire them. It's a matter between life and death. Who's

(01:18:04):
got fifteen twenty years to wait for your allowed to
come to the United States of America. This would cut
that down.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I would think, yes, I think I would use the incentive.

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
But at the same time, we have learned that if
the president wants to, they can secure the border, and
President Trump has so that's also not necessarily as important.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Clearly, Yeah, we've got a government that can't function. I
mean we're not functioning right now as we speak. As
you know, Danielle, what's the political feasibility of this thing?
You have to do some tremendous coalition building just to
have someone hear this whole thing between family visa cuts
and legalization with fees and deportations and all that stuff.

(01:18:45):
It's a messy proposition. In reality, politics doesn't work that way.

Speaker 6 (01:18:49):
So absolutely, I'll say President Trump, with the funding that
he got from the one big beautiful bill for deportations
and all that's drunk enough, and hopefully, you know, soon
we will know that the legality of the DAKA program
from the Supreme courts. I think those two factors combined
the fact that we already get done with the tax
cuts and the spending debates and instead now it's probably

(01:19:11):
going to go to another topic. Then that topif by
the immigration. I think Trump has built leverage with the
funding he got for the deportations, And if the Democrats
were smart, they would come to the negotiating table, right,
because you need sixty votes in the Senate to pass
anything that's not budget related. So if the Democrats say,
you know, we negotiate, we can legalize some people. Yes,

(01:19:34):
the school will reduce family immigration, and we will bring
in more high school immigrants. But if they don't negotiate,
then maybe a million more people than deported. So we
will know how much they really care about that very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Data d martinuz analyze this. You looked at ten and
thirty year impacts of literally dozens of immigration policy US
has had and categorizing the immigrants on tax revenue and
population GDP, federal spending, and all that, if this were
to come to fruition and we did it the way
you suggest here, what are we looking at as far
as a savings relative to the national debt?

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
Yeah, so under my plan, which would just shift immigrant
visas to ors more highly educated categories with a change
nammaging to flow very much, actually reducing it a little bit,
and then legalizing the people who are here legally as
long as they pay without a fiveway to citizenship, but
allowing them to work in state as long as they
pay five thousand dollars a year for ten years of

(01:20:28):
fifty k to reduce the debt, and they obviously they.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Are not criminals.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
All that that will reduce the national debt from its
current prijec story by twenty trillion dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Over thirty years.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
It will reduce or essentially over the long run, it
would even stabilize or debt to gdpuration. That is important
because it means we don't to cut.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Some security or raise access. We pursue radical immigration reform
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Yeah. And the other element here too, of course, is
unauthorized legal immigrants. But you're saying charging five thousand dollars
a year for X number of years, and that would
reduce the debt and they're burden on the system. But
how realistic is that to actually.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Execute the people who don't pay it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
Then they are the sign targets for deportation because it
means that they're not willing to pay it under stewer
of them, so they're much easier to report.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Very interesting, and that literally would take her. It's of course,
you know, then we're back to the political question because
Democrats had scream about fairness and these people don't have
much already and they can't afford five thousand dollars and
to shake down. But you know, at the end of
the day, we're all paying for this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Daniel de Martine.

Speaker 6 (01:21:39):
Yeah, America should not supposed to be the welfare state
of the world.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Right if you do not sustand yourself, I'm paid it
after you broke the law.

Speaker 6 (01:21:48):
It seems like a really reasonable penalty that would benefit
the nation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Seems like five grand to make this go away. Isn't
that big an ask? I'll be honest with you, Daniel
de Martino at the Manhattan Institute, thanks so much to
the time. Really interesting, thank you. Yeah, I mean the
program makes sense, but then you're gonna have the fields right, Well,
you can't, you can't, Chary, you can't these people already,
Oh my god, somebody's got to stand up for the
And then, of course, you know, the thing stagnate, it
gets water down, and what sounds like a pretty decent

(01:22:14):
plan winds up while costing his money. That's the way
government works. Scott's Loan Show with news in four minutes
here seven hundred WLW Radio. But embarrassing a game you
had well in hand against the winless team at pay
Courts Stadium bends up thirty one sixteen and can't put
it away, gave up what twenty three twenty in the

(01:22:34):
fourth quarter thirty nine points to A guy was benched
by the worst team in football, justin Fields twenty one
thirty two, two hundred and forty four yards a TD
and no interceptions and coming off two games, by the way,
with a quarterback rating under sixty, so bad that his
owner demanded him to be benched, and he was until
Tyrod Taylor got hurt. And now you've got Justin fieldsen

(01:22:56):
Now he looks like every bit the guy that thought
he was when they got him. No Garrett Wilson, no
Josh Reynolds, one guy essentially on offense running the football,
beat the Bengals yesterday thirty nine, thirty eight. The Bengals
fall to three and five with Chicago on the schedule next.
James or Penis here from SIS Bengals Talk dot com

(01:23:17):
and the Daily Lockdown Bengals podcast. James, your head has
to be reeling this morning.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, Scott, and I still
even now what it at sixteen hours or whatever it
is removed. I cannot believe they lost that game. And
they had a fifteen point lead in the fourth quarter,
a fourteen point lead in the fourth quarter, five different

(01:23:44):
times they had a double digit lead in that game.
And yet we are talking about a three and five
team and a one in five team without Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
I remember when the Bengals back in twenty eighteen, they
lost like fifty one fourteen to the Saints, and they
got last time they got smoked in twenty ten by
the Jets was thirty seven nothing. I thought, okay, that
forty seven to ten loss against Minnesota just a couple
of weeks ago, I thought that is that this is
up there with one of the worst in Bengals sister.

(01:24:15):
I mean, think about this from a team that said
really really really low lows. Where in your mind, James
Rapene does this lost rank yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Well, this could very well end up being the worst
loss of the Zach Taylor era outside of you know,
the Super Bowl from a meaning standpoint, but when this
could do to this season and what would have happened
if they had won it versus what they could go

(01:24:43):
down in the past, they could go down now like
this is this is one of those games where you're like, oh, well,
I wonder, I wonder what the twenty twenty five Bengals
would be like if they had won that game against
the Tests, right, and instead they go on to win
four games total, and they win one more game the
rest of the way. Like I'm not saying that's going
to happen, and I think there's enough talent, certainly on offense,

(01:25:05):
but like, that's how it feels today, That's how it
felt after the games and Jamar Chase is saying, ask Zach,
and that's a question for Zach, and it just it
felt like that was a big, big moment. So I
think historically at a huge game huge loss because of
what it could mean moving forward.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Yeah, you mentioned the Super Bowl lost the Rams, but
that was the blanket. I'm literally a quarter of a
second he completes the ball, and it's a different story.
The Bengals win the Super Bowl. We're that close. Bengals
are that close. This is the exact opposite that. This
was what a demoralizing defeat to come back to put
it up by that much and then lose the lead
so many times and then at the end get beat

(01:25:45):
essentially on a half back pass. Who's this on? Who
do you blame? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Yeah, that that is going to be something. There's layers
to it, and you know, you can certainly start with
the front office, but thinking that they should run it
back with the defense that's been as bad as the
defense was last year, and so for them to run
it back and do basically what they did is they

(01:26:13):
changed a few of the coaches, obviously defensive coordinator out
of Golden and then they said, oh, well, you know,
we'll get a nose tackle in here. What they needed
one and that's going to fix it. Well it didn't
fix it. In fact, it's worse. This is the worst
base fin They are dead last in points per game
nearly thirty two points per game given up, dead last,

(01:26:34):
and rushing yards per game, dead last in yards per game,
third last, and passing yards per game. You see are
like they stick. Their defensive line has had a sack
since Week five. Their last sack came in week six
when Gino Stone, a safety, had a sack on Jordan
Love in Green Bay. This defense stinks, and so it

(01:26:58):
starts with the front office. But it isn't just there.
Zach Taylor picked out Golden Al. Golden's not getting it done.
Zack Taylor's the head coach. So I always resort back
to that. I try to remind people he's not just
the offensive side, right, He's the head coach. And so no,
I think there's plenty of blame to go around. It
starts at the top. It certainly trickles down to the
coaching staff as well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
When the coaches. Someone's got to step up and make
a play. Someone's got to step up and make a play.
The lack of playmakers, that's on Duke Tobin.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Sure, no doubt in that is with without a doubt
this defense. No one can debate it. Nobody. They do
not have enough playmakers, and and we saw that yesterday.
And by playmakers, I can also just break that down
to guys who can tackle, Guys who can run and
hie off of the block and a basic play can't tackle.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Well, how do you look so good against Pittsburgh and
then lay this egg?

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Well they didn't. That's what's that's what's so concerning. This
isn't one bad quarter. Yeah, this was a defense that
tried to give away that Pittsburg game and they let
Pat fryer Muth get open and give up a sixty
eight yard touchdown and lose the league, bumble the lead away.

(01:28:16):
And yeah, they forced a couple of turnovers. And I
get that that's great, but you need to be able
to get off the field. And when you're up fourteen
with and I tweeted this playout last night, when you're
up fourteen thirty eight twenty four, eight minutes to go
and the Jets are still comfortable running the ball, Like

(01:28:36):
that's that's the biggest advice. Like that's so insulting, right,
Like so insulting, Like you never see that across the league.
I watched a ton of NFL football. If you're done
two scores in the fourth quarter very rarely. You're not
running the ballun you're not running ball in there running
like crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Yeah, but but that is the only weapon. I mean,
look at the injuries that the love the oh and
seven New York Jets came in and everybody was hurt.
We thought, oh, this is gonna be a good to
see Sauce Gardner homecoming weekend at you see see how
he matches up against Chase and that'd be kind of fun,
right because he shut him down last time. Maybe some revenge.
Now he's out, Your top two, your receivers are Garrett

(01:29:11):
Wilson's out. Everyone in the building knew and everyone watching
it new that Brees Hall was the only weapon they had.
The only threat you had was Breese Hall. How did
he at one hundred and thirty three yards and what
two touchdowns? And of course you're the game winner? How
is that possible?

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
And that's where I looked at the coaching because if
you pay attention to and I posted all the postgame comments,
but like Jamar Chase on the final drive when the
Bengals are down and if they gotta have a moment,
he's like, yeah, they ran double double on me and
t because why they didn't want Jamar and Key to
beat them, so they double team both of those guys.

(01:29:48):
If you know Breese Hall is the only dude that
can beat you realistically, is that there some way coaching
wise you can make sure he does not beat you.
And he did over and over and over again in
the fourth quarter, when again they were so comfortable running
the ball and getting explosive runs and trunk plays on
the ground that they were running the ball late in

(01:30:10):
this game down two scores.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
Back to the play calling Taylor and his Marvin S
clock management. I don't know what he was doing midfield,
and it runs it with forty two seconds left, one
yard gain on a running play when you're trying to
score and then you're trying to hit Andrey Josavas twice
with the game on the line. You're completely a coach there.
What would you look at that and go that's hip,
that's bush league.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
Well, this is where coaching slash the offense comes in,
because as bad as the defense was, yeah, you're right,
the offense still could have done it back. We could
have been talking about a four and fourteen that needs
to figure out the defense. But hey, they went too
straight and so games on the line. You get a
first down by hanging it off to Chase Brown and

(01:30:52):
so all right, you're at the forty five yard line.
I like the first down play to Andrey Yosavash. It
was a it was a steam ball. It's really tough catch.
He didn't catch it clean and then he gets hit.
But like, I like the idea of it, because if
that ball is complete, your infield goal range boom right
away second bound. And this is where it falls apart
is you run it with p rhyme, don't get it,

(01:31:13):
have to call it time out. Now it's third and long.
Guess what the whole world knows you're going to throw
it yep, and it makes it makes it much much tougher.
Joe Blacker has to throw it away. Fourth down. Guess
what they do. They take away the bengals two best
players by double teaming them, and then you have to
go to andre Josabash and so yeah, I totally get that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
So the second down run is a huge play.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
And then then on the drive fire they had to
punt give the ball back to the Jets and they're
only up six. The fact that you don't run it,
the fact that you're just passing on that drive and
you go three and out. That's another area. So like
when things started to get tight, the Bengals got tight
on offense, they needed to get one more score and

(01:31:55):
at that point, you know it, you know you're going
to have to score one more time, and they didn't.
And so yeah, I do think that the defense is
going to take a ton of blame, and rightfully so.
We spent plenty of time talking about the defense, but
this offense and Zach Taylor, they should have could have
and didn't deliver with the game on the line on

(01:32:15):
those final two drives as good as they were all
day long. And I did it thirty eight points five,
but forty one is what it took to win the game,
and they needed to go get a field goal and
they didn't do it right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
And it's not the tail and it's the play calling.
This questionable, But above that is the defensive coaching. You
know what's shanged with Al Golden replacing lou An Aaruma.
They gave up over five hundred yards total offense to
the freaking Jets. Jets haven't had that much offense and
like flat well since the last time they played the Bengals.
I think eleven sacks Bengals in the cellar the league.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
They can't rush the pass, they can't stop the run.
And this is what a bad Jets team, made worse
by the fact that all their quote unquote stars were
pretty much out except for Briest Hall, who killed you.
And so I look at that and go, defensively, we
got al Golden, they're great. Lou Anarumo seems to be
doing a k and Indy, yeah he does.

Speaker 3 (01:33:06):
And that's that was what Lou was frustrated with. Like,
he was frustrated with the lack of talent, right yep.
And and the Bengals said, well, we've given you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
A lot of talent.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
We've invested all these draft picks and and that's where
the disconnects was. And I think, one, you better get
better at drafting too. I do think Lou was wrong
in the tooth here and there were some things that
needed to change, so like, but clearly it wasn't just
literally Lou wasn't just a bad man and way off

(01:33:38):
his rocker and wrong and you know, and that's what
we're seeing, and that's that's what I think is it
could be such a why this could be such a
era defining not just season defining, era defining loss, because
it feels like if we if we look up a
few months from now, when we're talking about a new
coaching staff and changes to the front office and all

(01:33:59):
these that could come, well, guess what you're going to
point to that Judge game where if they win their
four and four their half game back in the North
because the Packers shamble business last night. What a missed
opportunity by this Bengals team to not get back to
five hundred and be right there in the division and
instead you you fumble it away.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
You know, Pittty, You look at Pittsburgh. Man, it's a
game that probably should liten. They want to put in
that game. Everybody feels good. No one said, oh, you know,
the Jets are going to come in and beat the Bess.
I thought, you know, going in and like, hey watch
out and seventeams man, oh, seven teams. Oh, in any
team right in any league. They're a dangerous team. They'll
do anything to win. But then you saw the injuris,
like there's no way, there's no way they can pull

(01:34:42):
off this win. And yet they did and as much
as you talk about Okay, well Luina Roumo long in
the tooth, put Al Golden in their new systems. It's
the talent that they're getting, you know what I mean.
Miles Murphy Shamar Stewart aren't getting the Bengals enough production
in the investment they made. Let's face it, Miles Murphy's
not exactly tearing the house down here. Stuart Okay, he
sat out miss four games of the ankle. I get

(01:35:03):
that he was non existent. CTV Logan will sing good
run on the list all the guys that they brought
back too, and said, Okay, we're just gonna stand pat here.
Look what's happening. That's that's above El Golden, that's above
Zach Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Sure, there's no doubt.

Speaker 7 (01:35:20):
And I think.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
That's why when they during free agency, because I'm really known,
like there's not there's not someone in Cincinnati media that
pushes for free agents and veterans more than me. I'm
really loud about it because I want them to do it.
And so guess what I've been loud about. I've been
loud about it since I've worked with Mo every day
down right right. I just I want them to make

(01:35:43):
moves because guess what, that's what wins in the NFL
in twenty twenty five. You gotta beograss, you gotta go
gate guys, you just do. And they didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:35:49):
They're big.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
Their big move this offseason was getting Jamar and t
done during free agency when they could be talking to
these other guys right and.

Speaker 1 (01:35:57):
Bold and drag that whole thing out. And it's just
and Trey.

Speaker 3 (01:36:02):
That's it. Yeah, I mean, it's just all of those
that can wait till after mid March when you need
to be focused on bringing an outside talent that can
stop the run and tackle and do all of the things,
the basic things that you need to do as an
NFL football player that happens to play on defense. And
so that's where that's where it started. And then it

(01:36:23):
was like, oh, well, maybe the scheme will work, and
some of these rookies will work and some of these
young players will play better and all those things.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
It just has not.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
It has not worked. I mean, I agree with you.
How does Schamar Stewart not have a quarterback hit yesterday
against you know, like you need him to be that
guy and he just hasn't been.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
That is that coaching, Is it bad drafting?

Speaker 7 (01:36:44):
Is it not?

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
I think that that's all should be on the table.
And I'll mention too, they're one superstar and Trey Hendrickson
he got that light bio as a cheap shots? What
have looked like to me? The way he left off
that field with that hit again, I don't know when
he's coming back. I really don't.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
Yeah, I mean I agree it would be a cheap shot,
borderline dirty, you might call it thirty and and yeah,
now where is your past run? Where is it coming from?
Shamar Stewart. We knew he was a raw prospect, but
you need it, you got to have it now, and
they didn't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
And the Bears are better than the Jet Jets, that's
for sure. And they're coming to town Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Everyone's better than the Jets. That Jets teams still terrible.
That Jets teams stinks. So for them to lose to that,
I mean, it's just there's we're not going to look
back at in five week. Should be like, oh, we
see you. The Judts were good. No they're not, No, no, no, no,
just terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
James Rapeene with Bengals Talk dot Com locked on Bengals podcast.
He should be doing two podcasts four podcasts today with
all this material. But I won't tell you how to
you do your job, James, with somebody to tell the Bengals,
the defense how to do their job, to do their job.
I understand that the Bengals defense was in charge of
the Marty Brenman statue guarding it the night the microphone
got stolen. So I don't know what the hell to

(01:37:58):
make of anything in this town with our sports teams.
I really really don't. The Bengals were just got awful yesterday.
There's no excuse for it, and I've been around long
enough to know it's not gonna change anytime soon. James,
all the best, Budd appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
I heard they tried to tackle the guy who took
the mic. They got away.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
He got away right in the end zone. Well the microphone,
see it, Budd, appreciate it. Got to get to a
news update here, Cunningham on the way afterwards. Here Home
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