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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My name's John Mountain, filling in for JT for one
more show. He returns on Monday. The Supreme Court has
had an interesting ruling on Donald Trump's workforce executive Order.
It's interesting in that the court was almost almost unanimous
except for the most junior of the justices, Katanji Brown Jackson.
Joining us now to talk about this is the venture
(00:21):
based founder of The Political Mindset and co founder of Interview,
Janet Leriano. Janet, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Great to speak with you.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, so this situation here, first of all, it's such
a unique situation when you even have Justice Sodomayer side
with the other seven justices and only Katanji Brown Jackson
was the one who had a problem with Trump's workforce order.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah. So I was taking a close look at this
because it was quite interesting. So there is something that
people need to understand around the spirit of the love
versus the letter of the law, and to kind of
break down what the ruling was, you know, the Supreme
Court basically concluded that the lower courts blocked a plan
without blocking something specific enough. While they acknowledge that, you know,
(01:07):
the executive branch doesn't have the authority to dismantle government agencies,
you know, to the point where they can operate. That
blocking their attempts at you know, review and reduction is
not is not within their remit. And what I think
we see within most junior justices is a concern that
you know, there will be continued draftic cuts that could
(01:30):
affect the function of an office, and that I think
her ruling was more of a swift fery slope argument,
whereas the other justices were focused on what was the
actual ruling at the lower courts. I do think that there's,
you know, something to be considered on both sides. We
want to cut, but we want to cut judiciously, especially
is what we're seeing down down in Texas. But it
(01:53):
was definitely interesting to see the court split the way
that it did. Well.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
There is kind of a duality in the way that
government operates as opposed to private business and government it
just grows and it grows and it grows, and you
just hire more and more people to do more and
more things. And even when the thing they were hired
to do goes away, that we keep the person and
we just find something else for him to do. Because
we can't ever cut anyone ever now you contrast that
(02:17):
with any business that actually has a bottom line to
worry about. And you know where I work here at iHeartMedia,
we can't run huge deficits. You know, they actually have
to make decisions based on how much money we have
going You look at profit and loss, you look at
we have this coming in, this going out. If we're
don't have as much coming in, we have to lwer
what's going out. The government doesn't do that. They just
keep spending and spending and spending. So when you bring
the sensibility like Donald Trump coming from a background of
(02:40):
doing business and he's been through you know, he's criticized
a lot of times about how he's had some bankruptcies,
but it's because, yeah, he's done a lot of things
and he had some failings because you don't always succeeded everything.
But he sees how you can right size things without
breaking it. And I think that is the reason why
he's making these decisions. And perhaps the Kataji Brown Jackson
(03:00):
has never been schooled on how economics and how a
private business runs.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
To your point, I run a private business myself. We
built I have a business that deals with factories and farms.
We produce chocolate. We're an American business, so very much
what you're saying. If I look at my budget and
I see that, you know, we're burning a bunch of cash,
but it's not leading to the results in our case,
more sales, you know, the ability to pay employees better
(03:26):
then we got. We got to look at the efficiencies
of how we're spending that money, for sure. And I
do think one thing that we can, you know, consider
in all of this is making sure that there's an
effective transition plan for any reductions. We've had to reduce,
you know, in our organization multiple times to keep the
business running well, but you always want to make sure
(03:47):
that there's a good plan in place. And I do
think that that's what the Supreme Court was ruling, that
we need to see what the plan is before we
decide that it's a problem or before we decide that
it's going to limit the effective of an agency. And
I think that the Junior Justice was you know, looking
at maybe some of the previous cuts that have happened,
(04:09):
and you know, the bumps in the road that happened
as a result of those cuts, and was ruling looking
at that versus looking at the specific decision of the
lower courts. You know, you when you're cutting, you want
to make sure you don't cut foundational things. But I
do think that with focus effort on making sure that
we're appropriating our funds correctly, that's a solvable problem. So
(04:31):
I'm curious to see how it's played out. I'm curious
to see what the plans are as they come up
for review, because the inevitably will come up for review,
and I think the Supreme Court is clearly saying, let's
see the plan first before we decide it's unconstitutional, which
you know is not an unbeasonable statement.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
There are a lot of people out there who anything
Donald Trump comes up with, good or bad, they don't care.
In their mind, it's all just oppose it all and
then we'll figure it out later as long as we oppose.
And that's I guess probably where some of these people,
some of these critics of this thing, this seems like,
on its face, at least a good idea to at
least think about reining in some of the out of
(05:11):
control spending we have going on in the federal government.
To me, there's no question that there's an incredible amount
of waste. Janet Lariana, thank you so much for joining
us this morning on Alabama's Morning
My name's John Mountain, filling in for JT for one
more show. He returns on Monday. The Supreme Court has
had an interesting ruling on Donald Trump's workforce executive Order.
It's interesting in that the court was almost almost unanimous
except for the most junior of the justices, Katanji Brown Jackson.
Joining us now to talk about this is the venture
(00:21):
based founder of The Political Mindset and co founder of Interview,
Janet Leriano. Janet, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Great to speak with you.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, so this situation here, first of all, it's such
a unique situation when you even have Justice Sodomayer side
with the other seven justices and only Katanji Brown Jackson
was the one who had a problem with Trump's workforce order.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Yeah. So I was taking a close look at this
because it was quite interesting. So there is something that
people need to understand around the spirit of the love
versus the letter of the law, and to kind of
break down what the ruling was, you know, the Supreme
Court basically concluded that the lower courts blocked a plan
without blocking something specific enough. While they acknowledge that, you know,
(01:07):
the executive branch doesn't have the authority to dismantle government agencies,
you know, to the point where they can operate. That
blocking their attempts at you know, review and reduction is
not is not within their remit. And what I think
we see within most junior justices is a concern that
you know, there will be continued draftic cuts that could
(01:30):
affect the function of an office, and that I think
her ruling was more of a swift fery slope argument,
whereas the other justices were focused on what was the
actual ruling at the lower courts. I do think that there's,
you know, something to be considered on both sides. We
want to cut, but we want to cut judiciously, especially
is what we're seeing down down in Texas. But it
(01:53):
was definitely interesting to see the court split the way
that it did. Well.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
There is kind of a duality in the way that
government operates as opposed to private business and government it
just grows and it grows and it grows, and you
just hire more and more people to do more and
more things. And even when the thing they were hired
to do goes away, that we keep the person and
we just find something else for him to do. Because
we can't ever cut anyone ever now you contrast that
(02:17):
with any business that actually has a bottom line to
worry about. And you know where I work here at iHeartMedia,
we can't run huge deficits. You know, they actually have
to make decisions based on how much money we have
going You look at profit and loss, you look at
we have this coming in, this going out. If we're
don't have as much coming in, we have to lwer
what's going out. The government doesn't do that. They just
keep spending and spending and spending. So when you bring
the sensibility like Donald Trump coming from a background of
(02:40):
doing business and he's been through you know, he's criticized
a lot of times about how he's had some bankruptcies,
but it's because, yeah, he's done a lot of things
and he had some failings because you don't always succeeded everything.
But he sees how you can right size things without
breaking it. And I think that is the reason why
he's making these decisions. And perhaps the Kataji Brown Jackson
(03:00):
has never been schooled on how economics and how a
private business runs.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
To your point, I run a private business myself. We
built I have a business that deals with factories and farms.
We produce chocolate. We're an American business, so very much
what you're saying. If I look at my budget and
I see that, you know, we're burning a bunch of cash,
but it's not leading to the results in our case,
more sales, you know, the ability to pay employees better
(03:26):
then we got. We got to look at the efficiencies
of how we're spending that money, for sure. And I
do think one thing that we can, you know, consider
in all of this is making sure that there's an
effective transition plan for any reductions. We've had to reduce,
you know, in our organization multiple times to keep the
business running well, but you always want to make sure
(03:47):
that there's a good plan in place. And I do
think that that's what the Supreme Court was ruling, that
we need to see what the plan is before we
decide that it's a problem or before we decide that
it's going to limit the effective of an agency. And
I think that the Junior Justice was you know, looking
at maybe some of the previous cuts that have happened,
(04:09):
and you know, the bumps in the road that happened
as a result of those cuts, and was ruling looking
at that versus looking at the specific decision of the
lower courts. You know, you when you're cutting, you want
to make sure you don't cut foundational things. But I
do think that with focus effort on making sure that
we're appropriating our funds correctly, that's a solvable problem. So
(04:31):
I'm curious to see how it's played out. I'm curious
to see what the plans are as they come up
for review, because the inevitably will come up for review,
and I think the Supreme Court is clearly saying, let's
see the plan first before we decide it's unconstitutional, which
you know is not an unbeasonable statement.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
There are a lot of people out there who anything
Donald Trump comes up with, good or bad, they don't care.
In their mind, it's all just oppose it all and
then we'll figure it out later as long as we oppose.
And that's I guess probably where some of these people,
some of these critics of this thing, this seems like,
on its face, at least a good idea to at
least think about reining in some of the out of
(05:11):
control spending we have going on in the federal government.
To me, there's no question that there's an incredible amount
of waste. Janet Lariana, thank you so much for joining
us this morning on Alabama's Morning
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