September 6, 2024 • 7 mins
The All Blacks are determined to finish what they start tomorrow morning in Cape Town.
After leading 27-17, New Zealand suffered a final quarter collapse in the Rugby Championship test against the Springboks to lose 31-27.
Captain Scott Barrett says that’s been a focal point this week.
Newstalk ZB Rugby Editor Elliott Smith joined Adam Cooper out of South Africa to preview the game.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldegrave from Newstalgs.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Edb Rugby editor our match commentator Elliot Smith. I'll have
the call for you here on Newstalgs ZEDB from three
am tomorrow to look ahead to this game and find
out how the week has played out. Elliott, very good
morning to you. I guess the real question here is
South Africa rolling out the experience New Zealand bringing in
some young guns to the starting fifteen. The overarching questions
(00:32):
which formula is going to work tomorrow morning?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, I guess South Africa coops have the ability. They're
won the game last week. They want to win the
Freedom Cup of course, which is on the line between
these two sides, and they haven't seen it in a
very very long time. But they have the ability to
know that things worked to them last week and they
can sort of experiment a little bit more So your
experimentation comes from a place of knowing their game plan.
(00:59):
I think All Blacks comes from well, we're good for
sixty minutes, but we need a little bit more experience
in that final twenty. So that experimentation from the All
Blacks feels a little bit more like they're chasing the
game in the early hours of tomorrow morning, New zeal
in time, so that thin could probably go with a
little bit more confidence that these are the players that
have done the job for them, and we sort of
switched around a little bit from the starting side while
(01:21):
the All Blacks not necessarily rolling the dice, but trying
to find a little bit more about what the strategy
is that works them in the starting side and off
the bench. So South Africa, I don't think any would
have packed their Honro Pollard would have come back in
that experienced here who's been around for more than seventy
five tests to this point in time, would come back
into the starting side because it felt like Sasha find
the Ingomazulu was only met ten for the next generation,
(01:44):
so they've just gone back to what they know a
little bit. South Africa feels a little bit conservative, but
that may well get the job done in the early
hours of tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
And not probably conservative from a New Zealand perspective in
terms of the starting side. With Wallace Atti caught his
Ratama there, how much of a risk is that for
the opening part of the game.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Do you feel well? I think it is a but
I think it's a risk that probably needs to be taken.
I'm surprised it's being taken, but I think I like
the selections and obviously the approach is going to be
tomorrow morning. But you look at it and go, well,
if rot at the same team, what do you learn
from it? You might lose, you might win, but what
did you actually learn from it? You roll out this
team tomorrow morning, you learn a lot about Wallace the tet,
(02:23):
You'll learn a lot about Cortiers Ratam and appreciate Cooker environment.
And then you've got the insurance policy of Luke Jacobson
who's been around for the five six years in this
All Blacks environment, Ti de Penina, who's closed out matches
for the majority of this history. Of Bote and barracies
done that role with a plom for the All Blacks before.
So I think, you know, if it's the case, I
think really to the All Blacks, if they lose, they
(02:45):
go down swinging. Obviously that's not their mentality. But if
they lose, they've found out a little bit more about
some of these players going forward, and very much so
on the path towards twenty twenty seven, you know, players
like Walla, the Tt and Coarse's Ratham. It feels like
big on a form a really big part of this
All Blacks Max. So if it goes right tomorrow morning,
it could well be a changing of the guards for
(03:05):
the All Blacks. Not well, we're going to reset things
to the heat of the the Buddhers in Sydney in
a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, And so with the All Blast being over there,
responding to the defeat from last week in obviously there's
less New Zealand media over there. Has there been sort
of I guess less scrutiny, less pressure around them that
they're away from home and sort of you know, responding
to a defeat. Through the course of this.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Week a little bit. There's only sort of four New
Zealand based journalists sober here, including myself, but there's plenty
of South African journalists that have turned up to pitching
every of their media sessions that they've held. The Scott
Robertson one was very very well attended on Tuesday morning
here at Local Times. So there's been plenty of questions
and with that scrutiny from the local media comes some
(03:48):
sometimes curly questions, but also some questions that they expect
and that they're willing to answer. I think that most
of the questions this week coups have been around that
last twenty minutes and how the All Blacks rectify that
they've done that with a couple of their selections. So
with the Pote and barnteen and going to the bench,
that's been the real scrutiny and there has come up
(04:10):
time and again this week at the Orblacks media conference.
Is the other one being the discipline. Of course, they
considered fourteen penalties in that game last week and now
that's not going to lee you a Test match. They
weren't necessarily whistled off the park, but they didn't get
the charity around the discipline with South Africa that they
would have liked, so that needs to be tied it
up as well. So a lot of things to be
All Blacks to work on, which has been reminded with
(04:31):
some of their interactions to the media this week.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, and obviously want t He did front the media,
a largely untested position for him, especially at test level.
What kind of gauge did you get from being sort
of face to face with him as he sort of
I guess introduced himself to the rugby world. Didn't he
was part of his media commitments during.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
The week he did. In fact, he was asked by
this so African media to sort of introduce himself and
that's exactly what he did by I'm Wallace, I played
for the Chiefs. I'm usually number eight. But he was
confident up there and he seems like a young man
on twenty one years of age, and it's very confident
of his own skin. From what I hear, has adapted
really really well to the all blacks environment. He's treaded
(05:10):
him well. His strength and conditioning looks still taking shape
as well. Slightly different body shape to probably what we
saw him at the end of the Chief season. So
make remember say this is playing a player though out
of position or the position to become accustomed to. Over
the course of the season, we've only seen Wallace to
t t at number eight. And remember he was not
really well known until the latter part of the Chief season.
He spent the early part of the season playing some
(05:32):
kids development games, so hasn't played blindside and since last
year against Moore Harbor. But you look at the combination
that lose fortrou and I think it's something that the
All Blacks need, is that big, strong ball carrying it
to complement Artie some of the artist That's a lot
of that worth, the carrying work, the ability to try
and position themselves outside of the twenty two. Then when
they get in the opposition twenty two carrying hard and straight.
(05:53):
I think that's the kind of body type that the
All Blacks need. It is a change in position obviously
for Wallace to TV try and get a custom to
he has played there before, but he's going to have
to adjustice game around that. Especially we'll think can play
had it previously in good form before he got injured too.
So look, it's a pretty occasion for the young man.
I'm looking forward to seeing how he embraces it and
to go at the point we were talking about before,
(06:14):
it's risk and rewards for the All Blacks, and they're
going to find a lot about Will the satiftic and
where he might sit in their future plans in nearly
hours of tomorrow morning our New Hill on time.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, and given Will Jordan's history with Razor at the
Crusaders playing in that fullback position, I guess no surprise
is that he is now here wearing that number fifteen
Jersey as it happened slightly earlier than you might have
expected in terms of making that sort of transition in
that bold change.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, I think so. Look I accepted maybe they may
even see out the year with voten bar at fifteen
and sort of recess things come twenty twenty five around
to the game plan that that Scott Robertson wants to play,
given Will Jordan was coming back from injury giving Vote
and Barrack had previously been in good form, and of
course you can remember Solve seven Pit of Fitter might
have still been starting if it was not for that
(07:01):
carpentry that ruled him out of this tour. So there's
all sorts of permutations and that they could have gone.
But Will drawd in the player that it was covered
at fifteen Tuesday, so for some time it's the third position.
So I guess all eyes are on Herman how he
adapts to the test rugby and violement. We saw him
last year agains Australia in Dunedin, but that was a
(07:22):
test very much on the year of the World Cup.
He clearly wasn't part of the Impols's plan to play
there permanently. He plays well tomorrow morning, then that could
again shake things up from an all black perspective. And
you looked at it as well, that a back three,
Mark Kala, Sevy Reese and Will Jordan. The weakness, I
would say is around the kicking game. But it's clear
what they wanted to do, and it's run it at
the spring box, run, run, run and run them ragged
(07:45):
around the hl Stadium here in k Town.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Watergrave,
listen live to News Talk Said Be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldegrave from Newstalgs.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Edb Rugby editor our match commentator Elliot Smith. I'll have
the call for you here on Newstalgs ZEDB from three
am tomorrow to look ahead to this game and find
out how the week has played out. Elliott, very good
morning to you. I guess the real question here is
South Africa rolling out the experience New Zealand bringing in
some young guns to the starting fifteen. The overarching questions
(00:32):
which formula is going to work tomorrow morning?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, I guess South Africa coops have the ability. They're
won the game last week. They want to win the
Freedom Cup of course, which is on the line between
these two sides, and they haven't seen it in a
very very long time. But they have the ability to
know that things worked to them last week and they
can sort of experiment a little bit more So your
experimentation comes from a place of knowing their game plan.
(00:59):
I think All Blacks comes from well, we're good for
sixty minutes, but we need a little bit more experience
in that final twenty. So that experimentation from the All
Blacks feels a little bit more like they're chasing the
game in the early hours of tomorrow morning, New zeal
in time, so that thin could probably go with a
little bit more confidence that these are the players that
have done the job for them, and we sort of
switched around a little bit from the starting side while
(01:21):
the All Blacks not necessarily rolling the dice, but trying
to find a little bit more about what the strategy
is that works them in the starting side and off
the bench. So South Africa, I don't think any would
have packed their Honro Pollard would have come back in
that experienced here who's been around for more than seventy
five tests to this point in time, would come back
into the starting side because it felt like Sasha find
the Ingomazulu was only met ten for the next generation,
(01:44):
so they've just gone back to what they know a
little bit. South Africa feels a little bit conservative, but
that may well get the job done in the early
hours of tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
And not probably conservative from a New Zealand perspective in
terms of the starting side. With Wallace Atti caught his
Ratama there, how much of a risk is that for
the opening part of the game.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Do you feel well? I think it is a but
I think it's a risk that probably needs to be taken.
I'm surprised it's being taken, but I think I like
the selections and obviously the approach is going to be
tomorrow morning. But you look at it and go, well,
if rot at the same team, what do you learn
from it? You might lose, you might win, but what
did you actually learn from it? You roll out this
team tomorrow morning, you learn a lot about Wallace the tet,
(02:23):
You'll learn a lot about Cortiers Ratam and appreciate Cooker environment.
And then you've got the insurance policy of Luke Jacobson
who's been around for the five six years in this
All Blacks environment, Ti de Penina, who's closed out matches
for the majority of this history. Of Bote and barracies
done that role with a plom for the All Blacks before.
So I think, you know, if it's the case, I
think really to the All Blacks, if they lose, they
(02:45):
go down swinging. Obviously that's not their mentality. But if
they lose, they've found out a little bit more about
some of these players going forward, and very much so
on the path towards twenty twenty seven, you know, players
like Walla, the Tt and Coarse's Ratham. It feels like
big on a form a really big part of this
All Blacks Max. So if it goes right tomorrow morning,
it could well be a changing of the guards for
(03:05):
the All Blacks. Not well, we're going to reset things
to the heat of the the Buddhers in Sydney in
a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, And so with the All Blast being over there,
responding to the defeat from last week in obviously there's
less New Zealand media over there. Has there been sort
of I guess less scrutiny, less pressure around them that
they're away from home and sort of you know, responding
to a defeat. Through the course of this.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Week a little bit. There's only sort of four New
Zealand based journalists sober here, including myself, but there's plenty
of South African journalists that have turned up to pitching
every of their media sessions that they've held. The Scott
Robertson one was very very well attended on Tuesday morning
here at Local Times. So there's been plenty of questions
and with that scrutiny from the local media comes some
(03:48):
sometimes curly questions, but also some questions that they expect
and that they're willing to answer. I think that most
of the questions this week coups have been around that
last twenty minutes and how the All Blacks rectify that
they've done that with a couple of their selections. So
with the Pote and barnteen and going to the bench,
that's been the real scrutiny and there has come up
(04:10):
time and again this week at the Orblacks media conference.
Is the other one being the discipline. Of course, they
considered fourteen penalties in that game last week and now
that's not going to lee you a Test match. They
weren't necessarily whistled off the park, but they didn't get
the charity around the discipline with South Africa that they
would have liked, so that needs to be tied it
up as well. So a lot of things to be
All Blacks to work on, which has been reminded with
(04:31):
some of their interactions to the media this week.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, and obviously want t He did front the media,
a largely untested position for him, especially at test level.
What kind of gauge did you get from being sort
of face to face with him as he sort of
I guess introduced himself to the rugby world. Didn't he
was part of his media commitments during.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
The week he did. In fact, he was asked by
this so African media to sort of introduce himself and
that's exactly what he did by I'm Wallace, I played
for the Chiefs. I'm usually number eight. But he was
confident up there and he seems like a young man
on twenty one years of age, and it's very confident
of his own skin. From what I hear, has adapted
really really well to the all blacks environment. He's treaded
(05:10):
him well. His strength and conditioning looks still taking shape
as well. Slightly different body shape to probably what we
saw him at the end of the Chief season. So
make remember say this is playing a player though out
of position or the position to become accustomed to. Over
the course of the season, we've only seen Wallace to
t t at number eight. And remember he was not
really well known until the latter part of the Chief season.
He spent the early part of the season playing some
(05:32):
kids development games, so hasn't played blindside and since last
year against Moore Harbor. But you look at the combination
that lose fortrou and I think it's something that the
All Blacks need, is that big, strong ball carrying it
to complement Artie some of the artist That's a lot
of that worth, the carrying work, the ability to try
and position themselves outside of the twenty two. Then when
they get in the opposition twenty two carrying hard and straight.
(05:53):
I think that's the kind of body type that the
All Blacks need. It is a change in position obviously
for Wallace to TV try and get a custom to
he has played there before, but he's going to have
to adjustice game around that. Especially we'll think can play
had it previously in good form before he got injured too.
So look, it's a pretty occasion for the young man.
I'm looking forward to seeing how he embraces it and
to go at the point we were talking about before,
(06:14):
it's risk and rewards for the All Blacks, and they're
going to find a lot about Will the satiftic and
where he might sit in their future plans in nearly
hours of tomorrow morning our New Hill on time.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, and given Will Jordan's history with Razor at the
Crusaders playing in that fullback position, I guess no surprise
is that he is now here wearing that number fifteen
Jersey as it happened slightly earlier than you might have
expected in terms of making that sort of transition in
that bold change.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, I think so. Look I accepted maybe they may
even see out the year with voten bar at fifteen
and sort of recess things come twenty twenty five around
to the game plan that that Scott Robertson wants to play,
given Will Jordan was coming back from injury giving Vote
and Barrack had previously been in good form, and of
course you can remember Solve seven Pit of Fitter might
have still been starting if it was not for that
(07:01):
carpentry that ruled him out of this tour. So there's
all sorts of permutations and that they could have gone.
But Will drawd in the player that it was covered
at fifteen Tuesday, so for some time it's the third position.
So I guess all eyes are on Herman how he
adapts to the test rugby and violement. We saw him
last year agains Australia in Dunedin, but that was a
(07:22):
test very much on the year of the World Cup.
He clearly wasn't part of the Impols's plan to play
there permanently. He plays well tomorrow morning, then that could
again shake things up from an all black perspective. And
you looked at it as well, that a back three,
Mark Kala, Sevy Reese and Will Jordan. The weakness, I
would say is around the kicking game. But it's clear
what they wanted to do, and it's run it at
the spring box, run, run, run and run them ragged
(07:45):
around the hl Stadium here in k Town.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Watergrave,
listen live to News Talk Said Be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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