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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Alabama's Morning News. My name is John
Mounts filling in for JT. And with the rise of
AI worldwide a tool that America invented, mind you, many
things China is trying to co opt and this is
just another one of them. Joining me now to talk
about this is doctor J. Michael Waller. He's the Senior
Analyst for Strategy at the Center for Security Policy in DC.
(00:20):
He authored the Code and Country Securing America's AI League
before China locks down the future, Doctor Waller, Welcome to
Alabama's Morning News.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The genie is pretty much out of the bottle. What
should we do in order to maintain our dominance of
AI or is it too late? Have we already lost it?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
No, it's not too late. We're running neck and neck now,
and it's only because President Trump just pulled away a
lot of the bureaucratic red tape and regulations that were
holding us back. I mean, if you can believe it,
the Biden administration was holding up our AI advances based
on labor union pandering and DEI. So you know who
(01:01):
benefits when that happened.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Not us.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
No, and one of his first taxes. President was to
rip away all of that stuff. He came up with
a strategy White House did last July. Anybody was already
implementing the strategy before that, working with industry. So he's
you know, there's a lot of room for optimism here,
but we are in a pretty tight spot.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The Chinese government. What they'd like to do is they,
time and time again, we see that here in America,
we develop a product and then they say, well, if
you're going to sell your product here, we have to
examine it. And by examining it, we need all the
plans and everything it takes to make the product, and
we willfully go, okay, here it all is. And then
China turns around and makes their own version of it
and then sells it back to us at a huge discount,
(01:45):
because of course they can use slave labor to design
the product. And I guess is this another example of that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, yeah, not just slave labor to do it, but
stealing our technology to begin with. So when you think
of these Chinese Communist Party people who come here here
as graduate students to work on our research and development
programs all across the high tech area, engineering, mathematics, hard sciences,
you name it. They're here not simply to study, They're
(02:12):
here to spy and take the technology home.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And that's I think one of the reasons why we
are so concerned about TikTok and Byte Dance's involvement with TikTok.
It's not the platform in and of itself, it's the
fact that the Chinese Communist government was insinuated into every
aspect of the operation of companies within China, including places
like byte Dance, because they the government. Now the Chinese
(02:39):
government has all that forget it about the American government
having it. The Chinese government has all that information they're
able to gain and we don't even realize how much
information that they are gaining from because you know, they
could open the mic on your device, they could open
the camera on your device. Who knows what information they
could be gathering when they're in charge of the company.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And you say, well, they're just watching kids or they're
watching young people. Know what they're doing is they're learning behavior.
They're learning speech patterns, expressions, facial expressions, all kinds of things.
And what that is doing is that is training AI
in China to be used against us. So he I
(03:16):
don't know if you saw last last month or so,
the Chinese regime, the military unveiled a fleet of autonomous
wolf drones, military wolf drones that can launch marine invasions.
And this is just the primitive stuff that's coming out.
If you can imagine the humanoid robots that they have,
(03:38):
military robots that they call super soldiers. The stuff that's
made in China goes right back to Chinese servers and
are used by the military to train their military robots.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And it always seems like it's a kind of a
one way street with this sort of thing. Tell me
about I saw this in your piece. I thought it
was actually the Great Firewall of China. Explain what you
mean by that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The Chinese this Party hired American companies to build what
was called the Great Firewall of China that was an
electronic firewall to ensure that all Internet activity in China
could be censored, so there would not be the you know,
the free access to information that everybody else has in
(04:18):
the rest of the world. It was American companies that
built the Chinese Communist Party's censorship system. And if you
wanted to have databases or literature or say it, you know,
to sell things in China. It was all subjects to
these party party created censorship laws.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think one of the real problems we have is
that we are not considering we are not We are
applying our American way of thinking, in our American logic
to the way they do things in China, not realizing
they have a very different culture and a very different
way of operating their government. We think about free speech here,
and we think about the way that well, you know,
all ideas are welcome and we should share and share
(04:56):
a like. They don't think that way, and they use
our our way of thinking like that against us to
find ways to dominate us, first in the marketplace and
then on the global scale, like you said, defense and
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
This is something that Americans always do. We tended to
mirror image the Soviet Union. It's like, well, they love
their children too well, they wouldn't never cause problems because
they're just like us, and we can reason with them
and have agreements with them. That's not how one party
dictatorships work. It's whatever benefits keeping that click in power.
So you don't have any recourse to this. You can't
(05:34):
take them to court in China and expect to win.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Doctor Roler, would you liken what's going on with the
AI race now to what was happening in the nineteen
sixties with the space race and replace Soviet Union with China.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Absolutely, But it's even more grave than that, because the
space race was really about building larger missiles that could
deliver larger nuclear warheads so that we could attack one
another and then secondary to dominate space through satellites and
so forth. I mean, had we not won that space
race and had this so the Union been able to
win that and control satellites and then therefore become an
(06:11):
economic power on its own and not collapse the way
it did, we would have been in big trouble. But
just imagine the power of artificial intelligence when you're building
machines that can think on their own.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
We all saw the movie Terminators.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You're going to have machines that are
going to be interpreting law. You already do machines that
can be diagnosing people, But now think of machines that
are programmed to think this person is not worth saving,
or let's prescribe this person something that won't save the
person's life, but really will hasten death because this person
is just a parasite. I mean, it's going to completely
(06:47):
devalue human life. And if you have an AI system
that's built on the ethics of the Chinese Communist Party,
it's already bad enough that it's built on Silicon Valley
ethics in San Francisco, imagine Chinese Communist Party epics. We're
going to have no recourse to that. And if China
becomes dominant TODAI, then the international standards for AI are
(07:12):
going to be subject to a lot of what the
Chinese Communist Party wants, and that includes logic, that includes ethics,
that includes everything else to go with it. And then
you have when they're stealing our technology as you noted before,
and then undercutting American companies, they're going to put those
companies out.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Of business, Doctor Waller. It sounds like the main thing
we need to do as Americans then is support our
administration in their efforts to try and quell what China
is already underway doing and create those maybe to reconstruct
the Great Firewall of China and once again keep China
out of our business and try and once again establish
(07:51):
our superiority. Just like that space race, but the AI race,
so that we can once again rule the world, because
I believe a strong America is good for the whole world,
not just Americans.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Absolutely, And also there's another parallel to when you raised
with the Soviet space race. The Chinese Communist Party is fragile.
It looks big and scary like the Soviet Union did.
And most people were afraid of what Reagan was doing
to hasten the peaceful collapse of the USSR. But look
at all the good that came out of it, if
only we had continued it and not messed up the
(08:24):
aftermath of that. There's a way to help hasten the
collapse of the Chinese Communist Party. It's just we have
to have a strategy for it. Actually people have written
strategies about it. But we shouldn't give the next generation
the problems that the Chinese Communist Party presents us now,
because they're going to be doomed. So part of becoming
(08:45):
AI dominance is also helping to hasten the collapse of
the Chinese Communist Party and help China become a free country.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Doctor J. Michael Waller, the senior analyst for Strategy at
the Center for Security policy in DC. Thank you so
much for your Morning US this morning on Alabama's Morning News.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Oh, at any time, I'm glad to
Welcome back to Alabama's Morning News. My name is John
Mounts filling in for JT. And with the rise of
AI worldwide a tool that America invented, mind you, many
things China is trying to co opt and this is
just another one of them. Joining me now to talk
about this is doctor J. Michael Waller. He's the Senior
Analyst for Strategy at the Center for Security Policy in DC.
(00:20):
He authored the Code and Country Securing America's AI League
before China locks down the future, Doctor Waller, Welcome to
Alabama's Morning News.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Good to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The genie is pretty much out of the bottle. What
should we do in order to maintain our dominance of
AI or is it too late? Have we already lost it?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
No, it's not too late. We're running neck and neck now,
and it's only because President Trump just pulled away a
lot of the bureaucratic red tape and regulations that were
holding us back. I mean, if you can believe it,
the Biden administration was holding up our AI advances based
on labor union pandering and DEI. So you know who
(01:01):
benefits when that happened.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Not us.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
No, and one of his first taxes. President was to
rip away all of that stuff. He came up with
a strategy White House did last July. Anybody was already
implementing the strategy before that, working with industry. So he's
you know, there's a lot of room for optimism here,
but we are in a pretty tight spot.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
The Chinese government. What they'd like to do is they,
time and time again, we see that here in America,
we develop a product and then they say, well, if
you're going to sell your product here, we have to
examine it. And by examining it, we need all the
plans and everything it takes to make the product, and
we willfully go, okay, here it all is. And then
China turns around and makes their own version of it
and then sells it back to us at a huge discount,
(01:45):
because of course they can use slave labor to design
the product. And I guess is this another example of that.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, yeah, not just slave labor to do it, but
stealing our technology to begin with. So when you think
of these Chinese Communist Party people who come here here
as graduate students to work on our research and development
programs all across the high tech area, engineering, mathematics, hard sciences,
you name it. They're here not simply to study, They're
(02:12):
here to spy and take the technology home.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
And that's I think one of the reasons why we
are so concerned about TikTok and Byte Dance's involvement with TikTok.
It's not the platform in and of itself, it's the
fact that the Chinese Communist government was insinuated into every
aspect of the operation of companies within China, including places
like byte Dance, because they the government. Now the Chinese
(02:39):
government has all that forget it about the American government
having it. The Chinese government has all that information they're
able to gain and we don't even realize how much
information that they are gaining from because you know, they
could open the mic on your device, they could open
the camera on your device. Who knows what information they
could be gathering when they're in charge of the company.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
And you say, well, they're just watching kids or they're
watching young people. Know what they're doing is they're learning behavior.
They're learning speech patterns, expressions, facial expressions, all kinds of things.
And what that is doing is that is training AI
in China to be used against us. So he I
(03:16):
don't know if you saw last last month or so,
the Chinese regime, the military unveiled a fleet of autonomous
wolf drones, military wolf drones that can launch marine invasions.
And this is just the primitive stuff that's coming out.
If you can imagine the humanoid robots that they have,
(03:38):
military robots that they call super soldiers. The stuff that's
made in China goes right back to Chinese servers and
are used by the military to train their military robots.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And it always seems like it's a kind of a
one way street with this sort of thing. Tell me
about I saw this in your piece. I thought it
was actually the Great Firewall of China. Explain what you
mean by that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The Chinese this Party hired American companies to build what
was called the Great Firewall of China that was an
electronic firewall to ensure that all Internet activity in China
could be censored, so there would not be the you know,
the free access to information that everybody else has in
(04:18):
the rest of the world. It was American companies that
built the Chinese Communist Party's censorship system. And if you
wanted to have databases or literature or say it, you know,
to sell things in China. It was all subjects to
these party party created censorship laws.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I think one of the real problems we have is
that we are not considering we are not We are
applying our American way of thinking, in our American logic
to the way they do things in China, not realizing
they have a very different culture and a very different
way of operating their government. We think about free speech here,
and we think about the way that well, you know,
all ideas are welcome and we should share and share
(04:56):
a like. They don't think that way, and they use
our our way of thinking like that against us to
find ways to dominate us, first in the marketplace and
then on the global scale, like you said, defense and
that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
This is something that Americans always do. We tended to
mirror image the Soviet Union. It's like, well, they love
their children too well, they wouldn't never cause problems because
they're just like us, and we can reason with them
and have agreements with them. That's not how one party
dictatorships work. It's whatever benefits keeping that click in power.
So you don't have any recourse to this. You can't
(05:34):
take them to court in China and expect to win.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Doctor Roler, would you liken what's going on with the
AI race now to what was happening in the nineteen
sixties with the space race and replace Soviet Union with China.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Absolutely, But it's even more grave than that, because the
space race was really about building larger missiles that could
deliver larger nuclear warheads so that we could attack one
another and then secondary to dominate space through satellites and
so forth. I mean, had we not won that space
race and had this so the Union been able to
win that and control satellites and then therefore become an
(06:11):
economic power on its own and not collapse the way
it did, we would have been in big trouble. But
just imagine the power of artificial intelligence when you're building
machines that can think on their own.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
We all saw the movie Terminators.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. You're going to have machines that are
going to be interpreting law. You already do machines that
can be diagnosing people, But now think of machines that
are programmed to think this person is not worth saving,
or let's prescribe this person something that won't save the
person's life, but really will hasten death because this person
is just a parasite. I mean, it's going to completely
(06:47):
devalue human life. And if you have an AI system
that's built on the ethics of the Chinese Communist Party,
it's already bad enough that it's built on Silicon Valley
ethics in San Francisco, imagine Chinese Communist Party epics. We're
going to have no recourse to that. And if China
becomes dominant TODAI, then the international standards for AI are
(07:12):
going to be subject to a lot of what the
Chinese Communist Party wants, and that includes logic, that includes ethics,
that includes everything else to go with it. And then
you have when they're stealing our technology as you noted before,
and then undercutting American companies, they're going to put those
companies out.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Of business, Doctor Waller. It sounds like the main thing
we need to do as Americans then is support our
administration in their efforts to try and quell what China
is already underway doing and create those maybe to reconstruct
the Great Firewall of China and once again keep China
out of our business and try and once again establish
(07:51):
our superiority. Just like that space race, but the AI race,
so that we can once again rule the world, because
I believe a strong America is good for the whole world,
not just Americans.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Absolutely, And also there's another parallel to when you raised
with the Soviet space race. The Chinese Communist Party is fragile.
It looks big and scary like the Soviet Union did.
And most people were afraid of what Reagan was doing
to hasten the peaceful collapse of the USSR. But look
at all the good that came out of it, if
only we had continued it and not messed up the
(08:24):
aftermath of that. There's a way to help hasten the
collapse of the Chinese Communist Party. It's just we have
to have a strategy for it. Actually people have written
strategies about it. But we shouldn't give the next generation
the problems that the Chinese Communist Party presents us now,
because they're going to be doomed. So part of becoming
(08:45):
AI dominance is also helping to hasten the collapse of
the Chinese Communist Party and help China become a free country.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Doctor J. Michael Waller, the senior analyst for Strategy at
the Center for Security policy in DC. Thank you so
much for your Morning US this morning on Alabama's Morning News.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Oh, at any time, I'm glad to
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