The latest edition of 'The All-Star Panel' features Rugby Commentator Paul Allison and Herald Rugby writer Phil Gifford.
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Is the Mana Pasifika idea any good, New Zealand sevens teams will still be branding INEOS in Vancouver despite legal row, and TVNZ picks up LIV golf - do you have an issue with it?
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from News talks'b All Sports Breakfast, All Star.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Panal and here are our All Star panel, none of
them in Gifford and Elisia.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Paul, how are you well?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I'm not quite so as good as what I was
at about nine to thirty last night. Run out of tissues, actually,
Darcy with the Hilders getting beaten like they were at
the last last play of the.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Game, and on the other side of the coin fill,
he's probably still smiling.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Yeah, I'm good as gold does. Sorry, Paul, Yeah, I
mean I I yeah, it was. It was definitely a heartbreaker,
and I thought the harland is, considering how many you
guys have gotten the team, were fantastic. But yeah, god damn,
how on earth did the tars manage to sneak that one?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I don't know. It all goes well though further season.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Let's say it carries on when the Chiefs and the
Blues play, because that's exciting. That's what you wanted me
super Rugby. Away from that, let's say I moved to
a couple of the big topics of the week. Yet
another NRL expansion bid, this time from Auckland, not from
christ Church Mana pacifica Phil. Is this a good idea?
(01:20):
Does this have legs? Is this possible? Or is this
just another consortium dream?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Well, first of all, can I say I'm sure there's
more than enough talent to fill the team and make
the team very, very competitive.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Does it have legs? The thing is.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
There's a great reluctance, as we've seen a huge reluctance
with the people running the NRL and NAUSI to allow
For example, there's been mutterings about a team in the
South Hald for Ages and there's peers from the outside.
It looks like there's been very little encouragement for that
from the NRL, and so my feeling would be, I
(01:59):
actually do think it's not a bad idea at all,
But do I think it will get off the ground?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
I would not. Raiders chances hugely highly.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And I'd expect Pauorly be in a similar camp with
that one, unless, of course, ForSight Bar are looking at
putting an l expansion team on.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Well.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I heard about this last week about the Auckland potential expansion,
and I thought it was April fall stay to be fair,
because to me, yes it's the biggest city, Yes there's
a hotbed of rugby league. But we've got to be
careful in New Zealand because we've got four different consortiums
putting their hand up to say, hey, we're keen on
(02:37):
getting this and if we're not careful, we need to
organize ourselves.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I think a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
The christ Church bid that Sir Graham Lowe has headed
looks pretty strong on paper. They talk about three hundred
and sixty million. A lot of it's about money. They've
got an international airport in christ Church, it gives that
geographical distance and the fact that you know he's got
Andrew Chalmers the businessman behind him, and it's back by
private equity investors makes a bit of sense to me.
(03:02):
And I think the NRL have said yes we want
twenty teams by twenty png we know is going to
come in at twenty twenty eight, and again that's about money.
Six hundred million being invested by the Australian government pers
likely to be another serious consideration, and then New Zealand's
possibly could be that twentieth team. But if we don't
(03:22):
get our act together and we start splitting the atom.
I think we're going to have all sorts of weakened
proposals going up. So I think we need to get
together as a country and try and get one proposal
that's strong, united and actually gives us a real chance
of having a second team, because I think there is
a real appetite for a second team from New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, and thoughts and prayers that Peter Velandi's actually answers
his phone and that's a bigger problem that they've got.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Phil Moving on to the SEVENS.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Teams that they're branding with Anios over in Vancouver, even
though they refuse to pay their bill. Now, someone suggested
to me last night they could turn their uniforms inside
out and play that way. They could use duct tape
and cover them. They could set fire to the I
don't know what they do.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
What do they do with this? They what happens now?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Well, I gather what my impression is what they're going
to do is just play with the dreaded any else
name on it, even though they're being jerked by the
guy that owns the company. Look, the thing is, it
feels to be blunt, slightly enter our. They sort of
knew that they were in comfort, did they not? Did
they really expect Jim Radcliffe to just go, oh gosh,
(04:31):
I'm sorry, boys, all right, I'll pay you up everything
that I owe and I'll back away and see you later.
He has the money, have a lovely time. Of course,
of course he was never going to the guys about
his penny pinching. A moneyman and business person as you
could ever ever ever strike. So I think to me,
they might as well just wear the gear with it
(04:53):
with the thing on it, because is it the end
of the earth?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Is it weird? Yeah, certainly it's weird, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I just just go ahead and and perabs in a
tiny way which won't effect ratclip at all, but in
the tiny way, particularly if the women's team show them
what he's missing out sponsoring.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, Paul, so it's an interesting tale. And I had
sigurd and tests on last night, and he worked for
a supply Company's surprised they actually can't get something up
and done in a couple of days and send it
over there. But the point he made was the mental
interruption for the athletes having this hanging over them, even
though they shouldn't connect with it. It shouldn't bother them. It'll
(05:36):
be in the back of their minds and that's the
last thing I need.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Right Well, it probably is, but I'm not sure how
much in the back of their mind it really is.
And I don't think it's as big a deal as
what some people are making it out to be. I
think the sponsorship is because you know, the good old days,
Phil remember this, you could get the nugget you never
talked about the nugget and get the old black nugget
and rub it out if you needed to. But I
actually think it's probably not a bad pr exercise. New
Zealand's Rugby's going to go to court and this is
(06:00):
going to be fought out in the court rooms, and
it's going to be about to have people actually renegged
on a sponsorship deal in any way, And so as
a good will gesture, it's not a bad thing to say, hey,
we've done everything we can for this six year deal.
You've got a six year deal with fourteen million dollars
New Zealand a year, and we're honoring it. From air
point of view, and the fact that that actually possibly
(06:20):
gives them even more weight, I mean it Fiel's right.
I mean, Jim Redcliff's got very deep pockets, and he's
got investments all around the place with Manchester United, and
he's terminated the America's Cup one, but he's still got
Massadi's and the Formula one in cycling and the like,
so he's got deep pockets. They're in for a big fight,
but I think New Zealand Rugby wouldn't have taken them
on unless they feel they've got very solid ground. And
(06:41):
I don't think this weekens their case in any way
by playing in their gear this weekend and okay, when
they come to Hong Kong, they'll have no any use
on the front of the jerseys. But I don't think
it's a big deal, to be fair, and I think
it's probably strengthened New Zealand's rugby case when they go
to court.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm just an extremely petty human being. And you say
Radclff's got deep pockets, He's got millions of coats with
several pockets exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
We'll leave it at for the second back shortly.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Phil Gifford, Paul Allison all Star panel talking the big
sports stories of the week.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Live Golf TV and Z Should they be indulging in that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
We'll find out from panels next Dow on New Still
ZB eight forty four. We sa panel Paul Elson, Phil
Gifford and we get things running with it Phil Gifford
for the here and the Now Phil Live Golf Tour
on TV in z do we need to get over
(07:42):
the fact that Saudi Arabia have won sport and just
carry on.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Because there's no important fighting against. It's not the tide.
It's a tidal wave, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I mean as it's that famous Bob Dylan line that
money doesn't talk at swears, and I think live golf
is the perfect example of that. I mean, watching Greek
Norman grovel in Saudi Arabia when you started this thing
out me want to throw up to you, perfectly honest.
But you know, if you're a golfer, and while golfers
(08:14):
have a longer career than save people in combative sports, obviously,
but if you're a golfer and you've got what I
considered to be incredibly dirty money from Saudi Arabia, I mean, God,
these are the people who treat the dissident journalists by
taking him into one of their embassies torturing him and
then dismembering him, and it was acknowledged that the people now,
(08:36):
the people that led Saudi Arabia, knew that was going to.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Be going on. That's the people we're dealing with here.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
But on the other hand, if you live golfer and
you've got a chance to set you and your family
up for life.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Then if you want to take the money, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's called bone saw diplomacy, Paul Allison. Everybody has a price,
and this is it underlined.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean, if you're questioning TV and Z plus's
decision to take coverage of it, I watched a bit
of it yesterday. Didn't think it was too bad, and
it's you know, the idea of live.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Golf isn't bad.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
It's that sort of speed it up game, the three
day events, you know, the shotgun starts, no cuts in
the fifty four whole format. I actually think that's kind
of good. I actually think it's not too dissimilar if we,
you know, wind the clock back almost fifty idd years
when Kerry Packer set up the World Series Cricket and
that sort of split the world of professional cricket at
that stage. But in the end, it actually dramatically changed
(09:33):
the whole sporting commercial landscape. So this is this is
you know, history repeating itself to a similar situation in
a different sport. And yes, you can talk about the
moral grounds about Saudi Arabia and the like, but if
you look at actually just at the product and what
it's trying to produce as a viewership and as an
entertainment spectacle, I think it's got some legs.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You can separate them. I was going to make a
really bad joke about missing Limba's there.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
It's just very quickly.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I was going to say, I would rather clock back
even more nineteen thirty six Berlin Olympics when the IA
I see you go the games.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
To Nazi Germany.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
And that's how I feel about Saudi Arabia in sport.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Right, let's move on to the next subjects. It's probably safest.
Warren Gatland finally left Wales Philly. Didn't have a choice,
did he?
Speaker 6 (10:20):
No?
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Not really, But I would actually applaud the fact that,
if the stories are correct, and I hope they are,
that he didn't try and squeeze a golden handshake from them,
And I think that's pretty impressive. Because I mean they
don't get me wrong, Warren Gatland has been paid very
very handsomely by Wales now on the second occasion.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
But no, it didn't have a choice.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I mean, when you've lost fourteen Test matches in a row,
and while patently that's not all Warren Gatland's fault, by
the length of State Hillway one, there's huge problems inside.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Well.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I'd be to the point where the players at various
times have men's threatening strikes and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
But in the end, when you've lost fourteen in.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
A row, then bowing out gracefully is the least you
can do.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And Paul Allison what they say that even when you're
lying in the gussy you can still look at the stars.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It's not all over.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
There's a way up, get a fresh coach, You've got
your new young staff. See this as an opportunity. And
the fact they did it in the first place and re
employed Warren Gatland, to me was unbelievable anyway, So they've
got to see this as being a fresh way forward surely.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I mean he's had a fantastic coaching career, particularly early on.
He's had heaps of ups and downs. But with that
first tenure for Wales, I think he coached them for
something like one hundred and fifty six test matches and
one fifty percent of them. This time, he hasn't had
a win since October twenty three and he's lost to
fourteen in a row, six wins out of twenty seven.
He's had a fifty percent win loss record with the
(11:49):
British Lions, and then in recent times, as we know,
he had that wretched season with the Chiefs where they
never won a game. But overall he's been a fantastic coach.
But you sort of feel like in the last four
or five years his coaching career record has just tailored off.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
And I don't think they had any other choice.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And if he can leave on solid ground and hold
his head high, that's fine, But I'm not sure what
will be next for him, and maybe Wales just have
to start with a clean chevas and start all over
again and rebuild.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
A couple of quick rap questions Artie Savia, is he
going to be the saving grace of Moinea Possifka?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
How well is he going to go tonight?
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Phil? He'll go fantastically dark, good as gold and Paul.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Do you think it's the same thing.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
He's going to inspire the team, but they've got a
tough challenge in front of them. But yes, he will
be a huge acquisition for them and he'll be hugely inspirational.
Whether he can turn the team around and get them
into the top six, I think will be a big ask.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And on that we'll let you guys get on with
your weekends.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thanks so much for your time, your expertise, your experience,
your love, your work. Yeah, everything good on you guys.
Eight and a half minutes to nine. Jason Pine Is
that's okay. We have already made replacement an Elliott Smith.
He joins us next to give you Weekend Sport twelve
(13:07):
at midday three to three o'clock today and tomorrow's The
News Talks EB Wine up to Next.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Panal and here are our All Star panel, none of
them in Gifford and Elisia.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Paul, how are you well?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
I'm not quite so as good as what I was
at about nine to thirty last night. Run out of tissues, actually,
Darcy with the Hilders getting beaten like they were at
the last last play of the.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Game, and on the other side of the coin fill,
he's probably still smiling.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Yeah, I'm good as gold does. Sorry, Paul, Yeah, I
mean I I yeah, it was. It was definitely a heartbreaker,
and I thought the harland is, considering how many you
guys have gotten the team, were fantastic. But yeah, god damn,
how on earth did the tars manage to sneak that one?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I don't know. It all goes well though further season.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Let's say it carries on when the Chiefs and the
Blues play, because that's exciting. That's what you wanted me
super Rugby. Away from that, let's say I moved to
a couple of the big topics of the week. Yet
another NRL expansion bid, this time from Auckland, not from
christ Church Mana pacifica Phil. Is this a good idea?
(01:20):
Does this have legs? Is this possible? Or is this
just another consortium dream?
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Well, first of all, can I say I'm sure there's
more than enough talent to fill the team and make
the team very, very competitive.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
Does it have legs? The thing is.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
There's a great reluctance, as we've seen a huge reluctance
with the people running the NRL and NAUSI to allow
For example, there's been mutterings about a team in the
South Hald for Ages and there's peers from the outside.
It looks like there's been very little encouragement for that
from the NRL, and so my feeling would be, I
(01:59):
actually do think it's not a bad idea at all,
But do I think it will get off the ground?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
I would not. Raiders chances hugely highly.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And I'd expect Pauorly be in a similar camp with
that one, unless, of course, ForSight Bar are looking at
putting an l expansion team on.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Well.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
I heard about this last week about the Auckland potential expansion,
and I thought it was April fall stay to be fair,
because to me, yes it's the biggest city, Yes there's
a hotbed of rugby league. But we've got to be
careful in New Zealand because we've got four different consortiums
putting their hand up to say, hey, we're keen on
(02:37):
getting this and if we're not careful, we need to
organize ourselves.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
I think a little bit better.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
The christ Church bid that Sir Graham Lowe has headed
looks pretty strong on paper. They talk about three hundred
and sixty million. A lot of it's about money. They've
got an international airport in christ Church, it gives that
geographical distance and the fact that you know he's got
Andrew Chalmers the businessman behind him, and it's back by
private equity investors makes a bit of sense to me.
(03:02):
And I think the NRL have said yes we want
twenty teams by twenty png we know is going to
come in at twenty twenty eight, and again that's about money.
Six hundred million being invested by the Australian government pers
likely to be another serious consideration, and then New Zealand's
possibly could be that twentieth team. But if we don't
(03:22):
get our act together and we start splitting the atom.
I think we're going to have all sorts of weakened
proposals going up. So I think we need to get
together as a country and try and get one proposal
that's strong, united and actually gives us a real chance
of having a second team, because I think there is
a real appetite for a second team from New Zealand.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, and thoughts and prayers that Peter Velandi's actually answers
his phone and that's a bigger problem that they've got.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Phil Moving on to the SEVENS.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Teams that they're branding with Anios over in Vancouver, even
though they refuse to pay their bill. Now, someone suggested
to me last night they could turn their uniforms inside
out and play that way. They could use duct tape
and cover them. They could set fire to the I
don't know what they do.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
What do they do with this? They what happens now?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Well, I gather what my impression is what they're going
to do is just play with the dreaded any else
name on it, even though they're being jerked by the
guy that owns the company. Look, the thing is, it
feels to be blunt, slightly enter our. They sort of
knew that they were in comfort, did they not? Did
they really expect Jim Radcliffe to just go, oh gosh,
(04:31):
I'm sorry, boys, all right, I'll pay you up everything
that I owe and I'll back away and see you later.
He has the money, have a lovely time. Of course,
of course he was never going to the guys about
his penny pinching. A moneyman and business person as you
could ever ever ever strike. So I think to me,
they might as well just wear the gear with it
(04:53):
with the thing on it, because is it the end
of the earth?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Is it weird? Yeah, certainly it's weird, but it is
what it is.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
I just just go ahead and and perabs in a
tiny way which won't effect ratclip at all, but in
the tiny way, particularly if the women's team show them
what he's missing out sponsoring.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, Paul, so it's an interesting tale. And I had
sigurd and tests on last night, and he worked for
a supply Company's surprised they actually can't get something up
and done in a couple of days and send it
over there. But the point he made was the mental
interruption for the athletes having this hanging over them, even
though they shouldn't connect with it. It shouldn't bother them. It'll
(05:36):
be in the back of their minds and that's the
last thing I need.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Right Well, it probably is, but I'm not sure how
much in the back of their mind it really is.
And I don't think it's as big a deal as
what some people are making it out to be. I
think the sponsorship is because you know, the good old days,
Phil remember this, you could get the nugget you never
talked about the nugget and get the old black nugget
and rub it out if you needed to. But I
actually think it's probably not a bad pr exercise. New
Zealand's Rugby's going to go to court and this is
(06:00):
going to be fought out in the court rooms, and
it's going to be about to have people actually renegged
on a sponsorship deal in any way, And so as
a good will gesture, it's not a bad thing to say, hey,
we've done everything we can for this six year deal.
You've got a six year deal with fourteen million dollars
New Zealand a year, and we're honoring it. From air
point of view, and the fact that that actually possibly
(06:20):
gives them even more weight, I mean it Fiel's right.
I mean, Jim Redcliff's got very deep pockets, and he's
got investments all around the place with Manchester United, and
he's terminated the America's Cup one, but he's still got
Massadi's and the Formula one in cycling and the like,
so he's got deep pockets. They're in for a big fight,
but I think New Zealand Rugby wouldn't have taken them
on unless they feel they've got very solid ground. And
(06:41):
I don't think this weekens their case in any way
by playing in their gear this weekend and okay, when
they come to Hong Kong, they'll have no any use
on the front of the jerseys. But I don't think
it's a big deal, to be fair, and I think
it's probably strengthened New Zealand's rugby case when they go
to court.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I'm just an extremely petty human being. And you say
Radclff's got deep pockets, He's got millions of coats with
several pockets exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
We'll leave it at for the second back shortly.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Phil Gifford, Paul Allison all Star panel talking the big
sports stories of the week.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Live Golf TV and Z Should they be indulging in that.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
We'll find out from panels next Dow on New Still
ZB eight forty four. We sa panel Paul Elson, Phil
Gifford and we get things running with it Phil Gifford
for the here and the Now Phil Live Golf Tour
on TV in z do we need to get over
(07:42):
the fact that Saudi Arabia have won sport and just
carry on.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Because there's no important fighting against. It's not the tide.
It's a tidal wave, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I mean as it's that famous Bob Dylan line that
money doesn't talk at swears, and I think live golf
is the perfect example of that. I mean, watching Greek
Norman grovel in Saudi Arabia when you started this thing
out me want to throw up to you, perfectly honest.
But you know, if you're a golfer, and while golfers
(08:14):
have a longer career than save people in combative sports, obviously,
but if you're a golfer and you've got what I
considered to be incredibly dirty money from Saudi Arabia, I mean, God,
these are the people who treat the dissident journalists by
taking him into one of their embassies torturing him and
then dismembering him, and it was acknowledged that the people now,
(08:36):
the people that led Saudi Arabia, knew that was going to.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
Be going on. That's the people we're dealing with here.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
But on the other hand, if you live golfer and
you've got a chance to set you and your family
up for life.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Then if you want to take the money, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's called bone saw diplomacy, Paul Allison. Everybody has a price,
and this is it underlined.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, I mean, if you're questioning TV and Z plus's
decision to take coverage of it, I watched a bit
of it yesterday. Didn't think it was too bad, and
it's you know, the idea of live.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
Golf isn't bad.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
It's that sort of speed it up game, the three
day events, you know, the shotgun starts, no cuts in
the fifty four whole format. I actually think that's kind
of good. I actually think it's not too dissimilar if we,
you know, wind the clock back almost fifty idd years
when Kerry Packer set up the World Series Cricket and
that sort of split the world of professional cricket at
that stage. But in the end, it actually dramatically changed
(09:33):
the whole sporting commercial landscape. So this is this is
you know, history repeating itself to a similar situation in
a different sport. And yes, you can talk about the
moral grounds about Saudi Arabia and the like, but if
you look at actually just at the product and what
it's trying to produce as a viewership and as an
entertainment spectacle, I think it's got some legs.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You can separate them. I was going to make a
really bad joke about missing Limba's there.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
It's just very quickly.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
I was going to say, I would rather clock back
even more nineteen thirty six Berlin Olympics when the IA
I see you go the games.
Speaker 6 (10:07):
To Nazi Germany.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
And that's how I feel about Saudi Arabia in sport.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Right, let's move on to the next subjects. It's probably safest.
Warren Gatland finally left Wales Philly. Didn't have a choice,
did he?
Speaker 6 (10:20):
No?
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Not really, But I would actually applaud the fact that,
if the stories are correct, and I hope they are,
that he didn't try and squeeze a golden handshake from them,
And I think that's pretty impressive. Because I mean they
don't get me wrong, Warren Gatland has been paid very
very handsomely by Wales now on the second occasion.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
But no, it didn't have a choice.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
I mean, when you've lost fourteen Test matches in a row,
and while patently that's not all Warren Gatland's fault, by
the length of State Hillway one, there's huge problems inside.
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Well.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I'd be to the point where the players at various
times have men's threatening strikes and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
But in the end, when you've lost fourteen in.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
A row, then bowing out gracefully is the least you
can do.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
And Paul Allison what they say that even when you're
lying in the gussy you can still look at the stars.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
It's not all over.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
There's a way up, get a fresh coach, You've got
your new young staff. See this as an opportunity. And
the fact they did it in the first place and re
employed Warren Gatland, to me was unbelievable anyway, So they've
got to see this as being a fresh way forward surely.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I mean he's had a fantastic coaching career, particularly early on.
He's had heaps of ups and downs. But with that
first tenure for Wales, I think he coached them for
something like one hundred and fifty six test matches and
one fifty percent of them. This time, he hasn't had
a win since October twenty three and he's lost to
fourteen in a row, six wins out of twenty seven.
He's had a fifty percent win loss record with the
(11:49):
British Lions, and then in recent times, as we know,
he had that wretched season with the Chiefs where they
never won a game. But overall he's been a fantastic coach.
But you sort of feel like in the last four
or five years his coaching career record has just tailored off.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
And I don't think they had any other choice.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And if he can leave on solid ground and hold
his head high, that's fine, But I'm not sure what
will be next for him, and maybe Wales just have
to start with a clean chevas and start all over
again and rebuild.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
A couple of quick rap questions Artie Savia, is he
going to be the saving grace of Moinea Possifka?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
How well is he going to go tonight?
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Phil? He'll go fantastically dark, good as gold and Paul.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Do you think it's the same thing.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
He's going to inspire the team, but they've got a
tough challenge in front of them. But yes, he will
be a huge acquisition for them and he'll be hugely inspirational.
Whether he can turn the team around and get them
into the top six, I think will be a big ask.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
And on that we'll let you guys get on with
your weekends.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Thanks so much for your time, your expertise, your experience,
your love, your work. Yeah, everything good on you guys.
Eight and a half minutes to nine. Jason Pine Is
that's okay. We have already made replacement an Elliott Smith.
He joins us next to give you Weekend Sport twelve
(13:07):
at midday three to three o'clock today and tomorrow's The
News Talks EB Wine up to Next.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
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