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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Horrifict situation in New York City as a gunman came
from Nevada and it looks like targeted this location in
midtown and killed four people, then he killed himself. To
talk a little bit more about this is Geene Petrino,
former and retired SWAT commander. Gene, welcome in, Thanks for
being with me.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Thanks AT.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So I heard there was some talk about CTE. Have
you heard anything about this and the mode of behind
what was going on here?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You know, I did just pick up on that a
little while ago, and that would be, you know, one
of those situations that could cause a person to act
this way. So it's definitely an interesting turn of events.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The NFL headquarters there, So I guess we'll find out
more as they dig into this investigation here. But it
looks like a targeted attack to me, not so much random.
I mean, he kind of you leave from Nevada and
head to New York City and end up at this building.
I don't think it was just random. He could have
just randomly killed people where he was.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, it's you know, all of these attacks, there's always
some kind of intent on where where they're picking and
you know their targets, So this one definitely you're driving
across country and going to a specific building in a
city with quite a few buildings. You know, clearly he
knew where he was going and it was a well
thought out, laid out planned for him.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
As a retired SWAD commander. When a guy enters a
building like this, and can you really be prepared if
he's got a rifle like this and just walks in
and people are about their business in midtown Manhattan, what afternoon,
two thirty three o'clock in the afternoon, It's tough to
defend against that, even if you're armed.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, it really is. But this is where training comes
into play. You know a lot of people will think
that there's not much they can do, but a lot
of stuff can be done. On the front end of
it is watching, you know, people's behavior beforehand to see
if there's any signs that they're going to start doing this.
But once the shooting starts, it is very difficult to
defend if you don't have security measures in place. But
(01:57):
even in this case, you know there's a an off
duty police officer unfortunately was killed in this who was
doing security there. It's very difficult sometimes but you know,
the notification systems and buildings like this when this happens
are really important to help save lives once the shooting starts,
to get people to shelter in place and things like that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, I saw a lot of sheltering in place. There's
pictures that have obviously made social media is where offices
you know, locked doors, stacked furniture up against it. So
there was some training and I guess who does that
the building people? Is that the corporations that train their
own individual employees. How does that training you know, translate
(02:37):
and get started.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, it comes down to the typically the companies within
those buildings. Every organization has a responsibility to provide safe
work environments for their employees and for the visitors at
their at their businesses. And part of that is to
learn the proper procedures or the best you know concepts
behind sheltering in place or fighting if you have to,
(02:58):
or if there's a way to escape to do that
as well. So it really falls on not so much
the building as it does the companies within it, but
the building itself. You know, with their security guards, they
should be trained as well as how to respond in
a little bit different manner. But it's really you know,
when you think about it, it comes down to individuals too.
We all at this point should know enough to know
(03:22):
what to do in these incidents, and if you don't,
it's time to start paying attention.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think anybody that's got
any leadership roles in companies listening right now ought to
be going. Are we prepared in our own situation? As
a swat commander when you enter a situation like this
forty story building, you get the call there's an active
shooter situation. You don't know what floor he's on. He's
obviously shot people in the lobby, but then he jumps
(03:48):
on this elevator and rides up to what could have been,
you know, any one of those floors. How do you
guys handle situations like that when it could still be
a situation as he goes up the floor is killing
people all the way up, you know, up to the top.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, it's it's a very challenging situation. You know, the
first priority is to stop the stop the killing, and
then and then when you come across injured, just to
help prevent them from dying. If you can stop the
bleeding and things like that. It does get very challenging
to figure out what floor they're going to. But this
is where a lot of you know, this is where
the security team at a at a complex really comes
(04:23):
into play because they can help give access to surveillance
systems and things like that so you can track where
they're coming from. And also you you frequently would get
phone calls of you know, what floor you want if
they hear people shooting on that floor. You get a
lot of nline calls. And that also is information that
has passed on to law enforcement to help them locate
the shooter.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
This was not going to end well for this guy,
and I would imagine he realized that he took his
own life. Does that? You know, when SWAT teams are
brought in seem to be a pretty common thing. Either
SWAT teams take them out or they take their own lives.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, they usually usually it's uh, I shouldn't say usually.
Typically you'll you'll find that they're either going to be
taken out by by law enforcement or they're going to
they're going to commit suicide. It's it's it's not it's
not something they're usually walking away from and they know
that going into this. This is part of the whole planning,
you know, Like you're saying this was a planned event.
He had planned from the very beginning what his actions
(05:22):
were going to do. He probably had it all planned
down to the exact route that he was going to take.
And clearly he knew its poor he was going to
so I imagine that he knew that once he was
going to accomplish. Ever, you know, however many people he
wanted to shoot or you know where he wanted to go,
he was going to end his life himself. I think
he had a plan and he was going to go
until he killed himself or he was killed by law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, you know, we talked about being prepared for something
like this when it does happen individually and as a company.
But in New York City it's tough to get gun permits.
I mean, they're one of the most liberal gun restricting
areas of our country. Here where a Democrat did not
waste any time coming out there saying this is the
fault of the Republicans because they're not buying into gun control.
(06:08):
Your thoughts on you know, good guys with guns versus
bad guys with guns does not make more sense that
you should allow good people to carry in situations like
this wherever they are, whether it's an office building or
you're going to you know, business or whatever. I mean
with situations, If you're armed, you're prepared.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, the statistics that I that I keep coming across
are showing that, you know, having restricted gun laws really
does not benefit anyone, and having the opportunity to have
people who could be armed to stop the incident has
a better likelihood of ending the event before anything happens.
So yeah, I tend to believe that when you have
these strong gun controls, you really don't are you know,
(06:51):
it's sort of counter productive to what you're trying to do.
It's it's really not saving people, it's actually causing a
greater likelihood of someone getting killed.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Well, gee, I appreciate your time this morning, Thanks for
weighing in with us, and we'll do it again sometime soon,
hopefully not you know, the same circumstance, But thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You got a JC. Thank you
Horrifict situation in New York City as a gunman came
from Nevada and it looks like targeted this location in
midtown and killed four people, then he killed himself. To
talk a little bit more about this is Geene Petrino,
former and retired SWAT commander. Gene, welcome in, Thanks for
being with me.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Thanks AT.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So I heard there was some talk about CTE. Have
you heard anything about this and the mode of behind
what was going on here?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You know, I did just pick up on that a
little while ago, and that would be, you know, one
of those situations that could cause a person to act
this way. So it's definitely an interesting turn of events.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
The NFL headquarters there, So I guess we'll find out
more as they dig into this investigation here. But it
looks like a targeted attack to me, not so much random.
I mean, he kind of you leave from Nevada and
head to New York City and end up at this building.
I don't think it was just random. He could have
just randomly killed people where he was.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, it's you know, all of these attacks, there's always
some kind of intent on where where they're picking and
you know their targets, So this one definitely you're driving
across country and going to a specific building in a
city with quite a few buildings. You know, clearly he
knew where he was going and it was a well
thought out, laid out planned for him.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
As a retired SWAD commander. When a guy enters a
building like this, and can you really be prepared if
he's got a rifle like this and just walks in
and people are about their business in midtown Manhattan, what afternoon,
two thirty three o'clock in the afternoon, It's tough to
defend against that, even if you're armed.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, it really is. But this is where training comes
into play. You know a lot of people will think
that there's not much they can do, but a lot
of stuff can be done. On the front end of
it is watching, you know, people's behavior beforehand to see
if there's any signs that they're going to start doing this.
But once the shooting starts, it is very difficult to
defend if you don't have security measures in place. But
(01:57):
even in this case, you know there's a an off
duty police officer unfortunately was killed in this who was
doing security there. It's very difficult sometimes but you know,
the notification systems and buildings like this when this happens
are really important to help save lives once the shooting starts,
to get people to shelter in place and things like that.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, I saw a lot of sheltering in place. There's
pictures that have obviously made social media is where offices
you know, locked doors, stacked furniture up against it. So
there was some training and I guess who does that
the building people? Is that the corporations that train their
own individual employees. How does that training you know, translate
(02:37):
and get started.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, it comes down to the typically the companies within
those buildings. Every organization has a responsibility to provide safe
work environments for their employees and for the visitors at
their at their businesses. And part of that is to
learn the proper procedures or the best you know concepts
behind sheltering in place or fighting if you have to,
(02:58):
or if there's a way to escape to do that
as well. So it really falls on not so much
the building as it does the companies within it, but
the building itself. You know, with their security guards, they
should be trained as well as how to respond in
a little bit different manner. But it's really you know,
when you think about it, it comes down to individuals too.
We all at this point should know enough to know
(03:22):
what to do in these incidents, and if you don't,
it's time to start paying attention.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think anybody that's got
any leadership roles in companies listening right now ought to
be going. Are we prepared in our own situation? As
a swat commander when you enter a situation like this
forty story building, you get the call there's an active
shooter situation. You don't know what floor he's on. He's
obviously shot people in the lobby, but then he jumps
(03:48):
on this elevator and rides up to what could have been,
you know, any one of those floors. How do you
guys handle situations like that when it could still be
a situation as he goes up the floor is killing
people all the way up, you know, up to the top.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, it's it's a very challenging situation. You know, the
first priority is to stop the stop the killing, and
then and then when you come across injured, just to
help prevent them from dying. If you can stop the
bleeding and things like that. It does get very challenging
to figure out what floor they're going to. But this
is where a lot of you know, this is where
the security team at a at a complex really comes
(04:23):
into play because they can help give access to surveillance
systems and things like that so you can track where
they're coming from. And also you you frequently would get
phone calls of you know, what floor you want if
they hear people shooting on that floor. You get a
lot of nline calls. And that also is information that
has passed on to law enforcement to help them locate
the shooter.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
This was not going to end well for this guy,
and I would imagine he realized that he took his
own life. Does that? You know, when SWAT teams are
brought in seem to be a pretty common thing. Either
SWAT teams take them out or they take their own lives.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, they usually usually it's uh, I shouldn't say usually.
Typically you'll you'll find that they're either going to be
taken out by by law enforcement or they're going to
they're going to commit suicide. It's it's it's not it's
not something they're usually walking away from and they know
that going into this. This is part of the whole planning,
you know, Like you're saying this was a planned event.
He had planned from the very beginning what his actions
(05:22):
were going to do. He probably had it all planned
down to the exact route that he was going to take.
And clearly he knew its poor he was going to
so I imagine that he knew that once he was
going to accomplish. Ever, you know, however many people he
wanted to shoot or you know where he wanted to go,
he was going to end his life himself. I think
he had a plan and he was going to go
until he killed himself or he was killed by law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, you know, we talked about being prepared for something
like this when it does happen individually and as a company.
But in New York City it's tough to get gun permits.
I mean, they're one of the most liberal gun restricting
areas of our country. Here where a Democrat did not
waste any time coming out there saying this is the
fault of the Republicans because they're not buying into gun control.
(06:08):
Your thoughts on you know, good guys with guns versus
bad guys with guns does not make more sense that
you should allow good people to carry in situations like
this wherever they are, whether it's an office building or
you're going to you know, business or whatever. I mean
with situations, If you're armed, you're prepared.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Yeah, the statistics that I that I keep coming across
are showing that, you know, having restricted gun laws really
does not benefit anyone, and having the opportunity to have
people who could be armed to stop the incident has
a better likelihood of ending the event before anything happens.
So yeah, I tend to believe that when you have
these strong gun controls, you really don't are you know,
(06:51):
it's sort of counter productive to what you're trying to do.
It's it's really not saving people, it's actually causing a
greater likelihood of someone getting killed.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Well, gee, I appreciate your time this morning, Thanks for
weighing in with us, and we'll do it again sometime soon,
hopefully not you know, the same circumstance, But thank you.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
You got a JC. Thank you
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