12-22-25 Monday Night Sterling

Sterling fills in for Gary Jeff. He talks Ohio voting law changes with Dr. Donna Schlagheck, Bengals with Joe Danneman, the Elwood case/evidence verification with Mark Krumbein, and takes your calls.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Are.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
It's a Monday sterling stepping in holiday week. Thanks for
all topsy turvy, Up is down, down is up, and
a whole lot of people on the road with shiny
happy faces trying to get to a close family and
friends and enjoy all the holidays. And there are many happening,
all in the matter of a couple of days. Christmas
Honka in full swing. You got Kwansa as well. After

(00:25):
holiday Christmas time in twenty six, I think is when
that starts. And in the news, which has gotten quite
a bit of attention to start, we got a lot
of groundcover tonight. By the way, Bengals with a big
win in Florida, a little too late to make a
difference for a playoff run. They're eliminated. But we'll talk
to Joe Danaman about how that to outcome and how
they played and what that means for the future of
the Woday. We also have Mark Crumbine going to join

(00:48):
us on that Elwood case where he was convicted of
murder and he said he was innocent the whole way.
And then they find that apparently there was no DNA
or something weird and they overturn a case or say
that at least he's not going to be able to
be retried and and he's going to be free.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
And then they go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
A minute, there is no hepatitis as we initially had thought.
So now I scratch my head and go, so does
this guy really innocent? Not innocent? And we'll talk to
a guy who knows about criminal defense cases and trying
to get innocent people released, and obviously also dealing with
putting the people who are not exactly safe for the

(01:29):
rest of us to play with in the big sandbox
of life locked up so they can be isolated in
a way and keep us safe. Mighty Wall from space
dot Com gonna join us as well. A lot of
groundcover in James Rapine too. Holy crap, there's a lot
going on. But first to start, you may have heard
there is news about and there's tons of politics in
the news. But I like to bring it home to

(01:49):
what matters to us here in the dry state, and
what matters to us is local stuff. And about election day,
which has been election days for some period of time
time where you could vote early. You can only vote once,
not often, no matter what anybody says, and you could
do mail in voting, and that's the case for a
lot of our military personnel around planet Earth, as well

(02:11):
as a lot of people in rural areas who have
a hard time getting around, maybe seniors, and a lot
of people who can't get off work. Today comes news
that a governor Dwine would like to have apparently a
vetoed a tightening up of rules surrounding when votes will
be counted and tabulated, meaning election night, with the s
still being allowed a four day grace period. I figured,

(02:32):
why not talk to someone who knows a little bit
about the politics of voting in history of it, former
head of political science at Writes State and Dayton. She
is a Cincinnati kid now professor Meredi, doctor Dona Schlehick.
Welcome back to seven hundred WLW with Sterling.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
How are you hi?

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Sterling? Doing well?

Speaker 5 (02:49):
And you're right, there is really never a slow news day,
is there not anymore?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's like whiplash, And you know, days ago you would think, well,
this is clearly going to be a topic a You're like,
it's like months ago, some stuff has happened. So I
guess that's the nature of the world we're living in.
As far as this election thing in the vote deal.
Governor Dewin would like to have vetot it. He said
he could not what does this effectively mean when it
comes to people looking to cast their vote midterm elections

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or any other election moving forward in the great state
of Ohio.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Well, I think the bottom line, you know, and I'm
so glad you wanted to talk about this to remind
people to be registered. And if you have to vote absentee,
if you're going to be traveling for work, you know,
you may be called to active duty, if you're in
the Guard or the Reserve, you may be in a
nursing home. But there are many reasons why people do

(03:41):
absentee ballots. You've got to move your timeline up at
least by a week to be sure. It's got to
be postmarked by the day of the election to be counted.
And I don't know about you, I don't have major
complaints about mail delivery, but it has gotten slow, which
is why we had that grace here, right. He wants,
as Governor DeWine said, he wants every vote to be counted.

(04:05):
And I think most Americans would would agree with that sentiment. Ohio.
The slightest bill that they're trying to tighten up some
of the voting practices. You know, not a single audit
has found any systematic fraud anywhere in in the Ohio system,
and Ohio voters generally have a higher level of confidence

(04:26):
in the integrity of the elections that happen in our state.
But if you have to vote absentee, and Ohio is
still not going to go to online voting, so that
is you know, there is technology out there that might
help us more sterling. We don't have to go into that,
but if you, for any reason think you may be

(04:46):
requesting an absentee ballance, get that thing filled out and
in the mail a week ahead of time. I admit
I'm genetically one of those people. I run a little early,
but if you really want it to be counted, if
we have a close race, We've got a couple of
interesting ones. We have a governor's race coming up. We
may see Vivek Ramaswami and Amy acton the term that JD.

(05:11):
Vance left in the Senate. You know that seat now
has to be filled permanently. Maybe John Houstead and Shared
Brown are some of the names. But there are going
to be a couple of big and potentially very closely
contested races. Every vote will count, But that four day
grace period, the governor really wanted to make sure that

(05:35):
veterans serving overseas. Of course, it's always experienced problems with
their ballots arriving late. Of all the people who are
voting absentee, would you not want people on active duty
serving the country overseas to have their votes counted?

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Is that rhetorical or are you actually asking me? Because
I got to say, yeah, of course their votes should count.
I think all of our votes should count too. Okay, okay,
let me reintroduce you. By the way, former head of
political science at Right State. She is now professor, married
to doctor Donna Slick, with Sterling on seven hundred WLW.
The four d grace period historically has been for those

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straggling votes that have been to be county that have
been mailed in or otherwise. Right, they've tightened up the
ballot box, the drop offs in county after county, all
eighty eight and Ohio. Doctor Slick and you mentioned something
also interesting about the slowing down of the mail and
they've sort of centralized some of the delivery. I know
from points south of Dayton that would normally have gone

(06:34):
to a Dayton processing center coming from part of the
tri State, maybe go to Cincinnati instead of going to
Dayton's hub that's not there anymore. In all that region
in Dayton goes to Columbus before it even would go
to their next door neighbor's house, which is sort of bewildering.
Some have argued that some of the changes to the
postal services functioning and processes have been deliberately slowed down

(06:58):
for something such as this. Do you buy into that
or is that paranoia and more of the you know,
tenfoil hat wearing conspiracists out there.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Do you think, Oh, I was living and working in Dayton,
moved to Cincinnati, and I have noticed, you know, I
have insurance in that sort of thing, and my mail
is much slower because they mail it to me from Dayton,
but it goes to Columbus yep, and then it gets
I have personally noticed the change since they closed that
big Dayton hub. I don't know what the rationale was.

(07:30):
You know, our Secretary of State they audit every election.
The level of fraud is small. They may also be
challenging people in terms of their citizenship. This could be
a very interesting year, especially if you haven't voted before
or if you're a new citizen, and it will be
you know, it's an off year election, so the roles

(07:53):
will probably be smaller, but we want to encourage participation
and confidence in the system.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
And you know the governor was he was really reserved
about it. But there is there's a case pending in
another state, you know, to kill that four day grace period.
So the legislature sort of is ahead of the curve
on this one. But you know, the voting fraud is
so small, uh, if it will be tight, remember to
take your ID with you. That's also required if you're

(08:22):
voting in Ohio. But measures like this, uh, particular for people,
you know who maybe are on a rural route. What
if you're in a nursing home. What if if you're
in hospital and you you know, or you're you're you're disabled,
students who are living away from home, they're you know
there these people have very valid reasons for needing an

(08:44):
absentee ballot process, but they're going to have to move
up the timeline. The burden is going to be on
the voter this time to make sure your vote is.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Counted doctor Flake.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Something that comes up regularly is to talk about it
and say, other countries where they will have a day
off and the sort of the national holiday for people to
go on election day in some places obviously even longer
than our early voting that takes place at more of
elections county facilities around All eighty eight and Ohio, and
it's pretty standard and a lot of places around the country.

(09:15):
Are there big problems systemically in other places around the
world where they have it a little bit more stretched out,
in a little bit more openness, or are we on
the right side of this? I mean, nobody wants impropriety,
wrongdoing or shady things that changing the outcome of an
election of what the people want doing.

Speaker 5 (09:33):
All right, I mean it is you know, the integrity
and the public confidence in the integrity.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
You know, states that do.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Online voting show very high levels of compliance and an
absence of fraud. States that require voting. Countries we just
had an election in Chile, voting is mandatory. You may
get some time off, but you have to vote. So
the variation across how countries practice a synth uh we

(10:01):
I wish we could think of a you know, a
more direct way, perhaps to incentivize people a national holiday.
Uh that that that will be tricky in in times
like this because you know that's an expense for offices,
et cetera.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
But it's it's been discussed.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
For a long time. I don't think we're going to
see that one. I'm holding my breast at the legislature
will now move on to figure out how to fund
public education in Ohio. You know, wait, wait, waiting for
the for the big one to happen. But an online
voting would would address so many of these problems, you know,
particularly with the delays, three or four delays, it's very

(10:42):
rare for it to have changed the outcome of an election,
extremely rare. Ohio voters tend to be pretty confident, you know,
despite our public discourse that talks about stolen elections and fraud,
Ohio voters have an above average level of confidence. And
and I think you know, Frank LeRose is Secretary of State.
He's been auditing them as as is his job.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Traud.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
You know, the audits just come out clean every time.
So we'll have a lower turnout. It's it's an off year,
but we're going to have some good races in Ohio,
and I'm I'm glad that on radio we can remind
people this is the rule has changed. And if you know,
if you have typically voted absentee, get it in early.

(11:27):
Make sure it's postmarked by the day of the election.
That is the best thing that you can do. Do
it early and be sure it's postmarked on the day
of the election, and it should be counted. And if
you happen to be on active duty, there's going to
be special attention paid to those ballots, as there should be,
as we would all hope that there would be. It's

(11:48):
going to be an interesting election. It's just so much
going on right now.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
I mean, there's so many things.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I've had people paying me doctor Slake in the midst
of this conversation. What about naming on buildings and putting
a phases up, like you know, a dictator is another
part of the world. I don't know it is there
regular to put name on stuff of somebody sitting in office.
Usually it comes after they have passed and people who
support them and want to memorialize them as happened. Also questions,
of course, about the legality of taking out boats in

(12:18):
and around Venezuela and we've talked about regime change there
and how the US historically has not exactly been very
successful in trying to overturn governments or get people out
of office and install either our puppets or ones that
we find more conducive to our business needs or our
national security needs. Let's, in short order, in about three minutes,

(12:39):
explain if you can, or at least your take on
what's going on with Venezuela, because I think that is
maybe more top of mind for a lot of us
who maybe have friends and family in the military and navy,
and maybe we've seen a little of this dog and
pony show before in some fashion when it comes to
us as a nation looking to somehow else someone elsewhere
for a number of other reasons.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yes, it is regime change.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
Yes, I think that that's that's that's what they're not
saying out loud very often to put financial pressure on
Venezuela and also indirectly on Cuba, which is kept a
float financially by what used to be Russian oil and
now it's it's Venezuelan oil.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I heard an.

Speaker 5 (13:22):
Analyst this weekend say Maduro is so well protected, particularly
by his Cuban bodyguard. That the smartest way to have
regime change without complete chaos following would be to put
the entire Venezuelan military on the American payroll.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
And that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (13:41):
Can we do that, I thought in the long run,
given given what it costs to have diverted ten percent
or so of our our forces to the Caribbean. Seriously,
what happens after the regime change?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, that's a good question. I think the Venezuelans would
like to know too.

Speaker 4 (13:58):
I think I think they would.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Is there a good model of regime change that has
ended well for the people, for the economy, and for
the region. Like you said earlier, there's not a long
list of those good models, and quite frankly, I'm not
sure how extensive. Right now, we're sort of scaring off
the tankers. We're chasing them away before they could load up.

(14:25):
It's going to cause a little pinch to the Chinese,
you know, the major customer of the Venezuelans. I've been,
you know, reading up on Venezuela. But you know, the
first time I ever read about Venezuela back in the fifties,
they helped get opequ organized, So that country has always
had a strong sense of you know, their national wealth

(14:47):
it's in petroleum, and that their national self determination depends
upon their ability to control their country's wealth. So they
worked with several Arab states to create what we know
today as you know, a great, big oil cartel. But
that census nationalism, national pride, and pressing the Venezuelans on

(15:08):
this point, Sterling is almost guaranteed to get a real
aggressive pushback from the Maduro regime.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
But you know, as a.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
Political science is my question is, okay, so after you've
changed the head of the regime, what then that's.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
A solid question. I'm sorry, he's an.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Office because of the stolen elections and he was able
to miss the pressure to overturn him. He is unpopular
in his country, but he is well guarded and the
military is keeping him in office right now, so this
thing will be coming to a head. I just wonder what,
you know, Stage two and three and four is, you know,

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if we have offered him exile someplace, but how to
have continuity without the chaos that typically follows a violent
regime change.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
And the other interesting thing that we're out of time.
But one of the things here is that that crude
oil from Venezuela is easier to process with the facilities
that we have that don't get built very fast in
parts of Louisiana and all up and down most of
the country. So there is obviously oil at the forefront
of this too, not just the idea, which is of
course our national security. It's not just the idea of drugs.

(16:20):
That's sort of a dog and pony show. Arguably, it's
always great to get in your head talking voting, talking
national security and everything else. It's always good to have
you here, your perspective and insights. Former head of political
science at Wright State now Professor Meredith Cincinnati Kid doctor
Dona Schleheck. Have yourself a great Christmas Honukah at Kwanta
the holiday the new Year.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
We'll check in with again.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Soon Mary, Christmas.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Thanks, take care of yourself. More sterling coming back.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Joe Daniman Fox nineteen don't talk food day, whip me
after your nine thirty report on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Well, well, well it.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Was like Sazime Street easy good times in the summer
sun where at least December sunshine of South Florida for
those Bengals on the road yesterday with a big dominating
win over the Dolphins, who really aren't that great, and
this Bengals team somehow looked a little closer to what
we expected than the look all year, but injuries and
there's all kinds of the weirdness that went with that baggage.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Your twenty five season so far.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Joe Daniman knows covers Bengals and everything else sports for
Fox nineteen, giving us some time. How are you, how's everything?
And how was the weekend? I know you did some
stuff with the family.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Too, Yes, the weekend was wonderful, getting a chance to
see my boys played some high school basketball this weekend
before watching the Bengals play on Sunday. And a Merry
Christmas to you. I hope you get to enjoy some.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Time off this week sot enjoy the holidays, Absolutely, you too.
What about this Bengals team?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
All of a sudden, after what was a demoralizing shutout
loss which has not happened very often in recent years
for the Bengals against the Ravens, they take a trip
south and you kind of like, well, what's this Bengals
team gonna do? Are they just gonna work on the
future and see what other guys can they've tried some
other guys out a Burrow, Chase Higgins, Chase Brown. I mean,
all of the offensive weapons clicking, especially the second half.

(18:06):
Just pounded those fish or I guess there are a porpoise,
it's a mammal.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
The dolphin is what it is, and I hear it's
good on it. They're good eating. But I don't want
to eat a dolphin. I really don't.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
I try to think back to what ah Ventura said
about the difference between a porpoise in a mammal in
the movie, but it felt like the ultimate get right
spot for the Bengals to play the Dolphins, playing a
rookie quarterback and a seventh round rookie in that and
coming off the shutout loss to the Baltimore Ravens. To

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see what it looks like yesterday. That has to be
both at the same time a great feeling for Bengals
fans to see it, and also at the same time
the big what if of what this season could have
been and what these last three years could have been.
When you see what it looks like the Big three
are firing like they did on Sunday with mar chse

(19:04):
T Higgins and Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
And now it's got.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
To be urgent on the organization again when you're reminded
what it looks like that if you just put the
pieces around the big three to be successful, it's as
dangerous an offense as there is in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
And they've got to get it right.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
They've got to get the right people around those three
for this team to play better football in twenty twenty six,
because what they have in those three is pretty darn special,
and I think the numbers would show it out, but
our eyeballs held the tail for us as well. We
all saw it, we know it, we know what it
looks like, and it happened again, and I think it
again reminds the front office what they've got to do

(19:47):
right next year for this team to be in position
to be playing in January.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Talking to Joe Danman Fox nineteen, it's at Fox nineteen, Joe,
if you're on ex or Twitter, whatever you want to call.
It was Sterling on the big one the spine Monday night.
We also saw a defense that look tremendous, But again
it's the Dolphins and it's been a struggle for a
long time. They've had draft after draft after draft, high
top type draft picks. And my question to you is

(20:14):
is it a development problem? Is it a talent problem?
Is it a coaching problem? Why has the defense been
so consistently inconsistent for so long? Regardless who is where
worn that hat is ahead of that defense when it
comes to you know, I guess coaching for one of
a better way.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
If I had to land on one answer, I think
I would land on a talent evaluation problem. That when
they go into the draft and they target these players,
and you go back to the draft just this last
spring and all the talking heads who were pointing towards
certain players for the Bengals to take, and those players

(20:51):
being available, and the Bengals deciding to put their draft
pick on someone else and bank on their ability to
coach that person up and get quality football out of them.
And it felt risky with some of their picks, especially
the first two picks, Shamar Stewart and Demetrius Knight. And
here we are now sixteen weeks into the season, and

(21:13):
I really don't know if you have a great grasp
on what you have, and really any of these rookies,
especially Shamar Stewart, who hasn't played a lot of football.
He certainly flashed a little bit Sunday in Miami, but
he hasn't played a ton, so I'm not sure if
you know what kind of a commodity he is. Demetrious
Knight has been up and down in his rookie season,
so the jury's still out on him. Barrett Carter is

(21:36):
one that I'm sure Bengals fans are hoping either starts
to show that he can play at a level where
he deserves to start, or the Bengalis think about either
investing in free agency or the draft with another high
draft pick of finding someone to play that linebacker spot
that they can rely on a little bit more. But
I think what's the most important about the second half
of this season with the defense, And let's be honest,

(21:59):
they have been and better. Now the bar was really
low for them to be better, but to have been
a little bit better incrementally here in the second half
of the season. And I do think you can pick
out certain players that have played well and you can say, okay,
they can be contributors in the future. The guys like
Miles Murphy who we didn't know if he could be

(22:19):
a contributor, I think he's shown here in the last
month and a half that he can do that. DJ Turner,
Dax Hill, guys that have proven this year they can
be contributors. I think Jordan Battle, while he's not perfect,
has made enough plays this year that you can rely
on him to be a contributor. So that's what I'm
watching for the final two weeks, especially the rookies. Tamar Stewart,

(22:40):
Demetrius Knight, Barrett Carter. Can these guys continue to show
the kind of flashes that at least validate the Bengal
is looking forward to twenty twenty six and say, Okay,
these are guys we can rely on to contribute.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
To a defense.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
So that's going to have to get a lot better,
and it's going to have to get a lot better
in agency, not just the draft. The Bengals have got
to do it. They've got to go for it in
a free agency for this defense to make the kind
of jump it has to make next year for the
Big three to be able to play in playoff games.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Talking to Joe Danaman Fox nineteen Sports Sterling seven hundred
wlw uh, it's harder from people I've talked to to
develop and have younger guys come in on a defense
than it is on the offense.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Do you buy that?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I mean going out and getting pieces of more experienced players.
I know there have been some injury issues. We obviously
know guys who were expected to be here have not
necessarily been here for the whole ride this season, or
playing less than eight hundred percent, which is fairly common anyway.
But to have some guys on defense that are players
that are gamers, that are not green, it's is it

(23:48):
really harder on defense than offense to get out there
and get it clicking?

Speaker 4 (23:53):
I think on offense, there's a lot of plug and
play positions in football that you can put a guy
out there and and they can make plays right away
when you plug them. In defense, just in general, and
this is going to sound very rudimentary, but just in general,
it's very much more a read and react kind of

(24:13):
spot on the football field. And so yeah, I think
part of the problem the first eight weeks of the season,
especially when Dak Taylor and the coaching staff committed to
going to these two rookie linebackers, is understanding these guys
have to figure out where to line up, what are
their keys, where do they go, how do they react?
And you're seeing teams through a lot of misdirection to

(24:36):
try to test the eye discipline of these guys to
make sure that they, without a lot of experience, can
make the kind of right read and go to the
right spot. Now, even when they are doing that, you're
still seeing some problems pop up with tackling, and that
isn't something that should happen at this level, especially if
you're a high draft pick like Matrius Knight and Barrett

(24:59):
Carter who was a relatively high draft pick as well.
But I think in general, the development on the defensive
side of the football is probably more growing pain than
the offensive side. Certainly, Dylan Fairchild has been plugged in
right there at the offensive line and has played a
solid season Dat Taylor said as much today, But he's
also right next to two really betteran guys who can

(25:21):
help cover up for his mistakes. You look on defense
to Meetrius Knight and Barrett Carter make mistakes. Who's really
back there to help them cover up those mistakes? Gino Stones,
That's not a great thing for a defense. And I
think two as I say Geno Stones name, I think too,
what's important where this defense can show the guys that

(25:42):
you can count on to contribute in twenty twenty six.
I think it's also important to understand that the Bengals
coaching staff and the organization now gets to look at
the guys they don't want to count on in twenty
twenty six, and those guys have proven themselves this year
that some aren't good enough to be relied upon going
into next year, and that there have to be changes.

(26:03):
And certainly safety is one of those positions where the
Bengals have to make a change. So it's not just
the guys who are flashing and developing and getting better
that you can rely upon. It's also making the assessments
on the guys that you have to move on from.
And I think the Bengals have gotten a long look
at both of those and have some decisions to make.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Here in a couple of weeks now it's clear that
there's almost been sort of there's the learning curve that's
been shortened, and you get to see some guys in
showcase in the midst of what has been an ugly season,
you know, and you know, it's all we want the
guys to start strong, you know, And so they did
they go like what two and oho to starts they're like,
oh four, and then you go, oh, Joe's toe, and
then you get Flacco, I mean, and then you go, well,

(26:43):
he only wins one. How is that possible? They only
could win a couple more games? How much better would
this whole circumstance be coming from the AFC North. They
could have been in contention for the AFC North tidle
and go in that way if there would just been
I mean, how many of these games have been just
a score away, a field goal, even just a point
where you're like watching or listening to Lap and Hoard

(27:04):
and you're just like, oh, my head's gonna explode. It's
just ridiculous, and I think I care too much Joe Danaman.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
But if you think about the Jets and the Bears
game though, those are those one score one play games
that very much were winnable for the Bengalis, and if
they win them, here they are seven and eight and
week fifteen and they might have a pulse in the
AMC North. But it's been such an odd season because
it feels like it's been three different seasons in one
maybe even four where they had the start of the year,

(27:33):
and you mentioned it. Everybody said get off to the
fast start, and they did that. That includes beating a
Jacksonville Jaguars team right now who is as hot as
anybody in the AFC and might be one of the
favorites to play for an AFC championship here in about
a month. So you can see what they look like
when they have their team together.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
So that was season one.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Then Joe goes down, and season two was this midsmash
of Jake Browning and Joe Flacco, and then season three
was Joe Burrow's come back, and you look at what
they've done, and I think it's important to look at
what this team has done with Joe Burrow the last
and let's go back to last year, the last twelve
thirteen weeks, because they've won the final five games. Last
year with Joe, they won the first two and that

(28:14):
includes bidding a good Jacksonville team a playoff team. Then
he comes back and they go on the road and
beat a good Baltimore team, and then they have Buffalo
on the ropes in the fourth quarter before the turnovers happen,
and then the Baltimore game. So outside of the Baltimore game,
the one at home where the Bengals were shut out.

(28:34):
When the Bengals have Joe Burrow playing their competitives and
they're playing with some of the better teams and beating
some of the better teams in the AFC, So they're
not far away, right, and it's not just getting.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
To the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
And I think that's important to hammer home when you
start talking about all the changes that Joe Burrow is
hinting towards in the offseason, whether or not that's coaching changes,
whether or not that's funt office changes. The changes have
to be urgency and free agency for this team to
not only say, okay, what do we have to do

(29:09):
to get back to the playoffs. This is a championship level,
top heavy team with those three. So if you surround
the right players around those three, you're not just competing
with playoff teams like they've done this year with Joe Burrow.
You're beating them. And if you're beating them, you can
compete for championships.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, and it helps. I mean, you don't even need
an extraordinary defense. You need a serviceable defense with an
offense that scores the way they do, which at times
seems like it's at will, which is an amazing thing.
When they're hitting it, it's it almost looks like it's
slow motion, which is is a wild thing. But we'll
see how it comes together. Anything I have not asked.
I know we need to let you go on about
your day and enjoy Christmas time and family and friends

(29:48):
and everything else that's going on.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Joe Danaman, if I can ask you a question, Oh.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
No you oh here we go?

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Oh no, okay, oh no, Christmas week, yes, yes, it's
Christmas Week.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
I have three boys, and I'm trying to think of
a last minute great gift, and I'm thinking Bengals tickets.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Now.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Is that a good gift because they're out of the playoffs.
But it's a home game, it's a winnable game, Joe
Burrow is playing, and two of my boys have never
gone to a Bengals game. So is that a good
gift from a dad to a son to give them
tickets to a game that doesn't have any playoff meeting?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Well, just to be serious, one, let's forget about the
fact that you're Joe Danaman, Fox nineteen Sports, who knows people,
who has connections, So let's start there.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I think it's a no brainer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean you get to go to pay Corps, you
get to get up close and personal and watch NFL football,
Bengals go at it with Joe Burrow, Jamar, Chase T.
Higgins if his head's right still, Chase Brown, p Ryan
who was all over the place, and a defense that
maybe can do some work. I mean they got the Cardinals, right,
you got the Browns.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
In fact, I want to be one of your kids
right now is bright? No, they should be happy.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
It's about to be decently warm on Sunday. Although I've
heard the word storms for first Sunday. We'll see about that.
What a wild thing that would be in late December.
But yeah, I think I'm gonna do it. I think
I'm gonna make that my last minute gift.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think I think it's a great choice. Even mister Waddell,
who's producing, is like, well what about us? What about us?
I totally get that. Yeah, it's always good to talk
to you. I hope you have a great Christmas and
a great New Year. If we don't connect again, I
appreciate you bringing what you do and certainly watching it
and seeing what you bring. On Fox nineteen Joe Daniman,
thank you and take care of yourself and have fun.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
With the boys Sunday. Christ I appreciate it. Merry Christmas, guys.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Take care of yourself more Sterling coming back seven hundred
W WELLW here we are a couple of minutes away
from your ten o'clock report. It's a Monday night, Sterling.
Garrett Jeff was on earlier.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
I'm here now.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's the holidays, Christmas kwans Hanikah a full effect right
now and just trying to get through it. And I
just picked up a Mark, a criminal defense counsel superstar,
gonna join us after the ten o'clock report to try
to make sense of It's an odd case because you

(32:11):
have a case about a woman, Rodea Nathan, who lost
her life at the hand of another. She was murdered,
brutally beaten in a hotel room at Embassy Suites, Blue
ash in like a third and was it ninety three,
ninety five somewhere at ninety four, so we're talking in
excess of thirty years ago. There was a guy tried
who worked there, his name Elwood Jones. He the whole

(32:33):
time is our prisons are filled with people who say
they're innocent, and he said he was innocent. He's kept
to that story. Then people start fighting for him. They say, listen,
it's circumstantial evidence. That doesn't mean anything. DNA hepatitis, no hepatitis,
there's something, And they go, okay, fine, we can't try
you again. I think it's called no prejudice on the
overturnament or what have you, and I'll probably be corrected.

(32:56):
Mister Crumbine momentarily, that's why he's here. He knows what's what.
And then just a couple days later, Joe Dieters now
in the Supreme Court, used to be prosecutor, comes out
and says, that's a bunch of crap. We had what
we needed. He should be locked up. He is guilty.
And then a day or two after that, Miss Somarco,
she's the coroner here in Hamilton County, she comes out,

(33:19):
apparently they have for research, they've done study, they look
into che tech I guess whatever biological pieces in parts
of samples that they had that were still viable, and
then apparently there's no hepatitis shown. Now a defense council
says that's wrong. Of course, they're defending their client. So
I would like to just have an experienced criminal counselor

(33:41):
on who's been on the side both sides effectively of
this type of circumstance to say, one, we don't want
anybody railroaded. I think that's clear. No one should be
put away and due time for a crime they didn't commit.
On the other side of it, you want someone who's
culpable to be held accountable in some type of justice
for someone who can't speak for themselves and their family
members who died at the hand of another in a

(34:03):
brutal fashion. So we'll get into Mark Crumbine's brain about
this case and maybe how many people could be locked
up who shouldn't be, and maybe sometimes how people get
away with stuff that they should not because they actually
did cause harm to another. I guess you work the
system in some cases, or you don't have what you
need to get a conviction when it comes to evidence.

(34:24):
So Mark Crumbine joins me after your ten o'clock report
the latest on what's going on around the tri State
and the planet Earth that matters to us. Here on
a Monday night, Sterling, where the Hooda got a big
win over the fish in a game that arguably didn't
matter yesterday, and they got three more to go, and
they're reds who will be in the desert in just
a matter of weeks. Here the Nation Station seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Here we are.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
It's a fine Monday night, sterling hanging out. Hope you're
doing okay. The holidays are upon them. Hope you and
yours are enjoying yourself. A lot of people already on
the road getting where they're going. And the idea of
being able to freely travel and to get around and
to visit family this time of year especially, I think
hits close to home. And for the better part of
thirty thirty five years, give or take the Nathan family

(35:07):
after the loss of RhoD and Nathan as she was
brutally beaten in a hotel room in Blue Ash, it
didn't leave a whole lot for them to celebrate over
well decades now, frankly and looking for closure and murder.
Police in Cincinnati or Blue Ash, and across the country
for that matter, Planet Earth do their best to speak
for those who can't to get justice, to get retribution

(35:30):
for one of a better way to describe it, For
those who are responsible for the pain the suffering and
the lives taken of people who have been murdered. And
in the midst of this was a guy who worked
at this same hotel, Elwood Jones, who with circumstantial evidence,
the law enforcement was able to find their way effectively

(35:50):
to a prosecution. As I understand it, and the whole way,
mister Jones had said that he was not guilty. Many
people do. In fact, prisons are filled with people who
say that they're in a A lot of people came
to his defense over these last three decades, and basically
there was an overturning of some of that process and
saying now that he can't be retried for it, and

(36:12):
some of it was it was circumstantial. They did not
have DNA, there was a hepatitis question, and just in
the last week or so, it was the idea of
him not having to deal with another prosecution and Joe
Deaters came out.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
It was a part of the prosecutor's office.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
I think he may have been the DA at the
time here in Hamilton County who was behind the conviction
at this point, said that what had been discussed was
not legitimate, that they had more than enough evidence and
it was a legitimate, upstanding prosecution and conviction as I
understand it, his defense council says. Otherwise, as we are
now here, Coroner Somarco in Hamilton County comes out today.

(36:51):
You heard her here on the Big One even talking
about the fact that they did more testing there is
no hepatitis, so that the idea that there had been hepatitis,
and that the accused in this case, Owood Jones, would
not have been able to have committed this act without
finding himself exposed to an in fact, showing then some
type of positive sign for it was his way out

(37:12):
of being culpable. Kind of have to give us some
time who was dealt with more than his handful of
cases and defense of those who were facing death penalty,
capital murder cases or otherwise and been around in the
Tri State for quite a while doing this kind enough
to take my call and to show up in person
to talk about this as a criminal defense counsel Mark Crumbine,

(37:33):
Welcome back to seven hundred w welw, how are you
and happy holiday?

Speaker 6 (37:37):
Oh thank you Shary. It's so great to be here
and so great to see again. Thank you for having
me here tonight.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
How irregular is this case. This is a high profile case,
and I think anyone of any reasonable rational mind would say,
we want someone who is responsible for taking another's life
or causing another's harm, let alone property damage, but the
loss of life to be held accountable and to be
taken away and no longer a life, to playing the
big sandbox of life, or in some cases maybe execution

(38:03):
because we are a death penalty state. How often do
we see a case like this where they're convicted and
then they say, hey, subsequently there's no evidence. How often
because that's just the first part of.

Speaker 6 (38:14):
This, Well, that's extremely unusual, and I don't think you know.
A couple of things I want to point out. Sometimes
people say, well, it's just a circumstantial evidence case, but
that there are a lot of cases that are circumstantial evidence.
That doesn't mean it's a good case or a bad case.
It just means that there's probably not an eyewitness, and

(38:34):
there aren't a lot of murders and things where there
are actually eyewitnesses. Otherwise there wouldn't be a lot of
trials if somebody saw it. So a lot of cases
go to trial. Circumstantial cases they could be great prosecution cases.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
They could be very weak.

Speaker 6 (38:52):
And then also I don't think necessarily anyone saying that
there's no evidence here against mister j Ownes. There was
some evidence, but apparently not sufficient evidence, and that doesn't
tell you certainly whether he did or didn't do it.
At this point, the case is the charges have been dismissed.

(39:13):
And again that gets to another concept. You can't prove Typically,
you cannot prove that you're not guilty when you if
you ever say that as a defense attorney, that could
be the end of your career. You can't prove it.
I mean, nobody can really prove they're innocent. And there
really is not an expectation in the Constitution of the
United States.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
That we have to do that. We don't have to
do that.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
That's up to the prosecution to prove that you're guilty
beyond a reasonable doubt. And the question here is is
there a reasonable doubt? And initially with this that they
felt that it was enough there to beyond a reasonable
doubt put him away.

Speaker 6 (39:46):
Correct, Well, the jury thought that, yes, correct, yes, And
the jury thought that and that you know that doesn't
this is you know, my understanding. I don't think there's
you know, sometimes there will be a case where they'll say,
factually a court will decide that later on that the
persons didn't do it, for sure did But those are
so rare, they're like you can kind of on one hand.

(40:08):
Typically it's either not guilty at trial, or maybe if
you're found guilty it's thrown out. But that doesn't mean
there's some evidence, doesn't mean you did it. I mean, frankly,
you could be found guilty and still not have done it.
Of course, sure that happens sometimes so and I believe
that that's what mister Jones is saying.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
In a circumstance like this.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Mare Crombine, criminal defense counsel, was Stirling seven hundred WLW
talking about this horrible circumstance with Elwood Jones and the
loss of life of wrote to Nathan, and I think
sometimes in the midst of this conversation you think about
the guy who may be locked away for the rest
of his days or extended period, three decades, whatever it is,

(40:49):
in losing their freedoms. But people often forget about there
was a woman who was brutally murdered. Her family has
had to navigate this and would like some closure. They
felt like they had had that closure and then now
here we are, this type of thing comes out and
you have current prosecutor who says, you know, things are
not as we thought they were. Previous prosecutor says, oh,
yes they were. And the defense counsel is going to

(41:10):
do what they do, which is try to protect and
provide whatever they can in defense of their client to
be able to get them back to freedom or at
least change what they're obligated to be punished for. How
often in what type of arguments? I mean, this is
a weird thing prosecutor to prosecutor, right, especially forget about
the fact go into the Supreme Court. But that carries

(41:32):
another bit of weight. This is an odd case across
the board, is it not?

Speaker 6 (41:36):
Absolutely? I mean, we have our new prosecutor, County Pillage.
I believe she's saying, you know, she was talking about
how the test result was one thing. Mister Dieters the
original prosecutor, county prosecutor in Henry County for decades, and
you know he's saying, no, you know, he's seeing it

(41:58):
differently in this agreeing pretty strongly with Countye Pillage.

Speaker 7 (42:04):
Very unusual.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
As you look at this in the time that you've
you've studied it, and it gets weird and murky water.
I suppose from someone in your position to maybe touch
too deep into this. But from what you've seen and
from what you've heard, is you assessed this. Where do
you see their truth to be? Well, it doesn't matter

(42:27):
defense or prosecution.

Speaker 6 (42:30):
Sure it matters, but you know it's really I mean,
I haven't this is a new development. I haven't really
I haven't been able to study it that much. It
just came out, sure, But you know, I see I
think what it sort of boils down to is originally
and I could be wrong in some of these facts.
I can remember the original case, but you know, I

(42:50):
think the original part of the original theory was that
Missus Nathan, the person the woman that was killed supposedly
the corner, not supposedly the corner back then, not latch me.
So Marco said that Missus Nathan had hepatitis bright okay,
which is very contagious. Okay. But then the the back

(43:16):
then even they said that Elwood Jones did not have it,
but he supposedly could have been was bitten by her
and this and that that's the prosecution's case back then,
that was just part of the case though, so that
I think there was a significant factor. And now the
county prosecutor watched me. So Marco is saying, well, I

(43:40):
reviewed it. I looked at the microscopic evidence that you know,
the it's left, and I see that there is no
inflammation in the liver and that indicates no hepatitis. So
he's saying, missus, Nathan did not have hepatitis then, And
she said, is that the corner back then made a

(44:02):
human error and thought that she had it right. So
I think back then, and this is the part I
gotta be careful, but I'm not one hundred percent sure,
but I think back then they said that Nathan Jones
did not have hepatitis correct, so so and they said,
so that was maybe I guess that would be part
of his defense back then. But now they're saying, well

(44:25):
that that doesn't matter because she didn't have it either.
So if if she beat him, why would he have
it right? But there's still other evidence that was brought
up and it doesn't mean that it's that it's damning there.
You know, they were claiming that I think some bite
marks matched. I hope I'm not kidding these cases mixed up.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
I don't know how many people are bitten on a
regular basis, but I mean, you have someone who have
apparently bit someone in the midst of a horrible beating,
and then you have a guy who allegedly had a
bite on them right.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
Well, but you know that science has changed over the
years a lot. Yeah, and so you know, they I
think back then, if I have the right case, they
were saying that it matched. But now they're seeing that
science isn't that good, and I don't know if they
can still.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
I don't know if they could tell.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Back then, for sure they thought they could that it
was even a bite mark. Maybe it's something else. And
then you know, there's some other evidence.

Speaker 7 (45:18):
Back then they said that.

Speaker 6 (45:20):
You know, a unique item of jewelry was found in
Elwood Jones trunk and it must have been it was
from the victim.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
That it was custom made or something cestimde.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
But then there were allegations that it was planted there
by the police officer. But now the police officer has
passed away, so then that leaves you in the lurch there.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
They're also been talking if I'm not mistaken Mark Crumb
by Criminal Defensive attorney was Sterling on the big one
talking about this Elwo Jones case, and it was horrible
murder situation and now and it's effective. Is it an
overturned case. That's the other thing that's kind of weird
in how this plays out, because they said he couldn't
be charged or at least retried.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
But and you mentioned the jewelry.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
They said that it apparently was calm found in New York,
which then says sort of takes away that as being
religid evidence. But they had a stack of other bits
and pieces of stuff that put pieces that they said, look,
here's the guy, he was there, he did this.

Speaker 7 (46:11):
Yeah, and I think there was I better be really careful.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I don't want to put in a bad spot.

Speaker 7 (46:15):
Well, I just want to be careful.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I don't want to get in trouble. Either you've got
I'm in a world or heard. If I get in trouble,
you've got experienced, license licensed.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
But there's something about some infection, not just hepatitis, but
some type of infection from the so called bite.

Speaker 7 (46:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
I can't remember the details of that, yeah, or the
accuracy of it. And then there was something about you know,
supposedly she got hit with a radio like he had,
and there was a mark from the radio on her body.
There's a lot of other stuff too, But you know,
I think part of it, I guess, is that you know,
that's circumstantial evidence. It could be true, it could be false,

(46:53):
it could be accurate, it could be inaccurate. You know,
you've got you know, sit uh forensic people on one side,
you know, analyzing it. Obviously, the state's going to use
who they think supports their theory of the case, and
the defense will try to find somebody that can counter it.
And and by the way, it just points out there
it may not be like you may never be able

(47:18):
to show truthfully or not. Some things are not discernible.
They're just not, I mean not everything is a scientific thing,
a perfect scientific thing, So you know, it's not in
a lot of most cases are really the totality. And
the prosecutors like to use this phrase. I've been a prosecutor,
That's what I'm saying. You've done them both scientific sides. Yeah,

(47:39):
you know, they like to say totality of the circumstances,
you know, and that's really true, Like if you looked
at one little part you'd say, well, that doesn't mean it,
that doesn't mean it. But if you look at everything,
well maybe that's enough. Maybe that's enough to prove beyond
a reasonable doubt. That's what you have to have. So
you know, some people they look at these cases for years,

(48:00):
for one hundred years. You know, some famous cases, Jack
the Ripper and all this stuff. Sometimes it's never going
to be clear, and somebody has to decide. It's got
to be a jury or a judge typically, and they're
making a decision. They could be right, they could be wrong.
That is the nature of human beings. That's our system.

(48:23):
That's our system. And we always hope, you know, whether
you're a prosecutor or defense attorney, you always hope the
real truth will come out. Now that you know, your
job as a defense attorney is a total advocate, you're
not worried about you can't worry about what should be because.

Speaker 7 (48:41):
You don't really know.

Speaker 6 (48:42):
People think as a defense attorney, this might be interesting
for some people. They think that as a defense attorney,
you know for sure what happened.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Right, do you want to know before you finish your thought?
Like it's say, for instance, God forbid, let I don't
even want to put anybody's name in it. If you
have someone standing over here who's been charged with a
horrific crime and they're like you, like, do you want
to know if they really did it when they call
you to defend them? Or do you do you not
want to know and just try to defend them with
whatever you can.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
Well, you need what you need to do as a
defense attorney.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
I found this earlier early on, is you need to
look at the case and say, don't waste your time
trying to form an opinion, because you might be right
or you might be wrong. It doesn't matter believe it
or not. For your job, you have to try the
best you can, and deep inside, as a human being,
you're hoping that that the truth comes out.

Speaker 7 (49:30):
You really are, but you're not.

Speaker 6 (49:32):
But if you make like, for instance, early on in
the case, I thought I had a guy as really
Early on, I thought, man, this sounds so bad. This
guy probably did it, which is a dangerous thought as
a criminal defense attorney. But sometimes you're like you listen
and you're like, oh my gosh. But then by the
time I tried the case, I was like, oh my gosh,

(49:53):
this guy, I mean, is innocent for sure.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Have you ever been fooled? Do you think or somebody
you found you got to off? For one of a
better way to describe it. They're found not guilty, then
subsequently they look at you with a little smirk and
a wink, and you're like, oh, hell no, no.

Speaker 6 (50:08):
I mean, I'm not saying I couldn't have, but usually
I'm pretty comfortable with what happens.

Speaker 7 (50:13):
Sure that helps, you know I am. I mean, I
would you know?

Speaker 6 (50:18):
And like I said early on, that the one case
I can think of that really changed my whole career
about how I felt about things, what I wanted to
do for the rest of my life. I had a
guy that sounded so guilty, and everybody kept telling me
and it seemed like he was. And I shouldn't have
bothered forming an opinion because by the end of it,
when I saw that the verdict came back and even

(50:39):
the policeman came up and shook my hand and said,
you were right. He goes, you were right, but that
guy didn't do it. He told me who he thought
did it, and I was like amazed because I didn't
even figure it out. But I didn't have to figure
it out. That wasn't your job, and it shouldn't be
my job.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Now here, that goes to something else more crumbined criminal
defense attorney was Stirling on the big one. So the
other side of it, because you were a prosecutor and
we see it, and I know TV is not always real,
you know, even the procedurals like first forty eight, which
they have shot a lot of those early on here
in Cincinnati, and it's fun to watch. And none of
them ever say I want my lawyer, which is bewildering.
But the first thing if a cop gets in trouble

(51:17):
is they want they want their their defense counsel that
comes hopefully from their union. So if they're not going
to answer questions and they want counsel, by god, if
you get in trouble, you better find somebody to protect you.

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Yes, And they even have special rules because they the
rules are for their union. They have to get two
days before their question something like that. They have special
rules through their union for the police.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
We should all have that. Yeah, now here's the other side.
I agree because I've had I know people in law enforcement.
I've known people have been prosecutors actively and otherwise. And
now you here Mark Crumbine. So, and we only have
about two and a half minutes, so this is difficult.
But I in a prosecutory investigation situation as well as
with law enforcement, you may think somebody is guilty, but

(51:58):
you don't. You want to go after the evidence. It's
first to find who you're pointing at, rather than pointing
the finger and then finding the evidence. Because I've heard
conversation on both sides of that from people in that business.

Speaker 6 (52:08):
Yes, well, as a prosecutor, there's no doubt. By the
rules of ethics. As an attorney and everything, you have
a duty to be fair. So you have to look
at it. And if you think the person's not guilty
or you're you can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that they're guilty,
you have to say, hey, I'm not going to prosecute
that person. That's just a general way rule of it.

(52:29):
That's your decision. As a defense attorney, you're not like,
you're not supposed to judge guilt or not guilt, guilty
or not guilty. You just have to do the best
you can. If your client tells you I didn't do it,
that's what you need to know. And if you're not,
if you don't go all the way and try as
hard as you can. You will be failing that person
and you will be failing the system. So it's different

(52:50):
when you're a defense attorney than a prosecutor.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Mark Crumbining criminal defense counsel Stirling seven hundred double lub.
You know, let's take this back to this horrible case
about Rhoda Nathan and know with Jones so outside looking in,
this guy, as I understand, it cannot be tried for
this again.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Is that correct?

Speaker 7 (53:08):
Yes, with prejudice, that's what that means.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
So with prejudice, he can't be tried again. Now there's
a question to say what initially had gotten that thrown
in that direction was something that apparently may not be accurate.
So then that does that mean that that case, that order,
that decision should be nullified and not valid because or
or is it because I mean, you either have hepatitis

(53:30):
or you don't have hepatitis in the genetic matter that
was tested, or am I out of the water?

Speaker 6 (53:36):
Well, I think and this is difficult for me. I
don't know all the facts right, but you know, the
hepatitis thing at the beginning was more in favor of
the defendant correct. So the fact that it got thrown
out anyway, even though there was appetitis thing against him
would still be I think in favor of the defendantor Sterling,
you're more logical than I.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but
it's just a horrible that you want justice for the
family and for the woman who lost her life, Miss Nathan,
of course, and you want you know, justice and penalty
and punishment whatever you want to call it for the guilty,
whether it's Elwood Jones or somebody else who maybe has
been free all this time, and he was just in
the bad you know, bad situation, wrong place, wrong time,

(54:18):
bad history, and oddly some injuries that fit sort of
in line with the way they put together this prosecution.
It's tough final thoughts on how about anything in this
or otherwise before I let you go.

Speaker 6 (54:30):
Well, it's really interesting and I think it shows something
that that constantly happens, no matter how sophisticated in scientific things.

Speaker 7 (54:39):
In DNA.

Speaker 6 (54:39):
I had the first DNA murder test murder case in
Cincinnati's history, by the way I tried it. Wow, And
there was something that was that I pointed out without
any scientific knowledge that came true within ten years.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
Well yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
That makes you feel good that you didn't. There wasn't
an up truck, right, And I argued it.

Speaker 6 (54:58):
But I lost anyway. But then my client's case was
commuted by the governor later. Okay, but I figured it out.
It's just a simple logical thing. You know, the testing
would change, it will change, It will change ten years
from now. Now, who would have predicted that, you know,
the test results would be different for the hepatitis. I

(55:18):
don't think anybody could have necessarily predicted that. But you know,
I noticed one basic that drives me crazy, just as
a logical semiological person, is they didn't have the names
on the hepatitis, like the decisions like in nineteen ninety four.
They didn't put so and so hepatitis so and so.
They didn't even have that. They were using numbers. I'm like, ah,

(55:42):
might not put the name. Okay, That's something I noticed
that just as a logical thing.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
I We'll have to have you back because I could.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
I could.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I mean, I have so many questions about this, and
I think most people, and I know mister Waddell's like due,
hurry up, and I'm sorry relate. Let me just say
I appreciate what you do, Mark Crumbink, criminal defense counsel.
I know you got a potential client you gotta meet
after this, and we thank you for making time.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
And it's just a horrible case.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I mean, you want the innocent to be free, the
guilty to be punished and locked away in validation, in
some type of retribution, if nothing, closure for a family
of a victim of something like this. This is ugly
all the way around.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
It's a very upsetting scenario. And there's no two ways
about that.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Thank you for talking. Thank you giving us your insight.
That's Mark Crumbeine Sterling coming back, seven hundred WLW. I
do love Session the Street as a kid man growing up,
that was tremendous. I liked mister Rogers too, but I
got to a certain point.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
I don't know what it was.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I grew up beyond the mister Rodgers and he creeped
me out a little bit. And then years later, with
the niece's nephew, pseudo nieces nephews and so forth, they
were into mister Rogers reruns. And then I started watching
and I was like, oh, I remember, and it made
me feel good. He was like a good dude and
even talking with the little train and the little people
in the make believe world. But what really creeped me out?

(56:58):
And I don't mean any just respect. And I love
CET and I love PBS. So hear me out at
Sterling by the way, hanging out on a Monday for
Gary Jeff who was in on earlier holiday season. We're
all mixed up. It's hard to even know what day
it is, to be honest with you, Uh, but is
we're here and we're enjoying ourselves and trying to have
a good time, uh with the holidays and everything. It's

(57:19):
it's just nice. Hopefully you're doing okay. Five point three
seven four nine seven eight hundred the big one. We
go open up the phones, give you a chance to
get interactive, uh and see how the season is going
and everything along with that.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
It's uh, it's good times.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
And I lost my train of thought thinking about mister
Rogers and uh, you know, the back in the fold
and embracing it and everything else. But I mean, it's
just it's just good. I used to like the Electric
Company with Morgan Freeman before he was the president and
the voiceover for just about everything that was going on.
I think he even voiced and played God at some point.

(57:59):
I remember while watching him on the Electric Company too,
which was always tremendous, and so forth five one, three, seven, nine,
eight hundred the Big One James were Peene conversation with
him talking Bengals, dolphins and the future of the hoode
coming up after eleven o'clock. Uh so, yeah, there is
that happening as well. So uh, since I derailed my

(58:21):
own thought, which is difficult, I blame that on blundhead trauma.
I want to bring something else up. And I've seen this.
It happened once on the way in tonight and once
over the weekend coming home, and then in the neighborhood
walking the dog. A buddy of mine I noticed had
done the same thing. And everybody's doing decorations for the

(58:45):
season in different ways. A buddy of mine, his dog
attacked his big inflatable like Frosty the Snowman. So then
he changed it and it got what looks now like
a big snow globe, and the dog is no longer
allowed all the lead out front. I don't know if
it was the blower in the frosty waving in the wind,

(59:05):
but he was unnerved and attacked, I think, probably to
protect his people, but it was not good for the snowman.
It did not end well, ripped apart just a little bit.
So it's just tough times. But what I don't understand,
and I don't know if it's legal, but it's interesting.

(59:26):
It is all these cars I have seen, and I
don't know if they're selling a blanket wrap for vehicles
with led Christmas lights right now. But driving down seventy
one to get off here at Montgomery Road to do
this show tonight, there was somebody in a white I
couldn't tell. It was a low rider type of car

(59:46):
as sort of a sports car. Thankfully, no bad weather.
I mean it's nice and above freezing, and that's great.
But I literally I thought, what is behind me? Is
the motor passed? I'm not saying it was speeding or not.
I can can neither confirm nor tonine. I don't want
to get anybody in trouble, but I thought it was
like Santa or something, and then I realized, no, it's
just a car loaded with lights and it was I

(01:00:10):
felt festive, I felt good all of a sudden, I
felt warm and fuzzy inside. But then I was also like, man,
how much time does that take? You see these vehicles
in occasion. I used to see it a lot in
and around Coryville in East want At Hills when I
was living there. In and around Eton Park, there were
a couple people that would put all these little weird
knick knacks, like I assume they super glued them. I

(01:00:32):
can't imagine they've belcrowed them to the hood of the
car or the roof of the car, in the trunk
of the vehicle, and they would travel around that way.
I'm like, that's like an iceore. That's troubling. I kind
of liked the led Christmas light thing, however, unlike the
house where I don't have a problem with anybody keeping
their lights on for as long as it is that

(01:00:54):
it makes them happy to celebrate the holiday. I mean,
they can be on now until New Year's. Maybe you
switch to like a Valentine's colors, and then maybe you
switch to Saint Patrick's Day colors, and maybe then you
switch to well, well, I don't know, Opening Day Reds colors,
and then in the summertime for Fourth of July, maybe
you have lights that are red, white, and blue for

(01:01:14):
well these United States of America and are twenty fifth
or two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, I should say, which
is coming up in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
I see all those things, but on the road with those.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Lights all the time, that it's almost a little too much,
a little overwhelming. But it kind of made me feel good,
just the same if I won three, seven, four, nine, seven,
eight hundred, the big one. And speaking of holiday lights,
because I know some people don't like it when their
neighbors keep the lights on all the time, there's a story,
and I want to say it is in California where

(01:01:49):
some people have now gone to court and they're suing
a neighbor because they had had lights on for Christmas.
They apparently had kept festive lights on for much of
the year, and not quite necessarily to the same extent
that I just laid out in color configurations for different
holidays throughout the seasons of the year. But their neighbors

(01:02:10):
say they're too bright. The neighbors say that they're overwhelming,
that it's psychological warfare, and effectively, now that they're going
back and forth on it, and I saw an interview
earlier this afternoon with this couple, and this woman is
literally in tears upset because she doesn't understand why anybody
would have a problem with the Christmas lights or any
of the other lights just in general. And I suppose

(01:02:34):
there is a very subtle line between becoming a nuisance
and an eyesore and some type of problem, because they
would even do it, apparently for Halloween with lights and
big stuff. And I've seen the big skeletons that are
like ten feet tall, maybe eight foot tall at least.
I mean I'm six foot plus, and I've seen some
that are taller than that. And they have dressed the

(01:02:55):
skeletons in like Santa outfits, which I find to be
a black But I don't know where that line is overall,
as long as it's not becoming a sound annoyance, as
long as it's not it lit up like the sun
to where it's you know, bleeding through your you know,
blackout curtains or otherwise, I say, embrace the season, Christmas, Hanka, Kwanza,

(01:03:18):
whatever it is, Bring on Valentine's Day, Saint Patrick's Day,
fourth of July. There's probably some others I can't think of.
In between, but either way, it's it's good times. I'm
looking at Monday Night football in the Red Panda doing
this halftime show, which is pretty wild. It looks like
on a unicycle, which unless you've gone to clown school,

(01:03:39):
there's not a lot of people who were able to
get around on a unicycle, let alone throw like flatware
and dishes and so forth. But she was doing it,
and she's of course in Indianapolis where the forty nine
ers are leading the Colts thirty four to twenty seven
in the fourth quarter now as the forty nine er,
so just taking a kickoff. I'm not doing play by play.

(01:04:00):
I'm just giving you an update if you're driving around
trying to figure out what's going on with the Monday
Night football. James Repene going to join me after the
eleven o'clock report. We'll talk on Bengals, how their Sunday went,
how these next couple of weeks will go for them,
and what it means for twenty twenty six for your
Cincinnati Football Bengals. That's coming up after the eleven o'clock report.
I'm not done yet. There's more to do here on

(01:04:20):
seven hundred WLW. Glad you're alone, Sterling hanging out. Gary
Jeff was on earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
I'm here now. Holidays.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Everybody's different places, different times on the road, they say,
record numbers of people trying to get where they have
to go over the hills and far away to Grandma's
house or wherever else for Christmas or Hanka Klans or
whatever you're into, maybe just a vacation. I have friends
sending me text with pictures of iguanas climbing trees and
Marco Island, Florida. James Rapine headed home from Miami after

(01:04:53):
checking out the Bengals and the dolphins getting it on
down there, and the Bengals get a big dominating abuse
of wind for those fish, which, by the way, it's
like a mammal, right, it's not really a fish, but
they do swim in the sea, and I like a dolphin,
you know what I mean. It was really warm there yesterday,
but I was glad to see the who Day wins
well to pick on James Rapine in his brain about

(01:05:16):
what's coming on after the eleven o'clock report conversation with
him I had, and then some other stuff. So wherever
you're going, in whatever you're doing, I hope it's good,
I know it could make it a whole lot better.
About three minutes and fifty seconds away from right about
now for the next drawing of the power Ball. If
you're keeping score at home, it is one billion, six

(01:05:37):
hundred million dollars in the fool On jackpot, which is
paid out as an annuity over like twenty or thirty
years or whatever it is, or you could get the
cash out value and then taxes after taken out. That
amount is a staggering to me, seven hundred thirty five million,
three hundred thousand dollars. And that's still just an estimate

(01:06:00):
because there's still money. It's being worked out fast carry
outs and drive throughs and wherever else you get tickets
right now they're just printing them like there's nobody's business,
so that number is possibly going to go up at
this point. I have never won really anything, and I
did not get to the tickets for this one, So
in all honesty, I don't mean this disrespectfully. I would

(01:06:22):
like for you to do well in your life. I
would love for you to be able to win. Joe Waddell,
I appreciate you and everything you do. I'm not trying
to weasel out any money if you actually cash in
and the big money. But all I'm saying is I
would like to be able to get into the next drawing.
So if you don't win, now, that's fine with me.
But you know, even the regular measily just start over,

(01:06:45):
begin again. Number is enough for most normal, reasonable, rational
human beings effectively lived the rest of their lives without
much of a worry. And time and time again, what
is amazing to me? And until I guess you've walked
in another shoe, it's hard to necessarily like judge or
at least make sense of a circumstance. But the numbers

(01:07:06):
are outrageous of people who have won fat, historically large jackpots.
And I don't know about internationally, like over in the
UK and other places they have big lotteries, but I
know in the United States the number, I mean, it's
easily beyond like sixty percent of people who cash out big,
they end up often in worse financial situations after the

(01:07:27):
money is won, which I can't process how that could happen.
I mean, you would have to work really hard to
spend that kind of money. And the only thing I
can think of is if you don't have anonymity, you
get overwhelmed by beggars and hangers on and leeches and
sucubus and people trying to just like termites, just suck

(01:07:48):
out every bit of money they can from you, or
people just don't know how to live within your meanings.
And even if it was only a third of the
seven hundred and thirty five million dollars, you're still talking
what two hundred and twenty five two hundred and fifteen
million dollars. Even if you just lived off this simple interest,

(01:08:09):
if you spread that around, if it was just something
ridiculous like all of two or three percent, right, I
mean you would have to struggle. I would have to struggle.
I can't process helping charity after charity, Cincinnati Animal Care
rescues for animals, you know, at risk kids, families issues,
and give people you know the weight off their shoulders.

(01:08:29):
I mean, after you even did all that I just described,
there'd be a fortune left. So hopefully if you win,
you do not become a cautionary tale and someone that
later on, I try to, like quismically, try to make
sense of how the circumstance didn't bode well for you.
I think a lot of people probably are just quietly

(01:08:50):
you keep the anonymity. I don't think I would tell anyone,
I really don't. I mean I would get counsel, I
would get a good CPA, and I would just I
don't think I would changed the way I live or
what I do.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
I'd still show up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Here to do this, which is maybe crazy, but I
mean it's something I love to do, and I mean
that would be effectively, officially what you would call few money, right, Like,
for any particular reason you did not want to deal
with anything you didn't want to deal with, you could go, yeah,
I'm not bothered by that, I'm through with it, and

(01:09:24):
then you could just comfortably, quietly just get up and
walk away, which is probably a big weight off your shoulders,
because what they say is people worrying about stress of
money and you know, finances and the future and health
care cost and everything else is as bad in the
way it affects people who are on the lower end
of that scale, where desperation and unsure you know, outcomes

(01:09:47):
with those things are concerned. It's just as bad as
somebody having a history of heart problems and major health
issues genetically predisposed. So there is a lot of stress
about where the food's gonna come from, and the roof
over your head, and the shoes on your kids feet
and everything. And I would think a billion, six hundred
million dollars would probably cover that worry for the rest

(01:10:11):
of your days and probably generation after generation after that,
at least, I would hope. So so good luck to you.
We'll let you know what those numbers are post haste.
I'm not sure if it's Lee Mallen or in fact
if it's Brady Hopkins, but one of them will be
in the booth giving you news right now that matters
to us here in the tri State and a round
planet Earth on the Home of the Bengals, the best

(01:10:31):
Bengals coverage with James Rapine joining me next talking who Day,
plus the Reds, the Musketeers, the Bearcats, Me Sterling, Gary,
Jeff r Willie, Eddie and Rocky. We're all here, including
Joe Waddell. News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
All right here where you go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
It's the Monday after Sterling hanging out seven hundred wy
W from parts unknown, something money and warmer than your
thousands of the Mason Dition like closer to the Atlantic yea,
the Atlantic nothing, gul What am I talking about? South
Florida bound and homeward bound sooner than later? James Rapine
of course locked on Bengals Cincinnati Bengals talk enter the Jungle,

(01:11:12):
which I think in time for Christmas is still available.
You're still in the warm What is going on?

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
Yeah, I'm living it up, starling every ounce of warmth
I can get.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
I'm gonna take no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
I respect and admire that I want to talk about
this whiplash weather, but it also is a whiplash Bengals
team from being shut out by the Ravens to going
into the Dolphins place in Miami with a rookie quarterback,
and really especially the second half, it seems like they

(01:11:47):
just put on a clinic like they were doing what
you would have expected this Bengals team to do most
of the season.

Speaker 8 (01:11:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's I think there's certainly somewhat could have
been when it comes to watching that offense and Bo
Burrow and Jamar Chase and you know, all of the weapons,
and I think that's it is. T Higgins has battled
the concussion symptoms and everything that he's had.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Well when he was out there, you know, with Jamar
and Joe, you're.

Speaker 8 (01:12:15):
Like, oh man, these guys they're just so good, they're
so special. And you also saw a young defense that
was opportunistic that forced some turnovers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
You know, they forced that fumble, it didn't come to them.

Speaker 8 (01:12:29):
They vetted a pass in the air to force that
second interception, they get off the field on fourth and short, like,
those are big plays that they do deserve credit for,
but it does feel hollow because they improved a five
and ten, right, and that's that's just not where we expected.
That's certainly not where I expected this team to be,

(01:12:50):
and they didn't expect to be there either, And so
I get the hollow feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
And I also understand.

Speaker 8 (01:12:57):
How good it is to see them play the way
they should have played for most of this season.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I think No, I mean, I think that's about as
great of an overview and a sad reality is what
we're all getting. But Chase Brown, you know, scores three
times the defense, like you mentioned, you know, a couple
of what two three take three takeaways. Openly, I mean,
that's huge and it is sort of for not but

(01:13:21):
this is good for their psychology, right, and is it
good for the fan?

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Base and this situation.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
I tell you, I felt a whole lot better yesterday
afternoon and evening than I did a week ago and
going into Christmas week. And I don't know why it should.
It has nothing absolutely to do with me. I didn't play,
I didn't win, but we all seem to walk differently
when that team does well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Yeah, for sure, there's no doubt.

Speaker 8 (01:13:45):
I think that it has such an impact, and it
has such an impact if we go like really high
overview because we know how good they can be with
Joe at quarterback. I was talking to someone before the
game yesterday with the Dolphins, and I won't go any

(01:14:05):
farther because I don't want to get.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Him or her in trouble.

Speaker 8 (01:14:09):
Yes, but he's like, well, he's like, I can't believe
I gave it away right away. But it's so hard
to find that guy at quarterback. And so when you
find it, you do have a little strut in your walk.
You do feel a little more confident because you know
you have a chance. And so as a as a city,

(01:14:31):
and I think as a fan base, Bengals fans look
at it and say, well, if we have Joe, we
have a chance. And for the past three seasons, it
hasn't really felt that way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
It felt it's felt.

Speaker 8 (01:14:41):
Like they've wasted him, and so they need to figure
that out in this offseason. And I think that's my
big takeaway from Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Is, Oh, Joe's still that guy. Jamar still that guy.
He's still that guy.

Speaker 8 (01:14:52):
You can turn this around really fast when you have
those dudes, because everyone else in the league wants those dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
You have them, So it's up to the organization to
turn it around.

Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
And a hurd Yeah, and that really is James Rapine
by the way, from Lockdown Bengals Cincinnati Bengals talk and
enter the jungle of the book, which is perfect for
Christmas time and stocking stuffing if you're looking for something
last minute. Not that this is an ad, it's not,
but I just because I think it's cool and I
got you on the lines and you're hanging out in Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Still, I'm not jealous at all.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
There's two games left, So do they go balls out
to just do what they can against the Cardinals into
the Browns or do you start seeing them work through
some other things and see what else they have? Depth wise,
is they try to figure out off season moves.

Speaker 8 (01:15:40):
No, I think I think they're one hundred percent going
to push forward.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:15:45):
They're already playing a lot of their young guys yea,
And so it's not like there are a bunch of
guys that are just unknowns.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
There are certain guys that I'd like to see more of.

Speaker 8 (01:15:55):
You know, you want mckimmy Jackson getting a bunch of
snaps and to see what he can do. But talking
about a second year defensive tackle, right there's not a
former third round pick.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
There's not like a smar Stewart.

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
Of course, he got to play him and he's healthy
and hopefully that continues. But no, overall, like from a
Joe Burrow Lamar Chase perspective, I think all those guys
are going to play, and I think that this is
going to be a team that pushes for that seven
and ten mark, which again is going to feel hollow.
And I think they are going to be fans that
are disappointed that they put to that hard to get

(01:16:30):
to seven and ten, and they very well could would
not surprise me one bit if they handle business over
the next couple of roots.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
James Rapine was sterling seven hundred WLW locked on Bengals
talking Bengals, and of course a very nice trip for
them to South Florida to take on the Marlins. And
people were upset when I said the fish. I realize
that it is not really a fish, the dolphin. It's
a whole nother thing. It's a mammal. I guess it's
got a blowhole. That's all I know. But that being said,

(01:16:58):
we look at people really were effect they distrol for nothing,
and I kind of enjoy it. But anyway, as you
look at this and you see what the team is
capable of, and you wonder, is it We've joked about
it before, but I mean, did they bear Like do
they build on a burial ground at pay Corps? And

(01:17:19):
what was synergy Riverfront? Is there something beyond this? Because
it seems like, well, if we could just get a
better start, if you can just somehow keep the quarterback healthy.
I mean, it is one thing after another. And I
do realize that only a handful of teams actually get
to the playoffs, and only a handful of teams get
there regularly and get to the super Bowl regularly. But

(01:17:40):
you want to a playoff caliber caliber football team, obviously,
But it just seems like it's all you write this story,
you go, really what happened?

Speaker 8 (01:17:51):
Yeah, yeah, the answer is yes, right. All off season
it was the it was the oh, they got to
start fast, or of course you do, you got to
start past and they did. They started to and oh
all right, well there's still fifteen more games.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
And what they need is they need.

Speaker 8 (01:18:08):
To understand that, yeah, their quarterback might get hurt. The
world can't end. It got to be able to survive.
As great as Joe is, you got to be able
to survive without him. And so how do you build
a roster that puts Joe in position to succeed and
your Super Bowl contenders.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
With him and without him?

Speaker 8 (01:18:23):
You're a competent football team that can go four and
five without him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Let's say he misses nine games again, which he doesn't
want to. They don't want him to. Hopefully he doesn't, right.

Speaker 8 (01:18:32):
But going one in eight without Joe, like if they
had just gone four and five under five hundred average team, right,
it's completely different.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
And they're still they're still on the hunt.

Speaker 8 (01:18:43):
They probably win the division too, you know, because because
some of these some of these games that were kind
of up in the air would have felt different when
Joe comes back, it just feels different.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Everything everything would have changed.

Speaker 8 (01:18:56):
And so that's that's where I'm at is you need
to have a competent team. That whether it's Joe Burrow
or Joe Flacco or one of the other backups. I
don't think it should be Jake Brownie be on record
now and I like Jake, but I think we saw
you know it just it can't work. So whoever that
guy is at quarterback, if Joe goes gets hurt, the

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team around him needs to be good enough to be
an average team, and the coaching around him, by the
way they're coaching around him, needs to be good enough
to be an average team. And that's up to the
front office, the organization, ownership, all of the above to
make sure they push the right buttons of the sawt
season to get that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Part of it bout.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
James Rapine from Cincinnati Bengals talk with Sterling on the
big one. We're short on time. I appreciate you making
it a hanging out in South Florida. You're not like
even at the beach or trying to get out of
there to get back home. How fun is it? By
the way, looking forward to coming back to the tri
State and the cold.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Well, yeah, the cold part I'm not looking forward to.
I am looking forward to being home. Yeah, but the
cold element.

Speaker 8 (01:19:57):
If I could just bring home here, let's just say,
I can say put it that way. Still, no move's
coming anytime soon, but it is always tempting when you
leave one of these tropical places.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Oh yeah, they're like, well let's go back to twenty degrees.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Yeah, it's art worried, but it'll be like fifty sixty.
This Christmas week is weird. I'm sure we'll get punished
for it. I'll take it all day, every day. Yeah,
this defense. They've drafted a lot high picks for a while.
Is it coaching? Is it them not being able to finish?
Aside from how good they looked yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
It's it's a little bit of everything. I think they're young.

Speaker 8 (01:20:38):
I think that some of the draft picks that they're
banking on weren't ready for the roles that they've been
put in.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
But I go back to the off season and just.

Speaker 8 (01:20:50):
Not adding proven guys when you're any win now scenario.
Rookies couldn't be able to walk in the starting zones,
and that's what Demetrius Knight did. I mean he walked
into one. And I'm not being mean to Demetrius. Barrett
Carter essentially did too when they benched Logan Wilson. And
so you're talking about two rookie linebackers, like you should

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have to earn your way onto the field. It should
have to be hard to get into the starting lineup,
and it just isn't. I mean, they're playing all their
rookies right now, substantial time on defense. I mean they
need any and everything, and so the hope would be
that all this experience this season that they learned from
it and can be building blocks moving forward. I do

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think Miles Murphy has been a right spot, like he's
been a guy that has gotten more reps, has shown it.
DJ Berner another one back, still another one. So there
are some guys on defense that I think should start
next year. But man oh man, do they need They
need to add some proven talent this offseason. And I
think that was their biggest mistake coming into this spear.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
Yeah, I think, so, well, go get some boat drinks
or whatever you can get before you hop on that plane.
Tell you not to do that, Stay hydrated, and we'll
look for your Christmas time and into the bank.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Yeah they Yeah, well I.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Don't know who they are that I've been told, you know,
the alcohol in the air, you know, three miles up
going five hundred miles an hour, Yeah, that it will
suck the hydration right out your body.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
But I'm just saying, sitting here where I am looking
outside going out, it seems really extraordinarily warm for the season.
But watching and listening to that game yesterday and having
it look like summertime, I think boat drinks are a
mandatory thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
But that's just me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
I mean, you know, I don't know, Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So it's a Cardinals in town on Sunday, a couple
of days after Christmas, and then of course the Browns
come in after the new year. So we'll see how
they go. You think they win both or or they
go fifty to fifty on this or what, And then
I'll let you go. Not that you're like the prognosticator,
predictor or otherwise.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
But maybe I picked them to brush the Dolphins and
they did that. Now I think you did it.

Speaker 8 (01:23:00):
I think they'll handle business against the Cardinals. The Browns
is a real toss up, and I would consider. I
would consider, especially if you beat the Cardinals kind of
pulling things back in that Browns game.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
I don't think they will, but I would.

Speaker 8 (01:23:14):
Do you want Miles Garrett potentially coming after Jill Burrow
for a sack record?

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Ok? I just don't really want to deal with those problems.
But that's just me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
So you put flack of it. Let him take a
beating for a guy who's almost a senior citizen. I
see how you are sling out.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
You kidding me? I mean there's not enough pads to
keep me safe. I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
But I mean, if I could get the league minimum,
sure even for the Lake minimum. Yeah, all right, sure,
I mean check, I'm trying to get your paid.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Well, I'm glad somebody is. James Rapine, thank you for
looking out for me? My god, where have you been
on my career?

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
A lot? Don't say that now, wait till those hits happened.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Well that's true, that's only it only takes one and
I've already had a few concussions.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
I think it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I have fallen on my head off a piece of
modern art on the Square A downtown, but that's another show.
And another talk. Oh yeah, yeah, that's why I wear
a lot of hats man literally and figuratively. James Rapine,
Cincinnati Bengals Talk. Locked On Bengals, You do it all
and enter the jungle in time. It does sort of
fit in a very large stocking unless you get the
electronic copy if there is one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
There's non electronic copy yet.

Speaker 8 (01:24:22):
If there is, maybe I'll have Sterling do the voice
for it, because it certainly shouldn't beat me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
Oh no, no, no, no, you got to you gotta
find voice. I appreciate you too.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
If I don't talk to you before you and have
a fantastically Christmas time and we'll catch up sooner or later.
And my best of the family rapeen this holiday.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Thanks to appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Take care of yourself. I appreciate you too. That's James Forrapene.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Now we could end up with, you know, thousands of
migrants showing up on the shores of Key West.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
As you know, they run out of food and every