August 16, 2024 • 6 mins
The All Blacks are demanding an edge up front from their forward pack after coming off second-best last week against Argentina.
The 49-match unbeaten run at Eden Park goes on the line tonight against Los Pumas, who are coming off a win at Sky Stadium last week.
Los Pumas have been belted the following match both times after beating the All Blacks in both 2020 and 2022.
Newstalk ZB Rugby Editor Elliott Smith joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to preview the test.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Wildegrave from newstalk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm we joint now on the All Sport Breakfast by
our voice of Rugby, Myth to Elliott Smith ahead of
a tricky encounter for the All Blacks. I seriously don't
think the Argentines are going to do again what they
did last week. But I don't think anyone expect them
to do it that last week either. What's the feeling
out there?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Happy game day, Darcy? No, I certainly don't think many
tipped to Argentina to do that because they were messy.
I thought in that July window they went one and
one with an understrength French team didn't look like a
team that was going to be world beaters necessarily, and
to be fear last week they didn't have to be
world beaters. It's not like they played the house down.
They were still too good for the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And they got it handed to them, didn't They played
to there? Do you want a victory?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Take that? Absolutely? And so it was quite interesting to
see Argentina go, well, we've got plenty to improve on,
and yet there was still the team that came out
on top, so you've got to be we weary of
them tonight. Yes, we should expect an all Blacks response,
but we shouldn't have expected the performance that we got
last week either. So I'm sure there will be a
response tonight. It's in what form that comes and whether
(01:15):
that will be good enough to stop the RJ and
Tinian tight.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Do you think that TJ. Pernaro will stop with his
misdirected box kicks, because like none of them, I think
the only one that actually managed to hit the mark
got sorted out and then they ran off and scored
it tried was not vintage Ferdinardo, was it?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, it wasn't. And if he doesn't sort it out,
then it's long light again for him.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
They really fast. Do you think that's what or robertson
to do that?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah? Quite possibly. Look I'm surprised they're starting him again. Now.
For me, I think if you look at TJ. Peninara's career,
he started to use the wrong word, but he started
seventy five percent of his Test matches off the bench.
He has played the majority of his Test match rugby
coming on in the last twenty twenty five minutes he's
the closer of these rank begins in the twilight of
(01:58):
his career. We know he's leaving at the end of
the year. You're now asking him to be the regular
week in, week out starter. I don't get the strategy
from the All Blacks. I think Cortez Ratima is the
future alongside cam Roy guard you to come back from injury,
Noah Hotham as well. So for me, I would leave
t J Petanara on the bench and continue in being
the closer as he finishes up his career in New Zealand.
(02:20):
But he's got to be a lot better tonight that.
The kicking last week, not only from TJ but from
a number of players in that team that should kick better,
was very, very poor and it needs to improve, especially
you know, you know around it a wedhead and part tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
This will go down like a couple of cold sick
amongst Wellingtonians. But I'm not convinced that Ardie Savia has
what it takes to captain. I think it just tracks
from his own performance. I don't think he makes clear
decisions under the pressure of captaincy. That may come, but
at the moment I don't know if he's capable and
that sounds cruel, but the evidence is there.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Right, yeah, I think I'm still struggling to see it. Look,
he's he's clearly a leader of men, and I think
he's that. But it's the game management which I think
is the issue for Ardie and closing it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Take three, take three.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
It's a test match well, and this is the same
issue with the Hurricanes and Super Rugby is a a
little bit different, but it's the game management and putting
pressure on the opposition. And what the term they've been
using this week is stacking moments. Now, a lot of
times last week you'll think were five or six lead
changes in the second spell and the first half as well,
that the All Blacks would score a try, then the
(03:22):
conceded points. It happened again, the score points that can see,
you know, score points can see at the other end.
So they need to be better at that tonight and
apply pressure. And that doesn't just come in the form
of playing in the right areas of the ground, but
it is on the scoreboard and just getting ard intended
to look up and go, hey, you know, they've just
scored a try and then they've considered a penalty goal
and whatever it might be putting pressure on that way.
(03:43):
The All Blacks have to be better that tonight. And
that starts with the captain.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And Elliot Smith, the captain saying, don't throw it deep.
We're in all sorts of trouble. Why would you do that?
Throw it to the front of the line out, old deer.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That that is an issue. Yeah, there is a few
issues persisting around the basics there and the All Blacks
and the passing from the ruck last week was yeah,
and those two passes that ended up somehow back and
conspired enough back in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Gone on the bit, it's on the side he could
ended up with a couple of the bit. That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, it needs to be better line out throwing and
the latter part of the game was very very scratchy
as well. What I would say is they didn't get
a chance to use this scrum as a whipon either,
because we saw in the England series how much they
used that as a whipon to get in the right
areas of the park. You know, no scrum for the
first sixty minutes last week.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
How did they change that.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
We can't force knock ons, we can tackle a bit
harder I suppose and try and force knock ons, but
it was one of those irregularities that you hopefully never
see again. And seeking to Jason Ryan late yesterday afternoon
at the captain's run, he was like, it was a
bit like you know, rugby League couldn't believe how fresh
the Type five were at the halftime break. They came
in fresh as a daisy.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So so what happened to the group? How did he
do his naked.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Apparently training in the week but it was probably through
a lack of exertion on the weekend. Pressure load went
right down, so they needed to find those moments tonight.
Building pressure I think ultimately is the key for the
all blanks for them to get the win, and that's
the territory that they find themselves and they have to
build pressure. They can't just go out and expect that
there will be a response because on the basis of
(05:16):
what we saw last week, it may not necessarily come.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Not one of those men, be it player or coaches,
wants to be burdened with the label you lost the
first Test at Eden Park in four hundred years. That
is obviously going to drive them.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I've been reasonably miserable for that. I apologize, I'm just
being honest. Lift me up, Elliott. The positives? Where did
this all blacks or where should they shine well?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I thought Samdari had a good test start last week.
He was targeted a bit by Argentina, but didn't seem
to let that get to him too much. Too by
Vy called the lineouts last week, so he had too
relatively inexperienced test starters at Locke. I thought that was
a positive until the line out went a bit shaky, lackdoors.
I think you look at Boden, I'm still seeing influence.
I'd like to see more from Boden Barrett in the
(06:00):
team and I would probably switched them to ten this week.
That didn't happen, but I think there are positives in
that right though. All my eyes are on that Luke
Forward Treer. What are we getting out of them as
an all backs collective units six, seven, and eight. I'm
surprised they can't make more changes. The owners has been flipped.
Now back on those players to deliver tonight and show
what they went got wrong last week and how they've
(06:21):
learned in the interim seven days.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Looking forward to the house being shouted down when Sam
Cain enters the Fray. We'll be listening tonight, Elliott Smith,
Fight Bus, even that game kicks off, Jason Pine on
the sideline, Who's next to you in the.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Box and it's on alongside, looking forward to that and
we're building up from six o'clock on News.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Talk Good Mate, go hard, shout loud.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Sounds good for more from the All Sport Breakfast with
Darcy Watergrave. Listen live to News Talk said Be on
Saturday mornings, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Wildegrave from newstalk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm we joint now on the All Sport Breakfast by
our voice of Rugby, Myth to Elliott Smith ahead of
a tricky encounter for the All Blacks. I seriously don't
think the Argentines are going to do again what they
did last week. But I don't think anyone expect them
to do it that last week either. What's the feeling
out there?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Happy game day, Darcy? No, I certainly don't think many
tipped to Argentina to do that because they were messy.
I thought in that July window they went one and
one with an understrength French team didn't look like a
team that was going to be world beaters necessarily, and
to be fear last week they didn't have to be
world beaters. It's not like they played the house down.
They were still too good for the All Blacks.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
And they got it handed to them, didn't They played
to there? Do you want a victory?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Take that? Absolutely? And so it was quite interesting to
see Argentina go, well, we've got plenty to improve on,
and yet there was still the team that came out
on top, so you've got to be we weary of
them tonight. Yes, we should expect an all Blacks response,
but we shouldn't have expected the performance that we got
last week either. So I'm sure there will be a
response tonight. It's in what form that comes and whether
(01:15):
that will be good enough to stop the RJ and
Tinian tight.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Do you think that TJ. Pernaro will stop with his
misdirected box kicks, because like none of them, I think
the only one that actually managed to hit the mark
got sorted out and then they ran off and scored
it tried was not vintage Ferdinardo, was it?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, it wasn't. And if he doesn't sort it out,
then it's long light again for him.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
They really fast. Do you think that's what or robertson
to do that?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah? Quite possibly. Look I'm surprised they're starting him again. Now.
For me, I think if you look at TJ. Peninara's career,
he started to use the wrong word, but he started
seventy five percent of his Test matches off the bench.
He has played the majority of his Test match rugby
coming on in the last twenty twenty five minutes he's
the closer of these rank begins in the twilight of
(01:58):
his career. We know he's leaving at the end of
the year. You're now asking him to be the regular
week in, week out starter. I don't get the strategy
from the All Blacks. I think Cortez Ratima is the
future alongside cam Roy guard you to come back from injury,
Noah Hotham as well. So for me, I would leave
t J Petanara on the bench and continue in being
the closer as he finishes up his career in New Zealand.
(02:20):
But he's got to be a lot better tonight that.
The kicking last week, not only from TJ but from
a number of players in that team that should kick better,
was very, very poor and it needs to improve, especially
you know, you know around it a wedhead and part tonight.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
This will go down like a couple of cold sick
amongst Wellingtonians. But I'm not convinced that Ardie Savia has
what it takes to captain. I think it just tracks
from his own performance. I don't think he makes clear
decisions under the pressure of captaincy. That may come, but
at the moment I don't know if he's capable and
that sounds cruel, but the evidence is there.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Right, yeah, I think I'm still struggling to see it. Look,
he's he's clearly a leader of men, and I think
he's that. But it's the game management which I think
is the issue for Ardie and closing it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Take three, take three.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
It's a test match well, and this is the same
issue with the Hurricanes and Super Rugby is a a
little bit different, but it's the game management and putting
pressure on the opposition. And what the term they've been
using this week is stacking moments. Now, a lot of
times last week you'll think were five or six lead
changes in the second spell and the first half as well,
that the All Blacks would score a try, then the
(03:22):
conceded points. It happened again, the score points that can see,
you know, score points can see at the other end.
So they need to be better at that tonight and
apply pressure. And that doesn't just come in the form
of playing in the right areas of the ground, but
it is on the scoreboard and just getting ard intended
to look up and go, hey, you know, they've just
scored a try and then they've considered a penalty goal
and whatever it might be putting pressure on that way.
(03:43):
The All Blacks have to be better that tonight. And
that starts with the captain.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
And Elliot Smith, the captain saying, don't throw it deep.
We're in all sorts of trouble. Why would you do that?
Throw it to the front of the line out, old deer.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That that is an issue. Yeah, there is a few
issues persisting around the basics there and the All Blacks
and the passing from the ruck last week was yeah,
and those two passes that ended up somehow back and
conspired enough back in the beginning.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Gone on the bit, it's on the side he could
ended up with a couple of the bit. That's right.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, it needs to be better line out throwing and
the latter part of the game was very very scratchy
as well. What I would say is they didn't get
a chance to use this scrum as a whipon either,
because we saw in the England series how much they
used that as a whipon to get in the right
areas of the park. You know, no scrum for the
first sixty minutes last week.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
How did they change that.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
We can't force knock ons, we can tackle a bit
harder I suppose and try and force knock ons, but
it was one of those irregularities that you hopefully never
see again. And seeking to Jason Ryan late yesterday afternoon
at the captain's run, he was like, it was a
bit like you know, rugby League couldn't believe how fresh
the Type five were at the halftime break. They came
in fresh as a daisy.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
So so what happened to the group? How did he
do his naked.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Apparently training in the week but it was probably through
a lack of exertion on the weekend. Pressure load went
right down, so they needed to find those moments tonight.
Building pressure I think ultimately is the key for the
all blanks for them to get the win, and that's
the territory that they find themselves and they have to
build pressure. They can't just go out and expect that
there will be a response because on the basis of
(05:16):
what we saw last week, it may not necessarily come.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Not one of those men, be it player or coaches,
wants to be burdened with the label you lost the
first Test at Eden Park in four hundred years. That
is obviously going to drive them.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I've been reasonably miserable for that. I apologize, I'm just
being honest. Lift me up, Elliott. The positives? Where did
this all blacks or where should they shine well?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I thought Samdari had a good test start last week.
He was targeted a bit by Argentina, but didn't seem
to let that get to him too much. Too by
Vy called the lineouts last week, so he had too
relatively inexperienced test starters at Locke. I thought that was
a positive until the line out went a bit shaky, lackdoors.
I think you look at Boden, I'm still seeing influence.
I'd like to see more from Boden Barrett in the
(06:00):
team and I would probably switched them to ten this week.
That didn't happen, but I think there are positives in
that right though. All my eyes are on that Luke
Forward Treer. What are we getting out of them as
an all backs collective units six, seven, and eight. I'm
surprised they can't make more changes. The owners has been flipped.
Now back on those players to deliver tonight and show
what they went got wrong last week and how they've
(06:21):
learned in the interim seven days.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Looking forward to the house being shouted down when Sam
Cain enters the Fray. We'll be listening tonight, Elliott Smith,
Fight Bus, even that game kicks off, Jason Pine on
the sideline, Who's next to you in the.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Box and it's on alongside, looking forward to that and
we're building up from six o'clock on News.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Talk Good Mate, go hard, shout loud.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Sounds good for more from the All Sport Breakfast with
Darcy Watergrave. Listen live to News Talk said Be on
Saturday mornings, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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