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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from News Talk sed B, Paul Sport Breakfast All
Star Panel.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
And the All Star Panel gets running now. I've actually
just worked out that I'm the same age as Nathan
Limb's dead old age age. To talk to you about that,
do I? Paul Allison, how are you my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I was good with.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Hey, we're seasoned mate, that's what we are, and we're
also joined by the youth on the way through. Although
Aiden mcgloch, I've got no idea how old you are, mate,
and it probably doesn't matter. All Welcome to the show.
Great to have you on board for the first time.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Yeah, thanks Darcy, thanks for having me. I don't think
I'm too far behind you and Paul, and morning to
you as well.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Paul and Aidan mcglockham. Freelance sports journalist stars does a
lot of work for Panda Sport. Loves this formula one
which suits me down to the ground and with that
will start off with for me, not only the news
of the week, the news of the month, the news
of that, it's the news of the year. Liam Lawson
has got us racing bulls seat after Riccardo got understandably
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acted aid phenomenal. You're a Formula one fan, you write
about it. You know how big this is. And more's
the point, how unlikely this is. This is an almost
impossible dream.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Is it not? Well, it really is, Darcy.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I mean, you know, it is the worst kept secret
on the paddic in terms of the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But if you look well.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Beyond that, then yeah, it's an incredible dream that's come true.
This is not the sort of thing that regularly happens
in Formula one at all, and people kind of need
to get that into context because usually to get into
Formula one, yes, you've got to have talent. Everyone's going
to have talent, but plenty of people have got talent.
You've also got to have plenty of money behind you.
You've got to have very very deep pockets sponsors, backers,
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and Liam does have that, but he does not have
that to the extent to the vast majority of the
people on the grid. So not only is it a
great day for Liam Lawson and a great opportunity for him,
but it's a real just a great occasion for his
parents's family and for all those investors and backers that
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he's had over the years because this has been a really,
really tough journey.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, Sir Colin Giltrap heavily involved. Rest in peace, Sir
Colin will be loving this. And there's so many more
people in motorsport that climbed on into this one. And
you'll know Paul Allison another in a long line of
outrageous success stories in New Zealand motorsport, right from way
back when two wheels, four wheels, It doesn't matter. This
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is I keep saying it and people keep shouting me down.
This is our national sport. Paul Ellison, Well, he.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Goes back to nineteen fifty eight, doesn't it with Bruce McLaren.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
What did he get?
Speaker 5 (02:55):
Come on, Oh, you fair enough, but I'm talking about
Formula one and and if you start talking about Bruce
McLaren in fifty eight and then went on to have
four wins and twenty seven podiums, and Denny Home with
his thirty three podiums and Chris Aimon, you know, those
are the legendary names. And the fact that there's only
been one other New Zealander in the last forty years
that have got through to this level. It's been a
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dream come through from a young six year old sixteen
years ago, Liam Lawson, who's just gone through the grades.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He's done everything right.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
He's had fantastic support, as you say, from a number
of people, including his parents who sold their house to
be able to allow him to pursue this dream. And
the fact that now he's got six guaranteed drives over
the next well they're in consecutive weeks when you start
at the US Grand Prix through to Aberdabi at the
in the ninth of December.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
This is just a fantastic story.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It's a great New Zealand sporting story, and this young
man's full of promise.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I actually think he's going to deliver on it. He's
one for you, Darcy.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
I think he's going to make it to the podium
and join those names that I mentioned like McLaren Holm
and Amon somewhere in his career.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah. Well, let's hope that he can pull ad any
Holme because what was it, sixty seven championship are wow,
this is happy days and I'm going to walk away
from this now. Got to stop talking about it. People
are getting driven nuts bite but it is great news.
And now all these races coming out Aidan and you'd
know this. They're all at such good times for New
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Zealand consumption too, so that's happy days all right, from
the sublime to the ridiculous. The All Blacks are playing
the Wallabies. It's three in the world versus ten in
the world. And the Wallabies think they have a sniff
Do they really aiden based on what you saw last week?
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, forget what we saw last week.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I see they're playing in Wellington, so everyone's going to
sniff in Wellington, don't they. You know, it's been a
long seven or eight years. I think that the All
Blacks have endured in the Capitol. But for joking aside,
I mean, I think after the first fifteen twenty minutes
last week, we didn't think the Wallabies had a chance,
and I think what we're seeing the season is that
the All Blacks inconsistency and their inability to perform the
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last twenty minutes means that pretty much anyone's in with
the chance at the moment, and the Wallabies came from
absolutely nowhere last week and made it very very close.
The All Blacks didn't help themselves with those two late
yellow cards, So all things being equal, no the All
Blacks should win relatively comfortably, but unfortunately we're in a
season where we just can't depend on that to happen.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You can say, Paul, that's probably the best rugby championship
in some time because the results have been so all
over this shop.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
It has in terms of interest, but not in terms
of clinical performances from the All Blacks. They just haven't
finished well. They've had yellow cards at critical times. They
haven't had the bench making the impact. Their kicking game
hasn't been accurate enough. The missing in my opinion, the
likes of Aaron Smith and Richie Muhanga big time in
that number nine and number ten position and being able
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to control the game and getting good quick ball. Their
discipline hasn't been good enough and they get good starts
like they did in South Africa where they lead at
halftime and cape down. They led comfortably last week and
then just let the opposition back into the game. You
sort of seen there is a little bit of panic
inside the All Black camp when they bring in Wayne Smith.
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I mean they did it with the women's team. A
little bit of panic. Then when they got beaten heavily
for Black Ferns by England and France. He came in
and turned things around. I'm sure he's only just going
to be suggesting some minor little tweaks. The All Blacks
aren't far away, but they still need to put out
the convincing eighty minute performance and they haven't really done that.
They looked so promising against England at the start of
the year but haven't kicked on.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And today they've got a chance to do that.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
The weather spine, forget about the bogey of Wellington and
the sky Stadium or Westpac Stadium or west Pac Trust Stadium,
whatever it's been called over the years, tend to look through.
They've played twenty eight times the one twenty one, drawn
to and lost five and they went for a twelve
year period sixteen unbeaten games between two thousand and four
and twenty sixteen. So I don't think it's a hoodoo
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or a bogie ground for them. They just need to
get their act together and be a lot more clinical,
a lot more accurate. And I think that's why Boden
Barrett's come under that number ten position, because as brave
as what Damien McKenzie is and as skillful as he is,
he's a player, in my opinion, that needs a little
bit of space and he doesn't get it at high
pressure situation. Test matches in the number ten position is
kicking game is not accurate enough. He kicks too deep
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and allows the opposition to have uncontested possession. But he
is a very very skilful player, very brave, and he
started most of his rugby for the All Blacks and
number fifteen.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
He's had twenty three starts there.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
He's only had thirteen and the number ten position, and
eight of them have been this year. And I still
think he's growing into that position. I think that's why
that change has been made.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, a safest coming off the bench out the back
and Aiden mcglock can I look at that. The confidence
I have when the going gets tough and Damien McKenzie
does not exist. I don't feel like he's going to
make the right decisions under pressure and that scares me
and I expect that freaks out the team as well.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
And to Paul's point, I mean, I really liked we'll
go back to six seven years now, but I really
liked the combination when Boden was at ten and when
and Damien was at fifteen. I mean, if we think back,
you know that was probably locked into the twenty nineteen
World Cup that combination, but then Damon McKenzie suffered a
serious injury, which meant that Steve Hanson and co. Had
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to juggle things around, and it meant that Richie came
in at Richie Waryer came in at ten, and Boden
ended up at fifteen. So I think they were pretty
successful when they combined as a ten to fifteen combat
with Bowden at ten, and I quite like this change,
to be honest with you, I do think Boden will
bring a little bit more calm to the situation. And
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I think when Damon comes on with twenty twenty five
minutes ago, whatever it may be, I think there will
be a lot more space out there for him to
show his real impact on the game. So it's a
change I'm pretty comfortable with. I think it's gonna be
really interesting to see what they do on the end
of season tour. A little bit disappointed that Harry Plummer
has been removed from the bench this week. I was
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hoping he might get a bit of time, But yeah,
it'd be interesting to see what they do when they
move up north.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Start looking forward, mate, constant trading on the President's right here,
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Ada McLoughlin freelance a sports journo, and of course some
Paul Allison, longtime furniture and sport radio goldsport commentator. We'll
be back with more. We'll talk about the black Caps.
I don't really want to, but I suppose we have to.
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Might throw the white ferns into that chaos as well.
It's not been a good time for cricket recently. This
is News Talks AB it's scored of the name the
twelve minutes to nine All Star panel and Paul Allison,
what's going on over in Sri Lanka? This has been horrible, mate, horrible.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, six hundred and two for five. Yeah, it's what
is it?
Speaker 5 (09:51):
The fifth highest first inning total post against New Zealand
ever and just couldn't get any breakthroughs fielding wasn't quite
good enough.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Look at Mendus, what is he?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
Twenty five years of age, eight test matches, five hundreds
and four fifties. How we dearly love someone like that?
At the moment he's been the fastest to one thousand runs.
I think in Test cricket since Donald Bradman and they've
uncovered a new absolute superstar and world cricket New Zealand,
it's just struggling at the moment to be able to
get any penetration in the bowling attack. And sure and
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those and those wickets which are very spin favored. We
bowled one hundred and twenty four overs of spin I think,
the most we've ever bowled in an inning since about
nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
And who bowled most of those?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, that's right, part yeah, Phelips Ribindra. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
What hope is there? Aid? Now that I suppose it's
giving his excuse not to really watch any crickets night.
I've got plenty of other things on. I won't feel
guilty about not double screening it. Is there a way
back from the Richie from Chew for twenty two? What
can happen there? How can they retrieve anything out of this?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
It's a long long way back to Darcy. I mean, personally,
I'm half a glass, half full person usually, but even
I don't really see the hope here. I think the
best hope is to do some sort of rain dance
and hope that the weather intervenes here because at twenty
two for two, you know, Conway continues his writchard run
of form. Tom Latham out early in the piece to
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the send out a night watchman to protect protect Rassian Ravendra,
which kind of sums things up really, so hey, usual
sort of thing. They're just going to knuckle down. They've
got to make some big have some big partnerships and
but you know, an inning's defeat looks the most likely
result unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Paul, do you have much faith in Tim Salvey as
a captain?
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Look, he's been one of our greatest ever crackerners, there's
no doubt about that, and he's struggling to get penetration
now in terms of wicket taking ability a cat. But well,
I don't know. I mean, you can't always blame the captain,
is it.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
So what is he doing?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
He's got people around him, He's got Kane Williamson on
that side giving him some advice as well.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I don't think you can you can put.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
The spotlight under him totally. This is a team performeds
and our bowlers haven't been able to take the wickets
that they needed to. The fielding wasn't at a good
enough standard. That's not the captain's fault. If your team
isn't performing as well as they should in the field,
you've got to be able to take the catchers and
take opportunities when they come where there is that He's
probably not the long term option for us as a captain,
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but you know who else?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Who else do you go to?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
When Williams said well I don't want to be Test captain.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I don't know. I've been reading social media as Aidan does,
and he's under the pump, I tell you. But let's
leave it to one side and move to the even
do we have to carry on with poor cricket stories?
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Aid In?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
The White Ferns teen straight t twenty losses on the bounce,
I suppose they smashed the rear visions. Off come the
World Cup and we forget it all. But while it's
been a hard hard time for the girls.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Well yeah it has. And you know there's a big
three in women's cricket and the husband for a while,
and that's England, Australia and India, and the poor old
White Ferns have come across England and Australia in decent
runs of form over the last six months or so.
And yeah, it's tough. I mean T twenty is a
pretty fickle game. We do know that, and on your day,
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you know, you can pretty much beat anyone. But it's
been really tough. They've had their opportunities, and I think
that's probably the most frustrating thing from the White Fern's
point of view, that second T twenty during the week there,
they actually bowled the Australians out, which very rarely happens
in the T twenty, and they bowled them out for
the early one forties. So you thought, right, this is
the chance, this is you know where we're going to
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make some in roads here and we're actually going to
get one over them. But it wasn't to be. And
I think I'm relatively content with the way that the
bowling lineup has been going, but it's just the batting
lineup has just it's really struggling to make any sort
of imprint on the opposition, and generally speaking that the
boundary count just isn't big enough. You know, they're usually
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finishing these games five six, seven less boundaries and the
T twenty International Leisure Game right there and on the
sorry you.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Got ten seconds go Paul go I too much on
you did, right? I mean merely Susie Baits Sophie divine
of the three rock star batters, and you just get
a sense of divine and Baits are probably slightly past
their best and it doesn't get easier for them because
I've got India, Australias, from Anka and Pakistan in there.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Paul at the T twenty which starts next week, and on.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
That We'll let you both go have terrific weekends, look
after yourself, be kind to you and yours and we'll
catch you again next time we get you here on
the All Star panel, there was Aiden McGlaughlin, independent freelance
sports journo Hawks Bay Today is where he does a
lot of his work. Also sports Free not Panda Sport
that was from way back in the day, and of
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course our own beloved Paul Allison. This is news Stork's
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