September 20, 2024 • 15 mins
The latest edition of 'The All-Star Panel' features Rugby Writer Phil Gifford and NZ Herald Sports Journalist Alex Powell.
On this weekend's agenda:
The All Blacks v Wallabies, how the Rugby Championship has lost its meaning, and our new fast bowling star.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldegrave from News Talk SEDB All Sports Breakfast All Star Panel.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
They go fine, laugh at me, get out Dean McLaughlin.
There we joined now on the All Star Panel by
mister Philip Gifford.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Philip, Hello, Yes, and good morning to you. Darcy. You've
got to lay off those energy drinks early in the morning. Brother.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I've had one coffee today. One, That's all. I've done
pretty well. This is just this is the way I roll.
And I very much enjoyed your Facebook poster around Cephi
Lareen that you put up.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I think it was to you. Yes, isn't she lovely? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Days back to where was it wayhee beach when you're
a young man going.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
To the cinema?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Why when I was twelve born a dolphin and she
got out of water looking exactly like that photograph I
passed at Darce go figure, Hey.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What were you doing back then, Alex Powell?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
What year was that?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Nine?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No, I was ten years before mine as well. We're
likely to have the vintage of phil on the program.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We are, aren't we right? Well? I hope so it does.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Right, let's start things off well. First we'll touch on
what we all want to touch on, which of course
is the Blairs. Like Cup, I still don't reckon there's
enough jeopardy in this. I think it'd be nice if,
actually if there was something a whole lot more on it,
because all seems a bit tame as far as Alex
storylines are concerned.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I mean, yeah, that's that's basically it, isn't it. We
know exactly what's going to happen over these next couple
of weeks. Australia aren't going to beat the All Blacks twice.
They will be incredibly fortunate if they beat them once.
But that just, you know, it's what Scott Robson's team
needs right now. They need to win, and they need
to win well, and they've probably got the opponents to
do it against.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Phil Interestingly, I talked him to Tony Johnson last night
and he said, look, you know, Will Jordan. Everyone wants
them at full back, but let's face it, he's basically
a winger for the All Blacks. He's scored heartloads and
try so let's just leave him there and be happy
because he's very, very effective out there.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Well he's a magnificent footballer, but I still think fallback
is his best position. But it's not much use whining
and beating about that because obviously he's not playing there
and may not be playing there for a while. Just
very quickly and carrying on to what Alex was saying,
what's essential for the All Blacks, and I don't use
the word of central lightly. I think it's terribly important
(02:32):
right at this moment that the All Blacks have two
very good wins, because I was actually one person who
felt that they played pretty damn well in South Africa
because it's very hard over there when you're at Alice
Park and even at Cape Town, it's very hard to
beat South Africa on their home so it's hard to
beat them anywhere with the bomb squad and stuff. I
think right at the moment that the All Blacks have
(02:53):
got the forward pack basically right. I think they are
the best forwards in world rugby. They're the best at
the scrum and they can and the best scrum in
world rugby. They have a line out that's as good
as anybody else, and not saying it's the best, but
it can compete with anybody else in the world rugby
in general play maybe not at the top of the game,
but basically a hell of a good forward pack. The
(03:14):
back line is what we need to see and a
sunny day, a hard track. Here's their chance to show
that because it still feels a little unsettled to me.
The back line, here's the chance to show that. Fingers crossed,
they have got it right.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Alex Powell and one fell swoop. He's managed to upset
the entire Northern Hemisphere, the talk of the best pack
in world rugby. What do you say to that? Being
of course a Northern Hemisphere boy in heart and soul,
even though you live here.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Now there was a raised Iro wouldn't feel declared they
are the best pack. I'll back his confidence though now.
I mean, you look at teams like South Africa and
Island of the two standouts, aren't they the all backs
that incredibly well over in the republic. That shows that
they are capable of being on that level. But I
know I completely agree the back lines when it's fortunately.
(04:03):
Damian McKenzie is Rugby's ultimate minut and that's just where
Australias are right now. So we should hopefully get something
from him today.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I'd like to think. So what about the Rugby Championship?
Has it lost its meaning? My favorite word of recent
times is traction? Has it got any.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
If you're asking me to I would say no.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I think the Rugby Championship, even if we were doing
fantastic in it and leading, it would be a year.
Well that's nice, But the fact is when you're playing
two tests each year against Australia and South Africa, it
feels like little mini series and those, as a rugby
tragic as i am, those feel more important to me
than the Rugby Championship.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
To be honest, what has.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
To happen Alex Powell to reinvigorate, to give something back
to this or do you just kind of let it
roll over and die?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I mean that's the question that the administrators will be
asking themselves, isn't it? What do we do here? If
you look at the six Nations every year, that's so
good because there's so much jeopardy, more than one team
can win it every year. You get close those games,
you get big crowds, whereas we don't seem to have
that down here. Other than New Zealand South Africa, there
aren't really too many fixtures they look out and go wow,
(05:15):
especially if the All Blacks aren't playing in them. Do
you add teams like Japan and Fiji? I mean, for
the good of the game, I'd say that'd be awesome,
But commercially is it viable at the moment? No, And
that's probably why they haven't done it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You're upset that the championship trophy no longer sits with
New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
No, I mean I like to think that New Zealand
needs this every now and then. You know, part of
what's wrong with the way they All Blacks perceived it
because they win so often and make it look so
easy that when that doesn't happen, New Zealand's own idea
of itself has changed. And to have to recover from that,
I think is a really good thing.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And of course the Six Nations also has easy beats
Italy on a regular basis, which doesn't add anything to it.
But they're still there by hook or by crocil. Do
I change tech just slightly? And sorry if I've thrown
you off kilty here. I had Crystal n Jamin there
Ways a few days ago talking about the eligibility situation,
and he said, look and even seems to raise its
(06:15):
head when we start losing. That's probably a fair thing
to say, isn't. We don't really care until that happens,
and it's like, ah, what are we going to do?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
How are we going to fight?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And he's pretty stand up. He said, Look, we're don't
intend on changing it. We're going to monitor it, but
we're not going to knee jerk and throw the baby
out with the bath water.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Well, I think if you want to rech Super Rugby completely,
then you make all blacks overseas eligible for selecting for
the All Blacks, because that's because of death for Super Rugby.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And so that's your answer is yes, I agree entirely.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
It's only when we start the All Blacks start to
lose games that we start.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Saying, well, we've got to get players back from overseas. No,
we don't.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
We've got to have better development schemes here, We've got
to have better coaching here.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We've got to and I'm not talking about it all
black people.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm talking about right through, but particularly with the under
twenties and under twenty ones and so on. And that's
the answer I think to making the All Blacks great.
It's not bringing back guys who are basically past their
career best bringing them back from overseas because not not
(07:19):
because they might not work in the All Blacks. Yes,
that they well might work in the All Blacks, but
if you make it open flather, then why the hell
would somebody play here when you can go and play
in Japan or France for a hell of a lot
more money.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You think, though, Alex Feell that I woul't say inevitable,
but they'd lean toward this and it will appear at
some stage. It's just a case of I suppose a
graduated move toward it, just not going too far. But
they can't ignore it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Surely.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I think this is just the way the sport needs
to go. You look at South Africa. They've won two
World Cups with playing players playing overseas. So what do
New Zealand Rugby know that South Africa doesn't in this regard.
Just quickly, in relation to what Phil said. While I
agree that in the past it absolutely was you would
be bringing back guys are past their prime, the issue
now is guys are leaving in their prime. Richiem Along
is thirty, Shannon Frazel's about the same, and they were
(08:12):
both guys that Razer has said he could have built
his team around, whether or not.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Pia Tower back in the days, Young follows.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, well, I mean Lester fine Manuku's twenty three. You know,
you think about how much more he's got to grow,
and he's playing in France, so financially you imagine he's
probably looked after. Whether or not they need to bring
in some sort of system like Australia had, where you say, right,
we're going to let you all go, but only three
of you can be all blacks. Whether or not that
would change the worry about Super rugby. But then I
(08:44):
think you also have to take into account feel very
did succinctly point out it would be damaging for Super rugby,
but Super Rugby is very damaged as it is. You know,
people aren't going to games, people are watching games on TV.
We've now got a final system that does not make sense.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh scene, So Alex, you're not that slowly, are you?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Look it makes sense from a logistical standpoint. Competitively, I
don't understand how you can lose a quarter final and
then get a semi final the week after and.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That will leave you to rest with and we'll come
back shortly and talk more about the sports stories of
the day, including Glasgy taking over his host of their
common Games and who is Will O'Rourke. And I love
the fact that I'm going to get you a red hat,
Phil Gifford, a red cat with Mabka written on it.
(09:38):
Make all Blacks great again. You said that, you said it,
I know you said it. It's eight forty four, thirteen
to nine All Star paneler Alex Powell, digital editor for
Sport when he said on the Herald and General all
round sportsman who's been around for so long, and he
(09:59):
makes us understand that when he talks about nineteen fifty
nine is it recent memory? His name is Phil Gifford,
k mabger make the All Blacks great again. I'm never
gonna let it. Won't go Glasgow, Phil Glasgow are picking
up the poisoned Chalice?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Why well, I'm delighted that they are for a start.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And this is you know, by and large, as you
know Dar see in conversations off here as well as
on here, I hate people in my advintage that and
I bless I believe I have never seriously used the
phrase in my day, but I love the Commonwealth Games
and yes, I know they're an anachronism.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I know they're nonsense.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I know it's sort of crazy that just because the
British once went there and style your land.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
That means you should have a Commonwealth Gas, you should
have rewards.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
You can have some beads and a games.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And a Commonwealth Games. But the fact is I've reported
on four Commonwealth Games and the last one was in
Glasgow in twenty fourteen. And as with the other three
that I went to, two of them here and one
years ago, decades ago in Scotland as well in Edinburgh,
is that it is one of the most enjoyable things
that you can go to because it's not blowing up
(11:11):
and bloated like the Olympics are. You can go and
see two or even three sports in one day. In
Glasgow in twenty fourteen, the city. To say it embraced
it would be to vastly understate it. And so while
I know that they are living on borrow time the
Calm Games, I mean, I'm delighted that they are going
to put it together and I'm also delighted with the
(11:32):
fact that they're going to do a thing which I
think the Olympics should do which has make them a
bit smaller rather than bigger.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's fair and Alex Powell, I've said this a few times,
not that anyone's lessening, but you want to Commonwealth games
great habit, it is wonderful. I'm with you, Phil two
thousand and six. Commonwealth is amazing in Melbourne. But maybe
you guys should fund it and run it and just
keep it in Britain, right Alex.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
It does feel like that, doesn't it, that it should
just be Britain and maybe at a pent Australia because
those facilities and infrastructure is already in place. You look
at when you have to get a city ready for
it and what the outlay you have to put down
to get your city ready for the returns just aren't there.
So I mean, if it bounces between Glasgow, Birmingham and
the Gold Coast for the rest of the time, I
don't think I'd be opposed.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
To that, not at all. It's ten to nine. Who
is Willow Rourke, Phil Gifford and is Pale joining us?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Sorry Alex?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Where we're talking about this in the office before this
guy is the new coming? Is neither of these eight
wickets and already he could be his second teen with
a bag.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I mean that's yeah, at the risk. I mean, I
need to put it out on the table now. I'm
so excited about Willer Rock. I might swear here, but
he has just been incredible in this Test. You look
at all the wickets to fall to seemas in this
Test there's only been nine Willow Rook's got eight of them.
He's come back from that injury he had in the
summer here against Australia and South Africa and he's gotten quicker,
(12:58):
which is incredible because he's doubled down on what he
needs to do. He's been fast, he's been hostile. I
don't imagine the Schlankins have liked facing him. And look,
they've got a big few tests coming up in the
Subcontinent over the next month or so. So I mean,
I hope, well they Rock plays every one of them
and can stay fit.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's the key thing that's not over. Bolvar guy still
relatively young, still growing into that massive frame of his
but the ball control Phil Gifford, he knows exactly what
he's doing that he knows where to put it. He's
got the pace, he's got that irritating steepling bounce as well.
He's a handful and make things even better. He's pretty
laid back too, isn't he feel? Nothing seems to bother?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
He's about the Cruiser. He's fantastic and I mean, looking
up about it, did you know he's the same heighth
as Scott Barrett. I mean he is a massive, massive guy.
And there's something about fast bowlers. I sort of have to.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Confess that over the years, and sometimes fast bowlers there
were guys that I've watched them play and I've thought, oh,
you know, they're aggressive and which Will o' rourke isn't
like you say, he just said, oh did I knock
your worker stand?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Well, but I mean I can remember having a lunch
and then sitting for a now chatting with all people
because I thought he was a jerk until I met him,
and he was the best company in the world. With
Denis Lily what a top blake, you know, I mean?
And that's the thing fast bowlers, by and large tend
to be. I'm not saying spin ballers aren't, but fast ballers,
I think tend to be great characters. And I think
(14:27):
fingers crossed for willow Roop because he is a guy
that I hope we see for years and years and
years doing the jobs in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Awesome on grants, Completely feel given as always, Thanks for
your time and your expertise, and Alex, I'm looking forward
to talking about Liam Lawson's new drive with you should
that be released on Monday like we think it may be,
because I know you're a bigger motorsport pig than I.
And thanks Powell, Cheers mate. Eight minutes to nine new
(14:57):
Stalk CB on the All Sport Breakfast, Jason Pyon joins
us next and tells what's coming up between twelve and
three on weekend.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
They go fine, laugh at me, get out Dean McLaughlin.
There we joined now on the All Star Panel by
mister Philip Gifford.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Philip, Hello, Yes, and good morning to you. Darcy. You've
got to lay off those energy drinks early in the morning. Brother.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I've had one coffee today. One, That's all. I've done
pretty well. This is just this is the way I roll.
And I very much enjoyed your Facebook poster around Cephi
Lareen that you put up.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I think it was to you. Yes, isn't she lovely? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Days back to where was it wayhee beach when you're
a young man going.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
To the cinema?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Why when I was twelve born a dolphin and she
got out of water looking exactly like that photograph I
passed at Darce go figure, Hey.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
What were you doing back then, Alex Powell?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
What year was that?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Nine?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
No, it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
No, I was ten years before mine as well. We're
likely to have the vintage of phil on the program.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
We are, aren't we right? Well? I hope so it does.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Right, let's start things off well. First we'll touch on
what we all want to touch on, which of course
is the Blairs. Like Cup, I still don't reckon there's
enough jeopardy in this. I think it'd be nice if,
actually if there was something a whole lot more on it,
because all seems a bit tame as far as Alex
storylines are concerned.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I mean, yeah, that's that's basically it, isn't it. We
know exactly what's going to happen over these next couple
of weeks. Australia aren't going to beat the All Blacks twice.
They will be incredibly fortunate if they beat them once.
But that just, you know, it's what Scott Robson's team
needs right now. They need to win, and they need
to win well, and they've probably got the opponents to
do it against.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Phil Interestingly, I talked him to Tony Johnson last night
and he said, look, you know, Will Jordan. Everyone wants
them at full back, but let's face it, he's basically
a winger for the All Blacks. He's scored heartloads and
try so let's just leave him there and be happy
because he's very, very effective out there.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Well he's a magnificent footballer, but I still think fallback
is his best position. But it's not much use whining
and beating about that because obviously he's not playing there
and may not be playing there for a while. Just
very quickly and carrying on to what Alex was saying,
what's essential for the All Blacks, and I don't use
the word of central lightly. I think it's terribly important
(02:32):
right at this moment that the All Blacks have two
very good wins, because I was actually one person who
felt that they played pretty damn well in South Africa
because it's very hard over there when you're at Alice
Park and even at Cape Town, it's very hard to
beat South Africa on their home so it's hard to
beat them anywhere with the bomb squad and stuff. I
think right at the moment that the All Blacks have
(02:53):
got the forward pack basically right. I think they are
the best forwards in world rugby. They're the best at
the scrum and they can and the best scrum in
world rugby. They have a line out that's as good
as anybody else, and not saying it's the best, but
it can compete with anybody else in the world rugby
in general play maybe not at the top of the game,
but basically a hell of a good forward pack. The
(03:14):
back line is what we need to see and a
sunny day, a hard track. Here's their chance to show
that because it still feels a little unsettled to me.
The back line, here's the chance to show that. Fingers crossed,
they have got it right.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Alex Powell and one fell swoop. He's managed to upset
the entire Northern Hemisphere, the talk of the best pack
in world rugby. What do you say to that? Being
of course a Northern Hemisphere boy in heart and soul,
even though you live here.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Now there was a raised Iro wouldn't feel declared they
are the best pack. I'll back his confidence though now.
I mean, you look at teams like South Africa and
Island of the two standouts, aren't they the all backs
that incredibly well over in the republic. That shows that
they are capable of being on that level. But I
know I completely agree the back lines when it's fortunately.
(04:03):
Damian McKenzie is Rugby's ultimate minut and that's just where
Australias are right now. So we should hopefully get something
from him today.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I'd like to think. So what about the Rugby Championship?
Has it lost its meaning? My favorite word of recent
times is traction? Has it got any.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
If you're asking me to I would say no.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I think the Rugby Championship, even if we were doing
fantastic in it and leading, it would be a year.
Well that's nice, But the fact is when you're playing
two tests each year against Australia and South Africa, it
feels like little mini series and those, as a rugby
tragic as i am, those feel more important to me
than the Rugby Championship.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
To be honest, what has.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
To happen Alex Powell to reinvigorate, to give something back
to this or do you just kind of let it
roll over and die?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
I mean that's the question that the administrators will be
asking themselves, isn't it? What do we do here? If
you look at the six Nations every year, that's so
good because there's so much jeopardy, more than one team
can win it every year. You get close those games,
you get big crowds, whereas we don't seem to have
that down here. Other than New Zealand South Africa, there
aren't really too many fixtures they look out and go wow,
(05:15):
especially if the All Blacks aren't playing in them. Do
you add teams like Japan and Fiji? I mean, for
the good of the game, I'd say that'd be awesome,
But commercially is it viable at the moment? No, And
that's probably why they haven't done it.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
You're upset that the championship trophy no longer sits with
New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
No, I mean I like to think that New Zealand
needs this every now and then. You know, part of
what's wrong with the way they All Blacks perceived it
because they win so often and make it look so
easy that when that doesn't happen, New Zealand's own idea
of itself has changed. And to have to recover from that,
I think is a really good thing.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
And of course the Six Nations also has easy beats
Italy on a regular basis, which doesn't add anything to it.
But they're still there by hook or by crocil. Do
I change tech just slightly? And sorry if I've thrown
you off kilty here. I had Crystal n Jamin there
Ways a few days ago talking about the eligibility situation,
and he said, look and even seems to raise its
(06:15):
head when we start losing. That's probably a fair thing
to say, isn't. We don't really care until that happens,
and it's like, ah, what are we going to do?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
How are we going to fight?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And he's pretty stand up. He said, Look, we're don't
intend on changing it. We're going to monitor it, but
we're not going to knee jerk and throw the baby
out with the bath water.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Well, I think if you want to rech Super Rugby completely,
then you make all blacks overseas eligible for selecting for
the All Blacks, because that's because of death for Super Rugby.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
And so that's your answer is yes, I agree entirely.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
It's only when we start the All Blacks start to
lose games that we start.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Saying, well, we've got to get players back from overseas. No,
we don't.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
We've got to have better development schemes here, We've got
to have better coaching here.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We've got to and I'm not talking about it all
black people.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
I'm talking about right through, but particularly with the under
twenties and under twenty ones and so on. And that's
the answer I think to making the All Blacks great.
It's not bringing back guys who are basically past their
career best bringing them back from overseas because not not
(07:19):
because they might not work in the All Blacks. Yes,
that they well might work in the All Blacks, but
if you make it open flather, then why the hell
would somebody play here when you can go and play
in Japan or France for a hell of a lot
more money.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
You think, though, Alex Feell that I woul't say inevitable,
but they'd lean toward this and it will appear at
some stage. It's just a case of I suppose a
graduated move toward it, just not going too far. But
they can't ignore it.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Surely.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
I think this is just the way the sport needs
to go. You look at South Africa. They've won two
World Cups with playing players playing overseas. So what do
New Zealand Rugby know that South Africa doesn't in this regard.
Just quickly, in relation to what Phil said. While I
agree that in the past it absolutely was you would
be bringing back guys are past their prime, the issue
now is guys are leaving in their prime. Richiem Along
is thirty, Shannon Frazel's about the same, and they were
(08:12):
both guys that Razer has said he could have built
his team around, whether or not.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Pia Tower back in the days, Young follows.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, well, I mean Lester fine Manuku's twenty three. You know,
you think about how much more he's got to grow,
and he's playing in France, so financially you imagine he's
probably looked after. Whether or not they need to bring
in some sort of system like Australia had, where you say, right,
we're going to let you all go, but only three
of you can be all blacks. Whether or not that
would change the worry about Super rugby. But then I
(08:44):
think you also have to take into account feel very
did succinctly point out it would be damaging for Super rugby,
but Super Rugby is very damaged as it is. You know,
people aren't going to games, people are watching games on TV.
We've now got a final system that does not make sense.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh scene, So Alex, you're not that slowly, are you?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Look it makes sense from a logistical standpoint. Competitively, I
don't understand how you can lose a quarter final and
then get a semi final the week after and.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
That will leave you to rest with and we'll come
back shortly and talk more about the sports stories of
the day, including Glasgy taking over his host of their
common Games and who is Will O'Rourke. And I love
the fact that I'm going to get you a red hat,
Phil Gifford, a red cat with Mabka written on it.
(09:38):
Make all Blacks great again. You said that, you said it,
I know you said it. It's eight forty four, thirteen
to nine All Star paneler Alex Powell, digital editor for
Sport when he said on the Herald and General all
round sportsman who's been around for so long, and he
(09:59):
makes us understand that when he talks about nineteen fifty
nine is it recent memory? His name is Phil Gifford,
k mabger make the All Blacks great again. I'm never
gonna let it. Won't go Glasgow, Phil Glasgow are picking
up the poisoned Chalice?
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Why well, I'm delighted that they are for a start.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
And this is you know, by and large, as you
know Dar see in conversations off here as well as
on here, I hate people in my advintage that and
I bless I believe I have never seriously used the
phrase in my day, but I love the Commonwealth Games
and yes, I know they're an anachronism.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I know they're nonsense.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I know it's sort of crazy that just because the
British once went there and style your land.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
That means you should have a Commonwealth Gas, you should
have rewards.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
You can have some beads and a games.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
And a Commonwealth Games. But the fact is I've reported
on four Commonwealth Games and the last one was in
Glasgow in twenty fourteen. And as with the other three
that I went to, two of them here and one
years ago, decades ago in Scotland as well in Edinburgh,
is that it is one of the most enjoyable things
that you can go to because it's not blowing up
(11:11):
and bloated like the Olympics are. You can go and
see two or even three sports in one day. In
Glasgow in twenty fourteen, the city. To say it embraced
it would be to vastly understate it. And so while
I know that they are living on borrow time the
Calm Games, I mean, I'm delighted that they are going
to put it together and I'm also delighted with the
(11:32):
fact that they're going to do a thing which I
think the Olympics should do which has make them a
bit smaller rather than bigger.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's fair and Alex Powell, I've said this a few times,
not that anyone's lessening, but you want to Commonwealth games
great habit, it is wonderful. I'm with you, Phil two
thousand and six. Commonwealth is amazing in Melbourne. But maybe
you guys should fund it and run it and just
keep it in Britain, right Alex.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
It does feel like that, doesn't it, that it should
just be Britain and maybe at a pent Australia because
those facilities and infrastructure is already in place. You look
at when you have to get a city ready for
it and what the outlay you have to put down
to get your city ready for the returns just aren't there.
So I mean, if it bounces between Glasgow, Birmingham and
the Gold Coast for the rest of the time, I
don't think I'd be opposed.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
To that, not at all. It's ten to nine. Who
is Willow Rourke, Phil Gifford and is Pale joining us?
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Sorry Alex?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Where we're talking about this in the office before this
guy is the new coming? Is neither of these eight
wickets and already he could be his second teen with
a bag.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
I mean that's yeah, at the risk. I mean, I
need to put it out on the table now. I'm
so excited about Willer Rock. I might swear here, but
he has just been incredible in this Test. You look
at all the wickets to fall to seemas in this
Test there's only been nine Willow Rook's got eight of them.
He's come back from that injury he had in the
summer here against Australia and South Africa and he's gotten quicker,
(12:58):
which is incredible because he's doubled down on what he
needs to do. He's been fast, he's been hostile. I
don't imagine the Schlankins have liked facing him. And look,
they've got a big few tests coming up in the
Subcontinent over the next month or so. So I mean,
I hope, well they Rock plays every one of them
and can stay fit.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
That's the key thing that's not over. Bolvar guy still
relatively young, still growing into that massive frame of his
but the ball control Phil Gifford, he knows exactly what
he's doing that he knows where to put it. He's
got the pace, he's got that irritating steepling bounce as well.
He's a handful and make things even better. He's pretty
laid back too, isn't he feel? Nothing seems to bother?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
He's about the Cruiser. He's fantastic and I mean, looking
up about it, did you know he's the same heighth
as Scott Barrett. I mean he is a massive, massive guy.
And there's something about fast bowlers. I sort of have to.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Confess that over the years, and sometimes fast bowlers there
were guys that I've watched them play and I've thought, oh,
you know, they're aggressive and which Will o' rourke isn't
like you say, he just said, oh did I knock
your worker stand?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Sorry?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Well, but I mean I can remember having a lunch
and then sitting for a now chatting with all people
because I thought he was a jerk until I met him,
and he was the best company in the world. With
Denis Lily what a top blake, you know, I mean?
And that's the thing fast bowlers, by and large tend
to be. I'm not saying spin ballers aren't, but fast ballers,
I think tend to be great characters. And I think
(14:27):
fingers crossed for willow Roop because he is a guy
that I hope we see for years and years and
years doing the jobs in New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Awesome on grants, Completely feel given as always, Thanks for
your time and your expertise, and Alex, I'm looking forward
to talking about Liam Lawson's new drive with you should
that be released on Monday like we think it may be,
because I know you're a bigger motorsport pig than I.
And thanks Powell, Cheers mate. Eight minutes to nine new
(14:57):
Stalk CB on the All Sport Breakfast, Jason Pyon joins
us next and tells what's coming up between twelve and
three on weekend.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
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