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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Horrific situation involving a child once again being left in
a car for hours. This was a three year old
child recently and apparently in DHR care. The person that
works for DHR is cooperating with the police. But the
excuse I forgot the child was in the car. Joining
us now is Dino, who's our senior vice president, who's
(00:21):
involved with DHR quite a bit and has foster kids
for years. You've been doing this, you and your family.
We bring foster kids in. Yeah, we don't have any currently.
But wait a minute, hold on, you're on the wrong mic.
What am I supposed to be on? You'd think you're
in radio.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I know you would think, well, you have forty five
mics in front of it. What is this a press conference?
And by the mayor, Yeah, we fostered. We don't have
any current placements Center House currently, but we've had little
ones as little as three and I know so the
person that was responsible for this little I can't remember,
said Catario sees three, you're a little precious little boy. Yes,
(00:56):
it wasn't a DHR employees, it was a contract. These
rides out to go to visits. So if your child
is taken into DHR custody for whatever reason safety, if
there's abuse in the home, so DHR is now responsible
for this child, then they go to a foster phone home.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So, usually after a certain period of time, the birth
parents or birth family will get visits, whether it's once
a month, whatever it may be. DHR can't bring all
these kids to all these visits everywhere. And it sounds
like this precious little boy was in the care of
a contracted worker that was responsible for driving him and
his dad. I saw the interview where his dad had
just seen him. His dad got a visit. The contracted
(01:35):
employee forgot that he was in the back and was
in the car for I mean, what three four and
just twenty minutes in this heat is absolutely ridiculous. So
I just my heart breaks for any time you hear
about this. I mean, I cannot believe that anybody would
forget because a a lot of the newer cars are
or hey, they'll alert you if something's going on in
the car or if you forget something. But shoot, if
(01:55):
that's your job, if that is your job is to
bring the child here, you always got to look at
your back state.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, I mean you almost understand uh. You know, parents
in their hectic world going through something like this, it's
awful and you know, you got to take precautions and
like you said, there's some dashboard, you know, warnings, now
check your back seat before you leave the car. But
you work in the system, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Absolutely, that's your only that's your only job is to
bring this baby after a visit somewhere else. And I
don't know where where the car was parked. I think
it was at somebody's house. Maybe it was her house,
I'm not sure, but yeah, that's that's the situation. So
they were going after a visit to wherever the baby.
Maybe it was back to daycare after that. But it is,
it really is. And you see this in quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Shoot.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
There was just an article about kids in DHR custody sleeping.
This is in mobile at the DHR office. It's happened
in Jefferson County is so overloaded. The entire state is overld.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think the whole country maybe, well.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Absolutely, yeah, if you've ever been to family court in
Jefferson County, there's only a couple of judges. And now
with COVID, when we had little babies and and kids
that were you know in family family Court, you know
it's it's it's broken the family. It's a broken system.
You've got workers in DHR that are a they're so
overloaded they get burned out quickly. They don't pay them enough,
so it's a high turnover. They're always going. They have
(03:11):
to visit these kids once a month, so they're always
on the road. I mean, we would have social workers
coming to wellness checks at nine ten o'clock at night,
and so you just have you just have a lot
of things that are messed up. And then you have
the private sector and different companies and different foster families
that will step in.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Being involved as much as you are in UH with
DHR and being a foster parent yourself, and you say
it's broken and it's overwhelmed, and it's just it's not
people's fault that work at DHR. It's just there are
so many needs and not enough people. What's the answer quick?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, cool funding would help, yes, But at the same time,
people get ind it's going to come from the private
it's going to come from people, just like churches. Churches,
I mean, the church literally could solve the foster care
problem in a day. If if people would actually, you know,
step up. It is a it is you see these
stories about families. Oh my gosh, this foster family is
abusing kids. I don't know how because you have to
(04:05):
go through rigorous training. They check your water temperature and
make sure you have gates up in baby locks.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So it's a good system. It's just yeah, there's not
enough people.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The burnout and the turnovers so high, and you're dealing
with so many different kids. I mean, over six thousand
kids in America are in foster care, and then you
got the ones aging out.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
There's so many issues.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But in this specific instance, it's just like it's a
situation to neglect.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
All right, can you stay with me in another secment.
I want to talk about what's happening in bib County
now and these kids are in DHR care now and
the process that you've seen with DHR. Where these kids
come from and a lot of times you know, they
come with baggage, there's emotional issues. You know, they've been
abused and a lot going on. I want to talk
to you a little bit more about that, all right.
You guys have been doing.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
This for years, twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's just amazing. I mean it honestly, props to you
guys for being able to, you know, step up and
do this, continually do this and make an impact on
people's lives. It takes special people to do this. Not
everybody is cut out to be a fool.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, and it takes it does take a village shoo.
It's not like you do it. You don't do it
on your own, that's for sure. You have a lot
of friends, family, You've got other people that help, and.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
A lot of these people that come through foster care,
you know, come with some baggage. There's emotional issues going on. There,
some abuse maybe going on. There's been some drugs going on.
There's you know, they're in the foster care program for
a reason. So when you get a situation like what
this horrific thing is turned into in bib County and
the kids that were being abused sexually by even their
(05:33):
own family members, and a lot of times, you know,
that type of thing is familiar and they're taken out
of that, thank God, and DHR takes control of them.
What's the process there and what does DHR where do
they place them up?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So what happens when they get taken out on just
like you said, anytime it's kids are taken out, it's
it's serious. It's not for just you know, a walk
in the park. So that is a various what's the
first stepture happens when a kid is removed like that?
Do they go to this? Yeah, no, they go to
They try not to do the group home thing, you know,
if possible, but they take them out of custody. And
(06:09):
bib County is are smaller, they don't have as many
the resources. So they could ask at Shelby or a
Jefferson County, hey can one of your we need more
workers to help all these kids that are affected. They
take them out of the situation. They go to the
DHR building. A lot of times, man, we'd have kids
show up in the middle of the night with a
trash bag, nothing. They show up with either nothing or
they show up with us on their back. So they're
(06:30):
placed in a home. Usually it's a respite home for
most most of the time. But somebody, if you're a
foster family, hey I can I can take kids under
we'd take kids between babies and up to seven years old.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So you did call hey.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Can you take this placement? This is a situation and
you can get they keep dialing until somebody can take them.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So you have you gotten calls in the middle of
the n.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, and or
if you have one, can you take one more for
a week. And it's literally a juggling neck because you
see the stories like I said and mobile where they're
sleeping on the floor at DHR, and it's that's not
a great place for them either. But they got to
get them out of that awful situation. Their first call
is can you go to another family member? Is there
somebody that can take these because DHR they don't, they don't,
(07:12):
they don't want it to take control. But once they do,
your wards of the state, they you know, have legal
right over you until that situation the court case, which
can take years with family court in Alabama. So they're
putting a foster care system and then eventually they let
the court system do its due diligence when it comes
to Hey, if the parents do want reunification, because that's
the all that's the ultimate goal. Not in a situation
(07:33):
like this, it's it's probably going to be a permanent thing.
But they do look for family members to take custody
before putting them into the system.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
All right, So you get the call and you say, yeah,
come on, and that child twenty four hours ago could
have been tied in that basement, right right, So you
get them raw and right out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, and they do it. They train you as much
as because, like I said before, like the training when
it comes to DHR, it's very stringent. So there's a
lot that goes into it. They'll bring in counts is, hey,
here's how you deal with trauma, here's how you deal
with emotional abuse. And then they have counselors, they have more,
they have a ton of resources. That's the other thing too,
there's a lot of resources with DHR, with private companies,
(08:11):
with people that are just making nonprofits to help these
type of situation. This is an extreme case. It's usually
of course, it's usually bad. It's a domestic thing. It's
a like you said, abuse, but it's not to this level.
And so yeah, yeah, just horrific.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So when they come to your home, all right, you
may have them, you don't know for how long do
they say? You don't know you'll be in time.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You just plan on TB TBD, unless it's you sign
up for restpe care and you only taking them for
a weekend, or hey, we're going out of town. I
can only but you really want to minimize that because
they're doing with so much chaos. They just need some
security and stability and they want to know, hey, this
is where I'm going to be for right now. We're
just we're going to love on you, We're going to
take care of you. You're safe and uh. And then
(08:53):
once they start, hopefully the process of reunification.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I would imagine as a foster parent, every case is
different and the time of stay with you is different,
and sometimes you know, you mentioned how the goal is
to reunification with them in the family, which I have
said to you before. Why, I mean, they came out
of a bad thing, why would we want to put
(09:16):
them back in.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, well, not in the bib County situation, that's obviously,
but if it is a domestic thing or hey, they
go through the process of doing the classes of with
anger management or treatment or whatever, or and it's a
long they don't just say, hey, come get your kids.
Of course, there's once again there's you know, there's failures
on every part when it comes to the court system
(09:37):
and the family court system.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But they make you go through a.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Process of do this and do this, and it's a
it can be a couple of years, but.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
There's got to be times when you put them back
in there and all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
They end up they repeat, Absolutely, that happened. That happens
unfortunately a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So how many and I understand that a lot of
times kids will bounce from home to home to home.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Absolutely, they bunch and then they once again and sometimes
they're acting out because of what they're saying. You know,
in this situation, hey, what they're you're not You're not
getting somebody that is that is, hey, a clean slate.
You're going to have to deal with some of this
emotional trauma and issues and and then you toss send
kids with medical issues too, and it's it can be
a lot, but they do train you pretty well.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
How many times does a foster family say, you know what,
I think we want to adopt this child. If they're
wards of the state, do they have the authority to
allow you to the adoption and say, sorry, parents, you
beat this child to a pulp your net.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You have to you have to really screw up so
badly multiple, multiple, because they give you so many shots
to see that to reunify. Now if they say, hey,
I don't want this child anymore, and then they'll kind
of fast track it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But yeah, we thought about.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It a couple of with all you of our multiple
you said that like over years and years and years
and years, you'll have parents and then because like I said,
their goal is reunification. So at some point, you know,
an aunt or a grandma could come say no, I
think I could, I can take this child, and I
can I can handle.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The member again, not the original place of abuse they try.
I think you get one shot, you get you get
a shot with that, and then you go through a
program and you know, rehab and work and blah blah blah,
and get one more chance if it's if it happens again,
you're out for everything.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
To be a judge, I think you should be a
family court out forever, big fan.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I mean, forget about it. Try again and again and again. No,
I agree that that's not right for that child. I'm
getting fired up. I love it. Get the robes ready,
let's get the gavel. Judge JZ. Court's dismissed his child
does not go back ever, and you're going to jail,
all right, Daniel, thank you, I appreciate you.
Horrific situation involving a child once again being left in
a car for hours. This was a three year old
child recently and apparently in DHR care. The person that
works for DHR is cooperating with the police. But the
excuse I forgot the child was in the car. Joining
us now is Dino, who's our senior vice president, who's
(00:21):
involved with DHR quite a bit and has foster kids
for years. You've been doing this, you and your family.
We bring foster kids in. Yeah, we don't have any currently.
But wait a minute, hold on, you're on the wrong mic.
What am I supposed to be on? You'd think you're
in radio.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I know you would think, well, you have forty five
mics in front of it. What is this a press conference?
And by the mayor, Yeah, we fostered. We don't have
any current placements Center House currently, but we've had little
ones as little as three and I know so the
person that was responsible for this little I can't remember,
said Catario sees three, you're a little precious little boy. Yes,
(00:56):
it wasn't a DHR employees, it was a contract. These
rides out to go to visits. So if your child
is taken into DHR custody for whatever reason safety, if
there's abuse in the home, so DHR is now responsible
for this child, then they go to a foster phone home.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
So, usually after a certain period of time, the birth
parents or birth family will get visits, whether it's once
a month, whatever it may be. DHR can't bring all
these kids to all these visits everywhere. And it sounds
like this precious little boy was in the care of
a contracted worker that was responsible for driving him and
his dad. I saw the interview where his dad had
just seen him. His dad got a visit. The contracted
(01:35):
employee forgot that he was in the back and was
in the car for I mean, what three four and
just twenty minutes in this heat is absolutely ridiculous. So
I just my heart breaks for any time you hear
about this. I mean, I cannot believe that anybody would
forget because a a lot of the newer cars are
or hey, they'll alert you if something's going on in
the car or if you forget something. But shoot, if
(01:55):
that's your job, if that is your job is to
bring the child here, you always got to look at
your back state.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, I mean you almost understand uh. You know, parents
in their hectic world going through something like this, it's
awful and you know, you got to take precautions and
like you said, there's some dashboard, you know, warnings, now
check your back seat before you leave the car. But
you work in the system, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Absolutely, that's your only that's your only job is to
bring this baby after a visit somewhere else. And I
don't know where where the car was parked. I think
it was at somebody's house. Maybe it was her house,
I'm not sure, but yeah, that's that's the situation. So
they were going after a visit to wherever the baby.
Maybe it was back to daycare after that. But it is,
it really is. And you see this in quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Shoot.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
There was just an article about kids in DHR custody sleeping.
This is in mobile at the DHR office. It's happened
in Jefferson County is so overloaded. The entire state is overld.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I think the whole country maybe, well.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Absolutely, yeah, if you've ever been to family court in
Jefferson County, there's only a couple of judges. And now
with COVID, when we had little babies and and kids
that were you know in family family Court, you know
it's it's it's broken the family. It's a broken system.
You've got workers in DHR that are a they're so
overloaded they get burned out quickly. They don't pay them enough,
so it's a high turnover. They're always going. They have
(03:11):
to visit these kids once a month, so they're always
on the road. I mean, we would have social workers
coming to wellness checks at nine ten o'clock at night,
and so you just have you just have a lot
of things that are messed up. And then you have
the private sector and different companies and different foster families
that will step in.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Being involved as much as you are in UH with
DHR and being a foster parent yourself, and you say
it's broken and it's overwhelmed, and it's just it's not
people's fault that work at DHR. It's just there are
so many needs and not enough people. What's the answer quick?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, cool funding would help, yes, But at the same time,
people get ind it's going to come from the private
it's going to come from people, just like churches. Churches,
I mean, the church literally could solve the foster care
problem in a day. If if people would actually, you know,
step up. It is a it is you see these
stories about families. Oh my gosh, this foster family is
abusing kids. I don't know how because you have to
(04:05):
go through rigorous training. They check your water temperature and
make sure you have gates up in baby locks.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So it's a good system. It's just yeah, there's not
enough people.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The burnout and the turnovers so high, and you're dealing
with so many different kids. I mean, over six thousand
kids in America are in foster care, and then you
got the ones aging out.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
There's so many issues.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
But in this specific instance, it's just like it's a
situation to neglect.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
All right, can you stay with me in another secment.
I want to talk about what's happening in bib County
now and these kids are in DHR care now and
the process that you've seen with DHR. Where these kids
come from and a lot of times you know, they
come with baggage, there's emotional issues. You know, they've been
abused and a lot going on. I want to talk
to you a little bit more about that, all right.
You guys have been doing.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
This for years, twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's just amazing. I mean it honestly, props to you
guys for being able to, you know, step up and
do this, continually do this and make an impact on
people's lives. It takes special people to do this. Not
everybody is cut out to be a fool.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, and it takes it does take a village shoo.
It's not like you do it. You don't do it
on your own, that's for sure. You have a lot
of friends, family, You've got other people that help, and.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
A lot of these people that come through foster care,
you know, come with some baggage. There's emotional issues going on. There,
some abuse maybe going on. There's been some drugs going on.
There's you know, they're in the foster care program for
a reason. So when you get a situation like what
this horrific thing is turned into in bib County and
the kids that were being abused sexually by even their
(05:33):
own family members, and a lot of times, you know,
that type of thing is familiar and they're taken out
of that, thank God, and DHR takes control of them.
What's the process there and what does DHR where do
they place them up?
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So what happens when they get taken out on just
like you said, anytime it's kids are taken out, it's
it's serious. It's not for just you know, a walk
in the park. So that is a various what's the
first stepture happens when a kid is removed like that?
Do they go to this? Yeah, no, they go to
They try not to do the group home thing, you know,
if possible, but they take them out of custody. And
(06:09):
bib County is are smaller, they don't have as many
the resources. So they could ask at Shelby or a
Jefferson County, hey can one of your we need more
workers to help all these kids that are affected. They
take them out of the situation. They go to the
DHR building. A lot of times, man, we'd have kids
show up in the middle of the night with a
trash bag, nothing. They show up with either nothing or
they show up with us on their back. So they're
(06:30):
placed in a home. Usually it's a respite home for
most most of the time. But somebody, if you're a
foster family, hey I can I can take kids under
we'd take kids between babies and up to seven years old.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So you did call hey.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Can you take this placement? This is a situation and
you can get they keep dialing until somebody can take them.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
So you have you gotten calls in the middle of
the n.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yes, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, and or
if you have one, can you take one more for
a week. And it's literally a juggling neck because you
see the stories like I said and mobile where they're
sleeping on the floor at DHR, and it's that's not
a great place for them either. But they got to
get them out of that awful situation. Their first call
is can you go to another family member? Is there
somebody that can take these because DHR they don't, they don't,
(07:12):
they don't want it to take control. But once they do,
your wards of the state, they you know, have legal
right over you until that situation the court case, which
can take years with family court in Alabama. So they're
putting a foster care system and then eventually they let
the court system do its due diligence when it comes
to Hey, if the parents do want reunification, because that's
the all that's the ultimate goal. Not in a situation
(07:33):
like this, it's it's probably going to be a permanent thing.
But they do look for family members to take custody
before putting them into the system.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
All right, So you get the call and you say, yeah,
come on, and that child twenty four hours ago could
have been tied in that basement, right right, So you
get them raw and right out of the gate.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, and they do it. They train you as much
as because, like I said before, like the training when
it comes to DHR, it's very stringent. So there's a
lot that goes into it. They'll bring in counts is, hey,
here's how you deal with trauma, here's how you deal
with emotional abuse. And then they have counselors, they have more,
they have a ton of resources. That's the other thing too,
there's a lot of resources with DHR, with private companies,
(08:11):
with people that are just making nonprofits to help these
type of situation. This is an extreme case. It's usually
of course, it's usually bad. It's a domestic thing. It's
a like you said, abuse, but it's not to this level.
And so yeah, yeah, just horrific.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
So when they come to your home, all right, you
may have them, you don't know for how long do
they say? You don't know you'll be in time.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
You just plan on TB TBD, unless it's you sign
up for restpe care and you only taking them for
a weekend, or hey, we're going out of town. I
can only but you really want to minimize that because
they're doing with so much chaos. They just need some
security and stability and they want to know, hey, this
is where I'm going to be for right now. We're
just we're going to love on you, We're going to
take care of you. You're safe and uh. And then
(08:53):
once they start, hopefully the process of reunification.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I would imagine as a foster parent, every case is
different and the time of stay with you is different,
and sometimes you know, you mentioned how the goal is
to reunification with them in the family, which I have
said to you before. Why, I mean, they came out
of a bad thing, why would we want to put
(09:16):
them back in.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, well, not in the bib County situation, that's obviously,
but if it is a domestic thing or hey, they
go through the process of doing the classes of with
anger management or treatment or whatever, or and it's a
long they don't just say, hey, come get your kids.
Of course, there's once again there's you know, there's failures
on every part when it comes to the court system
(09:37):
and the family court system.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But they make you go through a.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Process of do this and do this, and it's a
it can be a couple of years, but.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
There's got to be times when you put them back
in there and all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
They end up they repeat, Absolutely, that happened. That happens
unfortunately a lot.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So how many and I understand that a lot of
times kids will bounce from home to home to home.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Absolutely, they bunch and then they once again and sometimes
they're acting out because of what they're saying. You know,
in this situation, hey, what they're you're not You're not
getting somebody that is that is, hey, a clean slate.
You're going to have to deal with some of this
emotional trauma and issues and and then you toss send
kids with medical issues too, and it's it can be
a lot, but they do train you pretty well.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
How many times does a foster family say, you know what,
I think we want to adopt this child. If they're
wards of the state, do they have the authority to
allow you to the adoption and say, sorry, parents, you
beat this child to a pulp your net.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You have to you have to really screw up so
badly multiple, multiple, because they give you so many shots
to see that to reunify. Now if they say, hey,
I don't want this child anymore, and then they'll kind
of fast track it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
But yeah, we thought about.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
It a couple of with all you of our multiple
you said that like over years and years and years
and years, you'll have parents and then because like I said,
their goal is reunification. So at some point, you know,
an aunt or a grandma could come say no, I
think I could, I can take this child, and I
can I can handle.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
The member again, not the original place of abuse they try.
I think you get one shot, you get you get
a shot with that, and then you go through a
program and you know, rehab and work and blah blah blah,
and get one more chance if it's if it happens again,
you're out for everything.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
To be a judge, I think you should be a
family court out forever, big fan.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I mean, forget about it. Try again and again and again. No,
I agree that that's not right for that child. I'm
getting fired up. I love it. Get the robes ready,
let's get the gavel. Judge JZ. Court's dismissed his child
does not go back ever, and you're going to jail,
all right, Daniel, thank you, I appreciate you.
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