March 28, 2025 • 16 mins
Red Bull Racing advisor Helmut Marko has admitted Formula 1 world champion Max Verstappen disagrees with their decision to demote teammate Liam Lawson.
The four-time drivers championship winner liked an Instagram post by former F1 racer Giedo [gee-ay-doe - hard g] van der Garde defending Lawson after he was axed in favour of Yuki Tsunoda ahead of the Japanese Grand Prix.
Marko's since confirmed to a German-speaking publication that Verstappen is against the move.
Natham Limm and Hamish MacKay joined D'Arcy Waldegrave on the 'All Star Panel' to review the week's biggest sports stories.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from News Talk sed B.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Sports Breakfast All Star Pedal.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
As that little we polite Andy Sweeper said to us,
we joined on the All Star panel by of course
one of our stars, mister Nathan Lumber, and another one
of our stars homes My god, that's good morning. Hey,
good morning to you both. Look, let's start things off
(00:37):
with the story of the week. It's been a two
week catastrophe hamish for Liam Lawson hasn't started well now
he's been drop kicked to the Racing Bulls team. I
think the biggest problem here is read bull Yeah, I
think so.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I think they've handled this so poorly from way to
go and hey, look, if it's the official line that
it's a lack of confidence, well who wouldn't have had
the absolute you know what kicked out of them by
what's happened in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Now. I don't know enough about the technical side and.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
How inferior and how hard this car is to deal with,
but you would have thought, as we had to a
track that he knows like the back of his hand,
but the great way to boost his confidence would be.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To unleash him for that particular event.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
But this is just a it's a joke, but it's
been an ongoing joke with the second driver of a
Red Bull, and on this occasion it's got even worse.
I mean, if we'd tried to script this to us
three months ago, we wouldn't have been able to come
up with any You would have had to be fairly
cynical and nasty to come up with anything like this.
As to what sort of panned out, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
They have done this to themselves. Nathan Limb. I think
Liam Lawson was a good decision, but they've given him
nothing as far as support to start with. He's had
no lapse, he's no pre pre he said nothing another
going ah, mentally, you're unstable, we're sacking you.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
It doesn't say much about the Red Bull leadership because
they had this decision last year and they decided that
Liam Lawson was the better driver. Now after two races
to go, oh, actually, Yuki Sonoda's a stronger personality. We
think he'll go well, yeah, we'll get rid of Liam Lawson. Well,
it's like you made the decision last year when they
were both in the same cars. When Yuki and Liam
were both in the same cars at racing bills, who
(02:19):
was winning? Liam Lawson was winning.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
He was doing very well. But you've got to remember
one big thing around this boys, one huge thing. It's
called Honda money.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, it's right at the top of
the money runs there of the sport.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Does look if you want results.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Is Liam Nawson? If they've decided Liam Lawson's the better driver,
and if you want results, how do you know Yuki
is going to be any better than Liam? Because the problem,
obviously is that Liam is struggling with the car and
he has not had enough time to get to grips
with it, and they keep changing it, they keep.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
The car, gave him no time Hamish pre season. There's
other drivers who are rookies, have got thousands of laps, not.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
In thousands of laps, hundreds of hours.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But it is you cannot deny that the Honda pot
of cash has had to pay play a.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Part in this. But you know, you know, you wonder
who's pulling the strings.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Hey, Max, can you just like this particular post because
that'll take some of the heat off.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You and you know we can deflect things this way.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And that way end of the day, he's when they
have had an opportunity to test together properly. I understand
limbs within regularly within sort of two tenths of a
second at the most behind him, not sort of one
point three one point five seconds. So now there's a
bit more to the story. I just hope he goes
out there and just HEALTHI Leather, gives it absolute death
and does something crazy like an eighth place finish in
(03:43):
the number two team card.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Now that'd be sensational.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I don't know if someone's pulling the strings telling Max
verstep into like an Instagram post, so asume what you're
referring to as a formula.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, I've been a little bit facetious, but I'm saying
something's going on within that team that ain't that you know,
ain't kosher.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Well, I mean I said before that it's quite telling
about the Red Bull leadership. I think it's quite telling
that the full time Will champion has come out defending
Liam Lawson and ultimately helmet Markers confirmed that he disagrees
with the decision to scrap Lawson. So if maxwist Stapp
and the cars set up for him, and if he
has come out saying Lawson should not be scrapped two
races into the season. It just it doesn't make sense.
(04:22):
It feels, like you said earlier on your show, Darcy,
a knee jerk reaction to something that they should have
had more patience with it and just backing their own
decision that they made last year.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It is all unraveling for Red Bull. Maxib be gone soon.
Adrian knew he's gone as well. Management have gone. It
must be the last year of Red Bull before all
just comes tumbling down. And I said it in my
opinion piece. You know they say red Bull gives you wings. Well,
these wings, like echarus, have flown too close to the sun.
The wax is melting and they are plummeting back to
(04:52):
the earth. Right, enough of that, let's get onto my
next subject. I'll give it to you. Hamis mackay. Eden
Park has been endorsed by Auckland Council. What does that
say to you?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Well, so you know the pickets are well and truly
random to a part of my fundamental you know where
on this one.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And I'm just going to say that I see the
visuals of what we could achieve. Bewt On the waterfront
and what that might mean.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
But I also go, well, the stadiums that we have
in Sydney.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
In terms of there they made me the same with Paris.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I just think that the cost and the risk factor
of the well.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's a negative. It's a negative outcome.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
But I think we've just got to make the most
of what is a you know, not a great position
where this funding is going to come. It looks like
the central government's already said no, I don't think so.
So you know, it's just going to be an ongoing
saga as it has been since what this debate was
raised in about twenty eighteen. So what does it say
to me, Well, if you don't want to live around
(05:57):
Eden Park, don't for a start. You know, I struggle
to get a positions as to what is the best
outcome here?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Well, I mean my thing with this is that if
we're going to go all in on eden Park, right,
if we're going to decide that this is our investment,
we're going to pour money into eden Park and try
and get this the best as we possibly can, we
have to go all in. The reality is it's in Kingsland,
and I know that it was camped at six concerts
a year. They've doubled it to twelve at the end
(06:26):
of last year, which is great. I think it needs
to go higher if we're going to make this our
national stadium. Concerts bring and loads of money to the
local economy. People travel from around the country to go
to concerts, spend money. It's good for Auckland and the
reality is the rest of us are being hamstrung by
a small group of people in Kingland who don't like
the noise after ten pm at Eden Park. You don't
(06:47):
have to live there. There are other places in Auckland
where you can live. For me, choosing to live next
to the National Stadium and then complaining about the noise
is a bit like choosing to live next to a
rubbish tip and then complaining about the smell. What do
you expect?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And Nathan, it's going to get worse because now there's
no no Western springs to complain about their attention around
the court. They go and I'll tell you what you
hamis mccade twenty eighteen is a stretch. Whyn't we having
to go at this in the mid two thousands, before
the world arrived.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Here yeah, look, absolutely, but in terms of putting a
sort of a voted decision on the table, but Notathan's
one hundred percent correct. It's got to be you've got
to go in balls and all here and make this
thing work. And yeah, and you're very pertinent point about
Western Springs. It's just the same old, same old from
those who what I bought next to Eden Park and
didn't expect a bit of noise, and you know, like
(07:42):
I don't think it's a complete white elephant of a stadium.
I mean, I you know, I'm not a big concert guard,
but you know, look, I went along to Cold Play
for friends, took me from my birthday and I thought
that as a facility and it was it was, It
was good. And I like the idea of some seats
floating out to make it a rectangular venue for for
rugby and a decent boundary for cricket.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So yeah, let's go the whole hog.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
We've got it there, the transport system is in place,
Please just do something, and that's what we all want. Impatient,
I got no problem with Eden Parker. You wonder what
happened to the one down there by when you caught
it that looked like quite a good idea, but that
got slapped to one side for the pipe dream to
tongue on.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I can go on about this all day, people will
be sick of it. So let's talk about something else,
not something different to sport, but just different sporting subjects
on the All Star panel that's coming up next. It's
eight forty three something. Strum it's caught it to nine.
Rugby editor here at news talk to eb Elliott Smithy
(08:47):
fest up yesterday in the New Zealand Herald, say, maybe
I got it wrong about Robert Penny. And it's great
when someone actually has the spine to stand up and go,
you know what, I might have got that wrong and
admit it because we're not all right all the time
at all. I know I'm not so on Hamus McKay
about Rob Penny.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Well, you know when you go back and you look
at some of those games that were like so close
week in week out, but on the wrong side of
the Leiger for the Crusaders, and then with the way
that they've come back with a better brand of footing.
I mean yet, well he didn't have many fans, did he,
And you know there was some pretty brutal media coverage,
(09:32):
including the one where a producer sends.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
A rogue reporter along with a few.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Questions to ask off a phone, which is kind of
embarrassing anyway, but I know it's the way of the
world because of the resources we had these days. And
poor old Rob reacted. But hey, look he's you know,
he's coming out of it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think he learned a lot last year, so did
the players around him. But I reckon the key to
what we're seeing and his resurgence this year is a
few senior players David HARVILLI comes to mind, and co
put in their hand up and actually being answerable for
their coach. So yeah, if we said action at the
end of the last year, we were definitely wrong, you Reagan.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, I mean, look, we can only judge based off
the performances, right, So last year the Crusaders were crap
and they did come off on the wrong end of
a few tight results, but ultimately they weren't good enough.
And who's held responsible for that. The coach has held responsible.
So yeah, I mean calling for Rob Pennies acting, and
I know a few people were The Crusaders obviously decided
(10:33):
against that, and they had their own internal review process
and they went through and obviously they would have made
a few adjustments in the way things work. So while
the personnel might be the same, I'd be interested to
know what sort of processes off the field around training
may have changed and to impact on these results. But
also I think the fact that they're not completely hamstrung
by injuries plays a massive role as well. And the
(10:55):
Crusaders have looked really, really good this season and they
will be up there challenging for the title again. So
good on Rob Penny for sticking it out.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, and they hammered the Blues last week. Really feel
for them Blues. It's so strange although they've been haven't
a smashed by injury hamers?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
That's it's the exact same thing that Nathan's raised about
that injury count against the Crusaders last year is applying
to a Blues team who it was despite all those injuries.
Nearly novels the Chiefs a couple of weeks back, so
you know, and then and then the wheels fell off
against the Crusaders.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
But are we going to dump vern Kotta because he
can't coach? No, We're not. You know, we're going to
actually look.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
At what is causing these issues and what are the
complications here And when your locks with Tuypo, Loto and
Dowry on a regular basis last year and they're not
this year, those things start to take massive change. So
they just got to be sensible and dig a little
deeper to see what are causing some of the problems
here for this Blues side.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But coming back to it, it's kind of like it's.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Kind of like the whole Super Rugby competition, the sort
of resurgence of the Crusaders and Rob Beenny finding a mojo.
It's feel good. So it's good to see.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And the Aussie teams are up and Adham as well.
It's eleven minutes away from nine Nathan Limb. Dylan Walker
has been given compassionately family reasons. The list goes on.
He's out, he's gone, and it happened pretty quick. When
do you stand on this one? As far as contracts
are concerned, They've done the right thing, haven't they.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I think they've done the right thing. Yeah, he's living
apart from his family. He wanted to stick it out.
It's been months. He's been months since he's been with
his family, and Cameron George, you know, came out and
said that, you know, we're a club that views our
players as humans, not as you know, tools or or
just workers. And I think that's I think that's a
good point. I think that's a really fair point. And
(12:51):
they they're they're treating their players with compassion, and I'm
fully in support of that. Of course, for the Warriors,
like you said, Revolving Door, they've lost Top Harris in
the off season, Sean Johnson retired Dylan Walker. That is
a lot of experience and this is in comparison and
quite a young cab. They're going, they're going, well.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Now what happens against West Tigers though on Sunday, because
again it's the same team. Basically rock o'berry is back,
No Roger tuy Vasa Seck.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Another loss of another loss of experience on the wing.
Dylan Whitten, he's a Lesniak, is also out. So you're
looking at players like Luke Metcalf, like Shanel Harris, Tavita
and the haves who are young in age and in experience,
but you're looking to them to really step up and
be leaders in the NR role. This is going to
be a real growth a year for the Warriors. It
remains to seem to be seen whether they can continue
(13:41):
to kind of form their inner the last couple of
weeks and actually make the eight. But Dylan Walker plays
a really big role in coming off the interchange of
being a facilitator, playing that sort of Halves role in
and around the middle as a middle forward like Tohu
Harris did. And Aaron Clark is now who's a completely
different player, ball of muscle, runs hard, but he's a
very different player to Toho Harrison Dylan Walker, and he's going
to have to step up and play that sort of
(14:02):
role because they need someone to fill in that loss
of a playmaker that Dylan Walker is going to leave.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Now we talk about forgiving Robert Penny and keeping him
on board, and I like the way Andrew Webs has
done the same with the Halves, because there was a
lot of drums beating for them to be removed after
the disaster of Vegas. Start with them starting to develop
and looking the goods Amish, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
They are, aren't they? You know?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And you know, you do go back to one of
those games last year, which I think has flowed into
this year, which is where the young guys rolled out
there and they won a couple and the cameras would
go to Tohu and Sean and Co in the stands
injured not playing. I do like that sort of faith
in the halves. And I tell you what that game
is for me this weekend against the Tigers with Leui
(14:47):
and Galvin who who Benji's just got them running pretty hot.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's going to be sensational.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And to see the young halves again together, they're going
to get tested by this. I reckon it's going to
be a real point at this game against the Tigers
who are rising and showing some you know, some good
form and players are play hang off the ion coat.
So I just think this is the most This is
the if somebody said to me, you can lock out
ninety minutes this weekend.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I know there's a lot going on, but I tell
you what.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That's The Warriors Tigers would be close to the one
that that I would pick. You know, say I got
an edict at home that you were allowed to watch
one game. Heaven forbid that it ever happened, but that
would be the one up.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
The WARSMS McKay always a pleasure make thanks so much
for your time, your cracking weekend. Maybe try two events.
That's not it's only three.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Ye two two negotiate, negotiate.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Hey, thanks very much for that. And to you Nathan.
Where are the Tigers sitting on the table.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
They sit eighth on the table, played three two wins,
one loss. At the stage. Warriors in the same boat.
There are a couple of places further up they were
last last week. I think we've had it. We've had
a couple of results again.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
All right, well good, Thank you very much for that.
Thank you both of you gentlemen, for joining us. Something
all start power. Coming up next. Jason pine previewing his
magnificent program Weekend Sport from midday through to three today
and tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Piney I've met for more from the Your Sport Breakfast
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You're listening to the All Sport Breakfast podcast with Darcy
Waldgrave from News Talk sed B.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Sports Breakfast All Star Pedal.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
As that little we polite Andy Sweeper said to us,
we joined on the All Star panel by of course
one of our stars, mister Nathan Lumber, and another one
of our stars homes My god, that's good morning. Hey,
good morning to you both. Look, let's start things off
(00:37):
with the story of the week. It's been a two
week catastrophe hamish for Liam Lawson hasn't started well now
he's been drop kicked to the Racing Bulls team. I
think the biggest problem here is read bull Yeah, I
think so.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
I think they've handled this so poorly from way to
go and hey, look, if it's the official line that
it's a lack of confidence, well who wouldn't have had
the absolute you know what kicked out of them by
what's happened in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Now. I don't know enough about the technical side and.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
How inferior and how hard this car is to deal with,
but you would have thought, as we had to a
track that he knows like the back of his hand,
but the great way to boost his confidence would be.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
To unleash him for that particular event.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
But this is just a it's a joke, but it's
been an ongoing joke with the second driver of a
Red Bull, and on this occasion it's got even worse.
I mean, if we'd tried to script this to us
three months ago, we wouldn't have been able to come
up with any You would have had to be fairly
cynical and nasty to come up with anything like this.
As to what sort of panned out, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
They have done this to themselves. Nathan Limb. I think
Liam Lawson was a good decision, but they've given him
nothing as far as support to start with. He's had
no lapse, he's no pre pre he said nothing another
going ah, mentally, you're unstable, we're sacking you.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
It doesn't say much about the Red Bull leadership because
they had this decision last year and they decided that
Liam Lawson was the better driver. Now after two races
to go, oh, actually, Yuki Sonoda's a stronger personality. We
think he'll go well, yeah, we'll get rid of Liam Lawson. Well,
it's like you made the decision last year when they
were both in the same cars. When Yuki and Liam
were both in the same cars at racing bills, who
(02:19):
was winning? Liam Lawson was winning.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
He was doing very well. But you've got to remember
one big thing around this boys, one huge thing. It's
called Honda money.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, it's right at the top of
the money runs there of the sport.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Does look if you want results.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Is Liam Nawson? If they've decided Liam Lawson's the better driver,
and if you want results, how do you know Yuki
is going to be any better than Liam? Because the problem,
obviously is that Liam is struggling with the car and
he has not had enough time to get to grips
with it, and they keep changing it, they keep.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
The car, gave him no time Hamish pre season. There's
other drivers who are rookies, have got thousands of laps, not.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
In thousands of laps, hundreds of hours.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But it is you cannot deny that the Honda pot
of cash has had to pay play a.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Part in this. But you know, you know, you wonder
who's pulling the strings.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Hey, Max, can you just like this particular post because
that'll take some of the heat off.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You and you know we can deflect things this way.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And that way end of the day, he's when they
have had an opportunity to test together properly. I understand
limbs within regularly within sort of two tenths of a
second at the most behind him, not sort of one
point three one point five seconds. So now there's a
bit more to the story. I just hope he goes
out there and just HEALTHI Leather, gives it absolute death
and does something crazy like an eighth place finish in
(03:43):
the number two team card.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Now that'd be sensational.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
I don't know if someone's pulling the strings telling Max
verstep into like an Instagram post, so asume what you're
referring to as a formula.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, I've been a little bit facetious, but I'm saying
something's going on within that team that ain't that you know,
ain't kosher.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Well, I mean I said before that it's quite telling
about the Red Bull leadership. I think it's quite telling
that the full time Will champion has come out defending
Liam Lawson and ultimately helmet Markers confirmed that he disagrees
with the decision to scrap Lawson. So if maxwist Stapp
and the cars set up for him, and if he
has come out saying Lawson should not be scrapped two
races into the season. It just it doesn't make sense.
(04:22):
It feels, like you said earlier on your show, Darcy,
a knee jerk reaction to something that they should have
had more patience with it and just backing their own
decision that they made last year.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It is all unraveling for Red Bull. Maxib be gone soon.
Adrian knew he's gone as well. Management have gone. It
must be the last year of Red Bull before all
just comes tumbling down. And I said it in my
opinion piece. You know they say red Bull gives you wings. Well,
these wings, like echarus, have flown too close to the sun.
The wax is melting and they are plummeting back to
(04:52):
the earth. Right, enough of that, let's get onto my
next subject. I'll give it to you. Hamis mackay. Eden
Park has been endorsed by Auckland Council. What does that
say to you?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Well, so you know the pickets are well and truly
random to a part of my fundamental you know where
on this one.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And I'm just going to say that I see the
visuals of what we could achieve. Bewt On the waterfront
and what that might mean.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
But I also go, well, the stadiums that we have
in Sydney.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
In terms of there they made me the same with Paris.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
I just think that the cost and the risk factor
of the well.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's a negative. It's a negative outcome.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
But I think we've just got to make the most
of what is a you know, not a great position
where this funding is going to come. It looks like
the central government's already said no, I don't think so.
So you know, it's just going to be an ongoing
saga as it has been since what this debate was
raised in about twenty eighteen. So what does it say
to me, Well, if you don't want to live around
(05:57):
Eden Park, don't for a start. You know, I struggle
to get a positions as to what is the best
outcome here?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Well, I mean my thing with this is that if
we're going to go all in on eden Park, right,
if we're going to decide that this is our investment,
we're going to pour money into eden Park and try
and get this the best as we possibly can, we
have to go all in. The reality is it's in Kingsland,
and I know that it was camped at six concerts
a year. They've doubled it to twelve at the end
(06:26):
of last year, which is great. I think it needs
to go higher if we're going to make this our
national stadium. Concerts bring and loads of money to the
local economy. People travel from around the country to go
to concerts, spend money. It's good for Auckland and the
reality is the rest of us are being hamstrung by
a small group of people in Kingland who don't like
the noise after ten pm at Eden Park. You don't
(06:47):
have to live there. There are other places in Auckland
where you can live. For me, choosing to live next
to the National Stadium and then complaining about the noise
is a bit like choosing to live next to a
rubbish tip and then complaining about the smell. What do
you expect?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And Nathan, it's going to get worse because now there's
no no Western springs to complain about their attention around
the court. They go and I'll tell you what you
hamis mccade twenty eighteen is a stretch. Whyn't we having
to go at this in the mid two thousands, before
the world arrived.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
Here yeah, look, absolutely, but in terms of putting a
sort of a voted decision on the table, but Notathan's
one hundred percent correct. It's got to be you've got
to go in balls and all here and make this
thing work. And yeah, and you're very pertinent point about
Western Springs. It's just the same old, same old from
those who what I bought next to Eden Park and
didn't expect a bit of noise, and you know, like
(07:42):
I don't think it's a complete white elephant of a stadium.
I mean, I you know, I'm not a big concert guard,
but you know, look, I went along to Cold Play
for friends, took me from my birthday and I thought
that as a facility and it was it was, It
was good. And I like the idea of some seats
floating out to make it a rectangular venue for for
rugby and a decent boundary for cricket.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So yeah, let's go the whole hog.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
We've got it there, the transport system is in place,
Please just do something, and that's what we all want. Impatient,
I got no problem with Eden Parker. You wonder what
happened to the one down there by when you caught
it that looked like quite a good idea, but that
got slapped to one side for the pipe dream to
tongue on.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
I can go on about this all day, people will
be sick of it. So let's talk about something else,
not something different to sport, but just different sporting subjects
on the All Star panel that's coming up next. It's
eight forty three something. Strum it's caught it to nine.
Rugby editor here at news talk to eb Elliott Smithy
(08:47):
fest up yesterday in the New Zealand Herald, say, maybe
I got it wrong about Robert Penny. And it's great
when someone actually has the spine to stand up and go,
you know what, I might have got that wrong and
admit it because we're not all right all the time
at all. I know I'm not so on Hamus McKay
about Rob Penny.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Well, you know when you go back and you look
at some of those games that were like so close
week in week out, but on the wrong side of
the Leiger for the Crusaders, and then with the way
that they've come back with a better brand of footing.
I mean yet, well he didn't have many fans, did he,
And you know there was some pretty brutal media coverage,
(09:32):
including the one where a producer sends.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
A rogue reporter along with a few.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Questions to ask off a phone, which is kind of
embarrassing anyway, but I know it's the way of the
world because of the resources we had these days. And
poor old Rob reacted. But hey, look he's you know,
he's coming out of it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I think he learned a lot last year, so did
the players around him. But I reckon the key to
what we're seeing and his resurgence this year is a
few senior players David HARVILLI comes to mind, and co
put in their hand up and actually being answerable for
their coach. So yeah, if we said action at the
end of the last year, we were definitely wrong, you Reagan.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, I mean, look, we can only judge based off
the performances, right, So last year the Crusaders were crap
and they did come off on the wrong end of
a few tight results, but ultimately they weren't good enough.
And who's held responsible for that. The coach has held responsible.
So yeah, I mean calling for Rob Pennies acting, and
I know a few people were The Crusaders obviously decided
(10:33):
against that, and they had their own internal review process
and they went through and obviously they would have made
a few adjustments in the way things work. So while
the personnel might be the same, I'd be interested to
know what sort of processes off the field around training
may have changed and to impact on these results. But
also I think the fact that they're not completely hamstrung
by injuries plays a massive role as well. And the
(10:55):
Crusaders have looked really, really good this season and they
will be up there challenging for the title again. So
good on Rob Penny for sticking it out.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, and they hammered the Blues last week. Really feel
for them Blues. It's so strange although they've been haven't
a smashed by injury hamers?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
That's it's the exact same thing that Nathan's raised about
that injury count against the Crusaders last year is applying
to a Blues team who it was despite all those injuries.
Nearly novels the Chiefs a couple of weeks back, so
you know, and then and then the wheels fell off
against the Crusaders.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
But are we going to dump vern Kotta because he
can't coach? No, We're not. You know, we're going to
actually look.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
At what is causing these issues and what are the
complications here And when your locks with Tuypo, Loto and
Dowry on a regular basis last year and they're not
this year, those things start to take massive change. So
they just got to be sensible and dig a little
deeper to see what are causing some of the problems
here for this Blues side.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But coming back to it, it's kind of like it's.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Kind of like the whole Super Rugby competition, the sort
of resurgence of the Crusaders and Rob Beenny finding a mojo.
It's feel good. So it's good to see.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And the Aussie teams are up and Adham as well.
It's eleven minutes away from nine Nathan Limb. Dylan Walker
has been given compassionately family reasons. The list goes on.
He's out, he's gone, and it happened pretty quick. When
do you stand on this one? As far as contracts
are concerned, They've done the right thing, haven't they.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I think they've done the right thing. Yeah, he's living
apart from his family. He wanted to stick it out.
It's been months. He's been months since he's been with
his family, and Cameron George, you know, came out and
said that, you know, we're a club that views our
players as humans, not as you know, tools or or
just workers. And I think that's I think that's a
good point. I think that's a really fair point. And
(12:51):
they they're they're treating their players with compassion, and I'm
fully in support of that. Of course, for the Warriors,
like you said, Revolving Door, they've lost Top Harris in
the off season, Sean Johnson retired Dylan Walker. That is
a lot of experience and this is in comparison and
quite a young cab. They're going, they're going, well.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Now what happens against West Tigers though on Sunday, because
again it's the same team. Basically rock o'berry is back,
No Roger tuy Vasa Seck.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Another loss of another loss of experience on the wing.
Dylan Whitten, he's a Lesniak, is also out. So you're
looking at players like Luke Metcalf, like Shanel Harris, Tavita
and the haves who are young in age and in experience,
but you're looking to them to really step up and
be leaders in the NR role. This is going to
be a real growth a year for the Warriors. It
remains to seem to be seen whether they can continue
(13:41):
to kind of form their inner the last couple of
weeks and actually make the eight. But Dylan Walker plays
a really big role in coming off the interchange of
being a facilitator, playing that sort of Halves role in
and around the middle as a middle forward like Tohu
Harris did. And Aaron Clark is now who's a completely
different player, ball of muscle, runs hard, but he's a
very different player to Toho Harrison Dylan Walker, and he's going
to have to step up and play that sort of
(14:02):
role because they need someone to fill in that loss
of a playmaker that Dylan Walker is going to leave.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Now we talk about forgiving Robert Penny and keeping him
on board, and I like the way Andrew Webs has
done the same with the Halves, because there was a
lot of drums beating for them to be removed after
the disaster of Vegas. Start with them starting to develop
and looking the goods Amish, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
They are, aren't they? You know?
Speaker 4 (14:27):
And you know, you do go back to one of
those games last year, which I think has flowed into
this year, which is where the young guys rolled out
there and they won a couple and the cameras would
go to Tohu and Sean and Co in the stands
injured not playing. I do like that sort of faith
in the halves. And I tell you what that game
is for me this weekend against the Tigers with Leui
(14:47):
and Galvin who who Benji's just got them running pretty hot.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's going to be sensational.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
And to see the young halves again together, they're going
to get tested by this. I reckon it's going to
be a real point at this game against the Tigers
who are rising and showing some you know, some good
form and players are play hang off the ion coat.
So I just think this is the most This is
the if somebody said to me, you can lock out
ninety minutes this weekend.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I know there's a lot going on, but I tell
you what.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
That's The Warriors Tigers would be close to the one
that that I would pick. You know, say I got
an edict at home that you were allowed to watch
one game. Heaven forbid that it ever happened, but that
would be the one up.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
The WARSMS McKay always a pleasure make thanks so much
for your time, your cracking weekend. Maybe try two events.
That's not it's only three.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Ye two two negotiate, negotiate.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Hey, thanks very much for that. And to you Nathan.
Where are the Tigers sitting on the table.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
They sit eighth on the table, played three two wins,
one loss. At the stage. Warriors in the same boat.
There are a couple of places further up they were
last last week. I think we've had it. We've had
a couple of results again.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
All right, well good, Thank you very much for that.
Thank you both of you gentlemen, for joining us. Something
all start power. Coming up next. Jason pine previewing his
magnificent program Weekend Sport from midday through to three today
and tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
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