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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Join us now to talk a little bit more about
where we are now with the Hamas and Israel and
moving forward after the peace deal has been cut. Asaf Ramarowski,
who is a PhD and Midi scholar, welcome in osof
glad to have you back with me.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You know, I would have liked to have seen more
live hostages return, but the fact remains there are dead
hostages now being returned. I think seven so far, but
there are more to be returned. The deal has been cut.
It was a huge historical move by so many people
that were involved, but Donald Trump seemed to be the
navigator in this entire process, along with Benjamin Att and
(00:35):
Yahoo and Middle East Partners as well. But the Hamas
released the hostages. There was a twenty point list of
things that were the demands to get this done. Hamas
has not agree to all of them. They've come out
and said we don't want to disarm. They're slow to
return these hostages. But moving forward, thoughts of what's next Gaza,
(00:56):
who's going to run, who's going to redevelop it? About
Hamas going away for a while and coming back like
whack a mole, Your thoughts on where we are right
now in this process and where you believe it's going
to end up months down the road, years down the road.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, you're asking all the right questions. I mean, we
have a lot of unknowns and there's a lot of trepidation.
I mean you're already seeing now even that the bodies
that were returned yesterday, according to the forensic units in Israel,
one of the bodies that were returned were not a
body of any hostage. And they've played this game before Hamas.
They when we had the whole Bevus exchange, which was
(01:36):
also horrific. I mean, so on the one hand, you
had this monumentous event where you had family reunifications, which
is historic to see all these people unite after two
years being in the gates and the tunnels of Hell,
which is great. And Trump started a process the idea
(01:58):
that Hamas is going to give up at ideology disarm.
You're already seeing them bulk at all of that, and
that's the big question. Who is going to govern Gaza.
I do think that we have a positively the patrons
of Hamas, which is a lot of where the pressure
allowed us to come together, being Turkey and cutter that
(02:21):
helped allow us to take place. I do think that
there is a possibility as far as you know Trump's
skulls as far as expanding the Abraham Accords. We are
seeing Indonesia making noises, and particularly we're seeing Saudi Arabia
Saudis predicated they're involvement on the ending the war, and
I think of the Saudis will indeed invest in trying
(02:45):
to put money and rehabilitating Gaza. But I don't see
in the current situation accepting Hamas, accepting any kind of
international force coming in there, run by Tony Blair others.
And the big challenge still remains, how do you disentangle
Hamas from Palestinian society. They're already running around the streets
(03:07):
of Gaza since the IDF left, and they're doing public
executions all over the place, and so that's exactly who
you're dealing with. And Israel, in exchange for all of this,
will not forget. They just released close to two thousand
active live terrorists who are going to go back and
fortify the bench.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, it's in their DNA. I mean, I remember
I was watching a new film out that came out
just last week that filmmaker put together, Dinesh de Suzan,
and it shows footage of Hamas going into Israel and
shooting these people, and then they call their parents and
they're bragging about it, and the parents are like, yo,
(03:48):
yelling to his wife. He killed so many of them.
He's a hero. I mean, it's in their DNA to
do this. So I don't see them. You know, the
ideology you mentioned is not going to go away here.
But President Trump has said, look, you're going to disarm
and this is going to stop or else. Listen to
what the President had to say about this. He was
asked about this by a reporter.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I would take Hamas to disarm, and can you guarantee
that it's going to happen disarmed?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And because they said they were going to disarm, and
if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. How you
do that?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't have to explain that to you.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But if they don't disarm, we will disarm them.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They know I'm not playing games, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That clip right there. I mean the president does what
he says. He's not just out there with the rhetoric
and discussion to get people to maybe change their mind
on things. He means business here. So what happens if,
in fact, Hamas doesn't comply with the demands to disarm
and you know, start acting, you know, decent again, and
President Trump does take action. How is the rest of
(04:50):
the middle He's going to react to that? Are we
starting to see as you mentioned, Saudi Arabia and other
people are starting to go like, okay, we're going to
facilitate things in the right direction here. But you know,
I haven't heard a peep out of Iran since all
of this came.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Down, right, I mean, and that's a very critical point.
I mean, the Iranians who have been the mastermind and
the number one funders of ten to seven, they're happy
because the attention is not on them, and so they're
able to deflect at this point. But they too are
continuing their jihadi eliminationist ideology to continue developing nuclear arms
(05:27):
and developing ways to attack Israel in the United States.
I mean, so the war is not over. I think
that there is a greater coalition of states who understand
that there is a need to end this and to
create come and have beneficial it is, but we're not
there yet. And I think that to Trump's point. Look,
Israel has backed off, but they still control about fifty
(05:52):
four fifty six percent of the gaysa strip. I mean
the number one issue is that, I mean, they have
not forgotten the lessons of ten to seven, and they
need to say they need to secure the border, the
southern border of Israel. And so if Hamas will refuse
to this arm, then we know what's going to happen.
And I think that what was very significant in the
(06:14):
sense that we saw during the Iran war, the war,
the battle of the warworth Iran in the summer, what
we saw now when Trump addressed the Israeli parliament is
that the world is watching the Hamas is seeing that
the US and Israel are I did on the same page.
And I think that that is showing in contrast to
(06:36):
previous administration, that there are no cracks here and so
there is a sense of working together between the Tanyau
and Trump. They're on the same page, and he will
give them a green light to do what's needed if
they does not move forward in that right direction now quickly.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The need for these Middle Eastern countries on the sidelines
that are watching all of this, How important is it
that they comply and start to come around with the
ideology and belief to support Israeli in the United States
in this effort to destroy terrorism there.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I think in a positive note, I mean, really, the
region has shifted over the past thirty years. We saw
it with the attacks on Iran, where you saw countries
in the our world coming together, the Jordanians, the Egyptians,
even the Saudis, understanding that you know, for example, Iran
is the greatest destabilizing factor in the region at large,
and they were working with the Israelis, and so they
(07:32):
understand that the region is shifting, and there is more
of an appreciation that israel Is as an added of
value versus a so called liability. In that regard, I
think that they understand that there are these non state
jihadi actors like the Jutis, like Hamas, like Isballah, who's
(07:53):
been you know, again taking care of by the Israelis.
I continue to do so, and I think that there
is a benefit to working together with them. So in
that regard, I think that there is an understanding and
the hope is that you get more countries to join.
We have more normalization with Israel than we have thirty
years ago and that can be positive for the region
(08:15):
at Largin for its stability.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Very good, well, I appreciate your insight this morning. Thanks
for being with me asof Framrosky PhD in a mid
E scholar. Thank you, sir, Thank you,
Join us now to talk a little bit more about
where we are now with the Hamas and Israel and
moving forward after the peace deal has been cut. Asaf Ramarowski,
who is a PhD and Midi scholar, welcome in osof
glad to have you back with me.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
You know, I would have liked to have seen more
live hostages return, but the fact remains there are dead
hostages now being returned. I think seven so far, but
there are more to be returned. The deal has been cut.
It was a huge historical move by so many people
that were involved, but Donald Trump seemed to be the
navigator in this entire process, along with Benjamin Att and
(00:35):
Yahoo and Middle East Partners as well. But the Hamas
released the hostages. There was a twenty point list of
things that were the demands to get this done. Hamas
has not agree to all of them. They've come out
and said we don't want to disarm. They're slow to
return these hostages. But moving forward, thoughts of what's next Gaza,
(00:56):
who's going to run, who's going to redevelop it? About
Hamas going away for a while and coming back like
whack a mole, Your thoughts on where we are right
now in this process and where you believe it's going
to end up months down the road, years down the road.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well, you're asking all the right questions. I mean, we
have a lot of unknowns and there's a lot of trepidation.
I mean you're already seeing now even that the bodies
that were returned yesterday, according to the forensic units in Israel,
one of the bodies that were returned were not a
body of any hostage. And they've played this game before Hamas.
They when we had the whole Bevus exchange, which was
(01:36):
also horrific. I mean, so on the one hand, you
had this monumentous event where you had family reunifications, which
is historic to see all these people unite after two
years being in the gates and the tunnels of Hell,
which is great. And Trump started a process the idea
(01:58):
that Hamas is going to give up at ideology disarm.
You're already seeing them bulk at all of that, and
that's the big question. Who is going to govern Gaza.
I do think that we have a positively the patrons
of Hamas, which is a lot of where the pressure
allowed us to come together, being Turkey and cutter that
(02:21):
helped allow us to take place. I do think that
there is a possibility as far as you know Trump's
skulls as far as expanding the Abraham Accords. We are
seeing Indonesia making noises, and particularly we're seeing Saudi Arabia
Saudis predicated they're involvement on the ending the war, and
I think of the Saudis will indeed invest in trying
(02:45):
to put money and rehabilitating Gaza. But I don't see
in the current situation accepting Hamas, accepting any kind of
international force coming in there, run by Tony Blair others.
And the big challenge still remains, how do you disentangle
Hamas from Palestinian society. They're already running around the streets
(03:07):
of Gaza since the IDF left, and they're doing public
executions all over the place, and so that's exactly who
you're dealing with. And Israel, in exchange for all of this,
will not forget. They just released close to two thousand
active live terrorists who are going to go back and
fortify the bench.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, it's in their DNA. I mean, I remember
I was watching a new film out that came out
just last week that filmmaker put together, Dinesh de Suzan,
and it shows footage of Hamas going into Israel and
shooting these people, and then they call their parents and
they're bragging about it, and the parents are like, yo,
(03:48):
yelling to his wife. He killed so many of them.
He's a hero. I mean, it's in their DNA to
do this. So I don't see them. You know, the
ideology you mentioned is not going to go away here.
But President Trump has said, look, you're going to disarm
and this is going to stop or else. Listen to
what the President had to say about this. He was
asked about this by a reporter.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I would take Hamas to disarm, and can you guarantee
that it's going to happen disarmed?
Speaker 1 (04:15):
And because they said they were going to disarm, and
if they don't disarm, we will disarm them. How you
do that?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I don't have to explain that to you.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
But if they don't disarm, we will disarm them.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
They know I'm not playing games, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That clip right there. I mean the president does what
he says. He's not just out there with the rhetoric
and discussion to get people to maybe change their mind
on things. He means business here. So what happens if,
in fact, Hamas doesn't comply with the demands to disarm
and you know, start acting, you know, decent again, and
President Trump does take action. How is the rest of
(04:50):
the middle He's going to react to that? Are we
starting to see as you mentioned, Saudi Arabia and other
people are starting to go like, okay, we're going to
facilitate things in the right direction here. But you know,
I haven't heard a peep out of Iran since all
of this came.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Down, right, I mean, and that's a very critical point.
I mean, the Iranians who have been the mastermind and
the number one funders of ten to seven, they're happy
because the attention is not on them, and so they're
able to deflect at this point. But they too are
continuing their jihadi eliminationist ideology to continue developing nuclear arms
(05:27):
and developing ways to attack Israel in the United States.
I mean, so the war is not over. I think
that there is a greater coalition of states who understand
that there is a need to end this and to
create come and have beneficial it is, but we're not
there yet. And I think that to Trump's point. Look,
Israel has backed off, but they still control about fifty
(05:52):
four fifty six percent of the gaysa strip. I mean
the number one issue is that, I mean, they have
not forgotten the lessons of ten to seven, and they
need to say they need to secure the border, the
southern border of Israel. And so if Hamas will refuse
to this arm, then we know what's going to happen.
And I think that what was very significant in the
(06:14):
sense that we saw during the Iran war, the war,
the battle of the warworth Iran in the summer, what
we saw now when Trump addressed the Israeli parliament is
that the world is watching the Hamas is seeing that
the US and Israel are I did on the same page.
And I think that that is showing in contrast to
(06:36):
previous administration, that there are no cracks here and so
there is a sense of working together between the Tanyau
and Trump. They're on the same page, and he will
give them a green light to do what's needed if
they does not move forward in that right direction now quickly.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
The need for these Middle Eastern countries on the sidelines
that are watching all of this, How important is it
that they comply and start to come around with the
ideology and belief to support Israeli in the United States
in this effort to destroy terrorism there.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I think in a positive note, I mean, really, the
region has shifted over the past thirty years. We saw
it with the attacks on Iran, where you saw countries
in the our world coming together, the Jordanians, the Egyptians,
even the Saudis, understanding that you know, for example, Iran
is the greatest destabilizing factor in the region at large,
and they were working with the Israelis, and so they
(07:32):
understand that the region is shifting, and there is more
of an appreciation that israel Is as an added of
value versus a so called liability. In that regard, I
think that they understand that there are these non state
jihadi actors like the Jutis, like Hamas, like Isballah, who's
(07:53):
been you know, again taking care of by the Israelis.
I continue to do so, and I think that there
is a benefit to working together with them. So in
that regard, I think that there is an understanding and
the hope is that you get more countries to join.
We have more normalization with Israel than we have thirty
years ago and that can be positive for the region
(08:15):
at Largin for its stability.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Very good, well, I appreciate your insight this morning. Thanks
for being with me asof Framrosky PhD in a mid
E scholar. Thank you, sir, Thank you,
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