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Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Albert Einstein
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once said, there are two ways to live your life.
One is as if nothing is a miracle. The other
is as if everything is a miracle. For most of us,
especially in our busy modern world, it can be very
easy to fall into that first way of thinking. We
are taught to believe in what we can see, touch,
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and measure. A miracle feels like something from a storybook,
a magical event that happens to other people in other times.
But what happens when a miracle unfolds right in front
of the very people trained to be the most logical, rational,
and evidence based among us. What happens when doctors, surgeons,
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and medical professionals, people who live in a world of biology, chemistry,
and hard data, come face to face with something their
training can never explain. Today, we are going on a
journey to the very edge of life seen through the
eyes of physicians. We're going to hear the true, untold
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stories from doctors who have witnessed the impossible, profound spiritual experiences,
divine interventions, and undeniable connections to the afterlife that have
shaken them to their core and changed the way they
see the world forever.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
These aren't just stories, their testimonies from some of the
most credible witnesses imaginable. They are accounts that give me goosebumps.
I hope they fill you with hope and perhaps help
you see that the world is far more magical and
miraculous than we were ever led to believe. Let's start
with the story of doctor Scott Colbaba, a physician who
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has been practicing internal METAe for over thirty five years.
Like most doctors, he is a man of science. He
is trained to look for logical explanations, to diagnose based
on symptoms, and to treat based on proven medical protocols.
For years, he didn't talk about the deeper spiritual side
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of life with his colleagues. It just wasn't something doctors did.
But then a strange series of beautiful and unexplainable events
began to happen, both in his own life and in
the lives of his patients and fellow doctors, that he
simply could not ignore. One of these experiences began on
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a perfect family evening in Cape Cod. His whole family
was gathered, all seven of his children and his nine grandkids.
It was one of those rare, beautiful moments of connection.
As they were preparing dinner, they started talking about pies,
which led them to fondly remember his mother, who had
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passed away. She used to make the most delicious rhubarb pie,
a family favorite. They all shared a moment of sadness,
wishing she could be there with them, and remarked that
if she were, she would have certainly made them one
of her famous rhubarb pies. Later that evening, after a
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wonderful dinner, it was time for dessert, his wife served
the cherry pie they had bought from a local store.
Doctor Colbaba took his first bite and in that instant
goosebumps shut up and down his spine. The pie wasn't cherry,
it was rhubarb. Now, one could easily dismiss this a
simple mix up at the bakery, a rhubarb pie accidentally
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placed in a cherry pie box, a coincidence, you might say,
But for doctor Colbaba and his family, in that moment
of deep love and remembrance, it felt like much more.
It was a gentle, loving calling card from his mother,
a little mirror to let them know that she was
right there with them, sharing in their perfect family evening.
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This small personal event opened doctor Coleboba's mind and started
him on a quest. He began to wonder, do other
doctors have stories like this? He started asking his colleagues,
and he was stunned by what he discovered. These logical,
scientific men and women were holding on too incredible secret
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stories of their own. One of the first stories he
heard was from his friend, doctor Steve Him, an orthopedic
trauma surgeon. Doctor Him is a man who deals with
life and death situations, a man of action and precision.
He was on a ski trip in Colorado with his
wife and sister in law. They were on a remote
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mountain back when a sudden, violent blizzard hit. The temperature
plummeted and the snow was coming down so hard they
could barely see in front of them. As they skied
down the mountain, they came to a patch of trees
and had to decide whether to go to the left
or go to the right. Doctor Him went right, expecting
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the others to follow, but they went left. He realized
he had to cut back through the trees to find them.
As he was skiing through the deep, powdery snow, he
was suddenly overcome with an incredible, powerful feeling, an inner
voice or intuition that told him something was seriously wrong
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and that he was being called to do something. The
feeling was so strong that he stopped skiing in the
middle of the raging blizzard. Everything suddenly became quiet. It
was an eerie, profound silence. For no logical reason, he
took off his skis and started climbing back up the
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mountain in the opposite direction of where his wife was waiting.
He just felt this undeniable pull. He climbed for about
one hundred feet until he came to a large pine
tree with a deep snow well around its base. And
as he looked down into that well, he suddenly understood
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why he was there. Half buried under the snow was
a body. It was a man, his face gray, not
looking like he was breathing. Doctor Him, the trauma surgeon,
immediately switched into action. He brushed the snow off the
man's face and checked for a pulse. He had one.
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The man was alive. Doctor Him covered the unconscious skier
with his own jackets, stabilized him, and started shouting for help.
By a stroke of luck or perhaps another miracle, one
of the last skiers on the mountain heard his calls
and came to help, skiing down to the lodge to
call the ski patrol. Twenty minutes la later, the rescue
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team arrived and took the man to the hospital. The
next day, Doctor Him called and found out the skier
was alive and would be okay. When doctor him shared
this story with Doctor Colbaba, he said, if you don't
believe that there's something else out there that looks after us,
that loves us, I don't know what you believe for
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this man of science, this surgeon. The series of events,
the overwhelming feeling, the eerie silence, the illogical urge to
climb the mountain, and being the perfect person in the
perfect place at the perfect time was undeniable proof of
a divine intervention. It was a miracle on a snowy
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mountain that changed his perspective forever. This theme of being
in the right place at the right time, guided by
someone or something beyond our understanding, is so powerful. But
sometimes the miracle isn't about a rescue. It's about the
evidence brought back from the other side, proved so clear
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it leaves a doctor speechless. Doctor Colbaba shared another story
told to him by a colleague, an orthopedic surgeon named
doctor Dave Mokel. They had a mutual patient named Mary.
Now before her experience, Mary was, in the kindest of terms,
a bit of a kerm mudgeon. She was not a
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particularly happy or easygoing person. During an ankle surgery, something
went terribly wrong. Mary had a severe allergic reaction to
an antibiotic, and she arrested right there on the operating table.
Her heart stopped, she stopped breathing, her eyes were closed.
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She was, by all medical definitions, clinically dead. The operating
room exploded into controlled chaos as the team began CPR
as his standard during a code. Staff from other operating
rooms were rushed in to help. One of the first
people to arrive was a man with shockingly bright red
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hair under his surgical cap, and he immediately began chest compressions.
Doctor Mokel, who was leading the code, checked for a pulse,
but there was none. The man wasn't performing the CPR
effectively enough. Doctor Mokel ordered the man to step aside
so he could take over, but the man didn't move.
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In the heat of a life and death situation, there's
no time for debate, doctor Mokel physically pushed the man
aside and took over the compressions himself. Soon after, they
were able to get a pulse, Mary's heart started again
and she was stabilized. She was moved to the intensive
care unit to recover, still unconscious, a few days later,
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as doctor Mochl was giving Mary her discharge instructions, she
looked at him and said, thank you for saving my life.
Doctor Mokel, being a humble man, said it was a
team effort, but Mary shook her head no, She said,
I saw you. You saved my life. Doctor Mochl was
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taken aback. Then Mary delivered the words that made him
feel weak in the knees. She said, I saw the
person with the red hair doing CPR, and then I
saw you push him away. The doctor was stunned. Mary
had been unconscious, eyes closed, clinically dead. How could she
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possibly know that? He sat down? As she continued to
recount other specific details from the code, she explained that
when she arrested, she had floated up to the top
of the room. From this out of body perspective, she
watched the entire code unfold below her. The experience completely
transformed her. Mary the Kurmudget was gone for the rest
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of her life. She was one of the kindest, warmest,
and most joyful people you could ever meet. For doctor Michel,
there was no scientific explanation. He had witnessed a miracle,
not just of survival, but the undeniable proof that his
patient was aware watching from above, even after her body
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had died. These are the kinds of stories that are
happening all around us, often in the very places we
think of as the most sterile and scientific. They are
the quiet miracles that unfold in hospital rooms and at
the bedside of the dying, reminding us that there is
so much more to life and death than what our
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when we get back, we're going to hear more medical
stories and more miracles. You're listening to Shades of the
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
In our last segment together, we heard how a simple
personal experience or a dramatic rescue can open a doctor's
mind to the possibility of a much greater reality. But
often the most profound evidence is not witnessed in moments
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of hydra Mamma, but in the quiet, sacred space near
the end of life. Our loved ones who have passed
are not distant memories. They are actually active participants in
our lives, and never more so than when it is
our time to go home. They come to comfort, to guide,
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and to reassure us that we are certainly not alone.
And sometimes their presence is so powerful it saves a life.
Doctor Scott Colbaba shared a beautiful story about a fellow doctor,
a gynecologist, whose wife Joan, had a powerful deathbed visitation
from her grandmother twenty two years after her grandmother had
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already passed. Joan was in the hospital having just delivered
her fifth child. In those days, a common anesthetic used
after delivery was something called triling, administered through a mask.
As the nurse was preparing to give Joan the anesthetic
to ease her pain, Joan suddenly saw her Grandma Hamlin
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appear at the foot of her bed. Grandma Hamlin was
as real as anyone in the room. She was dressed
in her typical little blue polka dot dress, her white
hair up in a bun, wearing her familiar grandmother's shoes.
She stood there and shook her head a clear, firm no.
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She communicated to Joan that she should not use the triline.
Trusting this vision, Joan pushed the mask away, telling the
surprised nurse, no, I'll put up with the pain. Just
a minute or so later, Joan suddenly became sick and
vomited up the large meal she had eaten right before
the delivery. If she had been unconscious under this anesthetic,
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she would have aspirated and could have easily died. Joan
said that in that moment, she felt she had made
it to Grandma Hamlin's lap one last time, a loving
presence reaching across time and eternity to protect her. A
grandmother who had been gone for twenty two years was
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still on the job watching over her family. This phenomena,
known as deathbed visitations, is one of the most common
and most comforting experiences reported at the end of life.
It's a sacred time when the veil between the worlds
becomes so thin it's practically nonexistent. Doctor Christopher Kerr, a
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hospice and palliative care physician in Buffalo, New York, has
dedicated his career to studying these moments. For years. He
was a young, confident doctor who dismissed these stories as hallucinations.
He recalls being corrected by an experienced hospice nurse named
Nancy when he suggest more aggressive treatment for a dying patient.
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Nancy simply said, too late, he's dying. He's been dreaming
about his dead mother. The young doctor Kerr thought that
sounded crazy. Nancy's wise reply set the course for his
entire life's work. She told him, son, you must have
missed a lot of classes. After that moment, doctor Kerr
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started to listen. He and his team have now documented
over fifteen hundred end of life events, many of them videotaped.
What he discovered is that these are not random dreams.
As people get closer to death, they stop dreaming about
everyday worries and start dreaming with incredible reality about the
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people they have loved and lost. These dreams are described
as being more real than real. A dying person is
not just remembering they're loved ones, they are actually with them,
being comforted, reassured, and prepared for their journey. In his
book Death Is But a Dream, Doctor Kerr shares the
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story of a ninety one year old woman named Anne.
When she was admitted to hospice. She was having such
clear visions of her long deceased sister, Emily, that she
would wake up and ask the nurses where is Emily.
To Anne, her sister's presence was just as real as
the doctors and nurses in the room. She describes seeing
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a younger, healthier Emily going about her day in the room.
Wearing a familiar pea green dress, her hair up in
a loose bun, Anne would even stretch her arms out
to the ceiling, as if to embrace someone only she
could see. She told her family with absolute certainty, I'm
not going alone. Emily will be with me. And these
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comforting visits are not limited to people. Doctor Kerr's research
found that unlost pets are one of the most common
and joyful visitors at the end of life. He tells
the story of a woman who, in her final days,
found profound comfort from the presence of all the pets
she had ever loved, who she said were cuddling with
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her in her hospital bed. Doctor Kerr shares the unforgettable
story of a patient named Dwayne, a man who had
lived a very hard life on the street. He had
hurt many people and spent much time in prison. Near
the end, Dwayne was weeping, telling the nurses that he
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had been a sick and terrible person. But then something
remarkable happened. In his end of life dreams. He was
able to find a sense of peace and self forgiveness.
This allowed him to be a good father in his
final days, giving a sense of peace and comfort to
his daughter, who had suffered so much. One of the
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most powerful stories is that of John, a World War
II veteran who had survived the horrors of Omaha Beach.
For his entire life, he suffered from severe PTSD, never
speaking about the trauma, but screaming in the night from nightmares.
In his final weeks in hospice, these nightmares returned with
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a vengeance. He would cry out, reliving the terror, seeing
floating limbs and bloody water and dead soldiers all around him.
He couldn't rest, But then the dreams changed. One day,
he had a dream where he relived the single best
day of his life, the day he got his discharge
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papers from the army. After that, he had one final
healing dream. He was back on the beach, but it
was peaceful. A soldier he didn't know walked up to
him and simply said, now we're going to come and
get you. That sense that he had abandon and his friends,
the survivor's guilt he had carried for a lifetime had
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finally come full circle. His friends were coming for him.
After that dream, John found peace, He slept, and he
died peacefully. Soon after that story, shows the profound healing
that can happen at the end of life. But what
about those who are unconscious in a deep coma? Can
they hear us? Do they know we're there? The next
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story from doctor Scott Coleboba's collection gives us a stunning
and hopeful answer. This is a story about two doctors
who were the best of friends, doctor John Massett and
doctor Bob Cornell. Their greatest bond outside of medicine was
their love of fishing. Every morning they would meet in
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the doctor's lounge over coffee and donuts and trade fishing stories.
One morning, Bob didn't show up. Doctor Massett soon learned
the devastating news his friend had suffered a massive stroke
and was in a deep coma in the ICU. The
specialists believed he was essentially brain dead and would never
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wake up. They told John they would wait for three days,
but if there was no change, they would remove life support.
Doctor Massette was heartbroken and felt completely helpless. He was
being taken care of medically, but John felt an overwhelming
urge to do something more. He felt he needed to
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talk to his friend. Feeling a bit self conscious, he
looked around to make sure there was no one in
the little cubicle in the ICU. He pulled his chair
right up to Bob's bedside. Bob was completely unresponsive. John
started talking to him, and he did the one thing
that connected them the most. He told him a fishing story.
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He told Bob a story he had never shared before,
about an incredible trip to the Mackenzie River in Canada.
He described the crystal clear water, the thrill of flying in,
and how the river was so full of fish they
were practically jumping onto the hook. He told Bob how
his arms were sore by the end of the day
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from reeling in so many beautiful grayling Each day, he
came back and told his friend another part of the story,
speaking into the silence, hoping on some level his words
were getting through. On the third day, John went to
the ICU with a heavy heart, knowing it was the
day they were going to let Bob go. When he arrived,
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his friend's room was empty, the bed was stripped, the
light was off. He thought his friend had died during
the night. He found the nurse and asked, when did
Bob die. The nurse started to laugh, which at first
really upset John, until she explained she said, he woke
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up yesterday. He's doing so well. He's already been moved
down to the step down unit. He's going to be fine.
John was thrilled. A few weeks later, after Bob had
been through rehabilitation, the two friends finally met again in
their old spot, the doctor's lounge. Bob's speech was slow
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and stuttered from the stroke, but his words were crystal clear.
He looked at John and said, John, thank you. You
were the only person who talked with me. He continued,
I love this story about the Grayling and the Mackenzie River.
That was one you've never told me before. I looked
forward to you coming every day to tell me those stories.
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John was overcome with emotion. He wondered if his stories,
his connection, had given his friend a reason to stay,
a reason to fight his way back. We'll never know
for sure, but we do know this, Doctor Bob Cornell,
a man in a deep coma with no signs of awareness,
heard every single word. His story is a powerful testament
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that we should never ever stop talking to our loved ones.
No matter what side of life they are on, they
can hear us, They know we are there, and our
love is a powerful anchor to this life. These stories
show us that dying is not a passive process of
shutting down. As doctor Kerr says, because you're dying does
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not mean you've stopped living. It is an intensely active
and meaningful final chapter of life, a time of profound,
emotional and spiritual work. It is a journey of transcendence
where the love of our family and friends, and even
pets and spirit come to light our way home. Time
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Let's continue where life and the afterlife often meet in
the hospital room. This is the frontline, the place where
science and spirit collide and where doctors are most trusted
figures of logic and reason, and sometimes witness things that
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defy every page of their medical textbooks. These stories are
particularly powerful because they are not just accounts from the
experiencers themselves. They are told by the physicians who were there,
the ones who saw the charts, who ran the tests,
and who were left with the undeniable proof that something
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incredible was happening. Let's begin with this story from doctor
Scott Coleboba's collection a patient he called Cleveland. Cleveland was
an older gentleman who was rushed to the emergency room
after a severe hemorrhage at home. He had no blood pressure,
no pulse, he was completely unconscious. The scene in the
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emergency room was a bloody mess as the team frantically
worked to save his life, squeezing six units of blood
into him as fast as they could. Hours later, after
being stabilized, Cleveland woke up. The very first thing he
said to the er doctor was I love that beautiful
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music he played in the emergency room. He described hearing
the most beautiful, otherworldly music with instruments he had never
heard before. The doctor was confused and said, Cleveland, we
don't play music in the emergency room. Cleveland went on
to explain that when he heard the music, he was
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in a special, beautiful white room and felt a profound
sense of peace and warmth. He had wanted to stay there.
The er doctor, a man of science, was left with
a conclusion that his medical training could never have prepared
him for his patient, while clinically dead on the table,
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had been somewhere else. He had been in a place
of music and light. He had been in heavenation. That
consciousness can experience beauty even when the beauty is in
crisis is a recurring theme. But what about healing? Can
a miracle happen right before a doctor's eyes? Doctor Colbaba
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shared another story that gives me goosebumps every time I
think about it. It's the story of a woman named
Barbara who had been battling multiple sclerosis for years. Her
condition had become progressively worse. She had trouble seeing. She
had a tracheotomy tube in her throat to help her breathe.
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Her diaphragm was paralyzed, and she had to wear braces
on her legs because she could no longer walk. Her
lungs were constantly getting infected. Her doctor, doctor Marshall, determined
it was time for hospice. He certified that she had
less than six months to live. Her pastor came to
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see her for what he believed would be the last time.
She was not expected to live more than a week
or two. During this time, a local Christian radio show
heard about Barbara's story and put out a call for prayers.
Thousands of people from all over responded, sending letters of
hope and prayer to her. One day, Barbara's aunt arrived
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with a huge bag of these letters. As she was
visiting along with a couple of other people from the church,
Barbara suddenly heard something that no one else in the
room heard. It was a calm, clear voice that said,
my daughter, get up and walk. The command was so powerful,
so real, that Barbara immediately responded. She moved to the
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edge of her bed, stood up, took off her leg braces,
removed her oxygen, and started to walk. She then walked
into the living room where her parents were sitting. They
were in total shock. The physical therapist who was there
couldn't believe her eyes and repeatedly said, you can't do that,
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You can't do that, But Barbara could. She then began
to dance, performing a beautiful ballet for her stunned family.
The next night, she walked down the center aisle of
her church. The entire congregation, who knew she had been
at death's door, spontaneously broke out into a chorus of
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amazing grace. The next day she went to see her doctor.
They removed her tubes. The multiple sclerosis, the illness that
had crippled her and brought her to the brink of death,
was completely gone. She was totally cured. Barbara went on
to live another twenty five years, marrying a pastor and
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dedicating her life to helping others. It was a true,
medically documented miracle, sparked by the power of prayer and
a voice from beyond the veil. These stories of profound
tree transformation and healing are so important, and they aren't
just happening in operating rooms with near death experiences. Hospice
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doctor Christopher Kerr has documented how the same healing and
connection happens in the dreams of his patients again just
in their final days and weeks. In his book Death
Is But a Dream, Doctor Kerr shares the story of
a patient named Frank. Frank was in his nineties, a
man of sharp wit and a lifelong encyclopedic knowledge of baseball.
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He could recount stats, players and games from the very
beginning of the professional leagues. His passion for the sport
had sustained him his entire life. Yet, despite his sharp mind,
as Frank got closer to passing, his room became crowded
with deceased relatives that only he could see. At one point,
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he became very agitated and called for the exclaiming, I
can't sleep. Look, Doc, it's been great to see my
uncle Harry, but I wish he'd shut up. Uncle Harry,
it turned out had been dead for forty six years.
This shows how real these experiences are. They're not vague dreams.
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They have the texture and annoyance of real life. Three
days before he passed, Frank was slipping in and out
of consciousness when he suddenly cried out in wonder, I
am in nineteen twenty seven? I am a boy? How
did they do that? His end of life visions were
so vivid that his logical mind was trying to figure
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out the magic trick that was allowing him to time travel.
He was living with a foot in two worlds over time.
Frank's inner world experiences returned him to what he treasured most,
the love of his life, his wife Ruthie, who had
already passed away. The more he dreamt of her, the
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more he felt her presence, and the more peaceful he became.
He finally requested that all medical treatment be discontinued. He
wanted to join Ruthie in heaven. He died with the
peace and integrity of a life fully remembered and beautifully completed,
with his wife Ruthie waiting for him. Sometimes these end
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of life dreams provide a freedom that the person never
experienced in their earthly life. Doctor Kerr tells the story
of a patient named Doris. Doris had a very tough
childhood and had never experienced much love or freedom. Her
life had been one of hardship and limitation, but in
her end of life dreams, she was finally free. She
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had incredible dreams of flying through the air, soaring above
crowds and buildings, completely unimpeded and without fear. She said
it was one of the most exhilarating feelings she had
ever experienced. It made her feel so empowered, like a superhero,
she said. She even said to the people in her dream,
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all you have to do is have faith the size
of a mustard seed, and you can fly too. That
story of Doris finding freedom is beautiful, and these connections
aren't always about grand visions. Sometimes they're a deeply personal,
quiet moment that are just as powerful and just as real.
Take this story of Pam, a hospice social worker. She
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was caring for a patient named Paul, an interesting, an
accomplished man who was facing his cancer diagnosis with incredible grace.
Paul was a man who loved life. He loved driving
his sports car and spending time with his wife. Pam
developed a unique and special connection with him during her
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time in hospice. Pam had witnessed many patients see and
converse with their deceased life, but with Paul, something different happened.
For reasons she couldn't explain, she began to associate a
specific song with him, Eric Clapton's Tears in Heaven, especially
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the line will I See You in Heaven. She had
never connected a song to a patient like that before. Eventually,
Paul's health declined and he was moved into the impatient
hospice house. On a Friday, before leaving for the weekend,
Pam went to visit him. He was alert, and for
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the very first time, he asked her for a hug
and kiss. She knew in her heart it might be
their final goodbye. Early on that Sunday morning, Pam was
jolted awake from a peaceful sleep. Eric Clapton's Tears in
Heaven was playing loudly and clearly inside her mind. This
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wasn't a vague memory. It was as if the radio
had been switched on, but in her her head. Along
with the song, she felt an overwhelming sense of peace
wash over her, a profound comfort unlike anything she had
ever known. In that instant, she knew with absolute certainty
that Paul had passed. She noted the time and peacefully
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went back to sleep. When she went back into the
hospice on Monday morning, she asked the team what time
did Paul pass away. The time of death they gave
her was within the hour that she had woken up
with that song playing in her mind. This experience never
happened to her before or since. That moment with Paul.
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She was left to wonder was it Paul saying goodbye?
Was he letting her know he had found peace, or
was it his way of answering that question from the
song see You Did See Me in Heaven. It was
a beautiful, personal and evidential moment, a shared experience across
the veil by another caring professional the exact time of
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her patients passing. Here's a bit of trivia. Did you
know that? According to doctor Christopher Kerr's research, end of
life dreams are almost always comforting. He found that while
only six percent of patients had a distressing dream, even
those dreams led to a healing and a sense of
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resolution before they passed. And did you know that You
don't have to be dying to have a glimpse of
the other side. What's called a shared death experience is
a phenomena or a healthy person sitting at the bedside
of a dying loved one can feel or see a
part of their loved one's transition, like seeing a mist
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leave the body, or even accompanying them part way on
their journey into the light. You can go back to
my episode with William Peters to find out more about that.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
We've heard incredible stories today from surgeons and hospice doctors
and a hospice nurse. But the evidence for the afterlife
doesn't just come from the world of medicine. It also
comes from the world of hard science, from a man
who understood the laws of physics and engineering. This is
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the story of doctor Allan Hugenot. Doctor Hugenot holds a
doctorate of Science and mechanical engineering and is a nationally
recognized expert in physics. His life was built on logic, mathematics,
and the predictable material world. Then, in nineteen seventy, long
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before near death experiences or a common topic, his logical
world was completely shattered. He was a young college physics
major riding his bicycle home from work when a car
turned directly in front of him. The impact was catastrophic.
He suffered a shattered femur, a broken wrist and elbow,
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and severe head trauma that left him in a coma
for twelve hours. While his body lay broken in a
hospital bed, his consciousness went on the most real journey
of his life. He remembers going directly to a brilliant,
beautiful light. He didn't see a tunnel on the way there,
but he remembers the journey back. He described it as
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if he was coming through flames or sparklers, a powerful,
energetic return into the dense physical world. He remembers slamming
back into his body, a body now filled with excruciating
pain that was much more than just his injuries. It
was the pain of physical existence itself. After being in
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a place of pure, painless spirit, he described how every
sensation in our world is a form of pressure, and
after the freedom of spirit, returning to a body felt thick, dense,
and awful. In the light, he felt a sense of
being home, a feeling of knowing and being known that
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was one thousand years deep. But back in his body,
he was just a patient and a h hospital bed.
When he tried to explain what had happened to the
hospital psychiatrist that he had died and gone to the light,
he was met with total disbelief. In the nineteen seventies,
there was no framework for this, they told him he
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was delusional. They wanted to have him committed to a
psychiatric facility. In a dramatic turn of events, his orthopedic
surgeon discharged him five days early, wheeling him out the
back door via a freight elevator, just to get him
away from the psychiatrists. As doctor Huguenot says, in those days,
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they wanted to put me in a nuthouse. Now they
pay me to speak. His experience gave him a unique perspective.
He spent his career working with the concrete laws of
Newtonian physics, all the while knowing that a much bigger,
more profound reality existed just beyond our senses. He likens
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it to talking with skeptics about Mexico. He says, I've
been to Mexico. You haven't, so you claim Mexico is
not there. Why don't you come along with me and
we can discover Mexico together. And what did he learn
in this other country? He learned that the universe is
far more vast and conscious than mainstream science admits. He
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points out that scientists now say that everything we can see,
all the stars, planets, and galaxies, make up only four
percent of the universe. The other ninety six percent is
made of dark matter and dark energy, which is really
just a fancy way of saying we have absolutely no
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idea what it is. Yet, as he notes, some of
these same scientists will say with absolute certainty that there
is no afterlife. How can you be so sure of
what's not in that six percent of reality you admit
you can't see. Doctor Huguenot explains that the problem lies
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with an outdated belief system called materialism, which insists that
only the physical world is real. He argues that this
isn't even supported by modern science. The very founders of
quantum physics, scientists like Max Planck, believe that consciousness was fundamental,
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that mind is the matrix of matter. He often explains
the famous double slit experiment, which proves that particles at
the quantum level only behave like solid matter when a
conscious mind is observing them, Otherwise they remain in a
state of pure potential, a wave of possibility. The experiment
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even shows that a particle knows it's being watched and
changes its behavior retroactively backwards in time. This proves, he says,
that the universe is conscious and responds to our intentions.
If a tiny photon is conscious, he argues, then we
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must live in a conscious universe. Doctor Huguenot's personal journey
didn't end with his near death experience. When he came back,
he was incredibly empathic, able to feel what everyone in
a room was thinking and feeling. It was overwhelming for him,
so for years he learned to shut it down. But
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as he neared retirement, he decided it was time to
explore these abilities. He began to study mediumship, first through
a correspondence course, and then he studied at the renowned
Arthur Finley College in England. He applied his scientific mind
to the process, demanding evidence. He now works as a
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research medium with top scientists like doctor Gary Schwartz at
the University of Arizona, testing these abilities under strict laboratory conditions.
He shared one incredible story from a triple blind study.
He was in a shielded room giving five minute readings
to employees. He had never met one sitter, A woman
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named Mary Franklin, came in. He immediately connected with her grandmother,
who had died before Mary was born. He got the
name Mary, but then struggled to say May, May, May.
He couldn't quite get the name out. The spirit then
gave him the middle name Adelaide. He didn't know that
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Mary Franklin had been named after this very grandmother, But
what about the May May May. Three weeks later, Mary's
cousin found an old photograph and on the back it
said Mary Adelaide nicknamed Maymy. The information he was struggling
to say was the grandmother's unique nickname, a detail no
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one in the room, not even Mary herself, had known.
He hadn't read anybody's mind. It connected with a consciousness
that held the truth. Doctor Alan Hugenot's life is a
testament to the fact that science and spirituality are not enemies.
They are two different languages trying to describe the same
magnificent conscious universe. His journey from a man of pure
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physics to a man of profound spiritual evidence shows us
that the greatest truths are found when we have the
courage to explore beyond the limits of what we think
we know. Doctor Hugenot's scientific foundation is what makes his
work with the Soul Phone Foundation so compelling. Working with
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doctor Gary Schwartz at the University of Arizona, the goal
is to create technology that will allow for direct, real
time communication with those in the afterlife, and according to
doctor Hugueno, the science is already here. He explained that
the first step, what they call the soul switch, has
already proven technology. It can detect the presence of a
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spirit and allow for clear yes or no answer, which
can be used to answer any question. The next step,
which he believes may be within the next five or
ten years, is texting. Imagine texting your deceased loved ones
and getting a text message back. He says this technology
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exists and they are actively working on it with guidance
from scientists on the other side. In ten to twenty
years from now, he envisions video communication. He described being
able to sit in especially shielded booth and you see
a full holographic image of your loved one materialize in
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front of you, speaking with their own voice, wearing clothes.
You remember when you ask how this is poss he explains,
it's about understanding frequencies Our loved ones exist in a
vibration that he calls the far ultraviolet, a frequency our
physical eyes can't see, just like we can't see infrared.
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The technology they are developing is essentially a camera that
can see in that far ultraviolet range and translated into
an image that is visible to all of us. Doctor
Alan Hugenot's life, a journey from a man of pure
physics to a man of profound spiritual evidence, shows us
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that science and spirituality are not enemies. They are two
different languages trying to describe the same magnificent, conscious universe.
His work is a powerful promise that one day we
may not need to rely on signs or mediums, but
can simply pick up a device and have a conversation
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with those we love, proving once and for all that
they are not gone, They're just living in a different room. Now,
I know that can sound like a fantasy, like something
out of a science fiction movie, but let's just think
about this for a moment. Imagine trying to explain your
cell phone to someone living just one hundred and fifty
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years ago. Could they possibly have imagined a world where
we could capture a person's voice on a recording device
and see someone from the other side of the planet,
or that we could travel in an airplane thirty thousand
feet above the earth. What seems like magic in one
century often becomes everyday technology in the next, and This
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idea of instant wireless communication was actually predicted by one
of the greatest scientific minds in history over one hundred
years ago. The brilliant inventor Nikola Tesla said, when wireless
is perfectly applied, the whole earth will be converted into
a huge brain, and the instruments through which we shall
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be able to do this will be amazingly simple. A
man will be able to carry one in his vest pocket.
He was describing the smartphone a century before it existed.
If he could see that far into our technological future, maybe,
just maybe the future doctor Alan Hugeno and others are
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working towards with the afterlife isn't so far fetched at all.
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Is But a Dream and Physicians Untold Stories by our
doctors today and come visit me at We Don't Die
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I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been
on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.
On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know
that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so
will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Albert Einstein
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once said, there are two ways to live your life.
One is as if nothing is a miracle. The other
is as if everything is a miracle. For most of us,
especially in our busy modern world, it can be very
easy to fall into that first way of thinking. We
are taught to believe in what we can see, touch,
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and measure. A miracle feels like something from a storybook,
a magical event that happens to other people in other times.
But what happens when a miracle unfolds right in front
of the very people trained to be the most logical, rational,
and evidence based among us. What happens when doctors, surgeons,
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and medical professionals, people who live in a world of biology, chemistry,
and hard data, come face to face with something their
training can never explain. Today, we are going on a
journey to the very edge of life seen through the
eyes of physicians. We're going to hear the true, untold
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stories from doctors who have witnessed the impossible, profound spiritual experiences,
divine interventions, and undeniable connections to the afterlife that have
shaken them to their core and changed the way they
see the world forever.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Now.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
These aren't just stories, their testimonies from some of the
most credible witnesses imaginable. They are accounts that give me goosebumps.
I hope they fill you with hope and perhaps help
you see that the world is far more magical and
miraculous than we were ever led to believe. Let's start
with the story of doctor Scott Colbaba, a physician who
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has been practicing internal METAe for over thirty five years.
Like most doctors, he is a man of science. He
is trained to look for logical explanations, to diagnose based
on symptoms, and to treat based on proven medical protocols.
For years, he didn't talk about the deeper spiritual side
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of life with his colleagues. It just wasn't something doctors did.
But then a strange series of beautiful and unexplainable events
began to happen, both in his own life and in
the lives of his patients and fellow doctors, that he
simply could not ignore. One of these experiences began on
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a perfect family evening in Cape Cod. His whole family
was gathered, all seven of his children and his nine grandkids.
It was one of those rare, beautiful moments of connection.
As they were preparing dinner, they started talking about pies,
which led them to fondly remember his mother, who had
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passed away. She used to make the most delicious rhubarb pie,
a family favorite. They all shared a moment of sadness,
wishing she could be there with them, and remarked that
if she were, she would have certainly made them one
of her famous rhubarb pies. Later that evening, after a
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wonderful dinner, it was time for dessert, his wife served
the cherry pie they had bought from a local store.
Doctor Colbaba took his first bite and in that instant
goosebumps shut up and down his spine. The pie wasn't cherry,
it was rhubarb. Now, one could easily dismiss this a
simple mix up at the bakery, a rhubarb pie accidentally
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placed in a cherry pie box, a coincidence, you might say,
But for doctor Colbaba and his family, in that moment
of deep love and remembrance, it felt like much more.
It was a gentle, loving calling card from his mother,
a little mirror to let them know that she was
right there with them, sharing in their perfect family evening.
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This small personal event opened doctor Coleboba's mind and started
him on a quest. He began to wonder, do other
doctors have stories like this? He started asking his colleagues,
and he was stunned by what he discovered. These logical,
scientific men and women were holding on too incredible secret
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stories of their own. One of the first stories he
heard was from his friend, doctor Steve Him, an orthopedic
trauma surgeon. Doctor Him is a man who deals with
life and death situations, a man of action and precision.
He was on a ski trip in Colorado with his
wife and sister in law. They were on a remote
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mountain back when a sudden, violent blizzard hit. The temperature
plummeted and the snow was coming down so hard they
could barely see in front of them. As they skied
down the mountain, they came to a patch of trees
and had to decide whether to go to the left
or go to the right. Doctor Him went right, expecting
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the others to follow, but they went left. He realized
he had to cut back through the trees to find them.
As he was skiing through the deep, powdery snow, he
was suddenly overcome with an incredible, powerful feeling, an inner
voice or intuition that told him something was seriously wrong
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and that he was being called to do something. The
feeling was so strong that he stopped skiing in the
middle of the raging blizzard. Everything suddenly became quiet. It
was an eerie, profound silence. For no logical reason, he
took off his skis and started climbing back up the
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mountain in the opposite direction of where his wife was waiting.
He just felt this undeniable pull. He climbed for about
one hundred feet until he came to a large pine
tree with a deep snow well around its base. And
as he looked down into that well, he suddenly understood
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why he was there. Half buried under the snow was
a body. It was a man, his face gray, not
looking like he was breathing. Doctor Him, the trauma surgeon,
immediately switched into action. He brushed the snow off the
man's face and checked for a pulse. He had one.
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The man was alive. Doctor Him covered the unconscious skier
with his own jackets, stabilized him, and started shouting for help.
By a stroke of luck or perhaps another miracle, one
of the last skiers on the mountain heard his calls
and came to help, skiing down to the lodge to
call the ski patrol. Twenty minutes la later, the rescue
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team arrived and took the man to the hospital. The
next day, Doctor Him called and found out the skier
was alive and would be okay. When doctor him shared
this story with Doctor Colbaba, he said, if you don't
believe that there's something else out there that looks after us,
that loves us, I don't know what you believe for
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this man of science, this surgeon. The series of events,
the overwhelming feeling, the eerie silence, the illogical urge to
climb the mountain, and being the perfect person in the
perfect place at the perfect time was undeniable proof of
a divine intervention. It was a miracle on a snowy
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mountain that changed his perspective forever. This theme of being
in the right place at the right time, guided by
someone or something beyond our understanding, is so powerful. But
sometimes the miracle isn't about a rescue. It's about the
evidence brought back from the other side, proved so clear
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it leaves a doctor speechless. Doctor Colbaba shared another story
told to him by a colleague, an orthopedic surgeon named
doctor Dave Mokel. They had a mutual patient named Mary.
Now before her experience, Mary was, in the kindest of terms,
a bit of a kerm mudgeon. She was not a
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particularly happy or easygoing person. During an ankle surgery, something
went terribly wrong. Mary had a severe allergic reaction to
an antibiotic, and she arrested right there on the operating table.
Her heart stopped, she stopped breathing, her eyes were closed.
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She was, by all medical definitions, clinically dead. The operating
room exploded into controlled chaos as the team began CPR
as his standard during a code. Staff from other operating
rooms were rushed in to help. One of the first
people to arrive was a man with shockingly bright red
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hair under his surgical cap, and he immediately began chest compressions.
Doctor Mokel, who was leading the code, checked for a pulse,
but there was none. The man wasn't performing the CPR
effectively enough. Doctor Mokel ordered the man to step aside
so he could take over, but the man didn't move.
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In the heat of a life and death situation, there's
no time for debate, doctor Mokel physically pushed the man
aside and took over the compressions himself. Soon after, they
were able to get a pulse, Mary's heart started again
and she was stabilized. She was moved to the intensive
care unit to recover, still unconscious, a few days later,
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as doctor Mochl was giving Mary her discharge instructions, she
looked at him and said, thank you for saving my life.
Doctor Mokel, being a humble man, said it was a
team effort, but Mary shook her head no, She said,
I saw you. You saved my life. Doctor Mochl was
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taken aback. Then Mary delivered the words that made him
feel weak in the knees. She said, I saw the
person with the red hair doing CPR, and then I
saw you push him away. The doctor was stunned. Mary
had been unconscious, eyes closed, clinically dead. How could she
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possibly know that? He sat down? As she continued to
recount other specific details from the code, she explained that
when she arrested, she had floated up to the top
of the room. From this out of body perspective, she
watched the entire code unfold below her. The experience completely
transformed her. Mary the Kurmudget was gone for the rest
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of her life. She was one of the kindest, warmest,
and most joyful people you could ever meet. For doctor Michel,
there was no scientific explanation. He had witnessed a miracle,
not just of survival, but the undeniable proof that his
patient was aware watching from above, even after her body
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had died. These are the kinds of stories that are
happening all around us, often in the very places we
think of as the most sterile and scientific. They are
the quiet miracles that unfold in hospital rooms and at
the bedside of the dying, reminding us that there is
so much more to life and death than what our
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medicine can measure. It's time for our first break, and
when we get back, we're going to hear more medical
stories and more miracles. You're listening to Shades of the
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
In our last segment together, we heard how a simple
personal experience or a dramatic rescue can open a doctor's
mind to the possibility of a much greater reality. But
often the most profound evidence is not witnessed in moments
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of hydra Mamma, but in the quiet, sacred space near
the end of life. Our loved ones who have passed
are not distant memories. They are actually active participants in
our lives, and never more so than when it is
our time to go home. They come to comfort, to guide,
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and to reassure us that we are certainly not alone.
And sometimes their presence is so powerful it saves a life.
Doctor Scott Colbaba shared a beautiful story about a fellow doctor,
a gynecologist, whose wife Joan, had a powerful deathbed visitation
from her grandmother twenty two years after her grandmother had
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already passed. Joan was in the hospital having just delivered
her fifth child. In those days, a common anesthetic used
after delivery was something called triling, administered through a mask.
As the nurse was preparing to give Joan the anesthetic
to ease her pain, Joan suddenly saw her Grandma Hamlin
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appear at the foot of her bed. Grandma Hamlin was
as real as anyone in the room. She was dressed
in her typical little blue polka dot dress, her white
hair up in a bun, wearing her familiar grandmother's shoes.
She stood there and shook her head a clear, firm no.
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She communicated to Joan that she should not use the triline.
Trusting this vision, Joan pushed the mask away, telling the
surprised nurse, no, I'll put up with the pain. Just
a minute or so later, Joan suddenly became sick and
vomited up the large meal she had eaten right before
the delivery. If she had been unconscious under this anesthetic,
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she would have aspirated and could have easily died. Joan
said that in that moment, she felt she had made
it to Grandma Hamlin's lap one last time, a loving
presence reaching across time and eternity to protect her. A
grandmother who had been gone for twenty two years was
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still on the job watching over her family. This phenomena,
known as deathbed visitations, is one of the most common
and most comforting experiences reported at the end of life.
It's a sacred time when the veil between the worlds
becomes so thin it's practically nonexistent. Doctor Christopher Kerr, a
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hospice and palliative care physician in Buffalo, New York, has
dedicated his career to studying these moments. For years. He
was a young, confident doctor who dismissed these stories as hallucinations.
He recalls being corrected by an experienced hospice nurse named
Nancy when he suggest more aggressive treatment for a dying patient.
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Nancy simply said, too late, he's dying. He's been dreaming
about his dead mother. The young doctor Kerr thought that
sounded crazy. Nancy's wise reply set the course for his
entire life's work. She told him, son, you must have
missed a lot of classes. After that moment, doctor Kerr
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started to listen. He and his team have now documented
over fifteen hundred end of life events, many of them videotaped.
What he discovered is that these are not random dreams.
As people get closer to death, they stop dreaming about
everyday worries and start dreaming with incredible reality about the
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people they have loved and lost. These dreams are described
as being more real than real. A dying person is
not just remembering they're loved ones, they are actually with them,
being comforted, reassured, and prepared for their journey. In his
book Death Is But a Dream, Doctor Kerr shares the
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story of a ninety one year old woman named Anne.
When she was admitted to hospice. She was having such
clear visions of her long deceased sister, Emily, that she
would wake up and ask the nurses where is Emily.
To Anne, her sister's presence was just as real as
the doctors and nurses in the room. She describes seeing
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a younger, healthier Emily going about her day in the room.
Wearing a familiar pea green dress, her hair up in
a loose bun, Anne would even stretch her arms out
to the ceiling, as if to embrace someone only she
could see. She told her family with absolute certainty, I'm
not going alone. Emily will be with me. And these
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comforting visits are not limited to people. Doctor Kerr's research
found that unlost pets are one of the most common
and joyful visitors at the end of life. He tells
the story of a woman who, in her final days,
found profound comfort from the presence of all the pets
she had ever loved, who she said were cuddling with
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her in her hospital bed. Doctor Kerr shares the unforgettable
story of a patient named Dwayne, a man who had
lived a very hard life on the street. He had
hurt many people and spent much time in prison. Near
the end, Dwayne was weeping, telling the nurses that he
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had been a sick and terrible person. But then something
remarkable happened. In his end of life dreams. He was
able to find a sense of peace and self forgiveness.
This allowed him to be a good father in his
final days, giving a sense of peace and comfort to
his daughter, who had suffered so much. One of the
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most powerful stories is that of John, a World War
II veteran who had survived the horrors of Omaha Beach.
For his entire life, he suffered from severe PTSD, never
speaking about the trauma, but screaming in the night from nightmares.
In his final weeks in hospice, these nightmares returned with
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a vengeance. He would cry out, reliving the terror, seeing
floating limbs and bloody water and dead soldiers all around him.
He couldn't rest, But then the dreams changed. One day,
he had a dream where he relived the single best
day of his life, the day he got his discharge
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papers from the army. After that, he had one final
healing dream. He was back on the beach, but it
was peaceful. A soldier he didn't know walked up to
him and simply said, now we're going to come and
get you. That sense that he had abandon and his friends,
the survivor's guilt he had carried for a lifetime had
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finally come full circle. His friends were coming for him.
After that dream, John found peace, He slept, and he
died peacefully. Soon after that story, shows the profound healing
that can happen at the end of life. But what
about those who are unconscious in a deep coma? Can
they hear us? Do they know we're there? The next
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story from doctor Scott Coleboba's collection gives us a stunning
and hopeful answer. This is a story about two doctors
who were the best of friends, doctor John Massett and
doctor Bob Cornell. Their greatest bond outside of medicine was
their love of fishing. Every morning they would meet in
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the doctor's lounge over coffee and donuts and trade fishing stories.
One morning, Bob didn't show up. Doctor Massett soon learned
the devastating news his friend had suffered a massive stroke
and was in a deep coma in the ICU. The
specialists believed he was essentially brain dead and would never
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wake up. They told John they would wait for three days,
but if there was no change, they would remove life support.
Doctor Massette was heartbroken and felt completely helpless. He was
being taken care of medically, but John felt an overwhelming
urge to do something more. He felt he needed to
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talk to his friend. Feeling a bit self conscious, he
looked around to make sure there was no one in
the little cubicle in the ICU. He pulled his chair
right up to Bob's bedside. Bob was completely unresponsive. John
started talking to him, and he did the one thing
that connected them the most. He told him a fishing story.
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He told Bob a story he had never shared before,
about an incredible trip to the Mackenzie River in Canada.
He described the crystal clear water, the thrill of flying in,
and how the river was so full of fish they
were practically jumping onto the hook. He told Bob how
his arms were sore by the end of the day
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from reeling in so many beautiful grayling Each day, he
came back and told his friend another part of the story,
speaking into the silence, hoping on some level his words
were getting through. On the third day, John went to
the ICU with a heavy heart, knowing it was the
day they were going to let Bob go. When he arrived,
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his friend's room was empty, the bed was stripped, the
light was off. He thought his friend had died during
the night. He found the nurse and asked, when did
Bob die. The nurse started to laugh, which at first
really upset John, until she explained she said, he woke
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up yesterday. He's doing so well. He's already been moved
down to the step down unit. He's going to be fine.
John was thrilled. A few weeks later, after Bob had
been through rehabilitation, the two friends finally met again in
their old spot, the doctor's lounge. Bob's speech was slow
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and stuttered from the stroke, but his words were crystal clear.
He looked at John and said, John, thank you. You
were the only person who talked with me. He continued,
I love this story about the Grayling and the Mackenzie River.
That was one you've never told me before. I looked
forward to you coming every day to tell me those stories.
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John was overcome with emotion. He wondered if his stories,
his connection, had given his friend a reason to stay,
a reason to fight his way back. We'll never know
for sure, but we do know this, Doctor Bob Cornell,
a man in a deep coma with no signs of awareness,
heard every single word. His story is a powerful testament
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that we should never ever stop talking to our loved ones.
No matter what side of life they are on, they
can hear us, They know we are there, and our
love is a powerful anchor to this life. These stories
show us that dying is not a passive process of
shutting down. As doctor Kerr says, because you're dying does
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not mean you've stopped living. It is an intensely active
and meaningful final chapter of life, a time of profound,
emotional and spiritual work. It is a journey of transcendence
where the love of our family and friends, and even
pets and spirit come to light our way home. Time
for our break and we'll be right back. You're listening
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
Let's continue where life and the afterlife often meet in
the hospital room. This is the frontline, the place where
science and spirit collide and where doctors are most trusted
figures of logic and reason, and sometimes witness things that
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defy every page of their medical textbooks. These stories are
particularly powerful because they are not just accounts from the
experiencers themselves. They are told by the physicians who were there,
the ones who saw the charts, who ran the tests,
and who were left with the undeniable proof that something
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incredible was happening. Let's begin with this story from doctor
Scott Coleboba's collection a patient he called Cleveland. Cleveland was
an older gentleman who was rushed to the emergency room
after a severe hemorrhage at home. He had no blood pressure,
no pulse, he was completely unconscious. The scene in the
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emergency room was a bloody mess as the team frantically
worked to save his life, squeezing six units of blood
into him as fast as they could. Hours later, after
being stabilized, Cleveland woke up. The very first thing he
said to the er doctor was I love that beautiful
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music he played in the emergency room. He described hearing
the most beautiful, otherworldly music with instruments he had never
heard before. The doctor was confused and said, Cleveland, we
don't play music in the emergency room. Cleveland went on
to explain that when he heard the music, he was
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in a special, beautiful white room and felt a profound
sense of peace and warmth. He had wanted to stay there.
The er doctor, a man of science, was left with
a conclusion that his medical training could never have prepared
him for his patient, while clinically dead on the table,
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had been somewhere else. He had been in a place
of music and light. He had been in heavenation. That
consciousness can experience beauty even when the beauty is in
crisis is a recurring theme. But what about healing? Can
a miracle happen right before a doctor's eyes? Doctor Colbaba
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shared another story that gives me goosebumps every time I
think about it. It's the story of a woman named
Barbara who had been battling multiple sclerosis for years. Her
condition had become progressively worse. She had trouble seeing. She
had a tracheotomy tube in her throat to help her breathe.
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Her diaphragm was paralyzed, and she had to wear braces
on her legs because she could no longer walk. Her
lungs were constantly getting infected. Her doctor, doctor Marshall, determined
it was time for hospice. He certified that she had
less than six months to live. Her pastor came to
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see her for what he believed would be the last time.
She was not expected to live more than a week
or two. During this time, a local Christian radio show
heard about Barbara's story and put out a call for prayers.
Thousands of people from all over responded, sending letters of
hope and prayer to her. One day, Barbara's aunt arrived
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with a huge bag of these letters. As she was
visiting along with a couple of other people from the church,
Barbara suddenly heard something that no one else in the
room heard. It was a calm, clear voice that said,
my daughter, get up and walk. The command was so powerful,
so real, that Barbara immediately responded. She moved to the
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edge of her bed, stood up, took off her leg braces,
removed her oxygen, and started to walk. She then walked
into the living room where her parents were sitting. They
were in total shock. The physical therapist who was there
couldn't believe her eyes and repeatedly said, you can't do that,
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You can't do that, But Barbara could. She then began
to dance, performing a beautiful ballet for her stunned family.
The next night, she walked down the center aisle of
her church. The entire congregation, who knew she had been
at death's door, spontaneously broke out into a chorus of
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amazing grace. The next day she went to see her doctor.
They removed her tubes. The multiple sclerosis, the illness that
had crippled her and brought her to the brink of death,
was completely gone. She was totally cured. Barbara went on
to live another twenty five years, marrying a pastor and
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dedicating her life to helping others. It was a true,
medically documented miracle, sparked by the power of prayer and
a voice from beyond the veil. These stories of profound
tree transformation and healing are so important, and they aren't
just happening in operating rooms with near death experiences. Hospice
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doctor Christopher Kerr has documented how the same healing and
connection happens in the dreams of his patients again just
in their final days and weeks. In his book Death
Is But a Dream, Doctor Kerr shares the story of
a patient named Frank. Frank was in his nineties, a
man of sharp wit and a lifelong encyclopedic knowledge of baseball.
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He could recount stats, players and games from the very
beginning of the professional leagues. His passion for the sport
had sustained him his entire life. Yet, despite his sharp mind,
as Frank got closer to passing, his room became crowded
with deceased relatives that only he could see. At one point,
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he became very agitated and called for the exclaiming, I
can't sleep. Look, Doc, it's been great to see my
uncle Harry, but I wish he'd shut up. Uncle Harry,
it turned out had been dead for forty six years.
This shows how real these experiences are. They're not vague dreams.
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They have the texture and annoyance of real life. Three
days before he passed, Frank was slipping in and out
of consciousness when he suddenly cried out in wonder, I
am in nineteen twenty seven? I am a boy? How
did they do that? His end of life visions were
so vivid that his logical mind was trying to figure
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out the magic trick that was allowing him to time travel.
He was living with a foot in two worlds over time.
Frank's inner world experiences returned him to what he treasured most,
the love of his life, his wife Ruthie, who had
already passed away. The more he dreamt of her, the
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more he felt her presence, and the more peaceful he became.
He finally requested that all medical treatment be discontinued. He
wanted to join Ruthie in heaven. He died with the
peace and integrity of a life fully remembered and beautifully completed,
with his wife Ruthie waiting for him. Sometimes these end
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of life dreams provide a freedom that the person never
experienced in their earthly life. Doctor Kerr tells the story
of a patient named Doris. Doris had a very tough
childhood and had never experienced much love or freedom. Her
life had been one of hardship and limitation, but in
her end of life dreams, she was finally free. She
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had incredible dreams of flying through the air, soaring above
crowds and buildings, completely unimpeded and without fear. She said
it was one of the most exhilarating feelings she had
ever experienced. It made her feel so empowered, like a superhero,
she said. She even said to the people in her dream,
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all you have to do is have faith the size
of a mustard seed, and you can fly too. That
story of Doris finding freedom is beautiful, and these connections
aren't always about grand visions. Sometimes they're a deeply personal,
quiet moment that are just as powerful and just as real.
Take this story of Pam, a hospice social worker. She
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was caring for a patient named Paul, an interesting, an
accomplished man who was facing his cancer diagnosis with incredible grace.
Paul was a man who loved life. He loved driving
his sports car and spending time with his wife. Pam
developed a unique and special connection with him during her
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time in hospice. Pam had witnessed many patients see and
converse with their deceased life, but with Paul, something different happened.
For reasons she couldn't explain, she began to associate a
specific song with him, Eric Clapton's Tears in Heaven, especially
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the line will I See You in Heaven. She had
never connected a song to a patient like that before. Eventually,
Paul's health declined and he was moved into the impatient
hospice house. On a Friday, before leaving for the weekend,
Pam went to visit him. He was alert, and for
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the very first time, he asked her for a hug
and kiss. She knew in her heart it might be
their final goodbye. Early on that Sunday morning, Pam was
jolted awake from a peaceful sleep. Eric Clapton's Tears in
Heaven was playing loudly and clearly inside her mind. This
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wasn't a vague memory. It was as if the radio
had been switched on, but in her her head. Along
with the song, she felt an overwhelming sense of peace
wash over her, a profound comfort unlike anything she had
ever known. In that instant, she knew with absolute certainty
that Paul had passed. She noted the time and peacefully
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went back to sleep. When she went back into the
hospice on Monday morning, she asked the team what time
did Paul pass away. The time of death they gave
her was within the hour that she had woken up
with that song playing in her mind. This experience never
happened to her before or since. That moment with Paul.
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She was left to wonder was it Paul saying goodbye?
Was he letting her know he had found peace, or
was it his way of answering that question from the
song see You Did See Me in Heaven. It was
a beautiful, personal and evidential moment, a shared experience across
the veil by another caring professional the exact time of
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her patients passing. Here's a bit of trivia. Did you
know that? According to doctor Christopher Kerr's research, end of
life dreams are almost always comforting. He found that while
only six percent of patients had a distressing dream, even
those dreams led to a healing and a sense of
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resolution before they passed. And did you know that You
don't have to be dying to have a glimpse of
the other side. What's called a shared death experience is
a phenomena or a healthy person sitting at the bedside
of a dying loved one can feel or see a
part of their loved one's transition, like seeing a mist
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leave the body, or even accompanying them part way on
their journey into the light. You can go back to
my episode with William Peters to find out more about that.
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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.
We've heard incredible stories today from surgeons and hospice doctors
and a hospice nurse. But the evidence for the afterlife
doesn't just come from the world of medicine. It also
comes from the world of hard science, from a man
who understood the laws of physics and engineering. This is
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the story of doctor Allan Hugenot. Doctor Hugenot holds a
doctorate of Science and mechanical engineering and is a nationally
recognized expert in physics. His life was built on logic, mathematics,
and the predictable material world. Then, in nineteen seventy, long
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before near death experiences or a common topic, his logical
world was completely shattered. He was a young college physics
major riding his bicycle home from work when a car
turned directly in front of him. The impact was catastrophic.
He suffered a shattered femur, a broken wrist and elbow,
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and severe head trauma that left him in a coma
for twelve hours. While his body lay broken in a
hospital bed, his consciousness went on the most real journey
of his life. He remembers going directly to a brilliant,
beautiful light. He didn't see a tunnel on the way there,
but he remembers the journey back. He described it as
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if he was coming through flames or sparklers, a powerful,
energetic return into the dense physical world. He remembers slamming
back into his body, a body now filled with excruciating
pain that was much more than just his injuries. It
was the pain of physical existence itself. After being in
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a place of pure, painless spirit, he described how every
sensation in our world is a form of pressure, and
after the freedom of spirit, returning to a body felt thick, dense,
and awful. In the light, he felt a sense of
being home, a feeling of knowing and being known that
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was one thousand years deep. But back in his body,
he was just a patient and a h hospital bed.
When he tried to explain what had happened to the
hospital psychiatrist that he had died and gone to the light,
he was met with total disbelief. In the nineteen seventies,
there was no framework for this, they told him he
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was delusional. They wanted to have him committed to a
psychiatric facility. In a dramatic turn of events, his orthopedic
surgeon discharged him five days early, wheeling him out the
back door via a freight elevator, just to get him
away from the psychiatrists. As doctor Huguenot says, in those days,
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they wanted to put me in a nuthouse. Now they
pay me to speak. His experience gave him a unique perspective.
He spent his career working with the concrete laws of
Newtonian physics, all the while knowing that a much bigger,
more profound reality existed just beyond our senses. He likens
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it to talking with skeptics about Mexico. He says, I've
been to Mexico. You haven't, so you claim Mexico is
not there. Why don't you come along with me and
we can discover Mexico together. And what did he learn
in this other country? He learned that the universe is
far more vast and conscious than mainstream science admits. He
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points out that scientists now say that everything we can see,
all the stars, planets, and galaxies, make up only four
percent of the universe. The other ninety six percent is
made of dark matter and dark energy, which is really
just a fancy way of saying we have absolutely no
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idea what it is. Yet, as he notes, some of
these same scientists will say with absolute certainty that there
is no afterlife. How can you be so sure of
what's not in that six percent of reality you admit
you can't see. Doctor Huguenot explains that the problem lies
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with an outdated belief system called materialism, which insists that
only the physical world is real. He argues that this
isn't even supported by modern science. The very founders of
quantum physics, scientists like Max Planck, believe that consciousness was fundamental,
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that mind is the matrix of matter. He often explains
the famous double slit experiment, which proves that particles at
the quantum level only behave like solid matter when a
conscious mind is observing them, Otherwise they remain in a
state of pure potential, a wave of possibility. The experiment
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even shows that a particle knows it's being watched and
changes its behavior retroactively backwards in time. This proves, he says,
that the universe is conscious and responds to our intentions.
If a tiny photon is conscious, he argues, then we
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must live in a conscious universe. Doctor Huguenot's personal journey
didn't end with his near death experience. When he came back,
he was incredibly empathic, able to feel what everyone in
a room was thinking and feeling. It was overwhelming for him,
so for years he learned to shut it down. But
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as he neared retirement, he decided it was time to
explore these abilities. He began to study mediumship, first through
a correspondence course, and then he studied at the renowned
Arthur Finley College in England. He applied his scientific mind
to the process, demanding evidence. He now works as a
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research medium with top scientists like doctor Gary Schwartz at
the University of Arizona, testing these abilities under strict laboratory conditions.
He shared one incredible story from a triple blind study.
He was in a shielded room giving five minute readings
to employees. He had never met one sitter, A woman
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named Mary Franklin, came in. He immediately connected with her grandmother,
who had died before Mary was born. He got the
name Mary, but then struggled to say May, May, May.
He couldn't quite get the name out. The spirit then
gave him the middle name Adelaide. He didn't know that
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Mary Franklin had been named after this very grandmother, But
what about the May May May. Three weeks later, Mary's
cousin found an old photograph and on the back it
said Mary Adelaide nicknamed Maymy. The information he was struggling
to say was the grandmother's unique nickname, a detail no
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one in the room, not even Mary herself, had known.
He hadn't read anybody's mind. It connected with a consciousness
that held the truth. Doctor Alan Hugenot's life is a
testament to the fact that science and spirituality are not enemies.
They are two different languages trying to describe the same
magnificent conscious universe. His journey from a man of pure
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physics to a man of profound spiritual evidence shows us
that the greatest truths are found when we have the
courage to explore beyond the limits of what we think
we know. Doctor Hugenot's scientific foundation is what makes his
work with the Soul Phone Foundation so compelling. Working with
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doctor Gary Schwartz at the University of Arizona, the goal
is to create technology that will allow for direct, real
time communication with those in the afterlife, and according to
doctor Hugueno, the science is already here. He explained that
the first step, what they call the soul switch, has
already proven technology. It can detect the presence of a
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spirit and allow for clear yes or no answer, which
can be used to answer any question. The next step,
which he believes may be within the next five or
ten years, is texting. Imagine texting your deceased loved ones
and getting a text message back. He says this technology
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exists and they are actively working on it with guidance
from scientists on the other side. In ten to twenty
years from now, he envisions video communication. He described being
able to sit in especially shielded booth and you see
a full holographic image of your loved one materialize in
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front of you, speaking with their own voice, wearing clothes.
You remember when you ask how this is poss he explains,
it's about understanding frequencies Our loved ones exist in a
vibration that he calls the far ultraviolet, a frequency our
physical eyes can't see, just like we can't see infrared.
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The technology they are developing is essentially a camera that
can see in that far ultraviolet range and translated into
an image that is visible to all of us. Doctor
Alan Hugenot's life, a journey from a man of pure
physics to a man of profound spiritual evidence, shows us
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that science and spirituality are not enemies. They are two
different languages trying to describe the same magnificent, conscious universe.
His work is a powerful promise that one day we
may not need to rely on signs or mediums, but
can simply pick up a device and have a conversation
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with those we love, proving once and for all that
they are not gone, They're just living in a different room. Now,
I know that can sound like a fantasy, like something
out of a science fiction movie, but let's just think
about this for a moment. Imagine trying to explain your
cell phone to someone living just one hundred and fifty
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years ago. Could they possibly have imagined a world where
we could capture a person's voice on a recording device
and see someone from the other side of the planet,
or that we could travel in an airplane thirty thousand
feet above the earth. What seems like magic in one
century often becomes everyday technology in the next, and This
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idea of instant wireless communication was actually predicted by one
of the greatest scientific minds in history over one hundred
years ago. The brilliant inventor Nikola Tesla said, when wireless
is perfectly applied, the whole earth will be converted into
a huge brain, and the instruments through which we shall
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be able to do this will be amazingly simple. A
man will be able to carry one in his vest pocket.
He was describing the smartphone a century before it existed.
If he could see that far into our technological future, maybe,
just maybe the future doctor Alan Hugeno and others are
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working towards with the afterlife isn't so far fetched at all.
I invite you to pick up a copy of Death
Is But a Dream and Physicians Untold Stories by our
doctors today and come visit me at We Don't Die
dot com. I'm Sandra Champlain. Thank you so much for
listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the iHeartRadio and
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