The latest edition of 'The All-Star Panel' features Sports Journalist Andrew Gourdie and Rugby Writer Jamie Wall.
On this weekend's agenda:
Why have the Crusaders kept Rob Penney in the top role? Was the Olympics Triathlon a success, and do we have more doping trouble at the Olympics in the swimming?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldegrave from News Talk S'B.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is the All Star panel. We're joining on the
program by or our recidivist panelist, mister Jamie Wall. Good
morning to you, sir.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Good to be talking with you.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And Andrew Gordy, who probably should know better, but there
you go. We reeled them and anyway, if we got
some compromising photograssy or something, Gordy so.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Many, mate, I don't know how you got hold of them,
but look here we are, and look I'm happy to
be on the program, very happy.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
To be on the program.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Great to have you both on what's been a tremendous
week's entertainment Olympic wise, at least anyway. But we'll start
off with a bit of rugby, shall we, Jamie Wall,
Crusaders are keeping penny. Where do you sit on this? Well?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
On behalf of every other team in New I'm thank
you very much. I mean, I can't believe this has happened.
This is insane, This is actually this is like when
the All Blacks kept the imposter, but probably about ten
tons more ridiculous. I would love to know what is
going on in the sport like this is such a
hangover from the imagey era that coaches can go this
(01:14):
far with these sort of results and not get sacked.
I mean, think about what will be happening right now
if this was the Premier League, the NRL, any American sport, literally,
any other sport in the world where you get judged
on performance and results first and foremost in daylight second.
(01:34):
But no, not in rugby because it just comes down
to who you're friends with, Andrew that they don't want
to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Can I throw this at you the Henry calls because
that was arguably ashamed, was what? It worked out quite
well on the end. Is there any way you can
correlate those two?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Oh god, look, the first thing I'll say, you're talking
about having compromising photos of me to get me on
this program. I'm wondering if Rob Kenny's got compromising photos
of Colin Manstreet, because that's the only explanation possible for
why this man has been retained, Jamie taking the words
right out of my mouth, though, it is a massive
hangover from the amateur era, and you're absolutely right, mate,
if this was the Premier League or any other self
(02:13):
respecting professional competition and world sport, he would have been
gone long ago, long ago. And this is part of
the problem that Super Rugby has is that Super Rugby
struggles the narrative. We don't have players generally, you know,
changing between teams, changing between clubs, and this is another
If there was genuine pressure and we knew that the
(02:35):
acts was hanging over over an underperforming coach and a franchise,
you know, with a history and a reputation as rich
as the Crusaders, we'd have something to talk about. Now
that's obviously uncomfortable for Rob Henny, but that's the reality
of professional sport. And until Super Rugby can get to
that position, I think they're going to really struggle to
get this sort of cut through and mainstream sort of
(02:56):
fan engagement that they desperately.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Need, powerful means to limits that one those compromising pictures
of column. Thanks for the first thing in the morning, Janie, welcome.
We will just be forgiven though. If the Crusaders to
actually turn up and win or at least get to
the final next season.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I don't think anything other than an actual return to
what they were before is I'm going to fix this
and with their playing staff and their coaching stuff. I
just can't see that happening. And it's to be honest, man,
it's just it's actually kind of not that much of
a surprise when you look at who's actually in charge
of rugby teams around the world, Like it seems to
(03:34):
be very locked off community of players from a certain
era who are intent on only hiring their friends. I mean,
you know, yes, they always to going great guns at
the moment, and you know, I've got nothing sort of
bad to say about the coaching stuff, but it is
a bunch of guys who have been mates for ages
that are running that show. And I mean, yeah, there
is a sort of point where you go, Okay, well,
(03:56):
clearly you want to hire and work with people who
you know and you trust and everything like that. But
it just kind of sees something about just how that
whole environment is and about who you are and who
you know and the doors that it opens for you.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, let's just leave that where it lies, because it's
the Olympic season, not the rugby season. Let's talk about
the Olympics. Andrew Gordy, are you still stunned that the
Olympics legacy will be holding a triathlon in an open sewer.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
It's just an absolute face, isn't it. And as you know,
Filmer mates, we're talking about this the other day, that
whole idea of Olympic athletes swimming in the sem didn't
pass the sniff test when it first came about, when
it was first moted, and it certainly did. Like it
all just came home to roost and it was such
(04:45):
a joke. And to think that you would put Olympic
athletes who are building up towards this one event, this
one day, this one moment in their careers for so
many of them, and to have it compromised by something
as ridiculous as, oh, we want the pretty pictures of
these athletes coming down the Seine. It's just irresponsible, frankly,
(05:10):
and I really felt sorry for the athletes, obviously, in
particular Haydn, while we obviously had a vested interest, and
what an incredible performance that was, by the way, and
what a gripping race that turned out to be. But yeah,
I don't know that we should let that overshadow what
a ridiculous decision that was. I mean, I get that
the Olympics is in Paris and you want to make.
You know, they want to make the most of that,
(05:31):
and they want to show to the world what a
beautiful place Paris is in case you've never heard of it,
and you know you might want to travel there. But
let's be real here, You've got to you've got to
look after the athletes. You've got to have their best
interest at the heart, both physically and like I say, mentally,
this is a this is their big day. This is
a big moment in their lives, and to have it
compromised by something like whether the weather is nice that
(05:55):
day is just bartical.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Hey, Jamie, you's surprised they didn't get in the blood
of the masters and get some of that blue die
over here, so at least they could pretend it was
in a half decent state. And Andrew makes great points
around that. But you also go on to say that
the race itself, after they got out of a drink
was a phenom that comeback from else was. I don't
think of saying anything like it before. It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, yeah, it was an incredible race, well worth staying
up to watch. But yeah, to your point, and I mean,
if this was done based on some sort of decision
around we need to showcase Paris. I mean, come on,
who doesn't know what Paris looks like? Really? And then
secondly it really also unfortunately does go to show that
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where athletes actually are in the picking water when it
comes to making decision making around these things, and how
little care powerbrokers actually do have when there's clearly money involved,
because yeah, that's pretty much where it would have come from,
which was someone saying, oh, wouldn't it be great if
we did it? And you know we can see the
off tower the background, have them in the river. I mean,
(07:03):
just the fact that you haven't been able to woman
that river like it's been illegal just woman that river
since before the First World War. It just sums up
just how insane that that whole thing is, and the
fact that they then thought, oh, but we can just
clean that up in twenty four hours. I mean, I'm
I mean, big up to the commentators for not making
a pippy la pure joke at some point around there.
(07:24):
But like, at least it was at least it was
salvaged by an incredible finish and also well done to
Hayden Wild what a great race, and we done to
Edam Yu for taking gold. It's one of those races
with absolutely no shame at all in coming seconds and on.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That would just pause Jamie Waller Andrew Gordy joining us
those con financial decisions even man, what do they spend
two point four billion dollars in New Zealand. I'm trying
to clean this thing up. What anyway, It's eight forty
four more from the All Star panel. I've next are
on newstalk ZBar, Andrew Gordy and Jamie wall are our
(08:08):
guess that is eight of forty six. Got a text
in for you, Andrew. It says nice to hear Andrew Gordy.
We miss him in that lovely.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It's very nice to my mum. Glad, glad to know
she's listening. That's great.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I'm great. I think my mother would be capable of texting.
But that's another story.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I'm sorry, I'm not. She's fine. She'd find it's a
good snot in a realm. Let's move back to the
Olympic Games, and why wouldn't we? It is, of course
the purpose of our last week. In the next week,
will Zoey Hobbs medal? Jamie, Well, I'll go and say it.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
No, I don't think I don't think so. I don't
think so. But I think that her an achievement of
her making a final, making one hundred meters final is
probably as good as a gold medal in my opinion.
I think that this is an event that I think,
I think you hasn't had a representative in the Olympic
fine for one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well we may can last swim in the Seine, say
what happened to them?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Definitely, So I think that I think that what just
simply being there on the world stage is an incredible
achievement in itself. And she looked good in her heat
last night, So yeah, looking forward to her her racing
because it's just something that we're not used to seeing,
like a New Zealander on a start line and just
(09:27):
simply seeing the flag in her name on the start
of an Olympic one hundred meters. It's probably the highlight
of the Olympics so far for me.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, And this has been brewing Andrew since the failure.
Often he's in an Olympic committee to select their last time.
So it's kind of a great sweet payback, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It would be fantastic. I couldn't agree more with you, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Just simply seeing her in a final, well, I say,
simply seeing her in a final would be a massive,
massive success. It's all about relative to expectations, right, So
this would be like like the All Whites going undefeated
at the twenty ten World Cup, wouldn't it relative to expectations?
No one could have predicted that. So to see in
New Zealander lining up in the start of a one
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hundred meters final at an Olympic Games would be success
in itself, and whatever she does from there would be
would be just magic.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So I wish her all the best.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
No, she's not going to meddle, but yeah, just to
have someone lining up in a blue ribbon event, a
genuine you know, the one sort of event that every
single person who's a closed follower of the Olympic Games
will be tuning into watch would be very special for
the country and for Zoe.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, let's face at the Olympic Games that covers well
how many thirty four sports, but it's all about the
track and field. That's really what the focus on and
just what we mentioned as well around how proud we
will be of Zoe. Should you get to the final.
The fact that is a semi final is good because
I look at the much lauded rollers and year we've
got a bronze and a silver and a gold and
(10:52):
unfortunately Manson and Parry didn't, but they qualified for a final.
And I don't think that again can be under played,
can it, Jamie, No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I think that there wasn't. Obviously, the amount of expectations
on the rowing team that was four years ago or
three years ago rather and that you know that would
come out with another middle balls has been been really
great because it is a sport that, to be fair,
like we should have some serious expectations over a lot
of funding, an effort gets put in and they deliver
(11:23):
to be fair. But you know, there was this is
just one of those ones going on where you know,
there's a lot of hopes on Emma twig tonight. Like
you know, again you talk about Blue Ribbon events. Obviously
the men's and women's single skulls is the big one
for that, so you know, high hopes on her and
Tim Tom mcintott to me, Tom McIntosh and the and
the men's as well. You know, hopefully he can he
(11:46):
can do something. But yeah, another goal for em a
twig would be some sort of story, It really would.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Do you think, Andrew Gordy, that the Chinese swimmer has
been mechanical doping? Does does he have a little propeller
in his heels? Because this victory and the people saying
it's not humanly possible be made of that.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Oh, come on, Darcy, I don't believe that for a second.
There's absolutely no sort of evidence, no suggestion whatsoever that
a Chinese swimmer would be doping. I mean, I'm sure
that just like when I come on your program, I
just have twelve coffees and thirty eight red balls and
I'm good to go. So no, I don't know why
anyone would suggest for a moment that this man is
not capable of pulling off performances like this. I mean, yeah,
(12:28):
it does raise few eyebrows, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It, Jamie who wins by a length in that short
of swim? It is astonishing, isn't it? Or are we
just going, hey must be guilty. Although they do have
a history, haven't they?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, they do, And I think it's fear that there's
some questions. I think this should be Chushi marsh race.
It was basically anything involved in the Olympics. When someone's winning,
i'd have much to be fair match. Yeah, But at
the same time, there was a bloke Calledian Thorpe. He
was doing stuff like this a while back, and no
one said anything about that. And I'm not suggesting he
(13:03):
did anything wrong or anything like that. It just it
seems to feel like this is the kind of narrative.
It's the same with cricket as well. When certain results
go certain ways, you immediately jump to a conclusion. And
I'm not saying it's I'm not saying it's not true
or anything like that, but you know, with certain things,
certain certain ways of thought kind of happened. So I'll
(13:24):
just maybe just you know, keep keep my mouth shut
on the floor.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Maybe just kind of tiptoe around the periphery and just
completely ignore the history around the swat takes you happened
previously because the government has well, can I just.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Say, Darcy, just on that, like, I understand why we're
having this conversation, right and in particular, you know some
of the revelations that came out about the Chinese swim team,
et cetera in recent months, does you know raise cause
for suspicion. But I honestly think this guy is innocent
until proven guilty, right, And and look that may come
out in the fullness of time whatever, because we've seen
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that time and time again, haven't we with and with
New Zealand athletes the benefits from it, you know, Val
Adams and Nick Willis being that the two primes amples there.
But I do think it would be wrong to just
automatically jump to the conclusion that this is impossible. There
must be a sinister reason behind it. Unfortunately, that's modern sport, right,
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and people are doing whatever they can to try and
bend the rules, you know, and find in each and whatnot.
But this guy is innocent and proven until proven guilty.
I'm happy for him to be, you know, an Olympic
gold medalist and to receive all the praise and if
it comes out in the wash, you know, who knows
how many years down the track. And like we've seen
these comments about what being the most tested athlete or
(14:40):
whatever in the in recent months. Well, you know, Lance
Armstrong was the same logny and we all sort of
we all sort of said, you know, wow, he's amazing,
He's a cut above the rest. Until it all came
crashing down. But I'm happy for him to have that.
I'm happy for him to have his moments for as
long as that takes, you know, and it could be forever.
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And I hope, I hope, I really do, because I
love to believe in the Olympic movement and everything that
represents that. He is completely Edison and he's just one
of the all time great swimmers. Let's just stay.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I'll leave you this final quote of revelations in April
that twenty three of the country swimmers tested positive for
band heart medication in twenty twenty one. But we're all
allowed to compete at the top. Yo Olympics. Okay that
was three years ago, but yeah, AnyWho. I love what
you said, Andrew, and I love you Jamie Wall with
the passion scarcely human gentlemen, Thank you so much for
your time.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Love you too.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Boys.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Cheer cheer. That was my fault. Six minutes the nine.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is the All Star panel. We're joining on the
program by or our recidivist panelist, mister Jamie Wall. Good
morning to you, sir.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Good to be talking with you.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And Andrew Gordy, who probably should know better, but there
you go. We reeled them and anyway, if we got
some compromising photograssy or something, Gordy so.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Many, mate, I don't know how you got hold of them,
but look here we are, and look I'm happy to
be on the program, very happy.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
To be on the program.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Great to have you both on what's been a tremendous
week's entertainment Olympic wise, at least anyway. But we'll start
off with a bit of rugby, shall we, Jamie Wall,
Crusaders are keeping penny. Where do you sit on this? Well?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
On behalf of every other team in New I'm thank
you very much. I mean, I can't believe this has happened.
This is insane, This is actually this is like when
the All Blacks kept the imposter, but probably about ten
tons more ridiculous. I would love to know what is
going on in the sport like this is such a
hangover from the imagey era that coaches can go this
(01:14):
far with these sort of results and not get sacked.
I mean, think about what will be happening right now
if this was the Premier League, the NRL, any American sport, literally,
any other sport in the world where you get judged
on performance and results first and foremost in daylight second.
(01:34):
But no, not in rugby because it just comes down
to who you're friends with, Andrew that they don't want
to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Can I throw this at you the Henry calls because
that was arguably ashamed, was what? It worked out quite
well on the end. Is there any way you can
correlate those two?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Oh god, look, the first thing I'll say, you're talking
about having compromising photos of me to get me on
this program. I'm wondering if Rob Kenny's got compromising photos
of Colin Manstreet, because that's the only explanation possible for
why this man has been retained, Jamie taking the words
right out of my mouth, though, it is a massive
hangover from the amateur era, and you're absolutely right, mate,
if this was the Premier League or any other self
(02:13):
respecting professional competition and world sport, he would have been
gone long ago, long ago. And this is part of
the problem that Super Rugby has is that Super Rugby
struggles the narrative. We don't have players generally, you know,
changing between teams, changing between clubs, and this is another
If there was genuine pressure and we knew that the
(02:35):
acts was hanging over over an underperforming coach and a franchise,
you know, with a history and a reputation as rich
as the Crusaders, we'd have something to talk about. Now
that's obviously uncomfortable for Rob Henny, but that's the reality
of professional sport. And until Super Rugby can get to
that position, I think they're going to really struggle to
get this sort of cut through and mainstream sort of
(02:56):
fan engagement that they desperately.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Need, powerful means to limits that one those compromising pictures
of column. Thanks for the first thing in the morning, Janie, welcome.
We will just be forgiven though. If the Crusaders to
actually turn up and win or at least get to
the final next season.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I don't think anything other than an actual return to
what they were before is I'm going to fix this
and with their playing staff and their coaching stuff. I
just can't see that happening. And it's to be honest, man,
it's just it's actually kind of not that much of
a surprise when you look at who's actually in charge
of rugby teams around the world, Like it seems to
(03:34):
be very locked off community of players from a certain
era who are intent on only hiring their friends. I mean,
you know, yes, they always to going great guns at
the moment, and you know, I've got nothing sort of
bad to say about the coaching stuff, but it is
a bunch of guys who have been mates for ages
that are running that show. And I mean, yeah, there
is a sort of point where you go, Okay, well,
(03:56):
clearly you want to hire and work with people who
you know and you trust and everything like that. But
it just kind of sees something about just how that
whole environment is and about who you are and who
you know and the doors that it opens for you.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Well, let's just leave that where it lies, because it's
the Olympic season, not the rugby season. Let's talk about
the Olympics. Andrew Gordy, are you still stunned that the
Olympics legacy will be holding a triathlon in an open sewer.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
It's just an absolute face, isn't it. And as you know,
Filmer mates, we're talking about this the other day, that
whole idea of Olympic athletes swimming in the sem didn't
pass the sniff test when it first came about, when
it was first moted, and it certainly did. Like it
all just came home to roost and it was such
(04:45):
a joke. And to think that you would put Olympic
athletes who are building up towards this one event, this
one day, this one moment in their careers for so
many of them, and to have it compromised by something
as ridiculous as, oh, we want the pretty pictures of
these athletes coming down the Seine. It's just irresponsible, frankly,
(05:10):
and I really felt sorry for the athletes, obviously, in
particular Haydn, while we obviously had a vested interest, and
what an incredible performance that was, by the way, and
what a gripping race that turned out to be. But yeah,
I don't know that we should let that overshadow what
a ridiculous decision that was. I mean, I get that
the Olympics is in Paris and you want to make.
You know, they want to make the most of that,
(05:31):
and they want to show to the world what a
beautiful place Paris is in case you've never heard of it,
and you know you might want to travel there. But
let's be real here, You've got to you've got to
look after the athletes. You've got to have their best
interest at the heart, both physically and like I say, mentally,
this is a this is their big day. This is
a big moment in their lives, and to have it
compromised by something like whether the weather is nice that
(05:55):
day is just bartical.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Hey, Jamie, you's surprised they didn't get in the blood
of the masters and get some of that blue die
over here, so at least they could pretend it was
in a half decent state. And Andrew makes great points
around that. But you also go on to say that
the race itself, after they got out of a drink
was a phenom that comeback from else was. I don't
think of saying anything like it before. It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, yeah, it was an incredible race, well worth staying
up to watch. But yeah, to your point, and I mean,
if this was done based on some sort of decision
around we need to showcase Paris. I mean, come on,
who doesn't know what Paris looks like? Really? And then
secondly it really also unfortunately does go to show that
(06:42):
where athletes actually are in the picking water when it
comes to making decision making around these things, and how
little care powerbrokers actually do have when there's clearly money involved,
because yeah, that's pretty much where it would have come from,
which was someone saying, oh, wouldn't it be great if
we did it? And you know we can see the
off tower the background, have them in the river. I mean,
(07:03):
just the fact that you haven't been able to woman
that river like it's been illegal just woman that river
since before the First World War. It just sums up
just how insane that that whole thing is, and the
fact that they then thought, oh, but we can just
clean that up in twenty four hours. I mean, I'm
I mean, big up to the commentators for not making
a pippy la pure joke at some point around there.
(07:24):
But like, at least it was at least it was
salvaged by an incredible finish and also well done to
Hayden Wild what a great race, and we done to
Edam Yu for taking gold. It's one of those races
with absolutely no shame at all in coming seconds and on.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
That would just pause Jamie Waller Andrew Gordy joining us
those con financial decisions even man, what do they spend
two point four billion dollars in New Zealand. I'm trying
to clean this thing up. What anyway, It's eight forty
four more from the All Star panel. I've next are
on newstalk ZBar, Andrew Gordy and Jamie wall are our
(08:08):
guess that is eight of forty six. Got a text
in for you, Andrew. It says nice to hear Andrew Gordy.
We miss him in that lovely.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
It's very nice to my mum. Glad, glad to know
she's listening. That's great.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I'm great. I think my mother would be capable of texting.
But that's another story.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I'm sorry, I'm not. She's fine. She'd find it's a
good snot in a realm. Let's move back to the
Olympic Games, and why wouldn't we? It is, of course
the purpose of our last week. In the next week,
will Zoey Hobbs medal? Jamie, Well, I'll go and say it.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
No, I don't think I don't think so. I don't
think so. But I think that her an achievement of
her making a final, making one hundred meters final is
probably as good as a gold medal in my opinion.
I think that this is an event that I think,
I think you hasn't had a representative in the Olympic
fine for one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Well we may can last swim in the Seine, say
what happened to them?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Definitely, So I think that I think that what just
simply being there on the world stage is an incredible
achievement in itself. And she looked good in her heat
last night, So yeah, looking forward to her her racing
because it's just something that we're not used to seeing,
like a New Zealander on a start line and just
(09:27):
simply seeing the flag in her name on the start
of an Olympic one hundred meters. It's probably the highlight
of the Olympics so far for me.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, And this has been brewing Andrew since the failure.
Often he's in an Olympic committee to select their last time.
So it's kind of a great sweet payback, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
It would be fantastic. I couldn't agree more with you, Jamie.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Just simply seeing her in a final, well, I say,
simply seeing her in a final would be a massive,
massive success. It's all about relative to expectations, right, So
this would be like like the All Whites going undefeated
at the twenty ten World Cup, wouldn't it relative to expectations?
No one could have predicted that. So to see in
New Zealander lining up in the start of a one
(10:06):
hundred meters final at an Olympic Games would be success
in itself, and whatever she does from there would be
would be just magic.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So I wish her all the best.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
No, she's not going to meddle, but yeah, just to
have someone lining up in a blue ribbon event, a
genuine you know, the one sort of event that every
single person who's a closed follower of the Olympic Games
will be tuning into watch would be very special for
the country and for Zoe.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, let's face at the Olympic Games that covers well
how many thirty four sports, but it's all about the
track and field. That's really what the focus on and
just what we mentioned as well around how proud we
will be of Zoe. Should you get to the final.
The fact that is a semi final is good because
I look at the much lauded rollers and year we've
got a bronze and a silver and a gold and
(10:52):
unfortunately Manson and Parry didn't, but they qualified for a final.
And I don't think that again can be under played,
can it, Jamie, No, not at all.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I think that there wasn't. Obviously, the amount of expectations
on the rowing team that was four years ago or
three years ago rather and that you know that would
come out with another middle balls has been been really
great because it is a sport that, to be fair,
like we should have some serious expectations over a lot
of funding, an effort gets put in and they deliver
(11:23):
to be fair. But you know, there was this is
just one of those ones going on where you know,
there's a lot of hopes on Emma twig tonight. Like
you know, again you talk about Blue Ribbon events. Obviously
the men's and women's single skulls is the big one
for that, so you know, high hopes on her and
Tim Tom mcintott to me, Tom McIntosh and the and
the men's as well. You know, hopefully he can he
(11:46):
can do something. But yeah, another goal for em a
twig would be some sort of story, It really would.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Do you think, Andrew Gordy, that the Chinese swimmer has
been mechanical doping? Does does he have a little propeller
in his heels? Because this victory and the people saying
it's not humanly possible be made of that.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
Oh, come on, Darcy, I don't believe that for a second.
There's absolutely no sort of evidence, no suggestion whatsoever that
a Chinese swimmer would be doping. I mean, I'm sure
that just like when I come on your program, I
just have twelve coffees and thirty eight red balls and
I'm good to go. So no, I don't know why
anyone would suggest for a moment that this man is
not capable of pulling off performances like this. I mean, yeah,
(12:28):
it does raise few eyebrows, doesn't.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
It, Jamie who wins by a length in that short
of swim? It is astonishing, isn't it? Or are we
just going, hey must be guilty. Although they do have
a history, haven't they?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Yeah, they do, And I think it's fear that there's
some questions. I think this should be Chushi marsh race.
It was basically anything involved in the Olympics. When someone's winning,
i'd have much to be fair match. Yeah, But at
the same time, there was a bloke Calledian Thorpe. He
was doing stuff like this a while back, and no
one said anything about that. And I'm not suggesting he
(13:03):
did anything wrong or anything like that. It just it
seems to feel like this is the kind of narrative.
It's the same with cricket as well. When certain results
go certain ways, you immediately jump to a conclusion. And
I'm not saying it's I'm not saying it's not true
or anything like that, but you know, with certain things,
certain certain ways of thought kind of happened. So I'll
(13:24):
just maybe just you know, keep keep my mouth shut
on the floor.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Maybe just kind of tiptoe around the periphery and just
completely ignore the history around the swat takes you happened
previously because the government has well, can I just.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Say, Darcy, just on that, like, I understand why we're
having this conversation, right and in particular, you know some
of the revelations that came out about the Chinese swim team,
et cetera in recent months, does you know raise cause
for suspicion. But I honestly think this guy is innocent
until proven guilty, right, And and look that may come
out in the fullness of time whatever, because we've seen
(13:58):
that time and time again, haven't we with and with
New Zealand athletes the benefits from it, you know, Val
Adams and Nick Willis being that the two primes amples there.
But I do think it would be wrong to just
automatically jump to the conclusion that this is impossible. There
must be a sinister reason behind it. Unfortunately, that's modern sport, right,
(14:20):
and people are doing whatever they can to try and
bend the rules, you know, and find in each and whatnot.
But this guy is innocent and proven until proven guilty.
I'm happy for him to be, you know, an Olympic
gold medalist and to receive all the praise and if
it comes out in the wash, you know, who knows
how many years down the track. And like we've seen
these comments about what being the most tested athlete or
(14:40):
whatever in the in recent months. Well, you know, Lance
Armstrong was the same logny and we all sort of
we all sort of said, you know, wow, he's amazing,
He's a cut above the rest. Until it all came
crashing down. But I'm happy for him to have that.
I'm happy for him to have his moments for as
long as that takes, you know, and it could be forever.
(15:00):
And I hope, I hope, I really do, because I
love to believe in the Olympic movement and everything that
represents that. He is completely Edison and he's just one
of the all time great swimmers. Let's just stay.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I'll leave you this final quote of revelations in April
that twenty three of the country swimmers tested positive for
band heart medication in twenty twenty one. But we're all
allowed to compete at the top. Yo Olympics. Okay that
was three years ago, but yeah, AnyWho. I love what
you said, Andrew, and I love you Jamie Wall with
the passion scarcely human gentlemen, Thank you so much for
your time.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Love you too.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Boys.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Cheer cheer. That was my fault. Six minutes the nine.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
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