October 11, 2024 • 15 mins
The latest edition of 'The All-Star Panel' features Wellington Mornings Host Nick Mills and Newstalk ZB Sports Journalist Nathan Limm.
On this weekend's agenda:
Does anyone care about the America's Cup? Big changes are being made at Wimbledon, and can the Black Caps pinch a victory in India?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldegrave from Newstalks EDB All Sports Breakfast, All Star Panel.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yes, let's welcome in our All Star panel for another
Saturday morning. If its Tones all morning, reading our sports
news manning the Sports Test this morning, Nathan Lim, morning
to youon Nate, How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Good morning, Coops and Wold. Thanks, pleasure to be on
with you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yep. Likewise, make it to have you on boards and
Nick Mills, host of News talksb's Wellington Mornings of course,
longtime owner of the Saints basketball team and the Capital
as well. Morning to you and that you're enjoying the
Wellington sunshine this morning.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I haven't even looked out the door because it's my
sleeping day.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well there you go. Well I can tell you that
that sunshine awaits Nick, so it'll put a smile on
your face very shortly. Right, let's crack on into it.
I want to start with the America's Cup. I said it
was talking last hour. How I just think Kiwis have
grown sort of more and more disenfranchised with you know,
the previously iconic and fun events that sort of growing,
you know, disconnect with Team New Zealand as well. Nick,
(01:06):
someone outside of Auckland's where do you see your kind
of you know, relationship with the America's Cup and Team
New Zealand at the moment heading into the big racing tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well, I've got to say that when it was an Auckland,
I made a trip up there and I enjoyed it
and I loved it, and I thought it was just
so good for our country. But realistically, since Grant Dalton
made that decision, I've kind of hated on him. Really,
I've got to be I've got to be really honest.
I've really I just don't think he's a real Kiwi
and he's taken it away and he's taken much away
(01:34):
from us. We owned that Cup. It was ours, but
it does not feel right now, and I know it
starts tomorrow morning. It doesn't feel like it's ours anymore.
It feels like he's taken it. He's taken his ball
and gone home.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, Nathan, what do you reckon is the beginning of
the end of our relationship with you know, getting behind
the America's Cup and Team New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
While I've got to be honest, I haven't watched any
any of the racing so far through the tournament. Obviously
any I was qualifying for the actual America's Cup, and
it is hard to see myself really justly staying up
that late to watch it every night. I'm more likely
to catch the highlights in the morning, or if it's
you know, right down to the final couple of races,
maybe I'll stay up for it. But to be honest,
(02:15):
I do feel a lot of disconnect from Team New Zealand.
We've got to remember they're also a private organization. They're
backed by you know, billionaires that they're not like an
officially a New Zealand team. They are private, you know organization.
But look, I mean Grant Dalton will say we couldn't
get it done in Auckland. We didn't have a choice.
But it doesn't help, does it when when actually we're
(02:37):
the champions and we're racing in the middle of the
night and most New Zealanders are not going to see it,
and there's going to be a huge amount of disconnect
I think, from the public to Team New Zealand when
you compare it to the last America's Cup, when we
were able to watch Team New Zealand go around the
off the port of Auckland. So yeah, I definitely feel,
you know, a lot of disconnect from this team. It
doesn't you know, I suppose the names, you know, Berlin
(03:00):
and Chuke really are what keep New Zealand is are
connected to them. To be honest, I think if they win,
I think Berling and Duke undoubtedly become two the New
Zealand's greatest ever sailors, you know, along with the lights
of Sir Peter Blake. But I mean in terms of
the competition as a whole, team New Zealand favored to win,
obviously pretending you yet to beat New Zealand in a
(03:20):
full race. And it'll be really interesting to see how
these next races play out. But again I'm not sure
I'll be watching.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, now, I think I mentioned it to you and
in our office yesterday. What about Team Abu Dhabi. They're
sponsored by Emirates. They've got all this offshore money that's
not coming into New Zealand. Should they be using the
New Zealand brand?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well, they can use whatever brand they want, because as
Nathan said, it's basically you know, private enterprise that own it.
They can do. There's an old saying and sport who's
got the money has to say? And that's definitely the
answer to that question. Realistically, I just don't feel there's
a New Zealand the key. We buzz to it, and
(03:59):
I think it's the thing that we'll just have to
accept and it's a big money, big organization and we're
too small for it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, I said at last hour, I think it's the
beginning of the end in terms of New Zealander's interest
in the America's Cup and Team New Zealand itself. Right,
Nathan Caen, you get your thoughts on this. I know
this would have been of interest to you. Last night
and in the morning. Marcelo Montoya Warriors given him an
early release from his contract to return to Australia. He
was meant to be here for another year. How much
of a surprise was this and what impact does this
have on the team that's Can I have a bit
(04:27):
of an interesting offseason? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Well, I wouldn't say it was a huge surprise just
for me, because if you look at that side of
the field for the Warriors, we've got Ed Corsi or
Marcello Montour at this point in both of their careers.
They want to be starting for a first grade team,
and Ed Corsey has been kept in reserve grade, so
I did feel that one of them was going to leave.
It'll be, I guess interesting to see how Marcelo goes.
(04:51):
I imagine he'll look to sort of finish his career
at the Bulldoz obviously depending how that goes. But they're
a team on the rise as well, so I'm sure
that Marcello was very keen to get amongst that in
an environment he's familiar with too, having debuted for the
Bulldogs back in twenty seve seen as well, so he's
sort of gone full circle. Really, But I do really
I really like Ed Corsey. I like the way he plays.
(05:13):
He brings a lot of power, a lot of pace
down that left edge for the Warriors. So look, I
think that the Warriors are going to be fine next
year without marcel and Montoya. Again, I think it was
something that was in the pipeline.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Now, given everything else that's happened with the Warriors people
coming and going this offseason, what are your hopes for
next year, especially on the back of this news.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You know where my biggest concern is with league at
the moment is and I think that the Warriors really
there's some real major issue to why the Warriors haven't
performed the way they should and I'm really trying to
put my finger on it. I think it's got something
to do with private enterprise ownership again, and someone that
really doesn't know League that well may think that he does,
(05:57):
but he doesn't owning the team. I just don't have
any real confidence that they are going to be any
better next year than they were last year. But my
biggest concern for League is the fact that they can
get out of contracts. You know, it's the whole way
that this is going Now. Oh for mental health, I
want to go back to my family, want to do this,
want to do that. Really, what's going to happen is
(06:18):
that highest bid is always going to win. And I
think that's a real concern for League at the moment.
And you know, you're going to be doing underhand deals.
There's going to be all this going on, and if
somebody doesn't want to be somewhere, if you got offered
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars more to go and
work somewhere else and you go back to work, you're
never going to be happy. You know, you're never going
(06:40):
to trust them. So I think there's a real issue
that they need to stamp out. In league, generally, you
sign a contract, no matter what you do that contract
or you stand down.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I'll challenge you there on that. And because we don't
actually know that the circumstances necessarily of this, we just
know that the Warriors have released Marcelo. Presumably he wanted
to go, yes, But I think that you know, you
hear a lot. It gets hyped up a lot, actually
when obviously looking at the Afanil Blake thing when to
go back to Sydney earlier this year. But I think
that is the vast minority. I think the vast majority
(07:12):
of the NRL players will see out their contract and
are held to that. I think you do get to
a point though, where you have the upper echelons of
the players, the in infanel Blakes of the competition that
do have that much more power just given their standing
in the game. But I'd say that's an issue regarding
the minority rather than the majority.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I think it's coming more and more. I think I
definitely know it's happening, So I think it's a problem
that could get a hell of a lot worse.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Indeed, well yeah, uncertainty is the word with that. Will
take a quick break with our All Star panel, Nick Mills,
Nathan Limit with us, but more to get our teeth
into what the hell's going on with Rugby Australia and
the Melbourne Rebels. Can't be good for the game canon
and the Black Caps are only a few days away
from the mammoth task of Tests one in India without
Kane Williamson, how will they get on? We'll discuss that
(08:01):
next here on the All Star Panel on the All
Sport break for sixteen away from nine fourteen and away
from nine here on the All Sport Breakfast. We've got
Nick Mills and Nathan Limb on our All Star panel
this morning. Right this absolute mess with Rugby Australia. They
(08:22):
never out of the headlines, are they. It's a shocking situation.
So the latest is Melbourne Rebels lodging a claim basically
sewing for thirty three million dollars in damages. Obviously the
Rebels finishing up as a super rugby club. Now Rugby
Australia is preparing a legal counterclaim of its own. Nick,
you've had a lifetime involved in sports management. What do
(08:42):
you see is the outcome or any good by all
that's happening here.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Well, the real problem is that no longer do they
have a rugby team in Melbourne. And I think that
he even though that it's not a rugby city and
they've made a huge, huge commitment to making it a
rugby city. It worked for Lee. You know they said
that you could not run a league team in Melbourne. Well,
Melbourne Storm is probably one of the greatest league teams
you know of current history. So I think that they've
(09:10):
been let I think Melbourne have definitely been the rebels
have definitely been let down. And I think that Australia
Rugby should have done more to actually make that carry on.
Maybe they had an organization that wasn't as clever as
they thought they were and as apparently, you know, supposedly
rumored that there's a few lives being put around about
the dollar value of sponsors and money that's going in.
(09:33):
There was some issues there. But the major problem we've
got is we no longer have a rugby team in Melbourne. Now,
for people that are sitting there, who do we why
do we care? We in New Zealand need rugby in
Australia to be a hell of a lot stronger than
it is. We need that for the survival of our
game and the impact and the passion and all the
(09:53):
things that we want rugby to be. We need rugby
to be stronger in Australia and that really is a
major blow and there's fault on both sides, but they
need to sort it out.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, Nate, what do you reckon? I mean, it never
really worked. It that the Rebels they struggled for Wednesday,
struggled for fans in a congested market. There should have
more been done to keep them alive. Do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's hard to say because they're both telling different stories. Obviously,
the Rebels have come out and said that Rugby Australia
didn't fulfill their financial responsibilities in terms of helping them.
I know that Rugby Australia did actually fund their last year,
but the rebels kind that they should have done more.
The Rebels have also said that Rugby Australia was the
quote was like unacceptable and unauthorized spending during last year's
(10:38):
Rugby World Cup, and then Rugby Australia have come back
and said that actually the Rebels have misrepresented their financial
position in the years prior, and so Rugby Australia didn't
actually have a good understanding of the financial position the
rebels were actually in. In other words, someone's telling Porky's
or they're both just not using money correctly. And I
(10:59):
think this is a really good example of how important
staff to professional sport, the people who go on behind
the scenes, who make decisions about the money, because you
can have people who have never heard of and their
decisions can completely derail a franchise and start what is
effectively a civil war in rugby Australia.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, and that given we've got the New Zealand Rugby
TV rights deal up at the end of next season,
did you fear that, you know, any situation like this
could happen here with some super rugby clubs, given that
they're financial states.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
At the moment, Well, I think that. I think you're
one hundred percent right. I mean, you know, we're both
in the hurricane base and there's you know, you only
have to read ABC and know that there's financial issues there.
I mean, it's a complete financial fiasco all of rugby
at the moment. Who's making MAKESI money out of it, nobody,
So yes, the TV rights are the key to all
(11:51):
of that as we as we all know. So I
think you're going to find that. Mike Guss is telling
me very strongly that the New Zealand Rugby Union is
going to take over the TV rights, I think, and
that will be an absolute game changer for us.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, it will be interesting. They're certainly getting in that
space at the moment. Right to wrap up, guys, we've
got New Zealand with the mammoth task, a new Test
captain with Tom Latham, no Caine Williamson at least for
this first portion of the two but three tests in
India doesn't get much tougher in cricket Nate any chance
of New Zealand's even getting on the board, let alone
a series victory.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I give them a one and ten chance of winning
this first Test. Look, it's really there's no tougher place
to play in the world other than maybe in Australia.
Against Australia, this Indian team is extremely strong in the
brack Caps are not in good form for me. The
top order batting order really needs to step up in
this series because they fell flat on their face at
(12:47):
times during that Sri Lankan series. And that does start
with Tom Latham taking over the side lead from the front.
He's done it so many times before. He's a great
player of spin. Tommy Latham. Devin Conway as well. He
had a good score in the final innings against Sri
Lanka hit sixty one in that last innings, but has
been out of form for a little while. For me,
those two really need to stand up and lead from
(13:08):
the front. But also just the Blackaps top order as
a whole. You cannot be leaving it to the bottom
order to get some sort of a score together. If
we'll Young go straight into that number three spot, this
is a real opportunity for him to stake his claim
for a more permanent spot in the side. Obviously just
getting this opportunity because Caine Williamson is out. Otherwise it's
(13:28):
Mark Chapman and for his debut.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Now, nick O, the black Caps Test team moving up
or down at the moment, defel.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Oh, no question, they're moving down. And I kind of
question the captaincy of Tom Bathum too. I mean, yeah,
I think he's an averagely good international player. I don't
think he's a great international player. I think Devin Conway's
got the possibility of being a great player. A lot
of pressure on him right now. We just don't have
any stars. We just don't have three or four guys
(13:57):
that we can say, hey, they're going to get some runs,
they're going to do well, they're going to get some wickets.
There's a really, really difficult position for the Black Aps
right now. And as Nathan said, they're playing in the
hardest place in the world. I actually think it's harder
than Australia. Australia's across the ditch. We know how to
you know, at least we know what we're going to eat,
we know what we're going to drink in the grounds
look almost the same. It's just a bit hotter. But
(14:19):
playing in India. In there in India, I mean, come on,
that's just as hard as it possibly gets. And I
just don't think that we have got the team. And
I think it's all down to the twenty twenty International
game where everyone's looking for those dollars and looking for
that money. I'm a huge, huge Test cricket fan, that's
my game. But at the end of the day, who
are the players? Mark Chapman is going to try and
(14:41):
get us through. Come on, I mean we're in a
difficult situation.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I actually think you're being a bit harsh on Tommy
Latham there. He probably hasn't been in the form he
would have liked lately, but you can't really argue with
thirteen hundreds, twenty nine fifties and an average of just
a tech under forty. He's one of our best ever openers.
Without question for me.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
When he walks down the street, does he a start?
Has he got?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Is he?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Martin Crow? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, But you're looking for you're looking for runs or
are you looking for like a good line in the newspaper.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I'm looking for it. I'm looking for that entertainment what sport.
Sport is entertainment, but this is cricket.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I gotta leave it there.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Hey, you can continue the argument off here, but we've
got to We've got ads to play. Thanks very much.
Nick Mills and Nathan Lemon with our All Star pandel
this morning here on the All Sport Breakfast. Just a
quick text to wrap Hey guys, why don't you guys
grow up? I set my alarm to watch Team New
Zealand and Happy to do it, go to New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
All right, I'll try and grow up this weekend day
six away from nine. Yeah, go on, Nate, take it
on board to sixth away from nine Back to wrap
up next.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yes, let's welcome in our All Star panel for another
Saturday morning. If its Tones all morning, reading our sports
news manning the Sports Test this morning, Nathan Lim, morning
to youon Nate, How are you?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Good morning, Coops and Wold. Thanks, pleasure to be on
with you.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yep. Likewise, make it to have you on boards and
Nick Mills, host of News talksb's Wellington Mornings of course,
longtime owner of the Saints basketball team and the Capital
as well. Morning to you and that you're enjoying the
Wellington sunshine this morning.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I haven't even looked out the door because it's my
sleeping day.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Well there you go. Well I can tell you that
that sunshine awaits Nick, so it'll put a smile on
your face very shortly. Right, let's crack on into it.
I want to start with the America's Cup. I said it
was talking last hour. How I just think Kiwis have
grown sort of more and more disenfranchised with you know,
the previously iconic and fun events that sort of growing,
you know, disconnect with Team New Zealand as well. Nick,
(01:06):
someone outside of Auckland's where do you see your kind
of you know, relationship with the America's Cup and Team
New Zealand at the moment heading into the big racing tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well, I've got to say that when it was an Auckland,
I made a trip up there and I enjoyed it
and I loved it, and I thought it was just
so good for our country. But realistically, since Grant Dalton
made that decision, I've kind of hated on him. Really,
I've got to be I've got to be really honest.
I've really I just don't think he's a real Kiwi
and he's taken it away and he's taken much away
(01:34):
from us. We owned that Cup. It was ours, but
it does not feel right now, and I know it
starts tomorrow morning. It doesn't feel like it's ours anymore.
It feels like he's taken it. He's taken his ball
and gone home.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, Nathan, what do you reckon is the beginning of
the end of our relationship with you know, getting behind
the America's Cup and Team New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
While I've got to be honest, I haven't watched any
any of the racing so far through the tournament. Obviously
any I was qualifying for the actual America's Cup, and
it is hard to see myself really justly staying up
that late to watch it every night. I'm more likely
to catch the highlights in the morning, or if it's
you know, right down to the final couple of races,
maybe I'll stay up for it. But to be honest,
(02:15):
I do feel a lot of disconnect from Team New Zealand.
We've got to remember they're also a private organization. They're
backed by you know, billionaires that they're not like an
officially a New Zealand team. They are private, you know organization.
But look, I mean Grant Dalton will say we couldn't
get it done in Auckland. We didn't have a choice.
But it doesn't help, does it when when actually we're
(02:37):
the champions and we're racing in the middle of the
night and most New Zealanders are not going to see it,
and there's going to be a huge amount of disconnect
I think, from the public to Team New Zealand when
you compare it to the last America's Cup, when we
were able to watch Team New Zealand go around the
off the port of Auckland. So yeah, I definitely feel,
you know, a lot of disconnect from this team. It
doesn't you know, I suppose the names, you know, Berlin
(03:00):
and Chuke really are what keep New Zealand is are
connected to them. To be honest, I think if they win,
I think Berling and Duke undoubtedly become two the New
Zealand's greatest ever sailors, you know, along with the lights
of Sir Peter Blake. But I mean in terms of
the competition as a whole, team New Zealand favored to win,
obviously pretending you yet to beat New Zealand in a
(03:20):
full race. And it'll be really interesting to see how
these next races play out. But again I'm not sure
I'll be watching.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, now, I think I mentioned it to you and
in our office yesterday. What about Team Abu Dhabi. They're
sponsored by Emirates. They've got all this offshore money that's
not coming into New Zealand. Should they be using the
New Zealand brand?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well, they can use whatever brand they want, because as
Nathan said, it's basically you know, private enterprise that own it.
They can do. There's an old saying and sport who's
got the money has to say? And that's definitely the
answer to that question. Realistically, I just don't feel there's
a New Zealand the key. We buzz to it, and
(03:59):
I think it's the thing that we'll just have to
accept and it's a big money, big organization and we're
too small for it.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, I said at last hour, I think it's the
beginning of the end in terms of New Zealander's interest
in the America's Cup and Team New Zealand itself. Right,
Nathan Caen, you get your thoughts on this. I know
this would have been of interest to you. Last night
and in the morning. Marcelo Montoya Warriors given him an
early release from his contract to return to Australia. He
was meant to be here for another year. How much
of a surprise was this and what impact does this
have on the team that's Can I have a bit
(04:27):
of an interesting offseason? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Well, I wouldn't say it was a huge surprise just
for me, because if you look at that side of
the field for the Warriors, we've got Ed Corsi or
Marcello Montour at this point in both of their careers.
They want to be starting for a first grade team,
and Ed Corsey has been kept in reserve grade, so
I did feel that one of them was going to leave.
It'll be, I guess interesting to see how Marcelo goes.
(04:51):
I imagine he'll look to sort of finish his career
at the Bulldoz obviously depending how that goes. But they're
a team on the rise as well, so I'm sure
that Marcello was very keen to get amongst that in
an environment he's familiar with too, having debuted for the
Bulldogs back in twenty seve seen as well, so he's
sort of gone full circle. Really, But I do really
I really like Ed Corsey. I like the way he plays.
(05:13):
He brings a lot of power, a lot of pace
down that left edge for the Warriors. So look, I
think that the Warriors are going to be fine next
year without marcel and Montoya. Again, I think it was
something that was in the pipeline.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Now, given everything else that's happened with the Warriors people
coming and going this offseason, what are your hopes for
next year, especially on the back of this news.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You know where my biggest concern is with league at
the moment is and I think that the Warriors really
there's some real major issue to why the Warriors haven't
performed the way they should and I'm really trying to
put my finger on it. I think it's got something
to do with private enterprise ownership again, and someone that
really doesn't know League that well may think that he does,
(05:57):
but he doesn't owning the team. I just don't have
any real confidence that they are going to be any
better next year than they were last year. But my
biggest concern for League is the fact that they can
get out of contracts. You know, it's the whole way
that this is going Now. Oh for mental health, I
want to go back to my family, want to do this,
want to do that. Really, what's going to happen is
(06:18):
that highest bid is always going to win. And I
think that's a real concern for League at the moment.
And you know, you're going to be doing underhand deals.
There's going to be all this going on, and if
somebody doesn't want to be somewhere, if you got offered
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars more to go and
work somewhere else and you go back to work, you're
never going to be happy. You know, you're never going
(06:40):
to trust them. So I think there's a real issue
that they need to stamp out. In league, generally, you
sign a contract, no matter what you do that contract
or you stand down.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
I'll challenge you there on that. And because we don't
actually know that the circumstances necessarily of this, we just
know that the Warriors have released Marcelo. Presumably he wanted
to go, yes, But I think that you know, you
hear a lot. It gets hyped up a lot, actually
when obviously looking at the Afanil Blake thing when to
go back to Sydney earlier this year. But I think
that is the vast minority. I think the vast majority
(07:12):
of the NRL players will see out their contract and
are held to that. I think you do get to
a point though, where you have the upper echelons of
the players, the in infanel Blakes of the competition that
do have that much more power just given their standing
in the game. But I'd say that's an issue regarding
the minority rather than the majority.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I think it's coming more and more. I think I
definitely know it's happening, So I think it's a problem
that could get a hell of a lot worse.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Indeed, well yeah, uncertainty is the word with that. Will
take a quick break with our All Star panel, Nick Mills,
Nathan Limit with us, but more to get our teeth
into what the hell's going on with Rugby Australia and
the Melbourne Rebels. Can't be good for the game canon
and the Black Caps are only a few days away
from the mammoth task of Tests one in India without
Kane Williamson, how will they get on? We'll discuss that
(08:01):
next here on the All Star Panel on the All
Sport break for sixteen away from nine fourteen and away
from nine here on the All Sport Breakfast. We've got
Nick Mills and Nathan Limb on our All Star panel
this morning. Right this absolute mess with Rugby Australia. They
(08:22):
never out of the headlines, are they. It's a shocking situation.
So the latest is Melbourne Rebels lodging a claim basically
sewing for thirty three million dollars in damages. Obviously the
Rebels finishing up as a super rugby club. Now Rugby
Australia is preparing a legal counterclaim of its own. Nick,
you've had a lifetime involved in sports management. What do
(08:42):
you see is the outcome or any good by all
that's happening here.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Well, the real problem is that no longer do they
have a rugby team in Melbourne. And I think that
he even though that it's not a rugby city and
they've made a huge, huge commitment to making it a
rugby city. It worked for Lee. You know they said
that you could not run a league team in Melbourne. Well,
Melbourne Storm is probably one of the greatest league teams
you know of current history. So I think that they've
(09:10):
been let I think Melbourne have definitely been the rebels
have definitely been let down. And I think that Australia
Rugby should have done more to actually make that carry on.
Maybe they had an organization that wasn't as clever as
they thought they were and as apparently, you know, supposedly
rumored that there's a few lives being put around about
the dollar value of sponsors and money that's going in.
(09:33):
There was some issues there. But the major problem we've
got is we no longer have a rugby team in Melbourne. Now,
for people that are sitting there, who do we why
do we care? We in New Zealand need rugby in
Australia to be a hell of a lot stronger than
it is. We need that for the survival of our
game and the impact and the passion and all the
(09:53):
things that we want rugby to be. We need rugby
to be stronger in Australia and that really is a
major blow and there's fault on both sides, but they
need to sort it out.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, Nate, what do you reckon? I mean, it never
really worked. It that the Rebels they struggled for Wednesday,
struggled for fans in a congested market. There should have
more been done to keep them alive. Do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's hard to say because they're both telling different stories. Obviously,
the Rebels have come out and said that Rugby Australia
didn't fulfill their financial responsibilities in terms of helping them.
I know that Rugby Australia did actually fund their last year,
but the rebels kind that they should have done more.
The Rebels have also said that Rugby Australia was the
quote was like unacceptable and unauthorized spending during last year's
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Rugby World Cup, and then Rugby Australia have come back
and said that actually the Rebels have misrepresented their financial
position in the years prior, and so Rugby Australia didn't
actually have a good understanding of the financial position the
rebels were actually in. In other words, someone's telling Porky's
or they're both just not using money correctly. And I
(10:59):
think this is a really good example of how important
staff to professional sport, the people who go on behind
the scenes, who make decisions about the money, because you
can have people who have never heard of and their
decisions can completely derail a franchise and start what is
effectively a civil war in rugby Australia.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, and that given we've got the New Zealand Rugby
TV rights deal up at the end of next season,
did you fear that, you know, any situation like this
could happen here with some super rugby clubs, given that
they're financial states.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
At the moment, Well, I think that. I think you're
one hundred percent right. I mean, you know, we're both
in the hurricane base and there's you know, you only
have to read ABC and know that there's financial issues there.
I mean, it's a complete financial fiasco all of rugby
at the moment. Who's making MAKESI money out of it, nobody,
So yes, the TV rights are the key to all
(11:51):
of that as we as we all know. So I
think you're going to find that. Mike Guss is telling
me very strongly that the New Zealand Rugby Union is
going to take over the TV rights, I think, and
that will be an absolute game changer for us.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, it will be interesting. They're certainly getting in that
space at the moment. Right to wrap up, guys, we've
got New Zealand with the mammoth task, a new Test
captain with Tom Latham, no Caine Williamson at least for
this first portion of the two but three tests in
India doesn't get much tougher in cricket Nate any chance
of New Zealand's even getting on the board, let alone
a series victory.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
I give them a one and ten chance of winning
this first Test. Look, it's really there's no tougher place
to play in the world other than maybe in Australia.
Against Australia, this Indian team is extremely strong in the
brack Caps are not in good form for me. The
top order batting order really needs to step up in
this series because they fell flat on their face at
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times during that Sri Lankan series. And that does start
with Tom Latham taking over the side lead from the front.
He's done it so many times before. He's a great
player of spin. Tommy Latham. Devin Conway as well. He
had a good score in the final innings against Sri
Lanka hit sixty one in that last innings, but has
been out of form for a little while. For me,
those two really need to stand up and lead from
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the front. But also just the Blackaps top order as
a whole. You cannot be leaving it to the bottom
order to get some sort of a score together. If
we'll Young go straight into that number three spot, this
is a real opportunity for him to stake his claim
for a more permanent spot in the side. Obviously just
getting this opportunity because Caine Williamson is out. Otherwise it's
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Mark Chapman and for his debut.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Now, nick O, the black Caps Test team moving up
or down at the moment, defel.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Oh, no question, they're moving down. And I kind of
question the captaincy of Tom Bathum too. I mean, yeah,
I think he's an averagely good international player. I don't
think he's a great international player. I think Devin Conway's
got the possibility of being a great player. A lot
of pressure on him right now. We just don't have
any stars. We just don't have three or four guys
(13:57):
that we can say, hey, they're going to get some runs,
they're going to do well, they're going to get some wickets.
There's a really, really difficult position for the Black Aps
right now. And as Nathan said, they're playing in the
hardest place in the world. I actually think it's harder
than Australia. Australia's across the ditch. We know how to
you know, at least we know what we're going to eat,
we know what we're going to drink in the grounds
look almost the same. It's just a bit hotter. But
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playing in India. In there in India, I mean, come on,
that's just as hard as it possibly gets. And I
just don't think that we have got the team. And
I think it's all down to the twenty twenty International
game where everyone's looking for those dollars and looking for
that money. I'm a huge, huge Test cricket fan, that's
my game. But at the end of the day, who
are the players? Mark Chapman is going to try and
(14:41):
get us through. Come on, I mean we're in a
difficult situation.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I actually think you're being a bit harsh on Tommy
Latham there. He probably hasn't been in the form he
would have liked lately, but you can't really argue with
thirteen hundreds, twenty nine fifties and an average of just
a tech under forty. He's one of our best ever openers.
Without question for me.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
When he walks down the street, does he a start?
Has he got?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Is he?
Speaker 4 (15:03):
Martin Crow? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Yeah, But you're looking for you're looking for runs or
are you looking for like a good line in the newspaper.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I'm looking for it. I'm looking for that entertainment what sport.
Sport is entertainment, but this is cricket.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I gotta leave it there.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Hey, you can continue the argument off here, but we've
got to We've got ads to play. Thanks very much.
Nick Mills and Nathan Lemon with our All Star pandel
this morning here on the All Sport Breakfast. Just a
quick text to wrap Hey guys, why don't you guys
grow up? I set my alarm to watch Team New
Zealand and Happy to do it, go to New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
All right, I'll try and grow up this weekend day
six away from nine. Yeah, go on, Nate, take it
on board to sixth away from nine Back to wrap
up next.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
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