August 9, 2024 • 7 mins
Kayaker Aimee Fisher is aware it's not just Dame Lisa Carrington she needs to worry about in the Olympic women's K1 event.
The two Kiwi rivals eased into the semifinal stage after winning their respective heats.
But Fisher has pointed to Hungary's Tamara Csipes as another one to watch.
Former Olympic Kayaker Ben Fouhy joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to preview the event.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Wildegrave from Newstalk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Ben Filly joins the program. Now, of course we are
talking about the Olympic Games right in the thick of
what's being a sensational game so far for the Canoes.
Ben knows it's in about two thousand and four Athens
K one one thousand picked up a silver, World Championship,
gold and three in the same discipline and also a
bronze in two thousand and six and the K one
(00:33):
one thousand, Ben, you must be loving what our crews
are delivering at the moment and what's coming up with
the two K one runners in the form of Fisher
and Lisa Carrington. This is too much for all of us.
I think you must be blowing your mind out of
this one.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, absolutely incredible to watch. It's after Tokyo only three
years ago. How could they beat that? And I mean
this is some excellent racing and this mind blowing really
itsuly incredible. What they did is that K four super
super difficult, very complex boat, and so many things have
to go right and for them to do what they did,
I think it would have to go down as one
(01:09):
of Lisa's greatest achievements probably and not to mention obviously
her teammates as well.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Tell us about the K one five hundred. This is
the big one. This is the prize that Dame Lisa
Carrington has been cradling for some time. Amy Fisher has
turned up. They both come on very different paths to
get to the same outcome. It's a fantastic story, these
two protagonists, what they've done to get there. Favoritism distinct anyway,
(01:40):
I suppose Dame Lisa must have it. But in this
sport and an Olympic, as you know, it's all about
the time and the moment. Surely.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah. I mean, both of them are super high pedigree athlete,
so I think it's going to be very hard to pick.
It's going to be tough for Lisa coming off the
back of all about racing. But Lisa is Lisa, so
you can't discount that. And with Amy, you know, she's
a world champion, so they both cut from very fine cloth.
It's just probably going to be one of the greatest
sort of five hundred meter races that anyone would have
(02:09):
ever seen coming up.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Let's talk about the mental strength in this one, Ben,
And this is something I'm sure that people in kayaks
must have have in truckloads to do this. When you're
sitting at the start of a race, I mean, you're
one thousand slightly longer, granted, how much of it is
in your mind? How much do you consider what's going
on around you and who your competition is?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You tend to just be focused on what you're doing.
I mean, they're both world champions, of Lisa obviously being
multiple Olympic champions. If they didn't get there for not
think so. You know, they are made from the sort
of stuff that can handle this, and they afforded to
be a way through to that. So from a psychological
point of view, do I think either of them will
have an advantage on the other person. I think in
(02:52):
their own mind, they'll be building a narrative that they
believe and that's going to give them the confidence. And
both of them have very good reason to believe that
they're going to win. And so you have a five
hundreds of tough race. It's really short, that's even tougher
than the thousand because it's so short, but it's not
a sprint. It's not a sprint, but it's not a
thousand either, so if you get behind, there's a snow
margin to work or so you're right on the limit,
(03:14):
and that it's probably I think I've found the five
hundred better races, a bit more nerve racking than the thousand,
because you don't have much to work with you if
you don't have a great start, So that that is
going to ratchet up with pressure on them. But obviously
Lisa can handle that two hundred meter background. She'll get
out well. I think either of them will have a
in their minor feel that they have an advantage for
(03:35):
different reasons.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You've been there, done that, you've competed. When you're looking
at the race, you'd look at it through very different
eyes than your standard casual bystander like myself. Are there
any tells that you look for? What do you when
you see the way these people are paddling? What do
you look to see if they're going well, they're going poorly?
Is there anything any tells in them at all?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
It's a little bit had to say, and then you
can kind of get a sense of, you know, if
they're looking sort of settled and grounded and sort of focused.
Sometimes people look too as that's noise for me, it
doesn't always look good. Sometimes you see people lining up
and they look like just a little bit too relaxed,
and then if they ain't sort of get out on
the start, it's very hard to make it back. And
so it's a very fine line between being really focused
(04:20):
but sort of not hover doing it. I think what
you'd be looking for is them racing to their strengths.
And obviously you'd expect Lisa to get out. So she
doesn't get out, well, that's not Obviously it's not going
to be encouraging for her, is it, Because that's a strong,
strong part of your race. So you know we'd want
to see that early on that she has a good
sort of strong emphatic start. I mean, if if Amy
(04:42):
loses too much, you know you can see that's going
to put her under pressure because you don't want to
be fighting your way down there. You want to sort
of be on top of it and on top of
your work. So it's bloody, had to say Darcy. Both
su Hi pedigree athletes. I think you know cauldn't really
draw too much really unless something goes terribly skew with
But you have both world champion padler. So I don't
(05:03):
think anything it's going to go too badly for either
of them. We're just going to have to wait and
see what that last two hundred meters shows us.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Talked with the and Ferguson of course, another great in
the world of kayaking, and we were talking about cadence
and horsepower. Is it as simple as that? Is it
that what you can pull it right? Made Naddy? How
fast you can dip and how much power you can generate?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean yeah, been able to run the boat.
I mean, Lisa, it's doing a lot of team boat
paddling and so transitioning into the the k one, it's
a bit of a different sort of feel to it,
but she's demonstrated its time and time again. She obviously
did it in Tokyo. But yeah, pretty much just does
come down to watch perklo. You know, that's probably what
makes for the team boat so remarkable because it's a
(05:45):
little bit different than that. It's about how all of
those four padders can can put that work down and
work together. Where in the singles yet just comes down
to power.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Seems to think that the older and athlete gets, the
better they are at dealing with multiple disciplines over the
course of a regatta. I looked at and go, wow,
she must beg time. But Ferguson's not. The longer you're
in the saddle, the longer you've been doing it for
the better it is. You don't need to rest it
and to build up for a particular event because you're
(06:16):
already running at that pace. Is that something you'd agree with,
benfuy Well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I probably would agree, But it probably all depends to
you know, like every Olympic Games, you know, there's a
different structure to how the racing is staggered, and so
it just really probably depends the devil might be in
the detail a little bit in terms of the spacing
and how soon those races are that you're backing up.
But certainly there's also a lot more wisdom and you
probably get better at relaxing. And obviously over a big
(06:42):
week of racing like Special with what Lisa's got on
her on her desk, you know, there's a lot of
getting up for racing and then you need to wind
down from the racing. You need to relax and to
be able to re energize yourself as much as possible.
And I think there's probably a lot of experience and
wisdom that comes with that, So that will definitely help
Lisa been able to manage her workload just through experience
and having that confidence that you can switch it on,
(07:05):
which allows who to switch it off and relax more
deeply and recover. Yeah, definitely that wisdom goes a long way,
I think, more than anything.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
For more from The All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to news talks that'd be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Wildegrave from Newstalk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Ben Filly joins the program. Now, of course we are
talking about the Olympic Games right in the thick of
what's being a sensational game so far for the Canoes.
Ben knows it's in about two thousand and four Athens
K one one thousand picked up a silver, World Championship,
gold and three in the same discipline and also a
bronze in two thousand and six and the K one
(00:33):
one thousand, Ben, you must be loving what our crews
are delivering at the moment and what's coming up with
the two K one runners in the form of Fisher
and Lisa Carrington. This is too much for all of us.
I think you must be blowing your mind out of
this one.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yeah, absolutely incredible to watch. It's after Tokyo only three
years ago. How could they beat that? And I mean
this is some excellent racing and this mind blowing really
itsuly incredible. What they did is that K four super
super difficult, very complex boat, and so many things have
to go right and for them to do what they did,
I think it would have to go down as one
(01:09):
of Lisa's greatest achievements probably and not to mention obviously
her teammates as well.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Tell us about the K one five hundred. This is
the big one. This is the prize that Dame Lisa
Carrington has been cradling for some time. Amy Fisher has
turned up. They both come on very different paths to
get to the same outcome. It's a fantastic story, these
two protagonists, what they've done to get there. Favoritism distinct anyway,
(01:40):
I suppose Dame Lisa must have it. But in this
sport and an Olympic, as you know, it's all about
the time and the moment. Surely.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah. I mean, both of them are super high pedigree athlete,
so I think it's going to be very hard to pick.
It's going to be tough for Lisa coming off the
back of all about racing. But Lisa is Lisa, so
you can't discount that. And with Amy, you know, she's
a world champion, so they both cut from very fine cloth.
It's just probably going to be one of the greatest
sort of five hundred meter races that anyone would have
(02:09):
ever seen coming up.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Let's talk about the mental strength in this one, Ben,
And this is something I'm sure that people in kayaks
must have have in truckloads to do this. When you're
sitting at the start of a race, I mean, you're
one thousand slightly longer, granted, how much of it is
in your mind? How much do you consider what's going
on around you and who your competition is?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You tend to just be focused on what you're doing.
I mean, they're both world champions, of Lisa obviously being
multiple Olympic champions. If they didn't get there for not
think so. You know, they are made from the sort
of stuff that can handle this, and they afforded to
be a way through to that. So from a psychological
point of view, do I think either of them will
have an advantage on the other person. I think in
(02:52):
their own mind, they'll be building a narrative that they
believe and that's going to give them the confidence. And
both of them have very good reason to believe that
they're going to win. And so you have a five
hundreds of tough race. It's really short, that's even tougher
than the thousand because it's so short, but it's not
a sprint. It's not a sprint, but it's not a
thousand either, so if you get behind, there's a snow
margin to work or so you're right on the limit,
(03:14):
and that it's probably I think I've found the five
hundred better races, a bit more nerve racking than the thousand,
because you don't have much to work with you if
you don't have a great start, So that that is
going to ratchet up with pressure on them. But obviously
Lisa can handle that two hundred meter background. She'll get
out well. I think either of them will have a
in their minor feel that they have an advantage for
(03:35):
different reasons.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You've been there, done that, you've competed. When you're looking
at the race, you'd look at it through very different
eyes than your standard casual bystander like myself. Are there
any tells that you look for? What do you when
you see the way these people are paddling? What do
you look to see if they're going well, they're going poorly?
Is there anything any tells in them at all?
Speaker 3 (03:57):
It's a little bit had to say, and then you
can kind of get a sense of, you know, if
they're looking sort of settled and grounded and sort of focused.
Sometimes people look too as that's noise for me, it
doesn't always look good. Sometimes you see people lining up
and they look like just a little bit too relaxed,
and then if they ain't sort of get out on
the start, it's very hard to make it back. And
so it's a very fine line between being really focused
(04:20):
but sort of not hover doing it. I think what
you'd be looking for is them racing to their strengths.
And obviously you'd expect Lisa to get out. So she
doesn't get out, well, that's not Obviously it's not going
to be encouraging for her, is it, Because that's a strong,
strong part of your race. So you know we'd want
to see that early on that she has a good
sort of strong emphatic start. I mean, if if Amy
(04:42):
loses too much, you know you can see that's going
to put her under pressure because you don't want to
be fighting your way down there. You want to sort
of be on top of it and on top of
your work. So it's bloody, had to say Darcy. Both
su Hi pedigree athletes. I think you know cauldn't really
draw too much really unless something goes terribly skew with
But you have both world champion padler. So I don't
(05:03):
think anything it's going to go too badly for either
of them. We're just going to have to wait and
see what that last two hundred meters shows us.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Talked with the and Ferguson of course, another great in
the world of kayaking, and we were talking about cadence
and horsepower. Is it as simple as that? Is it
that what you can pull it right? Made Naddy? How
fast you can dip and how much power you can generate?
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean yeah, been able to run the boat.
I mean, Lisa, it's doing a lot of team boat
paddling and so transitioning into the the k one, it's
a bit of a different sort of feel to it,
but she's demonstrated its time and time again. She obviously
did it in Tokyo. But yeah, pretty much just does
come down to watch perklo. You know, that's probably what
makes for the team boat so remarkable because it's a
(05:45):
little bit different than that. It's about how all of
those four padders can can put that work down and
work together. Where in the singles yet just comes down
to power.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Seems to think that the older and athlete gets, the
better they are at dealing with multiple disciplines over the
course of a regatta. I looked at and go, wow,
she must beg time. But Ferguson's not. The longer you're
in the saddle, the longer you've been doing it for
the better it is. You don't need to rest it
and to build up for a particular event because you're
(06:16):
already running at that pace. Is that something you'd agree with,
benfuy Well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I probably would agree, But it probably all depends to
you know, like every Olympic Games, you know, there's a
different structure to how the racing is staggered, and so
it just really probably depends the devil might be in
the detail a little bit in terms of the spacing
and how soon those races are that you're backing up.
But certainly there's also a lot more wisdom and you
probably get better at relaxing. And obviously over a big
(06:42):
week of racing like Special with what Lisa's got on
her on her desk, you know, there's a lot of
getting up for racing and then you need to wind
down from the racing. You need to relax and to
be able to re energize yourself as much as possible.
And I think there's probably a lot of experience and
wisdom that comes with that, So that will definitely help
Lisa been able to manage her workload just through experience
and having that confidence that you can switch it on,
(07:05):
which allows who to switch it off and relax more
deeply and recover. Yeah, definitely that wisdom goes a long way,
I think, more than anything.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
For more from The All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to news talks that'd be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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