September 20, 2024 • 6 mins
Australia rugby coach Joe Schmidt knows how much the Bledisloe Cup means to the All Blacks, now he’s finding out about what it could mean to the Wallabies ahead of tomorrow’s opener in Sydney.
New Zealand claimed the silverware in 2003 and have held the prize since.
Newstalk ZB Rugby Editor and Commentator Elliott Smith joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to preview the test.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Wildegrave from Newstalk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Early old morning for you, Elliot Smith, welcome to the program.
Sorry to bust up your beauty sleep, but work calls.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
That's right, Darcy. I'm used to that, and look I
don't need too much beauty sleep anyway, We'll roll into it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Let's do that. So the energy around Sydney at the
moment I often ask this, does anyone cares? Anyone into this?
Can you tell.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sixty thousand people care? They'll line up and go through
the turnstiles later on today a course stadium and come
to watch this game. So that's a pretty good crowd
to given everything else that's gone on in the city
this weekend, AFL game last night, in our rail game
last night, in our rail game coming up tonight as well.
To get sixty thousand plus through the gates I think
(00:54):
is pretty good achievement. It's certain though that Ragby Union
doesn't hold the same place in Australia. Then maybe it
did twenty years ago, certainly, but even maybe ten years ago,
and the Wallabies with their performances contributed to that. So
people still care. People still want to come out and
watch the Wallabies play the All Blacks, but in terms
of attention, it's been relatively quiet from a media perspective, saying,
(01:16):
you know, how much interested here is from some of
the other journalists and news organizations here on the ground
in Australia.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Something I love about our Australian cousins. If you lose,
they just walk away. They don't stand there punching down
on you. They're going and find a winner to celebrate with,
you know, So if they were winning, they'd be interest,
but they're not, so everyone goes there fine, going sort
of stuff out more Comeback's just been twenty years.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's right, and that's the way it's gone. And you know,
they were, you know, the biggest, one of the biggest
teams in the country when they were going around winning
World Cups in the late nineties and hosting the World
Cup in the two thousands and competitive to a point.
But they've drifted away. The fans have drifted away, the
attention has drifted away. They've got a World Cup coming
up in twenty twenty seven here. Of course, we'd like
(01:58):
to think that the Wallabies will be somewhat competitive, but
there are a rebuild mode, so they get a little
bit of attension here and there, but you're right, they
just walk way they've got or football or whatever else
takes their fancy in Australia, and yeah, once they start
winning again, they'll way back on the bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Actually think it's quite healthy that they do that, as
opposed to, you know, attacking someone because they're losing and
then saying, don't get too big for your boots when
they start winning. It's a polar opposite what happens over there.
Let's talk about Joe Shmant and his master plan. What
can he pull out of the bag. You've got to
dismiss two weeks ago, plainly the last eight minutes. You
know it would never happen again. But where's he going
(02:35):
to lift you think, Elliott.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh, look, I think he's experimenting. It's a case of
trial and error with this Wallaby's team. He's debuts sixteen
players this year. He's changed around his captains for this
game in previous games this year. So he's looking to
see what fits and maybe what works with the Joe
Schmidt playbook and where they can sort of meet in
the middle with the players that he has in Australia.
(02:58):
But he's going to run into the same problem I
feel that previous coaches have done so Dave Rennie, Eddie
Jones and his second Stint of course, and others as
well prior to that, that they just simply don't have
the players that are going to be competitive on a
regular basis. So for joke Shm, maybe he's trying to
find perhaps a workaround of that and going, well, if
(03:21):
I teach the players about this and this is my
game plan that way in a different way than maybe
some of the other top teams in the world. So
he's trying things we've seen, as I say, sixteen death
in the mix for the Wallabies this year, trying to
find what works for them plannly, you know, looking at
their last out. It hasn't as yet. They've changed the
halves combination again to see what sticks. But look, the
(03:42):
Wallabies are clearly in that rebuilding mode after Eddie Jones
blew up the joint last year.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Have you got faith that Schmidt will stick around? Does
he want to stay? There's a huge challenge for him.
Is there something what excite a coach like that?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah? I think it is. Look, it's certainly different to
the ones he's had before. I mean, he built Ireland
into a real force in world rugby, then came in
with the All Blacks of course and additors flourishes and
finishing touches there. But the Australian one is a project
like no other. Really, it's it's it's probably going to
be a long term project and whether he sticks around
(04:15):
for that entirety remains to be seen. Eighteen month contracts.
You know, he's got some good will on his side because,
as it was put to me yesterday by one of
the Australian generals, they basically ran out of the fuel
last year last year with Eddie Jones and basically used
it all on Eddie and the meltdown that happened there.
So they've got nothing left in the tank. Basically they've
(04:35):
worn themselves out, so there's no shots to fire at judgment.
He's got plenty of rope as it stands, and he's
there until at least the Lions series next year. But look,
I think if the Wallabies are going to rebuild, it's
not an eighteen month project and it's a five to
ten year project for the Wallabies, and whether the Judgemant
sticks around for any more than eighteen months, I guess
(04:55):
remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Who do you like the most in this game, not
team wise but player wise, someone that you look out
for and go. I believe that this man will have
a huge sway on this fix.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, oh look, I think the loose forward power of
each team lose four trio of each team. Darcy for
me is as we look to and it's not an
individual I know, but Australia has managed to get back
Fraser mcwright and Harry Wilson.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
There.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Harry Wilson I think is probably one of Australia's best
players at the moment. He's always performed well against New
Zealand Super rugby sides at the back of the scrum
for the Queensland Reeds. He's the captain this afternoon for
the match phrase MK right, A very good player comes
back in after missing a couple of games through injury
and Rob Valentini's been Australia's best for the last eighteen
months or so, so coming up against Wallace to Titi,
(05:42):
Sam Kine and Ardie Savia, that's where I look to
and go. That loose fur battle could very much decide
today's games, and I wouldn't go about underestimating what that
Australia Loose four trio is capable of a lot of
grafters phrase m right, very very good work ethic around
the park, Rob Latini great with Bourne hand and Harry
Wilson impress him on both sides of the ball. So
(06:03):
that lose forod trio is a matchup I'm really looking
forward to.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to Newstalk set B on Saturday mornings, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Wildegrave from Newstalk SEDB.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Early old morning for you, Elliot Smith, welcome to the program.
Sorry to bust up your beauty sleep, but work calls.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
That's right, Darcy. I'm used to that, and look I
don't need too much beauty sleep anyway, We'll roll into it.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Let's do that. So the energy around Sydney at the
moment I often ask this, does anyone cares? Anyone into this?
Can you tell.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Sixty thousand people care? They'll line up and go through
the turnstiles later on today a course stadium and come
to watch this game. So that's a pretty good crowd
to given everything else that's gone on in the city
this weekend, AFL game last night, in our rail game
last night, in our rail game coming up tonight as well.
To get sixty thousand plus through the gates I think
(00:54):
is pretty good achievement. It's certain though that Ragby Union
doesn't hold the same place in Australia. Then maybe it
did twenty years ago, certainly, but even maybe ten years ago,
and the Wallabies with their performances contributed to that. So
people still care. People still want to come out and
watch the Wallabies play the All Blacks, but in terms
of attention, it's been relatively quiet from a media perspective, saying,
(01:16):
you know, how much interested here is from some of
the other journalists and news organizations here on the ground
in Australia.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Something I love about our Australian cousins. If you lose,
they just walk away. They don't stand there punching down
on you. They're going and find a winner to celebrate with,
you know, So if they were winning, they'd be interest,
but they're not, so everyone goes there fine, going sort
of stuff out more Comeback's just been twenty years.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
That's right, and that's the way it's gone. And you know,
they were, you know, the biggest, one of the biggest
teams in the country when they were going around winning
World Cups in the late nineties and hosting the World
Cup in the two thousands and competitive to a point.
But they've drifted away. The fans have drifted away, the
attention has drifted away. They've got a World Cup coming
up in twenty twenty seven here. Of course, we'd like
(01:58):
to think that the Wallabies will be somewhat competitive, but
there are a rebuild mode, so they get a little
bit of attension here and there, but you're right, they
just walk way they've got or football or whatever else
takes their fancy in Australia, and yeah, once they start
winning again, they'll way back on the bandwagon.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Actually think it's quite healthy that they do that, as
opposed to, you know, attacking someone because they're losing and
then saying, don't get too big for your boots when
they start winning. It's a polar opposite what happens over there.
Let's talk about Joe Shmant and his master plan. What
can he pull out of the bag. You've got to
dismiss two weeks ago, plainly the last eight minutes. You
know it would never happen again. But where's he going
(02:35):
to lift you think, Elliott.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Oh, look, I think he's experimenting. It's a case of
trial and error with this Wallaby's team. He's debuts sixteen
players this year. He's changed around his captains for this
game in previous games this year. So he's looking to
see what fits and maybe what works with the Joe
Schmidt playbook and where they can sort of meet in
the middle with the players that he has in Australia.
(02:58):
But he's going to run into the same problem I
feel that previous coaches have done so Dave Rennie, Eddie
Jones and his second Stint of course, and others as
well prior to that, that they just simply don't have
the players that are going to be competitive on a
regular basis. So for joke Shm, maybe he's trying to
find perhaps a workaround of that and going, well, if
(03:21):
I teach the players about this and this is my
game plan that way in a different way than maybe
some of the other top teams in the world. So
he's trying things we've seen, as I say, sixteen death
in the mix for the Wallabies this year, trying to
find what works for them plannly, you know, looking at
their last out. It hasn't as yet. They've changed the
halves combination again to see what sticks. But look, the
(03:42):
Wallabies are clearly in that rebuilding mode after Eddie Jones
blew up the joint last year.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Have you got faith that Schmidt will stick around? Does
he want to stay? There's a huge challenge for him.
Is there something what excite a coach like that?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah? I think it is. Look, it's certainly different to
the ones he's had before. I mean, he built Ireland
into a real force in world rugby, then came in
with the All Blacks of course and additors flourishes and
finishing touches there. But the Australian one is a project
like no other. Really, it's it's it's probably going to
be a long term project and whether he sticks around
(04:15):
for that entirety remains to be seen. Eighteen month contracts.
You know, he's got some good will on his side because,
as it was put to me yesterday by one of
the Australian generals, they basically ran out of the fuel
last year last year with Eddie Jones and basically used
it all on Eddie and the meltdown that happened there.
So they've got nothing left in the tank. Basically they've
(04:35):
worn themselves out, so there's no shots to fire at judgment.
He's got plenty of rope as it stands, and he's
there until at least the Lions series next year. But look,
I think if the Wallabies are going to rebuild, it's
not an eighteen month project and it's a five to
ten year project for the Wallabies, and whether the Judgemant
sticks around for any more than eighteen months, I guess
(04:55):
remains to be seen.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Who do you like the most in this game, not
team wise but player wise, someone that you look out
for and go. I believe that this man will have
a huge sway on this fix.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, oh look, I think the loose forward power of
each team lose four trio of each team. Darcy for
me is as we look to and it's not an
individual I know, but Australia has managed to get back
Fraser mcwright and Harry Wilson.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
There.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Harry Wilson I think is probably one of Australia's best
players at the moment. He's always performed well against New
Zealand Super rugby sides at the back of the scrum
for the Queensland Reeds. He's the captain this afternoon for
the match phrase MK right, A very good player comes
back in after missing a couple of games through injury
and Rob Valentini's been Australia's best for the last eighteen
months or so, so coming up against Wallace to Titi,
(05:42):
Sam Kine and Ardie Savia, that's where I look to
and go. That loose fur battle could very much decide
today's games, and I wouldn't go about underestimating what that
Australia Loose four trio is capable of a lot of
grafters phrase m right, very very good work ethic around
the park, Rob Latini great with Bourne hand and Harry
Wilson impress him on both sides of the ball. So
(06:03):
that lose forod trio is a matchup I'm really looking
forward to.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
For more from the All Sport Breakfast with Darcy Waltergrave,
listen live to Newstalk set B on Saturday mornings, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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