Film maker Dinesh D'Souza on his new movie the Dragon's Phophecy

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Alabama's Morning News. I'm jat and joining us now is
filmmaker Dinesh da Suza and he has got a new
one coming out very soon. Good morning, sir, welcome to have.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
You back, a good morning, delighted to join you. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
So I saw about I watched about half of it
last night. I'm going to watch the rest of it today,
The Dragon's Prophecy, and it was just I mean, you
were right there and have the footage from the attack
October seventh last year in Israel as Hamas came storming
through and killed you know, over a thousand people, took hostages,

(00:33):
and we were still trying to end all of this
and get our hostages back. The Dragon's Prophecy is the
film that covers the events of this based on the book.
So what does this title represent The Dragon's Prophecy.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
There's the passage in the Book of Revelation in which
the dragon, which represents the devil, is at war with
a woman representing Israel, and the woman is actually pregnant,
representing Jesus the Messiah. So it's a kind of symbol
that draws attention to the fact that we are dealing

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here with massive spiritual warfare. And while people sometimes talk
about that, the question is who's fighting, like who's who
are the combatants and the spiritual warfare? And our premise
is it goes back to the very beginning. It's God
versus Lucifer, it's God against the devil. And the point
here is this that the devil can't fight God. The

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devil can't defeat God. So what does the devil do?
He kind of picks on what God cares about, and
his idea is that by ruining those people, he will
get the last laugh on God. So if you look
at the Garden of Eden, why does he pick on
Adam and Eve? They didn't do anything to him, but
you know what they are, the cherished creation of God.
So the devil goes, let me ruin them, and by

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doing this, I will get revenge on God. So what
I'm getting at here is the events in front of
us October seventh, the war. It's part of a larger
biblical unfolding narrative. So it's not just a political film.
This is a film that engages moral issues, spiritual issues,
And I would argue biblical issues.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
One hundred percent. And you mentioned the devil cannot defeat God.
And I guess this goes back to the original sin
and why we are in a fallen world and what
we have to deal with, you know, and is Jesus
promised you know, I have overcome the world. You will
have troubles, but fear not. My question to you, biblically speaking, denesh,
if God can end the devil today, why doesn't he?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Because it is part of an unfolding biblical mystery that
goes to the heart of what it means to be human. Right, ironically,
we have within us a capacity for good and evil.
I think the message of the Garden of Eden is
that God said to Adam and Eve, listen, you can
sort of live in this world and do it my way.

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But Adam and Evil are like, no, we want to
do it right. And so God is sort of like,
all right, well, guess what I got to make a
world for you. It's going to have free will, it's
going to have natural laws, you're going to live in it,
You're going to be making moral choices. And so in
a sense, it was man's decision to change the story
and God sort of went along with it. So I

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don't think we can fully comprehend all this, But let
me just say that I think the Jews are in
the middle of it. You know, Israel is in the
middle of it, the Reconstitution, the Jews coming back to Israel.
So one of the things that Jonathan Khn says, he's
the guy who wrote the book The Dragon's Prophecy that
the film is made on. He says, the battle between
Israel and Hamas, so Israel and the Palestinians is a

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kind of replay. It's a recreation of an ancient battle
that the Israelites fought in the Bible against the Philistines,
who were their most determined and implacable enemies. And what
he shows is not just that the name Palestine the
name Philistine is the same, it's the same word, but
rather that the tactics are the same. So if I

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can give one example, the you know, Samson is a
major figure in the Bible. He represents the strength of Israel.
He's captured by the Philistines, and the first thing they
do is they blind him so much in the same
way that Israel was blinded on October seventh. And then
they drag him. But where to Gaza. So Gaza's in

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the Bible the Philistines came from the area now known
as the Gaza Strip, and so Samson is taken there.
And then it says the people said that they wanted
Samson to be stripped of his clothes so that he
could entertain them, And this is exactly what happened after
October seventh. The hostages were dragged to Gaza, stripped and

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then you have people dancing around them, Allahu Akbar and
all that. So Jonathan Kahn makes the striking observation that Samson,
right out of the Bible, is the first hostage of Gaza.
So this is a way that the film enlarges our
perspective if it does take on the critiques from the
left from the right, not only the idea that Israel

(05:07):
is a colonizer, but also some of the points raised
by people like Tucker Carlson. So it's a very timely film,
but it's also timeless.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, this is like you said, spiritual warfare. This is
good versus evil, light versus darkness, and we will live
in it until you know the end of time. And
this battle that Israel has been fighting with the world
basically has been going on since biblical times, and the
Bible tells us that this will continue until Jesus returns.
So when you're going through this process of taking the

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book and creating the film with it, Denesh, were you
on an educational journey yourself as well? I mean you
depicted so many different things biblically in this What took
you through and what did you learn as you went through?
And talk to people about how much this does reflect
actually what happens in scripture.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
So the kind the way my mind works is I say,
all right, I happen to have all this incredible footage
of October seventh, and to my amazement, the world hasn't
seen it. So we're going to begin riding into Israel
with Hamas. Why because Hamas took the footage, so you're

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not seeing the attack from the point of view of
the victims. It's almost like you're in a motorcycle. You've
got to GoPro on your head, and you're riding in
with Hamas on October seventh. That's how the film begins.
Then I bring in this remarkable set of biblical ideas
from Jonathan Kahn and his book The Dragon's Prophecy. But
then I step back and I say, look in a way, see,

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Khan is addressing a Christian audience of believers. But I've
got an audience, and some of those people are going
to say, well, how do we know that we can
trust the Bible? How do we know this is these
are real events? How do we know that David and
Jeremiah and Isaiah and even conscious pilot, how do we
know these are real people? They're in the Bible, but
is there any external corroboration of them? And so suddenly

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I'm in the middle of the archaeological digs and the pits,
and I'm pulling out seals and stones from the ground.
So I'm authenticating the Bible, and I'm also showing that, look,
this is proof of the ancient presence of the Jews
in that land. Irrefutably, they were here two thousand, three
thousand years ago. This is actually their land. And by

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the way, even though they scattered, they didn't leave voluntarily.
I mean, they were pushed out. And so it's a
kind of miracle that two thousand years later, not just
that they reconstituted, they came back to their same place.
They eat the same food, they revive the Hebrew language,
they do the same festivals, They worship the same God.

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I mean, there is no precedent in history for this
kind of thing. So all of this is in a
very evocative and mysterious way brought into the film. But
then I also get to the politics of it. I
have a one on one with Ned and Yahoo. I
put questions to him, you know, very some of them
quite startling to him. I say, you know, like, what
do you think of Jesus? So I'm asking the Jewish

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head of the Jewish state to comment on Jesus Christ.
Pretty fascinating stuff. So it's all there in the film.
I'm very proud of it. It's a little departure for
me because you know, my earlier films have all been
about America in one way or another. This is different.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
We're talking with Denesh Desuza. The new movie is called
Dragon's Prophecy. Your thoughts on where we are now with
the end of the war is the President Trump has
met with net and Yahoo just the other day and
they've come up with a twenty point bullet point list
of things in demands that have to happen for Hamas
to accept to end this and get some peace in

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the region. Again. Biblically, history shows us that it's been
going on for so long. As I mentioned it also
Scripture says that it's not going to end until the
return of Christ. Your thoughts on where they are and
trying to negotiate this peace. Will Hamas respond and leave
and go to Cutter or Qatar? And will we get

(09:00):
somewhere with this? Or is Hamas just going to say
forget about it? Terror is who we are, It's in
our DNA, and we're not going away.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I think the answer to that really depends on who
possesses the keys in the end. Is it in fact
Hamas or is it Qatar. The Hamas people are sort
of sponsored by Qatar. You know, they hang out in
Katari penthouses, they eat in Katari restaurants, they spend Katari
oil money. So there's gonna be a sort of a

(09:29):
tug of war going on here, kind of like by
the way, how that you know the Taliban hosted the
nine to eleven hijackers, right, The Taliban is like, we'll
supply the monkey bars, you can come train over here,
and so on. So I think it is an open
question as to who is calling the shots. And not
to mention the fact that the Katari shakes are all

(09:49):
playing kind of a double game. They're like, yeah, we're
going to try to convince Hamas, but who knows what
they say inside the conference room to Hamas. So we'll
see how it plays out. The Bible basically seems to
say that this conflict in an ultimate sense, will not
be solved. And I think also we can see that
from a common sense point of view. I mean, Islamic

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jihad is not going away. The problem we're dealing with
here is not just Palestine, right, We're dealing with the
Muslim brotherhood. We're dealing with ISIS and al Qaeda. We're
dealing with countries like Sudan and Yemen and Turkey and Iran.
So those guys don't wake up in the morning worrying
about about Gaza or Palestine. They've got a larger mission,

(10:32):
which includes infiltrating the West, making headway in Australia and
the Canada and Europe and America. They want to move
into the suburbs and run for the school board, and
you know, they want a thousand ilhan omars in power.
So I am amazed at the shortsightedness of some of
the influencers and pundits on the right who are pointing

(10:54):
the finger at Israel instead of recognizing that our problem
really is low bulgee hot.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
One hundred percent, one hundred percent. Well, once again, Denish,
I really appreciate you coming on with us. It's Denish Desuza.
The film is called Dragons Prophecy. When does this land
to the general public and where can people watch this film?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's in theaters select theaters October sixth and October eighth,
so the two days right around October seventh, the very
next day October nine. It's in streaming and DVD, and
there's a one stop shop for all tickets, including theater tickets,
and that's the website, the Dragons prophecyfilm dot com, so plural,
the Dragons prophecyfilm dot com.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Very good, Denish de SUSA, Thank you so much, God bless.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Always a pleasure. Thank you,