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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bull's coverage and jumping right to it, which you know,
when you've got twenty minutes of time on Saturday morning
between five and five thirty, you can't screw around.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Otherwise, Gary Jeff, the news team will open fire if
and when they're paying attention.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Am I correct?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Any?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yes, you are correct? Okay, good, we got that straight.
Gary Jeff will get very angry at me and start
cursing and using things I can't sail on the air.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
That's right, even though under our brock. Okay, yeah, absolutely.
John Navarro joins me. He is a biologist with the
Ohio Divisional Wildlife under ODNR and has an area of
expertise which is aquatic diverse diversity conservation management.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And that's a lot for five am in the morning, John,
I gotta tell you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It is. So.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The article came out two weeks back about the aquatic
habitat biologist and being taxed with new missions.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Uh, they are under your purview.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So give us an idea what this means, because you know,
God does I do know quite a few young men
and women that we are interested in this area of study,
and so you know, I want to get them a
little born to work with here since things are changing
out there pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
So yeah, So we have a new position. It's called
Aquatic Habitat Biologists, and the idea of it is the
divisional Wildlife manages all species, not just what we pursue
with hook and bullet, so which is still our core
core audience, our core constituency, but we also manage critters
(01:46):
that people don't pursue, and some of them are are
very rare and cool. So we thought, with the interest
in aquatic diversity trustrialsity, that maybe we should have this
expertise in house. So our staff are all versed in
(02:07):
sport fish, but we really were lacking the expertise in
the other critters. So that's what this position is. It's
going to work with the non game uh species, you know, fish, muscles,
that kind of thing, and they're going to become our
(02:28):
in house experts. So we have three of them right now,
one in south west Ohio, one in Central Ohio, and
one in Northeast Ohio. And we're looking to hire two more,
one in northwest Ohio and one in Southeast Ohio, so
eventually we'll have one in each district that will provide
(02:50):
expertise in aquatic diversity.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So do they report to the district office or do
they report to Columbus specifically?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, that's interesting. So our district operations are not managed
by me, so they do report to the district manager,
but I provide programmatic direction.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Okay, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So where did you get the biological information in the past? Uh?
Even though I know that you know staff wise, you know,
every all of your all of your people know a
lot about a lot when it comes down to it,
you know, So where did that come from?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Initially? So the idea that I know, I mean the
you know this.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
If this type of biologist was on staff, where was
that information coming from?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Biological?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So right, So we have a really good relationship with
with species experts out there. So like if there was
a muscle question, I would go to the folks at
os U, yeah, or hellbenders. We have someone that we
pay through OSU to do our hellbender research and all
(04:07):
the other amphibians and reptiles. So basically, if there was
a question I couldn't answer, I would go to our partners.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Outside, which is fine, but I really, I really thought,
and Chief Wecker thought, and Todd Haynes, our assistant chief,
thought it would be really good to have that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Expertise in house. So so that's where the direction we went.
And so these people will be well versed on everything diversity.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Okay, great, well, and of course your universities are spitting
out the people that would be uh. I guess you know,
qualified through education for positions like this.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So I it makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Than a lot of things I've heard out there. So
John Navarro, you sit tight. We got to hit a
short break, Chip Hart, I guess John Navarro with Ohio
Divisional Wildlife, Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati,
LW Cincinnati, Chip Hart, and my guest is John Navarro.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And if you hang around long enough.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Gary Jeff Walker and his cast of characters will be
up at the afternoon news who Who on the at
the bottom of the hour after the bottom and taking
you at nine am. And Michael k Allen likely with
his rants and raves across the world, his worldview of things,
which is it's quite fractured anyway, but no, he's you know,
(05:43):
you're talking about the best radio on Saturday in Cincinnati
between five am and noon for crying out loud, So anyway,
John Navarro, Divisional Wildlife moving to the sturgeon stocking program,
which I I think is very cool. I've you know,
never had the opportunity to like outlast. It's a big
(06:07):
deal to fish for Okay, I guess what the Columbia
River and some other places like that, and it was
native originally to to I guess Lake Erie. And so
tell me where we're at at this point in time.
And is that a different I guess a different species
of sturgeon.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
No, So the species we're talking about are lake sturgeon,
which are native to the Great Lakes. But because of
the building of dams, water quality issues, and persecution. To
be honest with you, they weren't very well loved back
in the eighteen hundreds that they basically pretty much disappeared
(06:49):
from Lake Erie. So water quality improvements through the Clean
Water Act, which is fifty years old, right, a great
piece of legislation. It's a amazing how the water quality
in Ohio and around the country has improved. So we're
at a point where we felt that we could reintroduce
(07:12):
lake sturgeons. So we started on the Mammie River in
twenty eighteen with a partnership with the Toledo Zoo. So
Toledo Zoo is raising half the fish, and half of
them come from Genoa Fish Hatchery in Wisconsin. And the
idea is we wanted to look if it's important for
(07:32):
these fish to imprint with the local water so they
know how to come back to their natal water body. So, okay,
half of them are raised on Mommy water and half
of them are raised on Wisconsin water. They all get
released at the same time, and it'll take a while
because they are long lived. You know, they'll live to
(07:54):
be one hundred years old. They'll get six feet long,
two hundred pounds, so they're slow to mature. It'll be
a while before we see the results of that study.
All the fish have a pit tag in them, which
is a little transmitter the size of a grain of rice,
and you can detect it with a wand And so
we're going to be releasing those for the next twenty
(08:18):
plus years, trying to establish a population in the Maumee River.
What's really exciting is this year we added the Sandusky River,
and most exciting was the Cuyahoga River. We released Lake
sturgeon this year and so at that release thank you
Cleveland Metro Parks for hosting the event. Sure the backdrop
(08:40):
was the Cleveland or was the Cuyahoga River, which fifty
years ago was on fire.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Now we all know that.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, and was the catalyst for the Clean Water Act.
So past forward fifty years to this year, we're releasing
an endangered fish into the Cuyahoga River in downtown Cleveland.
So it's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It is amazing. So what do they what's it? What
do they primarily feed on?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So they're a bottom feeder, so I think they're so cool.
They're prehistoric. They're around when the dinosaurs are around, and
they look like a shark, so they kind of look
intimidating when they're six feet long, but they don't worry.
They're not going to eat you. They eat stuff off
the bottom, so aquatic insects, you know, small muscles, maybe
(09:30):
fish every once in a while. So they're a bottom
feeder so that's mainly what they eat.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So will they eat the zebra muscle?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I'm sure if they come across it, they'll.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
They'll eat it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Okay, Yeah, hell, were there any pre existing like a
blake sturgeon?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
There is relic populations in Lake Erie. Yeah, there is
still a population in Wisconsin, and the Detroit River actually
has them to So that's where we got our eggs
for the production.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, I got it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I got to believe that you know, through the H
two Ohio and the removal of you know, certain dams
on certain rivers that maybe you know, we're in that
Lake Erie watershed, that that that's a big positive too
for their I guess migratory ability to.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
To uh you know, to to to breed and so
on and so forth. So John sid tight, we got
to hit a break.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Come back, we'll talk more about uh, well, we're going
to talk about the invasive carp Lake Erie tributaries. Chip Hart,
John Navarro, Ohio Divisional Wildlife, The Big Outdoors News Radio,
seven hundred w l W, Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Back in the moment, go seven hundred w l W, The.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Big Outdoors News Radio, seven hundred w l W, Cincinnati.
I am excited about this subject matter, Danny, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes, And and because you.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Know, not only our sport fish cool well, we love
to catch them, but also you know the other native
fish and critters that make up this whole ecosystem, and
Ohio's it, you know, we're in pretty good shape. Okay,
nothing against our neighbors, because you're all listening to me too.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
You guys got cool stuff too.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
We'll get to it if I get somebody on the
phone from your Department and Natural Resources, which is helpful.
So John Navarro, Divisional Wildlife. Uh, let's let's kind of
get on get on to These are subjects that I've
been wanting to talk to somebody about for quite some time.
So you've kind of fulfilled the whole need here the
invasive carp and in terms of the Lake Erie watershed.
(11:40):
So where do we stand right now? We've heard about,
you know, the Chicago River and all that. Of course,
the Mommy River goes over in Indiana, starts in Indiana,
right yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, So invasive carp mainly, the ones we're really worried
about are the big head and silver carp. They're filter
feeders and they can out compete our young native fish
and they've shown to be pretty impactful where they get
a high population. Fortunately, in Ohio they have not gotten
(12:13):
to a population size yet that we think is going
to impact natives. But I think it's only a matter
of time, and once you have an invasive species get established,
it's extremely hard to eradicate them. So the o High
River Watershed we're trying our best to keep the population down,
(12:36):
but we're really worried about the Great Lakes and for
Ohio Lake Erie, so we're doing a lot of work
to keep them from going from the Ohigh River Watershed
to the Lake Erie Watershed. One of the main things
is there's two hydraulic connection points where they could cross
over one an acrony in one south of Lode Io
(12:59):
High and we've already closed the one on the High
Ohio Erie Canal and akron through raising the elevation between
the two watersheds. Okay, when it flood. When it floods,
they can't go back and forth. And we're working south
of Lodi for the Little Killbuck Creek project to construct
(13:20):
a burm, which we completed this year for phase one,
But the idea is to separate that watershed so they
can't get into Lake Erie.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Well, that's a monumental tay ask before we go on.
I know you mentioned well, let's just circle back to
the to the sturgeon stocking. You mentioned that we have
another location in fact that impacts the Ohio River Valley.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
What's really exciting is this year, in partnership with h
Ohio Rivers Program and OSU, we released thirty lake sturgeon
in Circleville at our Richard's Boat Ramp and so late
you think a lake sturgeon, you think Lake Erie, but
they were. They are native to the Ohio River Watershed
(14:03):
and the Mississippi River watershed. So we're working to establish
a population in the Sciota River. And this year we
release thirty radio tagged fish. So these fish have an
actual tag in it that releases a signal that can
get picked up on receivers that we have laid out
from Columbus down to the Ohio River.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
The mouth got you, I would imagine if an angler
caught a sturgeon, regardless if it's tagg or not, that
they need to report.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It, report it and release it. Please.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And we do have some shovel nose sturgeon which is
a close relative, and we get reports of fishermen catching
those and they're very good about taking a picture and
releasing it, so they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Good.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Now back to the to the big head, the silver
carp In terms of Lake Erie, have they actually gotten
in the lake.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
So when you say invasive carp, if there's four speces
to talking about the big head silver black carp, which
haven't made it up the Mississippi River to us yet,
and then the grass cart and the grass carp does
have a reproducing population in the Sandusky and Maumee River
and we're working very hard to eradicate that population in
(15:24):
partnership with the University of Toledo that team up north
there DNR. I can't it's it's that week. I can't
even mention their name, Okay, but we do partner with
them closely on trying to eradicate this population in the
western basin of the lake here.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Well, John, how can people find out more of the
about the invasive carp in terms of like just go
to do a search on wild Ohio dot gov.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
But be sure yep, yep, yep, and they can find
all kinds of information.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
All right, great, Well, let's and I appreciate your time
this morning. All good stuff, and see I keep up on.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Things with you.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Okay, you did you know as far as what's happening
out there, So that's fantastic. Well, listen, have a great
holiday season and catch up with you like fish Ohio.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Okay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Thanks John with that, we got to hit a break
Chip Hart the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Back in the moment your tuned to news radio seven
hundred w LW. We're back, Danny, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I know, I got a couple of minutes and you know,
Sir Gary Jeff's gonna blow the horn on me.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And that's it tough.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You know, oh if you have questions about anything that
I've talked about, just called Gary Jeff.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, He'll sold me out of my studio. I know,
I know. So what do we have? What do we have?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
There's a lot of people up in arms that come
to Ohio to hunt as non residents, and you know,
see it through social media, but you know, it's it's
kind of a reciprocal thing. You know, if Indiana, Kentucky
or West Virginia charges a certain amount to go deer
hunt over there where, they've tried to bring Ohio commensurate
(17:11):
with those neighboring states. So you know, the non resident
either sex deer permit in Ohio cost you know, two
hundred and eighteen bucks and some change. And then your
non resident hunting licenses is one hundred and eighty one dollars.
So that's just what it is to hunt Ohio. If
I go to Kentucky or Indiana, it's going to cost
me the same thing.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So it was.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
A prudent decision to be made. So you know, you
can still come hunt here, and I can still go
and hunt there. So that's just wherever we happen to
stand and circling back. You know, we had that report
that was reported that we had a grizzly bear that
attacked a group of school children and teachers on a
walking trail in British Columbia, Canada and eleven people injured.
(17:56):
But so, uh, I don't know what's but that's the
current news on that. And apparently there were multiple bears
in Ballved but I've had no update to date. And
go look for a story about a bald eagle that
dropped a cat through a driver's windshield in North Carolina,
causing a car accident. So another fun story only in
(18:18):
North Carolina, I guess. So you know, I guess they
just watched it fall out of the sky, you know,
better than fish.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Anyway, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Gary Jeff is next to the Big Outdoors News Radio
seven hundred WLW SIN standing be safe in the woods,
safe on the water, and safe in that tree stand
Bull's coverage and jumping right to it, which you know,
when you've got twenty minutes of time on Saturday morning
between five and five thirty, you can't screw around.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Otherwise, Gary Jeff, the news team will open fire if
and when they're paying attention.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Am I correct?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Any?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yes, you are correct? Okay, good, we got that straight.
Gary Jeff will get very angry at me and start
cursing and using things I can't sail on the air.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
That's right, even though under our brock. Okay, yeah, absolutely.
John Navarro joins me. He is a biologist with the
Ohio Divisional Wildlife under ODNR and has an area of
expertise which is aquatic diverse diversity conservation management.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And that's a lot for five am in the morning, John,
I gotta tell you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
It is. So.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The article came out two weeks back about the aquatic
habitat biologist and being taxed with new missions.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Uh, they are under your purview.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
So give us an idea what this means, because you know,
God does I do know quite a few young men
and women that we are interested in this area of study,
and so you know, I want to get them a
little born to work with here since things are changing
out there pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Sure.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
So yeah, So we have a new position. It's called
Aquatic Habitat Biologists, and the idea of it is the
divisional Wildlife manages all species, not just what we pursue
with hook and bullet, so which is still our core
core audience, our core constituency, but we also manage critters
(01:46):
that people don't pursue, and some of them are are
very rare and cool. So we thought, with the interest
in aquatic diversity trustrialsity, that maybe we should have this
expertise in house. So our staff are all versed in
(02:07):
sport fish, but we really were lacking the expertise in
the other critters. So that's what this position is. It's
going to work with the non game uh species, you know, fish, muscles,
that kind of thing, and they're going to become our
(02:28):
in house experts. So we have three of them right now,
one in south west Ohio, one in Central Ohio, and
one in Northeast Ohio. And we're looking to hire two more,
one in northwest Ohio and one in Southeast Ohio, so
eventually we'll have one in each district that will provide
(02:50):
expertise in aquatic diversity.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
So do they report to the district office or do
they report to Columbus specifically?
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah, that's interesting. So our district operations are not managed
by me, so they do report to the district manager,
but I provide programmatic direction.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Okay, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So where did you get the biological information in the past? Uh?
Even though I know that you know staff wise, you know,
every all of your all of your people know a
lot about a lot when it comes down to it,
you know, So where did that come from?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Initially? So the idea that I know, I mean the
you know this.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
If this type of biologist was on staff, where was
that information coming from?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Biological?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
So right, So we have a really good relationship with
with species experts out there. So like if there was
a muscle question, I would go to the folks at
os U, yeah, or hellbenders. We have someone that we
pay through OSU to do our hellbender research and all
(04:07):
the other amphibians and reptiles. So basically, if there was
a question I couldn't answer, I would go to our partners.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Outside, which is fine, but I really, I really thought,
and Chief Wecker thought, and Todd Haynes, our assistant chief,
thought it would be really good to have that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Expertise in house. So so that's where the direction we went.
And so these people will be well versed on everything diversity.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Okay, great, well, and of course your universities are spitting
out the people that would be uh. I guess you know,
qualified through education for positions like this.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
So I it makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Than a lot of things I've heard out there. So
John Navarro, you sit tight. We got to hit a
short break, Chip Hart, I guess John Navarro with Ohio
Divisional Wildlife, Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW Cincinnati,
LW Cincinnati, Chip Hart, and my guest is John Navarro.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
And if you hang around long enough.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Gary Jeff Walker and his cast of characters will be
up at the afternoon news who Who on the at
the bottom of the hour after the bottom and taking
you at nine am. And Michael k Allen likely with
his rants and raves across the world, his worldview of things,
which is it's quite fractured anyway, but no, he's you know,
(05:43):
you're talking about the best radio on Saturday in Cincinnati
between five am and noon for crying out loud, So anyway,
John Navarro, Divisional Wildlife moving to the sturgeon stocking program,
which I I think is very cool. I've you know,
never had the opportunity to like outlast. It's a big
(06:07):
deal to fish for Okay, I guess what the Columbia
River and some other places like that, and it was
native originally to to I guess Lake Erie. And so
tell me where we're at at this point in time.
And is that a different I guess a different species
of sturgeon.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
No, So the species we're talking about are lake sturgeon,
which are native to the Great Lakes. But because of
the building of dams, water quality issues, and persecution. To
be honest with you, they weren't very well loved back
in the eighteen hundreds that they basically pretty much disappeared
(06:49):
from Lake Erie. So water quality improvements through the Clean
Water Act, which is fifty years old, right, a great
piece of legislation. It's a amazing how the water quality
in Ohio and around the country has improved. So we're
at a point where we felt that we could reintroduce
(07:12):
lake sturgeons. So we started on the Mammie River in
twenty eighteen with a partnership with the Toledo Zoo. So
Toledo Zoo is raising half the fish, and half of
them come from Genoa Fish Hatchery in Wisconsin. And the
idea is we wanted to look if it's important for
(07:32):
these fish to imprint with the local water so they
know how to come back to their natal water body. So, okay,
half of them are raised on Mommy water and half
of them are raised on Wisconsin water. They all get
released at the same time, and it'll take a while
because they are long lived. You know, they'll live to
(07:54):
be one hundred years old. They'll get six feet long,
two hundred pounds, so they're slow to mature. It'll be
a while before we see the results of that study.
All the fish have a pit tag in them, which
is a little transmitter the size of a grain of rice,
and you can detect it with a wand And so
we're going to be releasing those for the next twenty
(08:18):
plus years, trying to establish a population in the Maumee River.
What's really exciting is this year we added the Sandusky River,
and most exciting was the Cuyahoga River. We released Lake
sturgeon this year and so at that release thank you
Cleveland Metro Parks for hosting the event. Sure the backdrop
(08:40):
was the Cleveland or was the Cuyahoga River, which fifty
years ago was on fire.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Now we all know that.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, and was the catalyst for the Clean Water Act.
So past forward fifty years to this year, we're releasing
an endangered fish into the Cuyahoga River in downtown Cleveland.
So it's just amazing.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
It is amazing. So what do they what's it? What
do they primarily feed on?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So they're a bottom feeder, so I think they're so cool.
They're prehistoric. They're around when the dinosaurs are around, and
they look like a shark, so they kind of look
intimidating when they're six feet long, but they don't worry.
They're not going to eat you. They eat stuff off
the bottom, so aquatic insects, you know, small muscles, maybe
(09:30):
fish every once in a while. So they're a bottom
feeder so that's mainly what they eat.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So will they eat the zebra muscle?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I'm sure if they come across it, they'll.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
They'll eat it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Okay, Yeah, hell, were there any pre existing like a
blake sturgeon?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
There is relic populations in Lake Erie. Yeah, there is
still a population in Wisconsin, and the Detroit River actually
has them to So that's where we got our eggs
for the production.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, I got it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I got to believe that you know, through the H
two Ohio and the removal of you know, certain dams
on certain rivers that maybe you know, we're in that
Lake Erie watershed, that that that's a big positive too
for their I guess migratory ability to.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
To uh you know, to to to breed and so
on and so forth. So John sid tight, we got
to hit a break.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Come back, we'll talk more about uh, well, we're going
to talk about the invasive carp Lake Erie tributaries. Chip Hart,
John Navarro, Ohio Divisional Wildlife, The Big Outdoors News Radio,
seven hundred w l W, Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Back in the moment, go seven hundred w l W, The.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Big Outdoors News Radio, seven hundred w l W, Cincinnati.
I am excited about this subject matter, Danny, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yes, And and because you.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Know, not only our sport fish cool well, we love
to catch them, but also you know the other native
fish and critters that make up this whole ecosystem, and
Ohio's it, you know, we're in pretty good shape. Okay,
nothing against our neighbors, because you're all listening to me too.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
You guys got cool stuff too.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
We'll get to it if I get somebody on the
phone from your Department and Natural Resources, which is helpful.
So John Navarro, Divisional Wildlife. Uh, let's let's kind of
get on get on to These are subjects that I've
been wanting to talk to somebody about for quite some time.
So you've kind of fulfilled the whole need here the
invasive carp and in terms of the Lake Erie watershed.
(11:40):
So where do we stand right now? We've heard about,
you know, the Chicago River and all that. Of course,
the Mommy River goes over in Indiana, starts in Indiana,
right yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Yeah, So invasive carp mainly, the ones we're really worried
about are the big head and silver carp. They're filter
feeders and they can out compete our young native fish
and they've shown to be pretty impactful where they get
a high population. Fortunately, in Ohio they have not gotten
(12:13):
to a population size yet that we think is going
to impact natives. But I think it's only a matter
of time, and once you have an invasive species get established,
it's extremely hard to eradicate them. So the o High
River Watershed we're trying our best to keep the population down,
(12:36):
but we're really worried about the Great Lakes and for
Ohio Lake Erie, so we're doing a lot of work
to keep them from going from the Ohigh River Watershed
to the Lake Erie Watershed. One of the main things
is there's two hydraulic connection points where they could cross
over one an acrony in one south of Lode Io
(12:59):
High and we've already closed the one on the High
Ohio Erie Canal and akron through raising the elevation between
the two watersheds. Okay, when it flood. When it floods,
they can't go back and forth. And we're working south
of Lodi for the Little Killbuck Creek project to construct
(13:20):
a burm, which we completed this year for phase one,
But the idea is to separate that watershed so they
can't get into Lake Erie.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Well, that's a monumental tay ask before we go on.
I know you mentioned well, let's just circle back to
the to the sturgeon stocking. You mentioned that we have
another location in fact that impacts the Ohio River Valley.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
What's really exciting is this year, in partnership with h
Ohio Rivers Program and OSU, we released thirty lake sturgeon
in Circleville at our Richard's Boat Ramp and so late
you think a lake sturgeon, you think Lake Erie, but
they were. They are native to the Ohio River Watershed
(14:03):
and the Mississippi River watershed. So we're working to establish
a population in the Sciota River. And this year we
release thirty radio tagged fish. So these fish have an
actual tag in it that releases a signal that can
get picked up on receivers that we have laid out
from Columbus down to the Ohio River.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
The mouth got you, I would imagine if an angler
caught a sturgeon, regardless if it's tagg or not, that
they need to report.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
It, report it and release it. Please.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
And we do have some shovel nose sturgeon which is
a close relative, and we get reports of fishermen catching
those and they're very good about taking a picture and
releasing it, so they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Good.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Now back to the to the big head, the silver
carp In terms of Lake Erie, have they actually gotten
in the lake.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
So when you say invasive carp, if there's four speces
to talking about the big head silver black carp, which
haven't made it up the Mississippi River to us yet,
and then the grass cart and the grass carp does
have a reproducing population in the Sandusky and Maumee River
and we're working very hard to eradicate that population in
(15:24):
partnership with the University of Toledo that team up north
there DNR. I can't it's it's that week. I can't
even mention their name, Okay, but we do partner with
them closely on trying to eradicate this population in the
western basin of the lake here.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Well, John, how can people find out more of the
about the invasive carp in terms of like just go
to do a search on wild Ohio dot gov.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
But be sure yep, yep, yep, and they can find
all kinds of information.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
All right, great, Well, let's and I appreciate your time
this morning. All good stuff, and see I keep up on.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Things with you.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Okay, you did you know as far as what's happening
out there, So that's fantastic. Well, listen, have a great
holiday season and catch up with you like fish Ohio.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Okay, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Thanks John with that, we got to hit a break
Chip Hart the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Back in the moment your tuned to news radio seven
hundred w LW. We're back, Danny, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I know, I got a couple of minutes and you know,
Sir Gary Jeff's gonna blow the horn on me.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
And that's it tough.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You know, oh if you have questions about anything that
I've talked about, just called Gary Jeff.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, He'll sold me out of my studio. I know,
I know. So what do we have? What do we have?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
There's a lot of people up in arms that come
to Ohio to hunt as non residents, and you know,
see it through social media, but you know, it's it's
kind of a reciprocal thing. You know, if Indiana, Kentucky
or West Virginia charges a certain amount to go deer
hunt over there where, they've tried to bring Ohio commensurate
(17:11):
with those neighboring states. So you know, the non resident
either sex deer permit in Ohio cost you know, two
hundred and eighteen bucks and some change. And then your
non resident hunting licenses is one hundred and eighty one dollars.
So that's just what it is to hunt Ohio. If
I go to Kentucky or Indiana, it's going to cost
me the same thing.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So it was.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
A prudent decision to be made. So you know, you
can still come hunt here, and I can still go
and hunt there. So that's just wherever we happen to
stand and circling back. You know, we had that report
that was reported that we had a grizzly bear that
attacked a group of school children and teachers on a
walking trail in British Columbia, Canada and eleven people injured.
(17:56):
But so, uh, I don't know what's but that's the
current news on that. And apparently there were multiple bears
in Ballved but I've had no update to date. And
go look for a story about a bald eagle that
dropped a cat through a driver's windshield in North Carolina,
causing a car accident. So another fun story only in
(18:18):
North Carolina, I guess. So you know, I guess they
just watched it fall out of the sky, you know,
better than fish.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Anyway, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Gary Jeff is next to the Big Outdoors News Radio
seven hundred WLW SIN standing be safe in the woods,
safe on the water, and safe in that tree stand
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