Zach & Lilah - Did He Escape the Room… or the Truth?

Zach thought he nailed his first date with Lilah — an escape room, drinks after, and even a kiss. So why did she disappear without a word? On this First Date Follow Up, what starts as a mystery about ghosting turns into a heated debate over honesty, competitiveness, and whether bending the truth “just a little” is actually a red flag. As accusations fly and emotions ramp up, you’ll want to hear exactly what was said that made Lilah walk away for good.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
First Date follow Up powered by the Advocates Injury Attorneys
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Zach is on the phone today for our first day
follow up and he's getting ghosted by Lilah. So in
a few minutes we'll call her see if she'll tell
us why she's ghosting him and maybe get him another date.
But first, Zach, how long has it been since you
heard from Lilah?

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Like maybe two weeks? It's been a minute.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Were you trying to hit her up in that time?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
So? I did message her like a few times, and
they may or may not have sent the memes, but
like good ones, like you know, like like funny, like
jokey ones, not like desperate memes.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Okay, not like memes of somebody crying with the phone.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I mean like some somewhere in between those two maybe.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Okay, I don't know how that is going to play out.
But let's let's go backwards. Why don't you tell us
about the date, Zach?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
How was it?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I mean, I thought the date was fine. I thought
everything went well. Basically, it's actually kind of cool. I
thought spice it up. First dates usually boring, let's do
an escape room. So it was fun, but like it
was low key stressful, you know, like but like teamwork.
First date, you know, go big or go home, right,
I take big swings, got some drinks. Afterwards things were

(01:23):
obviously more relaxed and less like pressure filled again good sign.
We stayed until the bar closed, like we were just
talking and like, I don't know, she's so like so
she's super smart, like annoyingly smart, like in a good way,
Like she's funny. I don't know, like even though I
was nervous, I was laughing, but it was like not

(01:44):
just nervous laughing, you know what I'm saying. So it
ended there was a kiss, not like you know, rom
com like in the rain, like whatever moment, a solid kiss,
more than a peck, less than a makeout, you know.
So like I thought that was good.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, who kissed too? Or was it mutual?

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I made the first move, you know, but she leaned
in ninety and ten right, like what's.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
It didn't seem like she was just kissing you because
she had to Like yeah I've been.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
There, No, because that's like tech, that's like a peck, right,
and then like it's quick, this is.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
More than a pack okay, all right? And how did
you end things with her?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
What did you did she say she wanted to see
you again? Anything like that?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean I didn't specifically say like what are you
doing next week? I just was like I agree, yeah,
like you know, like I'll call you or whatever, you know,
I'll text you. And she's like okay, cool and then
that that was That was it.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Is there anything that happened on the date that could
have thrown it off? Like what went wrong you think?

Speaker 3 (02:45):
I mean sometimes I can get like competitive when I mean,
you know, like playing games and stuff. So in escape room,
like maybe I was getting to like passionates I guess like, hey,
you have that key the thing.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Did you freak out at all, like like a huge
freak out or something.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
No, we escaped, which was nice. It wasn't one of
those like horror ones where like zombies, you if you
don't get it. It was just like they escape, you know,
escape the room. It gets hechtic and a little stressful,
but like in a good way. Ok So, I felt
like it's possible that maybe I'd rubbed her the wrong
way by being like, oh, her grabbed that key and

(03:24):
you know, but she was kind of doing the same
thing to me. So I don't know, so.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Like be honest with yourself. Was it more like giving
orders or was it like more of a playful you
do it?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
No, and then I'll do this.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I want to say it was playful, but it might
have been ordered. I don't know. That's the thing is,
sometimes you can't see yourself. If I was like standing
outside myself watching maybe, but I'm saying I know I
can't get like that. I just don't know if that's
how it.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Came from, or maybe she read it wrong. You know,
maybe you threw a look and you weren't like annoyed
at her, but you maybe we're thinking about something. She's like,
oh wow, you know what I mean, Yeah, that happens.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Maybe, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
In there. That would probably not get you another date.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I don't think I did that. Pretty sure I didn't
do that. Cool.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Zach is on the phone and he's getting ghosted by Lilah.
So we're about to call her and see if she'll
tell us why she's ghosting him and maybe get him
another date. But first, Zach, why don't you catch us
up on your situation?

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean, she is super gorgeous, super smart. I
felt like, Okay, let's you know, like, let's go big
and we went to an escape room first date. I
felt like that was a big swing and I thought
it went pretty well. We did kiss, we escaped the room,
he went to drinks afterwards, kiss at the end of

(04:50):
the day, ghosting. Since then, I feel like, maybe maybe
if I had to guess, like, I know, I can
get competitive, so maybe I was a little competit I
live in the escape room. Maybe, you know, she felt
like I was too pushy. I'm not sure that could
potentially be it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Okay, are you ready for us to call her?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:11):
All right, here we go. Hello, Hi, I speak to Lililah. Please.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
This is Slilah.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Hi Leila, how are you. My name is Jewbel. I'm
calling from a radio show. It's called The Jebel Show. Hililah.
I'm Nina also on the show. Hi, and I'm Victoria.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Wow. Hi, So this is wait. So this is one
of those radio shows.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Yeah it is. It's one of those. Have you ever
listened to The Jebel Show before?

Speaker 4 (05:50):
I'm sure here and there, I guess I'm not. I
don't know. I usually just kind of listen to whatever's
on my phone, I guess.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay, well hopefully it's us sometimes if that'd be cool
if you will check it out. But anyway, we do
a segment on our show and it's called the first
Date follow Up. What that is is if you go
on a day with somebody and you end up ghosting them,
they can email us to get you on the phone
and ask why you're ghosting them. So we actually got
an email about you from someone who does have us
on their phone.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Okay, oh my god. So so people actually do this? Yes,
but I didn't think this was real.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Okay, yeah, they do actually do this, and you're one
of those people right now. How's it feel?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yay?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Congrats?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Oh I don't know. And wait, what is this about?
I'm so sorry? What is this about?

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Again?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, you went on a date with a guy named
Zach recently.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
M okay, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Zach said he really liked you, but he hasn't heard
from you since the date. It's been like two weeks,
and he's wondering if you wouldn't mind telling us why
you're ghosting him.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Oh I mean yeah, I'm ghosting him because he's a liar.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Oh oh, a liar? What is he lying about you
know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (07:00):
I thought the date was fun and cute, but after
the date, I just realized that I can't really trust anything.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
He says, Okay, hold up, what can't you What can't
you trust? What I said? I that was a lie.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
That's Zach. He's actually on the phone listening and wants
to talk to you.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
And oh my god, hi liar, because we went to
an escape room and he basically told his whole like
backstory that was not true to the escape room staff

(07:36):
to get extra clues, to be able to come up
with a lie. That that quick is just disturbing to me,
Like that's like, that's not okay.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Do you think the fact that he came up with
a lie real quick, like in an escape room is
like you'll do that all the time, Is that what
you're saying?

Speaker 4 (07:51):
I mean, I can't put it past him, and that fast,
like it was so.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Fast as a good liar myself, he probably has a
point here. Thank you for the self awareness.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
And for something so small as to like get free
clues like that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Wait a minute, hold up, I got the clues right.
We needed to get out of the escape room, right
like I'm competitive, that's not I wasn't lying. I didn't
lie to them and tell them like something. I don't
understand that I'm not lying. I'm confused.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Okay, but that's what a liar would say.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Well, we got out of the escape room, didn't we? Like,
wasn't that what we're supposed to mean? Yeah? But yeah,
but at what costs? You mean? Here we are?

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (08:38):
What I don't What do you consider a lie? Like,
if I'm a liar, then you're a liar because you
have brown hair?

Speaker 4 (08:45):
What is that supposed to mean?

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Because on your dating profile you have blonde hair? So
I guess you're a liar saying that you have one
colored hair and you don't.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
Okay, that's not even close to the same thing. But
however you want to feel it's fine.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Whatever liar hold each other names all day doesn't mean
it's real.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Lilo, would you like to go on another date? Was
that will pay for it?

Speaker 4 (09:14):
I don't think so. I just don't really think I
can trust him to be honest?

Speaker 3 (09:18):
But was that a lie? So you really mean you
do you want to go on a day? Truth?

Speaker 4 (09:26):
Look, I'm sorry you're clearly triggered, but like you did lie.
You lied, and you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I want to know what you're referring to. Was what
I think you're talking about? That is not lying just
by omitting the truth is not a lie, Like it's
just omitting the truth is a lie.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Keeping the truth from someone has a lie. That is
how a lie is defined.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
So I'm just supposed to say everything that I know
in the entire world, every person that I know, to
make sure that I'm not lying by not saying everything
in the world just because I happen to know a
lot about up that last name, Like I could be
that guy's uncle. Like who's to say, you don't know?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I don't know what are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (10:07):
All right?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, Zach, I'm sorry know no second day that guy
like that.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Could be the truth, like through like ancestors dot com
and whatnot, like that could be the truth. You don't know.
I'm thinking you don't know either, So like a why
that you know everything?

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Okay? Wait, then she said, like it was supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
No liar, your lying round here?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
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