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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's beginning to sound a lot like the holidays. The
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:03):
After the movie Free Willie became a hit, word got
out that the star of the film, a killer whal
named Kiko, was sick and still living in a tiny
pool in a Mexican amusement park fans were outraged, kids
demanded his release, and Danielle Dragon from Serial Productions. In
The New York Times comes The Goodwill, a story about
the wildly ambitious science experiment to return Keiko to the ocean.
(01:24):
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Speaker 4 (01:33):
There are going to be so many books written on
how Joe Biden has destroyed this country in so many
different ways. I mean the list is just long enough,
serious business for a book and explaining what happened, how
it happened, why it happened. And one of those things is,
you know, women's sports just destroyed. I mean, Joe Biden
(01:55):
targeted and did more damage to women's sports and privacy.
And we even realize in joining us now to talk
about this, doctor Nathaniel Cogley and an associate professor of
political science. Hey Nathaniel, thank you for being in here.
I appreciate you. So how is Donald Trump going to
fix this? He says, on day one, this is going away.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yeah, that's right. He was very clear running in his campaign,
and I'm going to quote him here, he said, men
playing in women's sports is insane. I can't even imagine
anyone thinking anything other. I'm going to terminate that immediately.
I'm not going to let it happen. So the Senate
doesn't move immediately. Yeah, Republicans got fifty three senators, but
(02:35):
the Democrats could filibuster Senate actions. So the president trying
to sign a change to the law here seems like
something that definitely wouldn't happen immediately. So we're expecting an
executive order probably on day one. On day one of
the Biden administration, he informed the states that they should
think of sex discrimination in Title nine, which was written
(02:58):
in nineteen seventy two as a gender identity. So if
you deny someone who thinks they're a woman a spot
on a woman's team, that could be interpreted as a
sex discrimination. Trump's going to be able to come and
hear and reverse all that stuff pretty quick through executive
action because Congress never said that. That was Biden's interpretation
(03:18):
that he issued on day one of his administrations, so
Trump can undo that and say no, the interpretation going
forward is that discrimination on sex is refers to biology
and nothing else, and that the Title nine should be
interpreted as ensuring biological women equal access to sports.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Well, you make a great point in that basically is
defined back in the seventies when Title nine came to
be as what gender is, there's two male and female,
and to protect women, they got Title nine, you know,
in place to allow them to have as much accessibility
and as much good coming in their direction as the
(03:59):
men do. So, once again, as it's defined in the
beginning by people that want to protect women and honor
and award women's sports, all of a sudden, they don't
want to use that same definition that was used when
it was created to define what's going on. Now you
can have it both ways.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah, I think it's a good example. You know, it's
the president's constitutional duty to make sure that the laws
are faithfully executed, and faithful means in a manner that
is true to the facts or the original So President
Trump's going to come in here with an execution of
the law that's faithful to the original one written in
nineteen seventy two. What Predicident and Biden was up to
(04:39):
is not the original intent of the law. By any
stretch or imagination. So it was kind of his preference
of what he'd like the law to be, not his
actual faithful executional law. It's also politically curious. I mean,
Trump's on the right side of the law, but he's
also on the right side with the public. You know,
sixty nine percent of the population once participation in sports
(05:01):
to be based on biology, not identity. So Biden's position
is constitutionally untenable and also politically as well.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You know, I don't know, you know why we got
into this whole thing and why it became such a
centerpiece of discussion and that we've got to go along
with this and just bow to it. But when it
started to be every doctor I've spoken to said gender
dysphoria is a psychological problem, not a biological problem, and
(05:30):
should be dealt with psychologically. I mean, why did the
medical community start to bend away from that? And even
as young as you know, young children go into pediatric
centers and they're pediatricians saying all right, I'll go and
I'll go with you on this, and let's go ahead
and start the transition. What happened with our medical.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Community on the outside of that it looks like there
was a lot of money and grants tied into doing
it the way that the powers that be in DC
would like it done. And of course the pharmaceutical industry
is very powerful there. Of course people did speak up
and this is why the tide is starting to turn
right now.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Well, thank god if this is going to change. And
I'm so glad that you mentioned that Donald Trump may
pull out that executive pen did not realize that that
would be something, as you know, an executive action could do,
but he said, nope, day one, Here we go, no more.
All right, buddy, I appreciate you, doctor Nathaniel Cogley. Interesting insight.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's beginning to sound a lot like the holidays. The
Roku Channel your home for free and premium TV is
giving you access to holiday music and genre base stations
from iHeart all for free. Find this soundtrack of the
season with channels like iHeart Christmas and north Pole Radio.
The Roku channel is available on all Roku devices, Web, Amazon, fireTV,
(06:53):
Google TV, Samsung TVs, and the Roku Mobile app on
iOS and Android devices. What you love and siron up
that year with iHeartRadio on the Roku Channel.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Happy Streaming if you put aside twenty five cents every
week for a year, what could you get at the
end A few cups of coffee, maybe a candle, Or
you could get a year of the best reporting from
all over the world. Go to Washingtonpost dot com slash
BF twenty four right now. You'll get a Washington Post
subscription for twenty five cents a week for your first year.
(07:27):
This is a Black Friday sale, so it won't last long.
Washingtonpost dot com slash b F twenty four.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
After the movie Free Willie became a hit, word got
out that the star of the film, a killer whale
named Keiko, was sick and still living in a tiny
pool in a Mexican amusement park. Fans were outraged, kids
demanded his release. I'm Danielle, a racon from Serial Productions.
In the New York Times, comes The Goodwille, a story
about the wildly ambitious science experiment to return Keko to
the ocean. Listen to new episodes on Thursdays. Want early
(07:58):
access to the whole show subscrit dedribed at The Times
at ny Times dot com. Slash podcasts to listen on
Apple podcasts and Spotify
It's beginning to sound a lot like the holidays. The
Roku Channel your home for free and premium TV is
giving you access to holiday music and genre base stations
from iHeart all for free. Find this soundtrack of the
season with channels like iHeart Christmas and North Pole Radio.
The Roku Channel is available on all Roku devices, Web, Amazon, fireTV,
(00:21):
Google TV, Samsung TVs, and the Roku Mobile app on
iOS and Android devices. So stream what you love and
turn up that cheer with iHeartRadio on the Roku Channel.
Happy Streaming.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I have a way to make your morning more efficient.
You can get caught up on the news in about
seven minutes. That is my promise to you as the
host of the Seven podcast from the Washington Post. And
in that time I will run down seven stories, everything
from the most important headlines to fascinating new information you
might miss otherwise. My name's Hannah Jule. Go follow the
(00:56):
Seven right now wherever you're listening, and we will get
you caught up.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
After the movie Free Willie became a hit, word got
out that the star of the film, a killer whal
named Kiko, was sick and still living in a tiny
pool in a Mexican amusement park fans were outraged, kids
demanded his release, and Danielle Dragon from Serial Productions. In
The New York Times comes The Goodwill, a story about
the wildly ambitious science experiment to return Keiko to the ocean.
(01:24):
Listen to new episodes on Thursdays. Want early access to
the whole show. Subscribed at The Times, at ny Times
dot com, Slash podcasts, to listen on Apple podcasts and Spotify.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
There are going to be so many books written on
how Joe Biden has destroyed this country in so many
different ways. I mean the list is just long enough,
serious business for a book and explaining what happened, how
it happened, why it happened. And one of those things is,
you know, women's sports just destroyed. I mean, Joe Biden
(01:55):
targeted and did more damage to women's sports and privacy.
And we even realize in joining us now to talk
about this, doctor Nathaniel Cogley and an associate professor of
political science. Hey Nathaniel, thank you for being in here.
I appreciate you. So how is Donald Trump going to
fix this? He says, on day one, this is going away.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Yeah, that's right. He was very clear running in his campaign,
and I'm going to quote him here, he said, men
playing in women's sports is insane. I can't even imagine
anyone thinking anything other. I'm going to terminate that immediately.
I'm not going to let it happen. So the Senate
doesn't move immediately. Yeah, Republicans got fifty three senators, but
(02:35):
the Democrats could filibuster Senate actions. So the president trying
to sign a change to the law here seems like
something that definitely wouldn't happen immediately. So we're expecting an
executive order probably on day one. On day one of
the Biden administration, he informed the states that they should
think of sex discrimination in Title nine, which was written
(02:58):
in nineteen seventy two as a gender identity. So if
you deny someone who thinks they're a woman a spot
on a woman's team, that could be interpreted as a
sex discrimination. Trump's going to be able to come and
hear and reverse all that stuff pretty quick through executive
action because Congress never said that. That was Biden's interpretation
(03:18):
that he issued on day one of his administrations, so
Trump can undo that and say no, the interpretation going
forward is that discrimination on sex is refers to biology
and nothing else, and that the Title nine should be
interpreted as ensuring biological women equal access to sports.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Well, you make a great point in that basically is
defined back in the seventies when Title nine came to
be as what gender is, there's two male and female,
and to protect women, they got Title nine, you know,
in place to allow them to have as much accessibility
and as much good coming in their direction as the
(03:59):
men do. So, once again, as it's defined in the
beginning by people that want to protect women and honor
and award women's sports, all of a sudden, they don't
want to use that same definition that was used when
it was created to define what's going on. Now you
can have it both ways.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah, I think it's a good example. You know, it's
the president's constitutional duty to make sure that the laws
are faithfully executed, and faithful means in a manner that
is true to the facts or the original So President
Trump's going to come in here with an execution of
the law that's faithful to the original one written in
nineteen seventy two. What Predicident and Biden was up to
(04:39):
is not the original intent of the law. By any
stretch or imagination. So it was kind of his preference
of what he'd like the law to be, not his
actual faithful executional law. It's also politically curious. I mean,
Trump's on the right side of the law, but he's
also on the right side with the public. You know,
sixty nine percent of the population once participation in sports
(05:01):
to be based on biology, not identity. So Biden's position
is constitutionally untenable and also politically as well.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
You know, I don't know, you know why we got
into this whole thing and why it became such a
centerpiece of discussion and that we've got to go along
with this and just bow to it. But when it
started to be every doctor I've spoken to said gender
dysphoria is a psychological problem, not a biological problem, and
(05:30):
should be dealt with psychologically. I mean, why did the
medical community start to bend away from that? And even
as young as you know, young children go into pediatric
centers and they're pediatricians saying all right, I'll go and
I'll go with you on this, and let's go ahead
and start the transition. What happened with our medical.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Community on the outside of that it looks like there
was a lot of money and grants tied into doing
it the way that the powers that be in DC
would like it done. And of course the pharmaceutical industry
is very powerful there. Of course people did speak up
and this is why the tide is starting to turn
right now.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Well, thank god if this is going to change. And
I'm so glad that you mentioned that Donald Trump may
pull out that executive pen did not realize that that
would be something, as you know, an executive action could do,
but he said, nope, day one, Here we go, no more.
All right, buddy, I appreciate you, doctor Nathaniel Cogley. Interesting insight.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's beginning to sound a lot like the holidays. The
Roku Channel your home for free and premium TV is
giving you access to holiday music and genre base stations
from iHeart all for free. Find this soundtrack of the
season with channels like iHeart Christmas and north Pole Radio.
The Roku channel is available on all Roku devices, Web, Amazon, fireTV,
(06:53):
Google TV, Samsung TVs, and the Roku Mobile app on
iOS and Android devices. What you love and siron up
that year with iHeartRadio on the Roku Channel.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
Happy Streaming if you put aside twenty five cents every
week for a year, what could you get at the
end A few cups of coffee, maybe a candle, Or
you could get a year of the best reporting from
all over the world. Go to Washingtonpost dot com slash
BF twenty four right now. You'll get a Washington Post
subscription for twenty five cents a week for your first year.
(07:27):
This is a Black Friday sale, so it won't last long.
Washingtonpost dot com slash b F twenty four.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
After the movie Free Willie became a hit, word got
out that the star of the film, a killer whale
named Keiko, was sick and still living in a tiny
pool in a Mexican amusement park. Fans were outraged, kids
demanded his release. I'm Danielle, a racon from Serial Productions.
In the New York Times, comes The Goodwille, a story
about the wildly ambitious science experiment to return Keko to
the ocean. Listen to new episodes on Thursdays. Want early
(07:58):
access to the whole show subscrit dedribed at The Times
at ny Times dot com. Slash podcasts to listen on
Apple podcasts and Spotify
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