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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jeff Gilson joins us now.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
He's an investigative author and also a former Margaret Thatcher
speech writer. Jeff, honored to have you with me this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Happy to be here and thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, this is interesting here. There's so many different theories
on what's going on with the Jeffrey Epstein saga. I'm
not sure we're ever going to get to the bottom
of this. It reminds me after what how many years, now,
fifty years, we're still talking about the jfk assassination.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Do we know the real truth?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And I think this is going to be another one
of those things here.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know, I talked to somebody earlier in the week
that this was a big blackmail scheme, you know, the
biggest blackmail scheme ever in the world, where Jeffrey Epstein
had film on everybody and had influence over so many people.
But now, and I've heard this too, this whole thing
about the covert arms and finance operations going on around
the world. So what do you think is happening here, Jeff,
(00:48):
behind the scenes of having parties and drinking with the
underage girls.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, it is a huge story, difficult to cover in
just a few minutes, but a couple of things to
begin with. First of all, think we all need to
pinch ourselves from the mind ourselves because over the next
few weeks in the runners, this is where continue to
be the headline story everywhere, whatever your politics, that the
story is not using the files. The story is not
(01:13):
the salacious details we must never forget. The story is
the abused victims. And this is all about finding some
emotional comfort for Domestropus. But my second point is, and
I hate to put it like this, having just made
the other point, I think we're all in for a
huge anti climax. Epstein and his files and his papers
and his documents have been around for a very long time.
(01:36):
Washington is the leakiest place on Earth. And let need
to say, although I sound British, I'm attacked American. And
I was born and raised born on a United States
Air Force base in London, lived there, and now live
in South Carolina by the way, just over the border
from Georgia. So we won't talk football, guys, because I'm
a big Georgia fan. Let's just both hope that Alabama
(01:57):
and Georgia get through to the playoffs and see what
happens there.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay, we digress, let's get back to the arms.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Res digress. We digress happily, but we digress. I mean
it's there's going to be a mass. I think it's
going to be a massive anti climation. And the problem
and the worry is at that point people say, well,
they had their fifty minutes, let's move on. Do not
move on? Epstein is a very complicated story and it's
not what people think. And I'm going to say a
(02:26):
couple of things that people may find controversial. I'll try
and keep it short and make it no stay with you.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
First of all, let me ask you. Can you stay
with me till the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I absolutely can.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Excellent, So take your time, you need to rush. I
want to hear all about what you believe is happening here.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I I this may seem digress, digressing bit of thought.
I'm a recovering alcoholic and now I've been clean and
sober for thirty one years. People are very thank you. Absolutely.
People are very fragile. Parents parameters are not diss anyone.
Children get very affected by things, and a lot of people,
(03:05):
I include myself, are broken and broken. People can go
a couple of ways. One is vulnerable like the victims
in the Epstein case, and the other as sociopath, and
that's Epstein. Epstein came from a good family, but it
was he had absent parents and he grew up somebody
who was well taken care of, but he wanted more,
(03:26):
very very clever, and his whole life was about trying
to be better than he was. One of the problems
with people like that when they're a bit sociopathic is
they don't try to lift up, they try to bring down.
And people say, well, yes, but he had all these
cameras and he was recording all this stuff, and they say,
I have been investigating these matters and networks which I
(03:47):
believe he was involved in for thirty seven years now
because my friend Hugh Simms, who is the subject of
my book Maggie's Hammer, he died as a result of
being involved in these networks. And these networks continue and
they Epstein. But what he was doing with all of
this recording was attendent upon his other stuff or wasn't
his primary focus. That's my contention. But why did he
(04:11):
do this? Because what it did was allowed him to
rub shoulders to the likes of Prince Andrew and Larry Summers, scientists, royalty,
rich people, and he could be on the same level
of them by offering them sex, bringing them down. But
the thing is, there is no evidence anywhere that he
ever used it for blackmail. It was his personal library
(04:35):
to put himself on the same level of other people,
though I don't think anyone else is saying that, and
it's kind of controversial, and I appreciate its controversial, and
I do not minimize the impact on the victims.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
So he brought to the table something that everybody wants,
and that is sex.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So he got this, he brought no No, he brought
to the table arms and muddy or during networks. So
what that's what he brought.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So is he running two different operations or are they
connected together? The arms you know in finance operations with
the sex and the young girls.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They're connected. And this is the way I put it
because I have witnessed it for thirty seven years of investigating,
witnessed this in action. People are very high powered, very ambitious,
very non instigated. But they're brought up and they're off
doing arms dealers and they're off doing money laundering and
they're affecting the world, and they're playing with power players
(05:35):
and so on. And I hate to put this, at
the end of the day, they engage in deviant sex
and Epstein takes it, records it all so that he's
got it on file, so that he's on the same
level as them. But there is no evidence of anyone,
a Clinton or a Trump or a Summers or anyone
making decisions that were against what they would normally do
(05:55):
because Epstein Epstein Black Mountain had a couple of decades
now and there has been no videos, no pictures on
the orb AI Picture Agency of people in compromising situations.
Even the picture of Prince Andrew with Virginia Giuffrey in
the townhouse is believed to be a fake by now.
(06:19):
If there was something out there, it would have been leaked.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Not a blackmail situation. You believe this.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
This was a bigger story than that, and it was
actually around finance operations and covert arms operations. Let you
mentioned Prince Andrew and all of this. Let's talk about it. Yes,
what you believe that relationship to be with Epstein and
how dirty is Prince Andrew?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Right? Very and let me just paint the picture here. Basically,
I cover all this in my book Maggie Sami, which
is easy to find at Amazon, and I paint a
picture of what was happening in the eighties. It all
goes back to the eighties in London. What happened was
market Thatcher took over a country that was broken by
the socialists, the public persons, empty industry was falling apart.
(07:03):
She had to recreate the industry. If she did that
by expanding the arms industry, we're now like number two,
number three arms export from the world. And she had
to remake the public person but literally pimping out Britain's
intelligence services, the military services around the world, and by
helping to encourage the city of London to become the
(07:25):
finance center for coort operations around the world, which it
still is. Epstein is in his thirties. He's not a
big person by now. He's been working with bear Stones.
He goes to London in the eighties. Probably many people
record this fact because that's where the action is, that's
where the dirty action is. He meets Armsteiners, he starts,
he starts arranging armsteels. He starts engaging in money laundering networks,
(07:50):
which was set up by the subject of my book,
Hughes Simmons, who was closely involved in Margatacher and the
British Conservative Party. Epstein met Robert Maxwell, who, in addition
to being a British billionaire publisher in arm steiling a
lot of arm steiling going on illcently in the eighties
because of the Iran Iraq War. Through Robert Maxwell, he
(08:14):
is recruited by Ariy Ben Mnashi, an Israeli intelligence officer
who is central towards in my book, in central to
what was going on in London at the time. Through
Robert Maxwell in the eighties, he meets Gilain Maxwell, who
becomes his girlfriend, and he introduces Epstein to Prince Andrew,
who is the sort of young rake Prince without Benny
(08:37):
prospect to.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It was Glaine Maxwell's father.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yes, absolutely, and Glaine introduced him to Prince Andrew, who
was a close friend of Glaine. The British upper class
are absolutely up to their necks in sex, deviant sex.
You go to country houses on the weekend and there
are literally members of the upper class pimping out their children.
That's what they do. Epstein didn't introduce Andrew to devian
(09:06):
sex Andrew introduced Epstein to Devian Sex. Then he comes
back from Europe to Lundon to New York and begins
his operation arms dealing, money laundering on the gathering of
deviant sex recording. So he's on the same level with
these people. But what he's doing is he's doing arms business,
(09:27):
and most of his contacts are about arms and covert business.
There are articles coming out at the moment which support
what I'm saying with Epstein a major figure in Israeli
intelligence as an asset arranging cyber deals with the Ivory Coast,
Mongolia back channels to Russias on and this is all
(09:48):
being missed. And this is the reason that the files
have not been released up until now. And this is
also the reason why Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Because Charlie
Kirk Haund announced that he he was going to be
looking into Edstein's contacts to Mossad.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Who was in charge of clamping this down and keeping
it quiet. Who's the head of the driver of this
mad bus to not let this happen.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He's the difficulty. I mean, I look for instance, at
President Trump, I look at President Buymen, I look at
President Obaan and I say either they were involved or
they were appreciative of the fact that this sort of
information being confirmed at an official level would undermine what
little trust remains by ordinary people in their government to
(10:34):
know that the governments of the West have been supporting
this since the eighties. It's all been about money. I
was asked the other day that ever end and said, no,
it doesn't. Look at this past week, Crown Prince Mohammad
is being entertained in Washington. Members of the media community
are outraged because they say he assassinated had assassinated a
(10:56):
Saudi Arabian journeys doesn't matter because what it is about business,
what Gaza and the peace Deal is about, is doing
business in the Middle East. Because Trump's peaceline has been
accepted of the United Nations, is now open season. That's
the very first thing President Trump does with Crown Prince
Muhammad signs an arms deal to sell F thirty five
(11:17):
to Saudi Arabia arms, very first thing he does.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, it's all about money, isn't it. It's always been
about money.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It's always about money. And the question I think you
may have answered, if not a large yet without you
asking it, is where do I think this is where
do I think this is going to end up? And
the answer is this information cannot come out. It will
not be allowed to come out. It will be it
will be denied because it would undermine trust in the government.
My special interest has been because it started in England,
(11:49):
is in England, but England is now thoroughly corrupted by
the arms industry. One in five people employed in Great
Britain is associated with the arms industry. Even the socialist
trades unions in Great Britain support the arms industry because
it hires so many of the people.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Jeff, as you exposed this in your book and talk
about this to me and others, are you fearful for
your safety?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yes, As I'm conducting this interview because this is how
I live my life, I'm facing a glass door. All
the other windows and doors in my apartment unlocked. I
am facing out. The window is open, and I have
next to me a block seventeen and that's where it sits.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, I really appreciate you sharing with us. What's the
name of the book once again, I cannot wait to
read it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's called Maggie's Hammer, as m Aggie apostrophe s my
name is Jeff Wilson Geoff. If you google either one
of those two, you will find the book, and I'd
love for.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You to buy well. I can't wait for the movie too.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean, good night, You've got a lot of stuff
here and I would love to have you back at
some point too, to talk more about this.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I'd love to come back. You know who to contact.
They'll arrange for me to come on. I'd love to
be up.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I'd love to see how brother and Alahamas is well. Listen,
good luck to your Georgia bulldogs and roll Tide and
he is
Jeff Gilson joins us now.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
He's an investigative author and also a former Margaret Thatcher
speech writer. Jeff, honored to have you with me this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Happy to be here and thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, this is interesting here. There's so many different theories
on what's going on with the Jeffrey Epstein saga. I'm
not sure we're ever going to get to the bottom
of this. It reminds me after what how many years, now,
fifty years, we're still talking about the jfk assassination.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Do we know the real truth?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And I think this is going to be another one
of those things here.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know, I talked to somebody earlier in the week
that this was a big blackmail scheme, you know, the
biggest blackmail scheme ever in the world, where Jeffrey Epstein
had film on everybody and had influence over so many people.
But now, and I've heard this too, this whole thing
about the covert arms and finance operations going on around
the world. So what do you think is happening here, Jeff,
(00:48):
behind the scenes of having parties and drinking with the
underage girls.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, it is a huge story, difficult to cover in
just a few minutes, but a couple of things to
begin with. First of all, think we all need to
pinch ourselves from the mind ourselves because over the next
few weeks in the runners, this is where continue to
be the headline story everywhere, whatever your politics, that the
story is not using the files. The story is not
(01:13):
the salacious details we must never forget. The story is
the abused victims. And this is all about finding some
emotional comfort for Domestropus. But my second point is, and
I hate to put it like this, having just made
the other point, I think we're all in for a
huge anti climax. Epstein and his files and his papers
and his documents have been around for a very long time.
(01:36):
Washington is the leakiest place on Earth. And let need
to say, although I sound British, I'm attacked American. And
I was born and raised born on a United States
Air Force base in London, lived there, and now live
in South Carolina by the way, just over the border
from Georgia. So we won't talk football, guys, because I'm
a big Georgia fan. Let's just both hope that Alabama
(01:57):
and Georgia get through to the playoffs and see what
happens there.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Okay, we digress, let's get back to the arms.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Res digress. We digress happily, but we digress. I mean
it's there's going to be a mass. I think it's
going to be a massive anti climation. And the problem
and the worry is at that point people say, well,
they had their fifty minutes, let's move on. Do not
move on? Epstein is a very complicated story and it's
not what people think. And I'm going to say a
(02:26):
couple of things that people may find controversial. I'll try
and keep it short and make it no stay with you.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
First of all, let me ask you. Can you stay
with me till the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I absolutely can.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Excellent, So take your time, you need to rush. I
want to hear all about what you believe is happening here.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
I I this may seem digress, digressing bit of thought.
I'm a recovering alcoholic and now I've been clean and
sober for thirty one years. People are very thank you. Absolutely.
People are very fragile. Parents parameters are not diss anyone.
Children get very affected by things, and a lot of people,
(03:05):
I include myself, are broken and broken. People can go
a couple of ways. One is vulnerable like the victims
in the Epstein case, and the other as sociopath, and
that's Epstein. Epstein came from a good family, but it
was he had absent parents and he grew up somebody
who was well taken care of, but he wanted more,
(03:26):
very very clever, and his whole life was about trying
to be better than he was. One of the problems
with people like that when they're a bit sociopathic is
they don't try to lift up, they try to bring down.
And people say, well, yes, but he had all these
cameras and he was recording all this stuff, and they say,
I have been investigating these matters and networks which I
(03:47):
believe he was involved in for thirty seven years now
because my friend Hugh Simms, who is the subject of
my book Maggie's Hammer, he died as a result of
being involved in these networks. And these networks continue and
they Epstein. But what he was doing with all of
this recording was attendent upon his other stuff or wasn't
his primary focus. That's my contention. But why did he
(04:11):
do this? Because what it did was allowed him to
rub shoulders to the likes of Prince Andrew and Larry Summers, scientists, royalty,
rich people, and he could be on the same level
of them by offering them sex, bringing them down. But
the thing is, there is no evidence anywhere that he
ever used it for blackmail. It was his personal library
(04:35):
to put himself on the same level of other people,
though I don't think anyone else is saying that, and
it's kind of controversial, and I appreciate its controversial, and
I do not minimize the impact on the victims.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
So he brought to the table something that everybody wants,
and that is sex.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
So he got this, he brought no No, he brought
to the table arms and muddy or during networks. So
what that's what he brought.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So is he running two different operations or are they
connected together? The arms you know in finance operations with
the sex and the young girls.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They're connected. And this is the way I put it
because I have witnessed it for thirty seven years of investigating,
witnessed this in action. People are very high powered, very ambitious,
very non instigated. But they're brought up and they're off
doing arms dealers and they're off doing money laundering and
they're affecting the world, and they're playing with power players
(05:35):
and so on. And I hate to put this, at
the end of the day, they engage in deviant sex
and Epstein takes it, records it all so that he's
got it on file, so that he's on the same
level as them. But there is no evidence of anyone,
a Clinton or a Trump or a Summers or anyone
making decisions that were against what they would normally do
(05:55):
because Epstein Epstein Black Mountain had a couple of decades
now and there has been no videos, no pictures on
the orb AI Picture Agency of people in compromising situations.
Even the picture of Prince Andrew with Virginia Giuffrey in
the townhouse is believed to be a fake by now.
(06:19):
If there was something out there, it would have been leaked.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Not a blackmail situation. You believe this.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
This was a bigger story than that, and it was
actually around finance operations and covert arms operations. Let you
mentioned Prince Andrew and all of this. Let's talk about it. Yes,
what you believe that relationship to be with Epstein and
how dirty is Prince Andrew?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Right? Very and let me just paint the picture here. Basically,
I cover all this in my book Maggie Sami, which
is easy to find at Amazon, and I paint a
picture of what was happening in the eighties. It all
goes back to the eighties in London. What happened was
market Thatcher took over a country that was broken by
the socialists, the public persons, empty industry was falling apart.
(07:03):
She had to recreate the industry. If she did that
by expanding the arms industry, we're now like number two,
number three arms export from the world. And she had
to remake the public person but literally pimping out Britain's
intelligence services, the military services around the world, and by
helping to encourage the city of London to become the
(07:25):
finance center for coort operations around the world, which it
still is. Epstein is in his thirties. He's not a
big person by now. He's been working with bear Stones.
He goes to London in the eighties. Probably many people
record this fact because that's where the action is, that's
where the dirty action is. He meets Armsteiners, he starts,
he starts arranging armsteels. He starts engaging in money laundering networks,
(07:50):
which was set up by the subject of my book,
Hughes Simmons, who was closely involved in Margatacher and the
British Conservative Party. Epstein met Robert Maxwell, who, in addition
to being a British billionaire publisher in arm steiling a
lot of arm steiling going on illcently in the eighties
because of the Iran Iraq War. Through Robert Maxwell, he
(08:14):
is recruited by Ariy Ben Mnashi, an Israeli intelligence officer
who is central towards in my book, in central to
what was going on in London at the time. Through
Robert Maxwell in the eighties, he meets Gilain Maxwell, who
becomes his girlfriend, and he introduces Epstein to Prince Andrew,
who is the sort of young rake Prince without Benny
(08:37):
prospect to.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
It was Glaine Maxwell's father.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yes, absolutely, and Glaine introduced him to Prince Andrew, who
was a close friend of Glaine. The British upper class
are absolutely up to their necks in sex, deviant sex.
You go to country houses on the weekend and there
are literally members of the upper class pimping out their children.
That's what they do. Epstein didn't introduce Andrew to devian
(09:06):
sex Andrew introduced Epstein to Devian Sex. Then he comes
back from Europe to Lundon to New York and begins
his operation arms dealing, money laundering on the gathering of
deviant sex recording. So he's on the same level with
these people. But what he's doing is he's doing arms business,
(09:27):
and most of his contacts are about arms and covert business.
There are articles coming out at the moment which support
what I'm saying with Epstein a major figure in Israeli
intelligence as an asset arranging cyber deals with the Ivory Coast,
Mongolia back channels to Russias on and this is all
(09:48):
being missed. And this is the reason that the files
have not been released up until now. And this is
also the reason why Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Because Charlie
Kirk Haund announced that he he was going to be
looking into Edstein's contacts to Mossad.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Who was in charge of clamping this down and keeping
it quiet. Who's the head of the driver of this
mad bus to not let this happen.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He's the difficulty. I mean, I look for instance, at
President Trump, I look at President Buymen, I look at
President Obaan and I say either they were involved or
they were appreciative of the fact that this sort of
information being confirmed at an official level would undermine what
little trust remains by ordinary people in their government to
(10:34):
know that the governments of the West have been supporting
this since the eighties. It's all been about money. I
was asked the other day that ever end and said, no,
it doesn't. Look at this past week, Crown Prince Mohammad
is being entertained in Washington. Members of the media community
are outraged because they say he assassinated had assassinated a
(10:56):
Saudi Arabian journeys doesn't matter because what it is about business,
what Gaza and the peace Deal is about, is doing
business in the Middle East. Because Trump's peaceline has been
accepted of the United Nations, is now open season. That's
the very first thing President Trump does with Crown Prince
Muhammad signs an arms deal to sell F thirty five
(11:17):
to Saudi Arabia arms, very first thing he does.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, it's all about money, isn't it. It's always been
about money.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It's always about money. And the question I think you
may have answered, if not a large yet without you
asking it, is where do I think this is where
do I think this is going to end up? And
the answer is this information cannot come out. It will
not be allowed to come out. It will be it
will be denied because it would undermine trust in the government.
My special interest has been because it started in England,
(11:49):
is in England, but England is now thoroughly corrupted by
the arms industry. One in five people employed in Great
Britain is associated with the arms industry. Even the socialist
trades unions in Great Britain support the arms industry because
it hires so many of the people.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Jeff, as you exposed this in your book and talk
about this to me and others, are you fearful for
your safety?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yes, As I'm conducting this interview because this is how
I live my life, I'm facing a glass door. All
the other windows and doors in my apartment unlocked. I
am facing out. The window is open, and I have
next to me a block seventeen and that's where it sits.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Well, I really appreciate you sharing with us. What's the
name of the book once again, I cannot wait to
read it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
It's called Maggie's Hammer, as m Aggie apostrophe s my
name is Jeff Wilson Geoff. If you google either one
of those two, you will find the book, and I'd
love for.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You to buy well. I can't wait for the movie too.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I mean, good night, You've got a lot of stuff
here and I would love to have you back at
some point too, to talk more about this.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I'd love to come back. You know who to contact.
They'll arrange for me to come on. I'd love to
be up.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I'd love to see how brother and Alahamas is well. Listen,
good luck to your Georgia bulldogs and roll Tide and
he is
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