September 6, 2024 • 6 mins
Springboks captain Siya Kolisi is vowing not to give the All Blacks a head start again tonight in Cape Town.
The hosts rallied from 10 points down to beat the tourists last week at Ellis Park.
Kolisi has issued a warning to the All Blacks that they won’t be given that treatment again.
South African Rugby Journalist Brenden Nel joined Adam Cooper to preview the clash.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldegrave from News Talk SEDB twenty past seven.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Adam Cooper with you on the All Sport Breakfast this
morning through till nine. We're continuing to build up to
this huge game tomorrow morning featuring the All Blacks and
spring Box, the great rugby rivalry, and talk a little
more in a moment about well the prospect of the
tours returning both here in New Zealand for the spring
Books and away in the Republic for the All Blacks.
But firstly let's get a South African perspective to respond
(00:34):
to what Elliott had to say a few moments ago.
Brandon Nell joining us live from Cape Town. Brandon, good
morning to you on the back of the great come
from behind When for the spring Box last weeks, what
kind of excitements and expectation is there from the rugby
public over there for Test number two in Cape Town?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, you know, it's quite weirditating about it today because
we've had Ireland over. Of course, Ireland in the last
couple of years has been quite a big team and
the team the two have dominated world. He lives in
rugby and we had the Island chest and I mean
I was from the Island. Have been something well we
focused on in South Africa, but then last week he
(01:15):
did this park. Yeah. I first thing I said to
my colleague Gaveneri, who are sitting next to me, I said, yeah,
this is just a total step up from their Test
match and just the old rivalry, the the the tradition
and everything there. You just there's something special about these games,
(01:35):
and last peak just reminded us just how special it was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Indeed, all right, Well seven changes to the South African
starting side from Rassi Erasmus this week, a real injection
of experience and a lot of those World Cup winners
from last year are back. Why do you think this
has been made?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, that's an interesting one, I said. There's a lot
of speculation about that. But then yeah, I fear this
way they've been looking at obviously expanding the squad and
then trying to throw givest those World Cup winners, the
double Work Cup winners a bit of longevity. But in
the end of the day, there's a bunch of youngsters
that are coming through the nipping at their heels at
(02:14):
the moment, and they did the job last week against
the All Blacks in whatever way you see it, the
results at the end of the day, and now that
this sort of thing is close out the game, guys,
and and and get the Rugby Championship. It's sort of
dune and dusted at this stage of the Rugby Championship.
And of course there's you know, there's a there's a
bit of a subtext in that in that these youngsters
(02:35):
are sort of looking for possessions and these old World
Cup winners and now got a bit of press on
them as well.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, exactly how much scrutiny from the South African public
is around the team from that first sixty minutes of
last week where the All Blacks were on top for
a lot of the game.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
A Yeah, that's it's an interesting one way you look
at it. I think we we sort of thought on
the day and I'm saying it precisely sitting in the
stadium that the Box were pretty competitive there. They were
the physical and they're dominating, just getting the edge of
the domination, but they were making a lot of mistakes
and the All Blacks, of course we all know, are
except actually exploiting other teams and mistakes and you take
(03:18):
away the turnover try of Kevin Clark, and you take
away the intercept tribe By and Barrett, and the Box
will look at it that way and say, well, those
are things that could have prevented. I think at the
end of the day. Yeah, the Box look at in
a pretty simple manner that in the past, in all
the sort of games between the two sides, the Box
(03:39):
in the past probably wouldn't have come back from ten
points down against the All Blacks. And the fact that
they did with the young side, with six guys who
hadn't played against the All Blacks before, will probably give
them a lot of confidence. So they know what they've
done wrong. The point is to go after Via tomorrow
and finish this up.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Can you give out to New Zealand New Zealand audience
here a bit of an insight into the difference in
terms of just the Caketown crowds and why to rugby
public where we know there's a lot of All Blacks
fans versus what they encountered in Johannesburg a week ago.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, that's a very different crowd. I mean the Swarmer's
crowd and you guys remember Super Ugby the Stormers. They
were probably the best crowd in South African in terms
of numbers consistency in Super rugby and then in the
UFC now first nowadays they are very knowledgeable crowd. They're
very vocal crowd. You know, Russi said this week when
he played he didn't play for the Stormers. When he
(04:34):
played for Free States in his younger days, they used
to surf him on the cards in term how our
smallest carves were. And yeah, the type of crowd that
re lets you know what's going on and they're very
vocal and they then keep quiet and then they siddenly
unique in terms of world rugby. Capetown Stadium NOWS is
(04:54):
really a great modern stadium as one of these stadiums
as really built for purpose and you almost get the
incos of the crowd and it remakes things louder. So
I think the All blacksling Toloy it very different stadium.
It's not as hard and dry field as joe Burg,
but they also have some support in the crowd and
at the end of the day as a great rugby
(05:17):
venue and all the pictures so that table mountain in
the background, I think you're going to have to be
at your best to win this game either side, and
I hopefully from that point of view it's a great
game and it just carries on the amazing chatter three
between these two sides.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, but at the moment it's South Africa with three
in a row and the chance to go far in
a row. How significant So much of an achievement is
that being considered back in South Africa with the chance
to have four wins back to back against New.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Zealand, it'll be massive. Listen. I mean, let's be honest.
I mean, I've been a rugby writer for thirty odd
years now, and I mean my first rugby two was
ninety six when the All Blacks officer came here and
one that the story turn. Since then, they seriously dominated
the contest between the two sides, and to be very honest,
South Africa has been probably lacking in some of the contests.
(06:06):
They weren't as competitive as they said have been. And
at the end of the day, this is the dominance.
I think it's six. If they went tomorrow at six
the last eight. I'm not saying that's a stranglehold, but
it certainly giving a bit of a talking point to
us all year. I don't think the old acts of
that that I think of it. Maybe they suffered a
bit because we don't super rukely anymore, but they still
(06:28):
have an exceptional side. And I think there's something special
about these games. There's something magical about these games. Anybody's
been to one of these understands that, Yeah, I think,
even though it might be on the results, a bit
of a good could run for South Africa. I don't
think you'll find many South Africans who would be ultra
confident of saying that the box we wouldn't work to
(06:49):
more than three or four points.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to news TALKS'DV on Saturday mornings, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldegrave from News Talk SEDB twenty past seven.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Adam Cooper with you on the All Sport Breakfast this
morning through till nine. We're continuing to build up to
this huge game tomorrow morning featuring the All Blacks and
spring Box, the great rugby rivalry, and talk a little
more in a moment about well the prospect of the
tours returning both here in New Zealand for the spring
Books and away in the Republic for the All Blacks.
But firstly let's get a South African perspective to respond
(00:34):
to what Elliott had to say a few moments ago.
Brandon Nell joining us live from Cape Town. Brandon, good
morning to you on the back of the great come
from behind When for the spring Box last weeks, what
kind of excitements and expectation is there from the rugby
public over there for Test number two in Cape Town?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Well, you know, it's quite weirditating about it today because
we've had Ireland over. Of course, Ireland in the last
couple of years has been quite a big team and
the team the two have dominated world. He lives in
rugby and we had the Island chest and I mean
I was from the Island. Have been something well we
focused on in South Africa, but then last week he
(01:15):
did this park. Yeah. I first thing I said to
my colleague Gaveneri, who are sitting next to me, I said, yeah,
this is just a total step up from their Test
match and just the old rivalry, the the the tradition
and everything there. You just there's something special about these games,
(01:35):
and last peak just reminded us just how special it was. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Indeed, all right, Well seven changes to the South African
starting side from Rassi Erasmus this week, a real injection
of experience and a lot of those World Cup winners
from last year are back. Why do you think this
has been made?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Well, that's an interesting one, I said. There's a lot
of speculation about that. But then yeah, I fear this
way they've been looking at obviously expanding the squad and
then trying to throw givest those World Cup winners, the
double Work Cup winners a bit of longevity. But in
the end of the day, there's a bunch of youngsters
that are coming through the nipping at their heels at
(02:14):
the moment, and they did the job last week against
the All Blacks in whatever way you see it, the
results at the end of the day, and now that
this sort of thing is close out the game, guys,
and and and get the Rugby Championship. It's sort of
dune and dusted at this stage of the Rugby Championship.
And of course there's you know, there's a there's a
bit of a subtext in that in that these youngsters
(02:35):
are sort of looking for possessions and these old World
Cup winners and now got a bit of press on
them as well.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, exactly how much scrutiny from the South African public
is around the team from that first sixty minutes of
last week where the All Blacks were on top for
a lot of the game.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
A Yeah, that's it's an interesting one way you look
at it. I think we we sort of thought on
the day and I'm saying it precisely sitting in the
stadium that the Box were pretty competitive there. They were
the physical and they're dominating, just getting the edge of
the domination, but they were making a lot of mistakes
and the All Blacks, of course we all know, are
except actually exploiting other teams and mistakes and you take
(03:18):
away the turnover try of Kevin Clark, and you take
away the intercept tribe By and Barrett, and the Box
will look at it that way and say, well, those
are things that could have prevented. I think at the
end of the day. Yeah, the Box look at in
a pretty simple manner that in the past, in all
the sort of games between the two sides, the Box
(03:39):
in the past probably wouldn't have come back from ten
points down against the All Blacks. And the fact that
they did with the young side, with six guys who
hadn't played against the All Blacks before, will probably give
them a lot of confidence. So they know what they've
done wrong. The point is to go after Via tomorrow
and finish this up.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Can you give out to New Zealand New Zealand audience
here a bit of an insight into the difference in
terms of just the Caketown crowds and why to rugby
public where we know there's a lot of All Blacks
fans versus what they encountered in Johannesburg a week ago.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, that's a very different crowd. I mean the Swarmer's
crowd and you guys remember Super Ugby the Stormers. They
were probably the best crowd in South African in terms
of numbers consistency in Super rugby and then in the
UFC now first nowadays they are very knowledgeable crowd. They're
very vocal crowd. You know, Russi said this week when
he played he didn't play for the Stormers. When he
(04:34):
played for Free States in his younger days, they used
to surf him on the cards in term how our
smallest carves were. And yeah, the type of crowd that
re lets you know what's going on and they're very
vocal and they then keep quiet and then they siddenly
unique in terms of world rugby. Capetown Stadium NOWS is
(04:54):
really a great modern stadium as one of these stadiums
as really built for purpose and you almost get the
incos of the crowd and it remakes things louder. So
I think the All blacksling Toloy it very different stadium.
It's not as hard and dry field as joe Burg,
but they also have some support in the crowd and
at the end of the day as a great rugby
(05:17):
venue and all the pictures so that table mountain in
the background, I think you're going to have to be
at your best to win this game either side, and
I hopefully from that point of view it's a great
game and it just carries on the amazing chatter three
between these two sides.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, but at the moment it's South Africa with three
in a row and the chance to go far in
a row. How significant So much of an achievement is
that being considered back in South Africa with the chance
to have four wins back to back against New.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Zealand, it'll be massive. Listen. I mean, let's be honest.
I mean, I've been a rugby writer for thirty odd
years now, and I mean my first rugby two was
ninety six when the All Blacks officer came here and
one that the story turn. Since then, they seriously dominated
the contest between the two sides, and to be very honest,
South Africa has been probably lacking in some of the contests.
(06:06):
They weren't as competitive as they said have been. And
at the end of the day, this is the dominance.
I think it's six. If they went tomorrow at six
the last eight. I'm not saying that's a stranglehold, but
it certainly giving a bit of a talking point to
us all year. I don't think the old acts of
that that I think of it. Maybe they suffered a
bit because we don't super rukely anymore, but they still
(06:28):
have an exceptional side. And I think there's something special
about these games. There's something magical about these games. Anybody's
been to one of these understands that, Yeah, I think,
even though it might be on the results, a bit
of a good could run for South Africa. I don't
think you'll find many South Africans who would be ultra
confident of saying that the box we wouldn't work to
(06:49):
more than three or four points.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to news TALKS'DV on Saturday mornings, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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