November 8, 2024 • 7 mins
The sleepless nights following last year’s World Cup quarter-final defeat are spurring on Ireland ahead of this morning’s rematch against the All Blacks in Dublin.
The 28-24 defeat in Paris was the last time the two sides met, and continued Ireland’s record of having never advanced past the last eight at a World Cup.
Flanker Tadhg Beirne says he often thinks about what they could have done differently.
Irish rugby writer Cian Tracey joined D'Arcy Waldegrave to preview the clash.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Dancy
Wildegrave from News Talk SIB.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Let's get to Ireland and now as we're wedding, the
All Becks taking on Ireland, possibly the most keenly anticipated
clash in world rugby and at least a year rugby
right for the Irish Independent Ken Tracy joins us. Now,
welcome to the show, sit the same, Ken. How is
it right now? It must be amazing, idea, The energy
must be huge.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, absolutely, Dublin is absolutely buzzing. Let me tell you
it's a real novelty for us over here to have
a big test game, or any test game at all,
really on a Friday night as it is here. Lots
of the club rugby will be played on Fridays, okay,
but Six Nations games and November Internationals are pretty much
always on Saturday afternoons or Saturday evenings. So you add
(00:54):
the All Blacks coming to town into that. I think
the pubs of the busy, since people have been finished
work earlier this evening, and it really couldn't be better
set up. I know, just before kickoff your listeners will
be able to see there's a big light show planned
for TVIVA Stadium, which should look pretty cool. And obviously
the hack is always an amazing spectacle, so I'd imagine
everyone will be in their seats night and early. It
(01:16):
really is the hottest ticket in town. You just cannot
get your hands on one whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Pretty cool of you guys to drag the game forward
twenty four hours. He trying to trip us up on
the way there are. That's a main trick mat just like.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You guys in twenty twenty two when he opted to
play the first Test in Eden Park. Anything at all
to get any sort of advantage, so you'll look to
take it. But it's, like I said, it just couldn't
be better set up. You look at the rivalry, how
it's built over the last kind of decade. Really, I
suppose it's it's been amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, it's what Internese to rightbeing needs and it's so
interesting can because it is relatively new since the ARS
tipped us Soldier Field, it's kind of gone one back
and forth right the way through. There's not a lot
between these two teams. Why is that with Anan? What's
lifted them in the last five, six, seven years.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, like the mere side of the All Blacks Jersey
used to just strike absolute theory, I suppose into nations
all around the world, but particularly Ireland. The amount of
heavy defeats that you guys have put on us down
through the years has been incredible, and you're right. In
twenty sixteen in Chicago, Ireland got their first victory and
you know it was on neutral ground, and a couple
of weeks later the All Blacks came to Dublin and
(02:28):
I sort of put Ireland in their place and Ireland
won a game. Then a couple of years later, but
I think the real proper turning point, and I mentioned
that they're new touching, it was in twenty twenty two
on the Summer tour, as it would have been for us.
I was actually down there my first time getting the
chance to visit your beautiful country, and what a month
it was. And you know, Ireland lost that first Test
(02:49):
in Eden Park, but came back to winning done Eden
and obviously then won the Test Series Desider in Wellington
a week later, So that to me was the big
turning point to go down to New Zealand and win
a Test Series. I think they really poked the bear
and look, we all saw what happened in Paris last year,
when the All Blacks again put Ireland in their place,
arguably when it mattered most in the World Cup quarterfinal,
(03:12):
and considering four years earlier in Japan, another game that
I was at, the All Blacks also beat Ireland in
the quarterfinals. So look, the rivalry has been brilliant. But
I think you could say the most important games New
Zealand have won. And I think even if Ireland are
to get what would only be a sixth victory over
the All Blacks tonight, I don't think that will make
(03:32):
up for the pain of losing last year's World Cup quarterfinal.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You've been dragging the cups of that defeat around since
the World Cap. You kind of bet to carry it
through the eighteen minutes, okay, I'd suggest the pressure would
be almost suffocating amongst the Irish crowd and the Irish
players ahead of this match. That's a that's a lot
to carry ken.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I think that's more in the supporters though, rather
than the players. Ireland won the Six Nations earlier this year,
which was like it was just the ideal way I
think to turn the page from the World Cup. So
Ireland already have silverware this year. They went down to
South Africa in July. They lost the first Test, but
they won the second Test in Durban, So I definitely
don't think there's any sense of hangover from Andy Farrell,
(04:17):
the head coach or any of the Ireland players. But
you think back to those scenes in Paris at the
stat of France this time last year, and I was again,
I was there. Most of the stadium was full of
Irish fans and the hurt that had the All Blacks
cause isn't isn't easily forgotten, but it would be pretty
sweet if they were to get one over again tonight.
(04:37):
The supporters would certainly be happy. But like I said,
it doesn't make up for losing last year because that
was probably the best prepared Ireland team ever going into
a World Cup and the All Blacks just delivered a
performance for the ages. You'd have to say in what
is still I don't think that game in terms of
spectacle will will be talked really for a while. It
was absolutely phenomenal, So hopefully we get more of the
(04:58):
same tonight, well.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I hope. So with where have the Irish got an advantage?
In your eyes? Where do you think they can't. Actually, well, I.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Suppose you look at the All Blacks are obviously going
through a bit of a transition on the Razor Robertson
and look at their showing signs that they are starting
to click. If you compare that to Ireland that they're
a very well oil machine under Andy Farrell. They've been
together a lot. You even look at their team selection
for tonight, a lot of the younger guys have been
left out, particularly on the bench. They've gone back to
(05:28):
experience people like Kean Healey, Ian Henderson, Peter o'm Matty,
guys that are in the autumn of their careers. You
could say, but it gives you a little insight into
the mindset of Andy Farrell, the head coach, because look,
the time for developing players I think can probably happen
later this month, but when the All Blacks are coming
to town, you really want to get one over on them.
So I think that would be the area where Ireland
(05:49):
will be looking to capitalize on their cohesion, how much
they know each other. Obviously, the All Blacks are away
from home. They've played in England last week and they
were in Japan the week before. Now you could argue
that the All Blacks will be more battle hardened, but
I think Ireland will back themselves to be fresher coming
into this game.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
In the big threats from New Zealand, where did I.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Say, Well, Look, Ireland are missing their first choice hooker
in tight head and tight head Tiger Furlong was a
big shot this week when the teams were named. Look,
the Irish scrum has been under pressure for a while.
It was under pressure from the All Blacks in the
quarterfinal last year. So if you take out those two players,
I think the Irish scrum is going to be under
(06:29):
a lot of pressure. Now. I know New Zealander missing
Cody Taylor and eating the groove, but that is still
a mean pack that they've named. Nick Berry is going
to be the referee. He's obviously Australian. The keywis would
be used to his officiating. So I think the scrum
is going to be really where this game is won
and lost. And I think all eyes will be on
that first engagement because if New Zealander a have to
(06:50):
squeeze a penalty out of that, I think it could
set the tone both for the game and in terms
of the referees interpretation of the scrub.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
One for the Ages. I'm so jealous, I wish I
was either the I'm glad a lot of my compike
Trits and Crew and Kean Tracy with Thank you very
much for providing some context to this match, Rugby writer
for the Irish Independent. You have a cracking time, my friend.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Thanks a los enjoy the game. Ges.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
For more from the Your Sport Breakfast with Darcy Watergrave,
listen live to News Talk set be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Dancy
Wildegrave from News Talk SIB.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Let's get to Ireland and now as we're wedding, the
All Becks taking on Ireland, possibly the most keenly anticipated
clash in world rugby and at least a year rugby
right for the Irish Independent Ken Tracy joins us. Now,
welcome to the show, sit the same, Ken. How is
it right now? It must be amazing, idea, The energy
must be huge.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, absolutely, Dublin is absolutely buzzing. Let me tell you
it's a real novelty for us over here to have
a big test game, or any test game at all,
really on a Friday night as it is here. Lots
of the club rugby will be played on Fridays, okay,
but Six Nations games and November Internationals are pretty much
always on Saturday afternoons or Saturday evenings. So you add
(00:54):
the All Blacks coming to town into that. I think
the pubs of the busy, since people have been finished
work earlier this evening, and it really couldn't be better
set up. I know, just before kickoff your listeners will
be able to see there's a big light show planned
for TVIVA Stadium, which should look pretty cool. And obviously
the hack is always an amazing spectacle, so I'd imagine
everyone will be in their seats night and early. It
(01:16):
really is the hottest ticket in town. You just cannot
get your hands on one whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Pretty cool of you guys to drag the game forward
twenty four hours. He trying to trip us up on
the way there are. That's a main trick mat just like.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
You guys in twenty twenty two when he opted to
play the first Test in Eden Park. Anything at all
to get any sort of advantage, so you'll look to
take it. But it's, like I said, it just couldn't
be better set up. You look at the rivalry, how
it's built over the last kind of decade. Really, I
suppose it's it's been amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, it's what Internese to rightbeing needs and it's so
interesting can because it is relatively new since the ARS
tipped us Soldier Field, it's kind of gone one back
and forth right the way through. There's not a lot
between these two teams. Why is that with Anan? What's
lifted them in the last five, six, seven years.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, like the mere side of the All Blacks Jersey
used to just strike absolute theory, I suppose into nations
all around the world, but particularly Ireland. The amount of
heavy defeats that you guys have put on us down
through the years has been incredible, and you're right. In
twenty sixteen in Chicago, Ireland got their first victory and
you know it was on neutral ground, and a couple
of weeks later the All Blacks came to Dublin and
(02:28):
I sort of put Ireland in their place and Ireland
won a game. Then a couple of years later, but
I think the real proper turning point, and I mentioned
that they're new touching, it was in twenty twenty two
on the Summer tour, as it would have been for us.
I was actually down there my first time getting the
chance to visit your beautiful country, and what a month
it was. And you know, Ireland lost that first Test
(02:49):
in Eden Park, but came back to winning done Eden
and obviously then won the Test Series Desider in Wellington
a week later, So that to me was the big
turning point to go down to New Zealand and win
a Test Series. I think they really poked the bear
and look, we all saw what happened in Paris last year,
when the All Blacks again put Ireland in their place,
arguably when it mattered most in the World Cup quarterfinal,
(03:12):
and considering four years earlier in Japan, another game that
I was at, the All Blacks also beat Ireland in
the quarterfinals. So look, the rivalry has been brilliant. But
I think you could say the most important games New
Zealand have won. And I think even if Ireland are
to get what would only be a sixth victory over
the All Blacks tonight, I don't think that will make
(03:32):
up for the pain of losing last year's World Cup quarterfinal.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You've been dragging the cups of that defeat around since
the World Cap. You kind of bet to carry it
through the eighteen minutes, okay, I'd suggest the pressure would
be almost suffocating amongst the Irish crowd and the Irish
players ahead of this match. That's a that's a lot
to carry ken.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I think that's more in the supporters though, rather
than the players. Ireland won the Six Nations earlier this year,
which was like it was just the ideal way I
think to turn the page from the World Cup. So
Ireland already have silverware this year. They went down to
South Africa in July. They lost the first Test, but
they won the second Test in Durban, So I definitely
don't think there's any sense of hangover from Andy Farrell,
(04:17):
the head coach or any of the Ireland players. But
you think back to those scenes in Paris at the
stat of France this time last year, and I was again,
I was there. Most of the stadium was full of
Irish fans and the hurt that had the All Blacks
cause isn't isn't easily forgotten, but it would be pretty
sweet if they were to get one over again tonight.
(04:37):
The supporters would certainly be happy. But like I said,
it doesn't make up for losing last year because that
was probably the best prepared Ireland team ever going into
a World Cup and the All Blacks just delivered a
performance for the ages. You'd have to say in what
is still I don't think that game in terms of
spectacle will will be talked really for a while. It
was absolutely phenomenal, So hopefully we get more of the
(04:58):
same tonight, well.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I hope. So with where have the Irish got an advantage?
In your eyes? Where do you think they can't. Actually, well, I.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Suppose you look at the All Blacks are obviously going
through a bit of a transition on the Razor Robertson
and look at their showing signs that they are starting
to click. If you compare that to Ireland that they're
a very well oil machine under Andy Farrell. They've been
together a lot. You even look at their team selection
for tonight, a lot of the younger guys have been
left out, particularly on the bench. They've gone back to
(05:28):
experience people like Kean Healey, Ian Henderson, Peter o'm Matty,
guys that are in the autumn of their careers. You
could say, but it gives you a little insight into
the mindset of Andy Farrell, the head coach, because look,
the time for developing players I think can probably happen
later this month, but when the All Blacks are coming
to town, you really want to get one over on them.
So I think that would be the area where Ireland
(05:49):
will be looking to capitalize on their cohesion, how much
they know each other. Obviously, the All Blacks are away
from home. They've played in England last week and they
were in Japan the week before. Now you could argue
that the All Blacks will be more battle hardened, but
I think Ireland will back themselves to be fresher coming
into this game.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
In the big threats from New Zealand, where did I.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Say, Well, Look, Ireland are missing their first choice hooker
in tight head and tight head Tiger Furlong was a
big shot this week when the teams were named. Look,
the Irish scrum has been under pressure for a while.
It was under pressure from the All Blacks in the
quarterfinal last year. So if you take out those two players,
I think the Irish scrum is going to be under
(06:29):
a lot of pressure. Now. I know New Zealander missing
Cody Taylor and eating the groove, but that is still
a mean pack that they've named. Nick Berry is going
to be the referee. He's obviously Australian. The keywis would
be used to his officiating. So I think the scrum
is going to be really where this game is won
and lost. And I think all eyes will be on
that first engagement because if New Zealander a have to
(06:50):
squeeze a penalty out of that, I think it could
set the tone both for the game and in terms
of the referees interpretation of the scrub.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
One for the Ages. I'm so jealous, I wish I
was either the I'm glad a lot of my compike
Trits and Crew and Kean Tracy with Thank you very
much for providing some context to this match, Rugby writer
for the Irish Independent. You have a cracking time, my friend.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Thanks a los enjoy the game. Ges.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
For more from the Your Sport Breakfast with Darcy Watergrave,
listen live to News Talk set be on Saturday mornings,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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