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July 12, 2024 14 mins

The latest edition of 'The All-Star Panel' features Rugby Writer Jamie Wall and Rugby Commentator Hamish McKay. 

On this weekend's agenda: 

Scott 'Razor' Robertson's sticks with very similar side, are we worried about the Eden Park record? And is football really coming home to England?  

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from Youth Talks be All Sport Breakfast All Star Panel.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
And our All Star panel consists of mister Hamish mcgae,
Good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Oh cracking da is too, Darcy fantastic.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Like the sound of that, mister positivity and happy as
a claim.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Jamie Wall as well.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Hello, Jamie Cura, Darcy Cura, homersh great toy church. Chatting
with you guys this morning.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Weight.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I suppose we get things underway. Let's start off with
you mister McKay, same sides pretty much. There's a late
change for England, but only two tweaks before that. What
does that say to you about this test match?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Well, I think the sort of physical maneuvers of Razor
Robertson and the coach's box in the last few minutes
of last weekend says everything about the importance of this game.
There's no longer you know, all an energy team coming
down here, giving it one shot and then just sort
of dropping it for the next test. This is a
very good England side and I think apart from the

(01:14):
scrum and even though we did start to get penalized,
late in the game, I thought, you know, there was
nothing in it, and I don't expect it to be
any different tonight, and I just hope that we've got
a little bit more to offer in terms of I
almost feel like we make an excuse this by saying, oh,
the English rushing defense, well, hold on them, and everybody
has to counter that. So let's come up with something
a little less static in the midfield to try and

(01:35):
counter that, and really see if we're going to assert
that scrum dominance. You know it's going to be one
how of a test max conditions would be great and
you know it's fifty one forty nine either way, I'm
not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, it's not a case Jamie Wall of complaining about
rush to fence. It's like anything in life, it's how
you react to issues and that's what has to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
What is Razor and the mates? Do his mates do? Now?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
As far as trying to counter that, what has been
the reason he successful? Hell has been going on five six,
seven years way of dealing with all black rugby.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
So how are going to respond?

Speaker 5 (02:13):
I'd say it goes back further than that. I mean
rushing out of the line to put pressure on a
on a guy with the boar has been something that's
been handing the robious since it was.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Here in the last decade or so.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Isn't it all Well, it's just the way that they've
used it, and if and on a second look at
the game, what you can see is that they're sending
up guys out of the line that the Allboats probably
weren't expecting. At the back end of that first half,
once it became clear that the Albocs had he tricks
up in the sleeves, the English had realigned themselves and

(02:47):
we're we're and we're sending up guys who the Ablacts
were expecting at McKenzie and who were standing at first
receiver with someone else hanging him behind to do that
Jack And when that penalty, I feel like at halftime
Scott Robinson had being his first test, had just sat
down and just said, look, boys, you know we're just
going to have to just wipe it out and go
to the most basic game playing possible, which is to

(03:10):
pin the English in their own half. So that was
his response last week to answer your question, I guess
what they'll do tonight After a week of being able
to sit down and figure it out is going to
be interesting. And also what the English do to counter that.
So it really feels like a real game of chess
right now between Steve Worthwick and Scott Robertson.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
And there's been shots fired to a degree almost barely
being tipped in the ocean. Hamous from Barthwick suggesting that
changes in attitude, application and tactics may well have to
happen because that's what the all black fan base wants.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I like what he's doing here.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah look, and you think, okay, so we have to
what are we doing to counter the counter that rush defense?
So think back to when we played Ireland and there
was that in the World Cup quarter final, that mercurial
move where Jusement had worked out once the ball goes
past the an opposing team to the Irish pass first five,

(04:10):
nobody scored for about three years from set play.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
So what does he do?

Speaker 3 (04:13):
He is the Mulonga ball backing and to Jordan Closen
comes up with, we've just got to come up with
something creative. And and and Raizor we trust because you
know that that pedestal's very high. There's a good brains
trust around him with Alfree Holland and these guys. They've
got a creativity, but it's it's got to be we
expect a little bit of ex factor magic to counter that,

(04:36):
so you know Worth it's played a pretty clear the
game during the weekends and their interesting tactic yesterday of
hardly doing anything Captain's run. So no, it's set up
for a ding dull, old fashioned test mess. It's gonna
be a beauty.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
I mean some earlier in the show, Jamie.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
He could be catastrophic for Ray Robertson because as much
as we love a victorious New Zealand team, we hold
our losses dearly more so it weighs us down. Now
not saying it's going to happen. The ta b have
got his Zelm, there's warm favorites, but it would be
a rotten start to his tenure being a first coach
in thirty years to lose a test, to lose a

(05:13):
Test at Eden Park.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
So this has just added weight, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (05:18):
Yeah, yeah, you're right. In Another little mind game that
Boswick played during the week was to say that the
pressure was actually more on the All Blacks rather than
the English to win Edden Park, because that's all we
seem to talk about when the Albacks played Eden Park
now taken on this sort of mythical level of reverence
this streak, but actually if you look at the strength

(05:40):
of schedule that the Albox actually had at Eden Park
over the last thirty years, and I know this has
been done before, but it doesn't actually hold up to
that much scrutiny. The spring Boxs have only played there
four times in the last thirty years. I think they've
played mostly bad Australian teams. I think I think it's

(06:00):
like twentieth twenty tests and six out of the last
seven have been in is bad all of these sides.
So I mean it's going to have to end someday. Yeah,
whether it ends under Scott Robinson's reign sort of remains
to be seen. But I don't think it's going to
end tonight. I just think maybe the English had their

(06:23):
chance last week. That seemed to be their action from
their journalists that they're not going to get a better
shot at it. Had it not been for a couple
of miscakes by Marcus Smith, we might have had a
very very different week talking about the All Blacks leading
up to this test.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
More will be revealed this evening post at seven o'clock.
Jamie Wall Homus mckaya All Star Panel. Still plenty to
talk about. We're actually going to look forward to the
possibility of the English football team winning something. Is it
coming home? Why did they say coming home? Help me

(07:01):
with this one? I don't know. Maybe Hamish and Jamie
can fill in the gaps for us.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Next.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
This is news stalks being nineteen away from nine And
this says newstalk's heb on the All Star panel, Hamers
mcguy Jamie Wall joining his Hamers football's coming home. It
comes from the the theme song back in the day

(07:30):
for the World Cup. That's where it comes from and
people just won't let it go. But it's never been there,
has it?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Really?

Speaker 4 (07:36):
When was a lot of something? Then won anything?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
How can I be coming home to a place it's
never been?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, well, you know, I mean the World Cup, what
was it sixty six? They won with three West Ham
United players and you know it's a fear of a
while ago. I hadn't even had my first birthday. It's
a long time since they won and anything. They were
really interesting. I had to crack up when I saw
world Harry Ridnet get in and talk about the what
was the last time they knew? It was two thousand

(08:02):
and Ford and they go reasonably close. But you know,
and he compared the two teams and I think he's
only got two of the maybe three of the current
teams as opposed to the twenty fourteen, which doesn't give
them that much hope as they go into the final
against the Spaniards. But yeah, you know what, you know,
like our friends from the mother country alike, they sort
of like the sort of they're just flash a little

(08:24):
bit of superiority every once in a while, and I
think that coming home suns that up.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
You'd be pretty mean spirited, Jamie, though not to wish
them well after what they've gone through and especially Gareth
Southgates come so close. This is probably the end of
the line in the way the tournament's gone for them
so far.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
They've been a bit poor. But it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
There's ninety minutes hopefully not extra to change the whole
narrative of Euro twenty twenty four. They're there now, they're
at the last dancing itnything can happen.

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Yeah, Well, the thing I've loved about this English campaign
is that despite the fact that they've top the group
and they've come through to a semi final and they're
going into a final as arguable favorites. I think is
that the fans have just complained the whole way through,
which is the most English thing to do that possible.

(09:13):
It's been very funny to see and it's I mean,
you know, if they win the final and I guess
what you'd call a boring game or I don't know,
like they sort of get some sort of gold mouse
scrambled to win it and added time or something, I mean,
not still complain about it. It's just been It's hilarious.
So they've just completely lived up to the national stereotype
in such a such an overt way. But no, you're right,

(09:36):
I quite like this team. I don't I don't have
any issues with Gara Southgate. They seem like a good
bunch of guys, and of course, like most New Zealanders,
it's the team that I know the most about, so yeah,
I'm wishing them well. It was kind of cool to
talk to the English rugby team during the week. You know,
they were fully on board with that as well. They
were getting up and watching the game, watch the game,

(09:56):
during the week, so it was just nice to see
that enthusieaars with football from a bunch of guys a
long way away from home.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Did they stand in a queue, as they complained Jamie,
just to push through this stereotime again.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
I think I've gone pretty close to really remming home
the Jude I don't want to find you.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Please don't please don't.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
A lot of us are related, you know, so we
can't be that angry about it. Hamers just still on
this to we touch on that something that really has
I suppose been England right the way through this tournament.
I'd say they're going to win in the eighty ninth
minute because they've pulled victories out of the fire right
the way through this tournament, and that would kind of

(10:38):
be a fitting in, wouldn't it.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, and to go I mean, I mean it seems
like going down one nill almost helps them. I mean,
when they were down and nil in that last gap,
so that's it, you know, but the way they come
back and yeah, oh you've got look, I've got some
hot asses in the you know, the particular rises of
this world. They got some guys that Harry Kanes. I mean,
they you know, they got a bit of they've got
a bit of tecker, so at at the end of

(11:02):
the day, at the end of the ninety minutes plus
whatever extra time, that that counts hell of a lot.
So you can't say that that's sort of a you know,
they're not going to roll over for anybody, so that'll
be it's at the bitter end, you know. I'd love
them to want it to be perfectly honest.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
I think we should let that go now.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
We'll go back to football closer to home though, Jamie
mount Smart, is that the right place for Auckland FC
to set up camp?

Speaker 5 (11:28):
I mean yes with an if and no with a butt.
I think because it is. It is the right shape
to start. It's probably in the right it's it's in
the wrong part of town, it's at a place where
nothing's really worked except rugby league, and it's so synonymous
with one team that plays a different sport that it's
going to take some pretty creative marketing and fan engagement

(11:52):
to get football fans along there, especially when we've kind
of been led to believe quite quite I'm not really
sure why, because Bill Faly never really said it that
this team was going to build like a new stadium
out on the waterfront. He just sort of it's it's
quite obvious that that sort of came up, and they

(12:13):
were quite happy for that story to just keep going
because it kept them in the headlines for a while.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
But Jamie, that's what he told me let him on
the program.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Well, well you got the scoop then, didn't you. But
I don't think that. I mean, obviously that's not going
to happen anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Because he met Augland Council. I see, mate, you haven't
met me. He goes, ah, I get things done. I'm like, okay,
we'll just hold that thought.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Yeah, true, but I think that it's it's good for now.
But they sort of hopefully what they can do with
it is turned into into a real reason to build
a new stadium somewhere, If not the big one that
they want on the waterfront, then something will befitting of
a football team in the A League. So yeah, I mean,

(12:59):
if they can make it work, then yes, but if not,
it's gonna be really unfortunate to see the sort of
same scenes and saw with the old Football Kings and
the Newsy Old Knights.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Thamus just wrap it up for us because to me,
Mount Smart as the home of the Big day Out
always will be regardless.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, well, let's hope there's the same sort of enthusiast,
enthusiasm and characters that would turn up to the Big
day out.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
The same crowd would be good, wouldn't I what?

Speaker 3 (13:30):
Look, I was a little bit surprised, but then I
thought about it, Well, I couldn't. I wouldn't be going
over to the shore, not that there's even an option
really there to be Pever, be honest with I see
they're basing themselves there. I don't know Mount Smart will
be all right, but I couldn't think anything better than
you know, fifteen twenty thousand on a regular basis rolling
out of a stadium built on some currently contaminated ground

(13:50):
down on the waterfront. That would be magnificent. But it's
not going to be for a while.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
We're never going to get another stadium, guys, just live
with that will be long dead before that happens. Hamous,
thanks very much for your time and opinion, and Jamie Wall.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
For yours as well. Have wonderful weekends.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Mean cheers his boys.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
It is ten minutes to nine All Star Panel.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Wall and Mackay joining.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Us, weeping a little tear thinking about the healthy and
days of the big day out. Oh. I saw some
cracking acts there. I tell you, sorry to was fans,
but you know that was Yeah. I saw some very
strange things there to be fair as well. Thank you
and your dove.

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