November 1, 2025 • 21 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred wlwsincn
at Hippark with you this morning. Least one Tom Cross.
He's probably hanging from his tree stand by now you know,
went to grab something and fell out and now he's
hanging by his harness. But you know, hopefully somebody finds him.
If not, you know, well good luck to him. That's
(00:21):
all I gotta say. Hey, we're gonna talk to the
Ohio Division of Forestry this morning because I know all
you people out there listening, or at least ninety five
percent are getting ready to head to the woods, whether
it's your property, public land, a least property wherever it
might be, to do a little deer hunting, maybe squirrel hunting.
(00:43):
Uh and you know all things woodsy out there. So
let me bring in Aaron Cash. He is in a
district of the Ohio Division of Forestry in south west Ohio. Aaron,
good morning, and how you doing buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, good morning, Chip. I'm doing very well today and
appreciate you having me on the program.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Absolutely, so you're you are? Are you a regional manager?
Tell tell tell folks out there you know who you
are and what your responsibilities are with Division of Forestry.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, I mean regional managers of a fair assessment. Technically,
my title is the Southwest Service Forestry Coordinator, so I
am one of four coordinators throughout the state. My day
to day largely revolves around managing the Southwest District, which
is an area of about twenty three counties that includes
(01:40):
currently four full time service foresters, one ecological analyst. We
have one vacancy at this time, so hopefully it'll be
fully staffed in the coming weeks or months. Then beyond that,
I also personally offer service forestry services to residents of
Hamil Counties, so I have our Hamilton County myself along
(02:03):
with managing the staff or the other counties associated with
southwestern Ohio.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So you have a service forester for is there one
for just about every county in in your district or
the eighty eight statewide?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, that's a great question. So the entire state, all
eighty eight counties, has a service forester assigned to it.
We don't have enough foresters for every county to have
its own forest or similar to what you might expect
with game wardens, but we currently have I think there's
twenty five positions between four of those being coordinators, the
(02:39):
other twenty one being service foresters. So any given forest
or service forester, their project area that we refer to,
it could range anywhere from two acres potentially up to
eleven and that's largely determined by what part of the
state they're in, how dense the forests cover is. You
(03:00):
get into northwest Ohio, those projects get larger because the
forest become a little more disperse.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Okay, but then then you go over into southeast Ohio
and you got fifteen counties that are totally forested.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's correct, Ohio. Yeah, that's that's where a lot of
our more heavily forested acreages are found. And so you
get down that way, most of the service foresters over
in that part of the state are going to have
two to three county projects just due to the demands
on their time and the capacity that they have. For
Southwest with my district, I think our smallest is four
(03:37):
and then the largest project could be seven counties as
you get into Champagne, Delaware or Harden County up that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, so everybody's winning. What does the service forester do.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's a great question, and we do a lot to
ask you a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Of great questions.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Okay, well, so what a lot of people don't realize
with the state of Ohio, there's eight million acres of
forested acreage statewide.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Of that, six million is privately owned, and more specifically,
it's like five and a half is what we call
non industrial private forest owners. So these are guys or
families that own a back forty that they go out
and hunt. They might tap maple syrup, they produce timber.
(04:27):
That's our focus. Service Forestry is entirely devoted to forwards
private land management assistance throughout the state of Ohio. So
we offer a lot of different things. That really what
it boils down to is information education, technical services for
people that want to learn more about what they own
(04:49):
and how to sustainably and properly manage it. And that's
through several different kind of key programs. But that's the
overa and we are. We're a staff of twenty five
people trying to influence over six million, or just about
six million acres of privately held ground across the entire state.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That's a lot to bite off, but you hold that thought.
Aaron Cash with the Ohio Division of Forestry, we got
to hit a short break, come back, we'll talk about
programs that those of you out there owning property can
use with that hitting a brake, Chip Park The Big
Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati, whom of the
(05:30):
best Bengals coverage back in a.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Moment, Bloat, you're telling me they don't w.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Pay, We're back The Big Outdoors News Radio, seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Chipark. My guess is Aaron Cash.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
He's a service forester with the Ohio Division of Forestry.
And what we're going to cover, I mean, essentially, what
we're covering, even though he is in a certain district,
really has applications to all of Ohio. And and I
have a personal interest in this aeron because uh as
a as a landowner and uh having timbered property. Uh,
(06:10):
let's see three times in fifty years. You know there,
there's really a lot that goes into it. If that
happens to be your you know, your interests. But nonetheless,
are you know your forest private or public? Really it
really needs to be really it needs to be managed
with that, you know without question. So what are the
(06:31):
you know, the kinds of programs that that would be
available out there regardless of the property size.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, state statewide service Forestry. We there are several different
things we helped facilitate and and we wear a lot
of different hasks. But the core, the core pieces, and
what I feel is probably are our largest UH value
to landowners in the state is what we call our
call before You Cut program. And this is a service
that is free to to landowners if they are thinking
(07:02):
about conducting a timber sale, if they've been approached by
a logging entity and they want to just slow down
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
This weekend daylight savings time ends. Why because that's what
Americans do. When we wanted to cook a frozen burrito
in a minute, we invented the microwave and cook that burrito.
Cos that's what Americans do. And when we want the
sun to rise earlier, we change time cause that's what
(07:31):
Americans do. So this weekend, set your clocks back one hour.
Couse that's what Americans do. We're a reminder from seven
hundred WLW.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
They we're back the.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW since night Simpark.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
My guest is Aaron Cash.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He's a service forester with the Ohio Division of Forestry
and what we're going to cover. I mean, essentially, what
we're covering, even though he is in a certain district,
really has applications to all of Ohio. And and I
have a personal interest in this aeron because uh as
a as a landowner and uh having timbered property. Uh
(08:12):
let's see three times in fifty years. You know there
there's really a lot that goes into it. If that
happens to be your you know, your interests. But nonetheless,
are you know your forest private or public? Really it
really needs to be it really it needs to be managed.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
With you know, without question.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So what are the you know, the kinds of programs
that that would be available out there regardless of the
property size.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, State state Wide Service Forestry. We there's several different
things we helped facilitate and and we wear a lot
of different hats, but the core, the core pieces, and
what I feel is probably are our largest uh value
to landowners in the state is what we call our
call before You Cut program. And this is a service
that is free to landowners if they are thinking about
(09:05):
conducting a timber sale, if they've been approached by a
logging entity and they want to just slow down a
little bit before they agree to anything, or if they're
just in the initial stages and they're going to go
out and solicit interest. We love to be that first
resource where we go out, we can walk the property,
(09:25):
get eyes on the forest and the current condition, resource concerns,
and pair that with what the landowner objectives are. Then determined,
does the timber harvesting really make sense? And so we
view harvesting as a management tool and when used properly,
it can have tremendous impacts, positive impacts on your forest habitat.
(09:49):
But you got to do it the right way. And
I think oftentimes throughout the state, a lot of people
undervalue what they own. They may not understand what they're
agreeing to when they engage in a timber sale. What
a lot of people don't realize. Ohio ranks number one
in hardwood furniture production in the entire country. We're all,
(10:11):
it's a it's a it's a big deal. And then
also top in just in hardwood number production. So if
you look at the entire forest products industry for Ohio,
it has an annual economic impact of over thirty eight
billion dollars per year. So it's it's not an insignificant industry.
This is a this is a It's a powerful piece
(10:33):
of the economic pie of Ohio, and most of it
is held again with private landowners. So we we go out.
There's no cost, it's it's unbiased advice to try to
educate on what you have and depends on what you
do what the outcomes of those decisions would be. Beyond that,
we also offer a tax reduction property tax reduction program
(10:57):
called Ohio Forest Tax Law Program that there are some
parameters that if you're eligible, that essentially incentivizes good sustainable
management by reducing one's property taxes applicable to their forest
at acreage. There is a minimum of ten acres of
woods to qualify, along some other things that they're interested
(11:18):
in that they could certainly learn more from their service force.
Or then we move into more just general guidance and assistance.
So let's say you inherited a property from your grandpa
and you've never been out there before and you don't
know sugar maple from wide oak. You know, we could
be that guidance to come out and teach about what
(11:40):
you have things to be aware of what your options
might be moving forward. And then the other piece that
we spend a lot of time on sort of seasonally
is assisting with federal costs. Are programs that are offered
mostly through the USDA and specifically the Natural Resource Conservation Service,
(12:01):
and those programs potentially can provide financial assistance to landowners
to implement forest re improving practices on their property. They're
not ours, not our contract, it's not our money, but
we sort of serve as a subcontractor to implement and
technical guidance for that. And if you're interested in that,
(12:23):
you really have to start with the RCS as the
beginning steps to learn more.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Well, you might you might.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Want to wait till the government reopen since it's probably yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, ahead.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You're a lot of you know, you're a lot of
out of office messages right now. So so beyond that,
we also do just technical implementation. So if you're interested
in let's say you have a maturity stand we could
do things like crop to release or timber marketing. It's
a wide variety of services, it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Is, and I mean there's a lot there that benefit
to you know, the landowners in Ohio, and you know
there's things similar to this in every other state and
We're heard in thirty two states, so you know we're
not speaking out of turn here, but it's pretty much
something every state probably does. Aaron Cash, Ohio Divisional Foresterry.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You sit tight. We got to hit a short break.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And everybody stick around to Gary Jeff and has cast
the characters come after the news at the bottom of
the hour with that Chippart the Big Outdoors News Radio
seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, home of the best Bengals covering
you are tuned.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
The Big Outdoors.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
There's radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati. Chip Hart, my guess
is Aaron Cash with the Ohio Divisional Forestry. And quite frankly,
I should have done this a long time ago and
not sat on my hands for thirty years, but it
was always a you know, we probably touched on it
here and there, but anyway, we're here now we're gonna
do something regular out there. Just a case in point, Aaron.
(13:57):
You know, when I had timbered harvest done the second
time I did it, I hired a timber manager, which
actually was he was retired from the Ohio Divisional Forestry
and he managed my entire timber harvest.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And what a God send.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And you know, he crawled those hills and everything and
did a had did a fantastic job. And I got
to throw this out there too. You know, you don't
just want to hire a logger to come in, Okay,
especially not, you know, not just don't do it.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That's my suggestion.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You really got to do the things that that Aaron
is talking about, if you want to speak to that point,
because you know that's I mean, that's a step you
can't turn back in.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Time, correct, I would. That's a great point hip where
timber harvesting, while it can be very beneficial, it's also
a very easy way to uh ruin your woods for generations.
And so you could have the best of intentions and
without the right guidance and knowledge, be making some really
(15:10):
long lasting impacts that are going to adversely affect your
ability to properly manage going forward. So loggings and loggers
are important, and so we need, yeah, we need laggers
to to come in, sell the trees, extract them using
(15:30):
best best management practices, haul those to the mill, and
produce products with it. But I view foresters as a
different skill set where it's almost like the analogy of
an architect and a builder. You need both of those
pieces to have a successful project. In my mind, you
need both. You need both a forester and a logger
(15:50):
with a timber sale. So while we the Service Forestry
cannot appraise timber, we can't actively sell timber for you,
but we can't teach you and help thisabilitate and ultimately
try to get you paired with a private consulting forester
that can come in and assess the value of the
timber and select the trees to come out and solicit
(16:11):
bids and you want competition from buyers. That helps the
marketability of the timber and hopefully you make more money
that process. I used to do that before at my
current role now in s help US Ohio and did
a number of sales and what my experience was, even
with my cost involved, landowners would always make more money
(16:31):
through a lump sum bid process and then the quality
to cut is generally better than what they would find
otherwise with working with a logger directly, not to say
you can't do that successfully, you can, but but you
really have to know what you're doing and who you're
working with, and understand the parameters and really stress the
(16:51):
importance of what's on that contract that you're signing, because
you can't. You can't assume anything. It's got to be
written down and agreed upon on and so details matter.
If you get nothing else out of this, details matter.
And that's why with our Department of Service Forestry, we
love being that first wave, the first boots on the ground,
(17:13):
so to speak, because there's no cost. We have no
incentive whether you decide to sell or not, because our
paycheck doesn't depend upon it. We just want to inform
and give good advice, and then ultimately the landowner gets
to decide what makes sense for them, and I'm completely
fine with that. They own the property, that they have taxes,
they should have the final say. And so if we
(17:34):
can support that in a sustainable way and try to
steer the woods to becoming healthier, more productive, have good
species composition, be conducive to goals, be wildlife, habitat aesthetics
a place that you want to be and recreate in.
All those things can be done as long as you
take your time and get educated and try to utilize
(17:56):
the resources that are available to you through the division
of force.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, I don't think you could have put it any better.
You know, we had to get a lot into this
short half hour, which amounts to about twenty minutes the
fastest half hour and radio here at the big one
as I've been told. But how best for people to
make contact with the division?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Great, that's very important. We are available, We are accessible.
To find your service forester hop online Google how a
division of forestry service forester and you'll find a map
and that map will have a project assigned to it
and naming a phone number and call that individual and
get on their calendar.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, that's fantastic. Garon Cash.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I know we're gonna circle back probably a few times
between now and spring, and I know I want to
get back with you in about a month. We're going
to talk about the health of our forests and things
like that, and it's all great stuff for the outdoorsmen
out there, you know, whether you hunt, fish or hike
or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So Aaron, thank you very much, thank you to be here.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
All right, fantastic with that, got to hit another break
and uh, some little tidbits for for you to think
about in your in your tree stand this morning. Chip
Harden seven hundred WLW through at w l W sin
Sny Chipart with you for the next two minutes until
Gary Jeff drags his cast of characters in and and
(19:24):
you know he is a legend, and so is Michael
k Allen with you know, he takes off his hat.
He got no hair. But that's that's okay. It's a
you know, just uh, just miserable when it rains. Okay,
that's all. Hey, interest big big news, Danny, shut up,
big news. The reciprocal fishing agreements with Kentucky and it's
(19:46):
neighboring states for fishing and waterfowl hunting are back in place.
So those affect the Ohio River, uh Dale Hollow, the
Big South Fork of Cumberland, the Big Sandy tug Forth River,
tug Tug Fork River, Kentucky Lake, the Mississippi River. And likewise,
(20:07):
if you have an Ohio fishing license, you can fit
you know, fish on the Kentucky border includes all the
dams and everything. So it's all back in place, people,
So just uh And likewise, for those of Kentucky to fish,
you up, you know, the neighboring states you know that
were there previously. So that's the big news on that
on that front. Otherwise, uh, the three counties and Athens,
(20:31):
Meagues of Washington. Here in Ohio, I've reduced their harvest
of from three deer to two deer effective December one,
twenty twenty five. Because of the just humongous EHD outbreak,
A lot of people wanted to just close the season,
(20:52):
but uh, there was I guess.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Uh DNR didn't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But anyway, the responses there were over thirteen h responses
on that, which is the biggest that the Wildlife Counsel's
ever had. So that's your news this morning. Gary Jeff
will have everything else that you need to know. I
think with that, I'm out of here. Chip Hart, the
Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati'd be safe
(21:18):
in the woods, safe in the water, and safe in
that tree stand.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It's CyberSecure.
Welcome to the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred wlwsincn
at Hippark with you this morning. Least one Tom Cross.
He's probably hanging from his tree stand by now you know,
went to grab something and fell out and now he's
hanging by his harness. But you know, hopefully somebody finds him.
If not, you know, well good luck to him. That's
(00:21):
all I gotta say. Hey, we're gonna talk to the
Ohio Division of Forestry this morning because I know all
you people out there listening, or at least ninety five
percent are getting ready to head to the woods, whether
it's your property, public land, a least property wherever it
might be, to do a little deer hunting, maybe squirrel hunting.
(00:43):
Uh and you know all things woodsy out there. So
let me bring in Aaron Cash. He is in a
district of the Ohio Division of Forestry in south west Ohio. Aaron,
good morning, and how you doing buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, good morning, Chip. I'm doing very well today and
appreciate you having me on the program.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Absolutely, so you're you are? Are you a regional manager?
Tell tell tell folks out there you know who you
are and what your responsibilities are with Division of Forestry.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, I mean regional managers of a fair assessment. Technically,
my title is the Southwest Service Forestry Coordinator, so I
am one of four coordinators throughout the state. My day
to day largely revolves around managing the Southwest District, which
is an area of about twenty three counties that includes
(01:40):
currently four full time service foresters, one ecological analyst. We
have one vacancy at this time, so hopefully it'll be
fully staffed in the coming weeks or months. Then beyond that,
I also personally offer service forestry services to residents of
Hamil Counties, so I have our Hamilton County myself along
(02:03):
with managing the staff or the other counties associated with
southwestern Ohio.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So you have a service forester for is there one
for just about every county in in your district or
the eighty eight statewide?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, that's a great question. So the entire state, all
eighty eight counties, has a service forester assigned to it.
We don't have enough foresters for every county to have
its own forest or similar to what you might expect
with game wardens, but we currently have I think there's
twenty five positions between four of those being coordinators, the
(02:39):
other twenty one being service foresters. So any given forest
or service forester, their project area that we refer to,
it could range anywhere from two acres potentially up to
eleven and that's largely determined by what part of the
state they're in, how dense the forests cover is. You
(03:00):
get into northwest Ohio, those projects get larger because the
forest become a little more disperse.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Okay, but then then you go over into southeast Ohio
and you got fifteen counties that are totally forested.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's correct, Ohio. Yeah, that's that's where a lot of
our more heavily forested acreages are found. And so you
get down that way, most of the service foresters over
in that part of the state are going to have
two to three county projects just due to the demands
on their time and the capacity that they have. For
Southwest with my district, I think our smallest is four
(03:37):
and then the largest project could be seven counties as
you get into Champagne, Delaware or Harden County up that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, so everybody's winning. What does the service forester do.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
That's a great question, and we do a lot to
ask you a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Of great questions.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Okay, well, so what a lot of people don't realize
with the state of Ohio, there's eight million acres of
forested acreage statewide.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Of that, six million is privately owned, and more specifically,
it's like five and a half is what we call
non industrial private forest owners. So these are guys or
families that own a back forty that they go out
and hunt. They might tap maple syrup, they produce timber.
(04:27):
That's our focus. Service Forestry is entirely devoted to forwards
private land management assistance throughout the state of Ohio. So
we offer a lot of different things. That really what
it boils down to is information education, technical services for
people that want to learn more about what they own
(04:49):
and how to sustainably and properly manage it. And that's
through several different kind of key programs. But that's the
overa and we are. We're a staff of twenty five
people trying to influence over six million, or just about
six million acres of privately held ground across the entire state.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That's a lot to bite off, but you hold that thought.
Aaron Cash with the Ohio Division of Forestry, we got
to hit a short break, come back, we'll talk about
programs that those of you out there owning property can
use with that hitting a brake, Chip Park The Big
Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati, whom of the
(05:30):
best Bengals coverage back in a.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Moment, Bloat, you're telling me they don't w.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Pay, We're back The Big Outdoors News Radio, seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Chipark. My guess is Aaron Cash.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
He's a service forester with the Ohio Division of Forestry.
And what we're going to cover, I mean, essentially, what
we're covering, even though he is in a certain district,
really has applications to all of Ohio. And and I
have a personal interest in this aeron because uh as
a as a landowner and uh having timbered property. Uh,
(06:10):
let's see three times in fifty years. You know there,
there's really a lot that goes into it. If that
happens to be your you know, your interests. But nonetheless,
are you know your forest private or public? Really it
really needs to be really it needs to be managed
with that, you know without question. So what are the
(06:31):
you know, the kinds of programs that that would be
available out there regardless of the property size.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, state statewide service Forestry. We there are several different
things we helped facilitate and and we wear a lot
of different hasks. But the core, the core pieces, and
what I feel is probably are our largest UH value
to landowners in the state is what we call our
call before You Cut program. And this is a service
that is free to to landowners if they are thinking
(07:02):
about conducting a timber sale, if they've been approached by
a logging entity and they want to just slow down
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
This weekend daylight savings time ends. Why because that's what
Americans do. When we wanted to cook a frozen burrito
in a minute, we invented the microwave and cook that burrito.
Cos that's what Americans do. And when we want the
sun to rise earlier, we change time cause that's what
(07:31):
Americans do. So this weekend, set your clocks back one hour.
Couse that's what Americans do. We're a reminder from seven
hundred WLW.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
They we're back the.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW since night Simpark.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
My guest is Aaron Cash.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
He's a service forester with the Ohio Division of Forestry
and what we're going to cover. I mean, essentially, what
we're covering, even though he is in a certain district,
really has applications to all of Ohio. And and I
have a personal interest in this aeron because uh as
a as a landowner and uh having timbered property. Uh
(08:12):
let's see three times in fifty years. You know there
there's really a lot that goes into it. If that
happens to be your you know, your interests. But nonetheless,
are you know your forest private or public? Really it
really needs to be it really it needs to be managed.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
With you know, without question.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
So what are the you know, the kinds of programs
that that would be available out there regardless of the
property size.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, State state Wide Service Forestry. We there's several different
things we helped facilitate and and we wear a lot
of different hats, but the core, the core pieces, and
what I feel is probably are our largest uh value
to landowners in the state is what we call our
call before You Cut program. And this is a service
that is free to landowners if they are thinking about
(09:05):
conducting a timber sale, if they've been approached by a
logging entity and they want to just slow down a
little bit before they agree to anything, or if they're
just in the initial stages and they're going to go
out and solicit interest. We love to be that first
resource where we go out, we can walk the property,
(09:25):
get eyes on the forest and the current condition, resource concerns,
and pair that with what the landowner objectives are. Then determined,
does the timber harvesting really make sense? And so we
view harvesting as a management tool and when used properly,
it can have tremendous impacts, positive impacts on your forest habitat.
(09:49):
But you got to do it the right way. And
I think oftentimes throughout the state, a lot of people
undervalue what they own. They may not understand what they're
agreeing to when they engage in a timber sale. What
a lot of people don't realize. Ohio ranks number one
in hardwood furniture production in the entire country. We're all,
(10:11):
it's a it's a it's a big deal. And then
also top in just in hardwood number production. So if
you look at the entire forest products industry for Ohio,
it has an annual economic impact of over thirty eight
billion dollars per year. So it's it's not an insignificant industry.
This is a this is a It's a powerful piece
(10:33):
of the economic pie of Ohio, and most of it
is held again with private landowners. So we we go out.
There's no cost, it's it's unbiased advice to try to
educate on what you have and depends on what you
do what the outcomes of those decisions would be. Beyond that,
we also offer a tax reduction property tax reduction program
(10:57):
called Ohio Forest Tax Law Program that there are some
parameters that if you're eligible, that essentially incentivizes good sustainable
management by reducing one's property taxes applicable to their forest
at acreage. There is a minimum of ten acres of
woods to qualify, along some other things that they're interested
(11:18):
in that they could certainly learn more from their service force.
Or then we move into more just general guidance and assistance.
So let's say you inherited a property from your grandpa
and you've never been out there before and you don't
know sugar maple from wide oak. You know, we could
be that guidance to come out and teach about what
(11:40):
you have things to be aware of what your options
might be moving forward. And then the other piece that
we spend a lot of time on sort of seasonally
is assisting with federal costs. Are programs that are offered
mostly through the USDA and specifically the Natural Resource Conservation Service,
(12:01):
and those programs potentially can provide financial assistance to landowners
to implement forest re improving practices on their property. They're
not ours, not our contract, it's not our money, but
we sort of serve as a subcontractor to implement and
technical guidance for that. And if you're interested in that,
(12:23):
you really have to start with the RCS as the
beginning steps to learn more.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Well, you might you might.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Want to wait till the government reopen since it's probably yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, ahead.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You're a lot of you know, you're a lot of
out of office messages right now. So so beyond that,
we also do just technical implementation. So if you're interested
in let's say you have a maturity stand we could
do things like crop to release or timber marketing. It's
a wide variety of services, it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Is, and I mean there's a lot there that benefit
to you know, the landowners in Ohio, and you know
there's things similar to this in every other state and
We're heard in thirty two states, so you know we're
not speaking out of turn here, but it's pretty much
something every state probably does. Aaron Cash, Ohio Divisional Foresterry.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You sit tight. We got to hit a short break.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And everybody stick around to Gary Jeff and has cast
the characters come after the news at the bottom of
the hour with that Chippart the Big Outdoors News Radio
seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, home of the best Bengals covering
you are tuned.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
The Big Outdoors.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
There's radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati. Chip Hart, my guess
is Aaron Cash with the Ohio Divisional Forestry. And quite frankly,
I should have done this a long time ago and
not sat on my hands for thirty years, but it
was always a you know, we probably touched on it
here and there, but anyway, we're here now we're gonna
do something regular out there. Just a case in point, Aaron.
(13:57):
You know, when I had timbered harvest done the second
time I did it, I hired a timber manager, which
actually was he was retired from the Ohio Divisional Forestry
and he managed my entire timber harvest.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And what a God send.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And you know, he crawled those hills and everything and
did a had did a fantastic job. And I got
to throw this out there too. You know, you don't
just want to hire a logger to come in, Okay,
especially not, you know, not just don't do it.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That's my suggestion.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You really got to do the things that that Aaron
is talking about, if you want to speak to that point,
because you know that's I mean, that's a step you
can't turn back in.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Time, correct, I would. That's a great point hip where
timber harvesting, while it can be very beneficial, it's also
a very easy way to uh ruin your woods for generations.
And so you could have the best of intentions and
without the right guidance and knowledge, be making some really
(15:10):
long lasting impacts that are going to adversely affect your
ability to properly manage going forward. So loggings and loggers
are important, and so we need, yeah, we need laggers
to to come in, sell the trees, extract them using
(15:30):
best best management practices, haul those to the mill, and
produce products with it. But I view foresters as a
different skill set where it's almost like the analogy of
an architect and a builder. You need both of those
pieces to have a successful project. In my mind, you
need both. You need both a forester and a logger
(15:50):
with a timber sale. So while we the Service Forestry
cannot appraise timber, we can't actively sell timber for you,
but we can't teach you and help thisabilitate and ultimately
try to get you paired with a private consulting forester
that can come in and assess the value of the
timber and select the trees to come out and solicit
(16:11):
bids and you want competition from buyers. That helps the
marketability of the timber and hopefully you make more money
that process. I used to do that before at my
current role now in s help US Ohio and did
a number of sales and what my experience was, even
with my cost involved, landowners would always make more money
(16:31):
through a lump sum bid process and then the quality
to cut is generally better than what they would find
otherwise with working with a logger directly, not to say
you can't do that successfully, you can, but but you
really have to know what you're doing and who you're
working with, and understand the parameters and really stress the
(16:51):
importance of what's on that contract that you're signing, because
you can't. You can't assume anything. It's got to be
written down and agreed upon on and so details matter.
If you get nothing else out of this, details matter.
And that's why with our Department of Service Forestry, we
love being that first wave, the first boots on the ground,
(17:13):
so to speak, because there's no cost. We have no
incentive whether you decide to sell or not, because our
paycheck doesn't depend upon it. We just want to inform
and give good advice, and then ultimately the landowner gets
to decide what makes sense for them, and I'm completely
fine with that. They own the property, that they have taxes,
they should have the final say. And so if we
(17:34):
can support that in a sustainable way and try to
steer the woods to becoming healthier, more productive, have good
species composition, be conducive to goals, be wildlife, habitat aesthetics
a place that you want to be and recreate in.
All those things can be done as long as you
take your time and get educated and try to utilize
(17:56):
the resources that are available to you through the division
of force.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Well, I don't think you could have put it any better.
You know, we had to get a lot into this
short half hour, which amounts to about twenty minutes the
fastest half hour and radio here at the big one
as I've been told. But how best for people to
make contact with the division?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Great, that's very important. We are available, We are accessible.
To find your service forester hop online Google how a
division of forestry service forester and you'll find a map
and that map will have a project assigned to it
and naming a phone number and call that individual and
get on their calendar.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Well, that's fantastic. Garon Cash.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I know we're gonna circle back probably a few times
between now and spring, and I know I want to
get back with you in about a month. We're going
to talk about the health of our forests and things
like that, and it's all great stuff for the outdoorsmen
out there, you know, whether you hunt, fish or hike
or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So Aaron, thank you very much, thank you to be here.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
All right, fantastic with that, got to hit another break
and uh, some little tidbits for for you to think
about in your in your tree stand this morning. Chip
Harden seven hundred WLW through at w l W sin
Sny Chipart with you for the next two minutes until
Gary Jeff drags his cast of characters in and and
(19:24):
you know he is a legend, and so is Michael
k Allen with you know, he takes off his hat.
He got no hair. But that's that's okay. It's a
you know, just uh, just miserable when it rains. Okay,
that's all. Hey, interest big big news, Danny, shut up,
big news. The reciprocal fishing agreements with Kentucky and it's
(19:46):
neighboring states for fishing and waterfowl hunting are back in place.
So those affect the Ohio River, uh Dale Hollow, the
Big South Fork of Cumberland, the Big Sandy tug Forth River,
tug Tug Fork River, Kentucky Lake, the Mississippi River. And likewise,
(20:07):
if you have an Ohio fishing license, you can fit
you know, fish on the Kentucky border includes all the
dams and everything. So it's all back in place, people,
So just uh And likewise, for those of Kentucky to fish,
you up, you know, the neighboring states you know that
were there previously. So that's the big news on that
on that front. Otherwise, uh, the three counties and Athens,
(20:31):
Meagues of Washington. Here in Ohio, I've reduced their harvest
of from three deer to two deer effective December one,
twenty twenty five. Because of the just humongous EHD outbreak,
A lot of people wanted to just close the season,
(20:52):
but uh, there was I guess.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Uh DNR didn't want to do that.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But anyway, the responses there were over thirteen h responses
on that, which is the biggest that the Wildlife Counsel's
ever had. So that's your news this morning. Gary Jeff
will have everything else that you need to know. I
think with that, I'm out of here. Chip Hart, the
Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati'd be safe
(21:18):
in the woods, safe in the water, and safe in
that tree stand.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
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