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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jared Hudson joined us in the studio, now former Jefferson
County Sheriff, Canada, also a former Navy seal and now
works with the Covenant Rescue Group. Jared, welcome back in
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Man, Hey, thanks for having me. JT.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
All right once again for our listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Covenant Rescue Group, you're the CEO of this organization, nonprofit organization.
What is your mission with Covenant Rescue Group? What do
you guys do?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, basically, our goal is to work with local in particular,
but also you know, federal law enforcement and at state level.
Long story short, we work with them to train them
on how to find individuals who are trafficking or exploiting children.
The reason we focus not solely on children but primarily
on children is because we operate on donor dollars, grants
and all that, and we have to be frugal with
(00:42):
what we have. One hundred percent of the time, if
a child's involved, it is trafficking, right, if it's child
sex exploitation, it's human trafficking by the letter of the
law and by the way we understand it. That's not
always the case with adults.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
All Right, I want to ask you about this big
county situation. We just talked to the sheriff a little
bit ago and he got a tip from somebody that said,
we think something's going on here at this house, or
maybe some child abuse or something going on. And then
they get there and do a welfare check I guess
is what they call it, right, and they get behind
these doors and it's like, oh my god, this is horrific.
(01:16):
How do how do things like this come to light?
Because there's so much of it going on?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's there is a lot of
it going on. It's hard for these things to come
to light, especially if we're looking to get a successful
arrest and prosecution, right because we don't want the government
just being able to go in at any at the
whim of anybody and say, oh, we know you're trafficking
your kids. On one side of it, we've seen when
(01:43):
there's a domestic situation, maybe mommy and daddy are upset
with each other, they're arguing with each other, is a
big fight. Somebody will make an accusation that's not true, right,
so law enforcement has to investigate and look into that.
So that's one side of it. On the other side,
of it. You have things like what's happening in Bibb
County where it is very true, and so it's hard
on the law enforcement agency to be proactive with these
(02:06):
sort of with these sort of things, because, like you said,
you need a tip, they got a I believe bib County.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It was like a child abuse you know situation. Hey,
we think child abuse going on here, we all check
it out, so it looks like something else on the
front end. It's not like the movie Taken where kids
are snatched and stolen. It's everybody has all their dreams
of what human trafficking is. Kids are not being taken
like that. I think I said this maybe two years
ago on your show. We came on and talked about it.
It is familiar based or it's known the offender is
(02:36):
known to the child. When a child's exploited, ninety three
percent of the time, forty six percent of the time
it's just someone that's known.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Or a distant relative.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Thirty seven percent of the time it's a close relative
like a mother, a father, and aunt and uncle, somebody
the child trusts. So when you look at nine ninety
three percent of the time, the victim being known. How
is law enforcement ever gonna positively and appropriately impact because
it's it's not like the families releasing this stuff. It's
not like the kids coming to tell that's the other thing.
Hey just tell law enforcement. Trust LA enforcement. The person
(03:07):
that this child is supposed to trust the most. In
one of these kids cases, their mother, the person they're
supposed to trust the most, is doing this to them.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Why in the world do we think that they're going to.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Talk to somebody that they don't know that they've probably
also been told, hey, don't trust them.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It just removes them that much further from all.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The children at that age don't have the power of
reason that adults do to say, Okay, this is wrong,
this is bad. They may feel it in there and
got that this is, you know, not good, but they
don't They're not gonna go all right, give me the
phone when they're not looking nine to one one, Yeah,
I'm six years old, Can you come help me?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Now take it a step further with that, you know,
look at I look at the victims we see on
the that are adults, and some of them make an
active choice to be involved in sex work. Some of
them make an active choice for drugs. I had a
lady that said, uh, the reason she did drugs or
and she was fetanyl is what was her drug of choice.
So the reason she did it is whenever she did
(04:01):
these acts in this industry, it took her to a
different place.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's what she said.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And as we looked at it, as you interview, you
find out that these things happened to these young men
and young women that are involved in this industry early
on in life. So even if they're making an active
choice now, they were impacted at a young age when
they couldn't process it. And again it's still an active choice,
but there was something that led to it. They were
a victim at some point in time.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So is this more common in poor areas?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Poverty is a huge, a huge aspect of it, and it's.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
A way to make money. Is that why they do this? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, And I think the mother, if I remember right,
the sheriff could probablation. I think there was some drug
issues with the mother of one of these children. So
you've either got people who are willing to sell their
kids for drugs so they can get their fix.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
You got people that are willing to sell their kids
for money.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And again we're talking about a if they don't understand
that it's a moral decision at this point in time,
it's strictly a business decision on hey, I can sell
my kid I and get the money to get my fixed.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Because they love the addiction more than they love their child.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
How doesn't mother go, Okay, I'm to my child who's
under the age of whatever, say okay, I'm sorry, but
I got to pay the rent this month. Sorry, I
need drugs, but I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I'll leave you with something happen not far from here.
We come in, Yeah, we come in. Long story short,
This mother had five kids laying in a bed and
it was a rescue operation and we were looking to
purchase her and work on that side with getting her
out of this. But there were five kids ages two
(05:36):
to seven, laid on the bed beside the bed that
she was, you know, using to sell herself.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
You know, I'm trying not to tell you. I know what,
I don't use you. So that's just not uncommon.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And these kids are laying there and interviewing some kids
they see their mom doing that, so they already see
that going on. So there's probably this mother's probably doing
it herself. She can get more if she's selling her
kid as well.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Stay with me because I want to talk to you
about how people can make a difference and what if
you see something, say something for instance, I mean, how
does that work and what the public can do to
get help because it's rampant everywhere. Sex trafficking and this
kind of abuse is going on. Like you said, if
it's familiar, it's tough to get through and find out
about it because it's not you know, there's not a
(06:22):
bunch of people walking around talking about it. Right, all right,
continuing our conversation with Jared Hudson with Covenant Rescue Group
who trains law enforcement to get at the heart of
what's going on with our trafficking situation in the state
of Alabama.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Around the country.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's just rampant everywhere, and we're talking about this case
in Bibb County and that place. I'm sure you've seen
the pictures and the videos of the house it was
happening in, or the shelter, whatever that thing was. You know,
it's a poor section and a rat's nest of where
this was going on. But that's not always where the
trafficking or the abuse takes place when it comes to kids.
(06:57):
I mean, I guess you you know you know I
were talking talking about it turning to break. Look, look,
wherever kids are, your parents need to keep an eye
open and not just assume who's ever instructing your kid.
Maybe in gymnastics. We've certainly seen what happen with the
Olympic coach, yep, cheerleading camps and things like this. Even
youth groups and churches know what's going on with your
(07:17):
kids and these people that are leading these situations because
it may appear that everything's cool, but a lot of times,
you know, this could be where it's going.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
No, you're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
And again going back to the percentages, it's forty six
percent of the people or the offenders are known to
the victims when it comes to child sex, exploitation or
any sort of negative impact your child might have. And
it might not be that this individual is actually selling
your kid or doing anything. It might be as simple
(07:48):
as they're still in your child's heart and mind.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I'll send you the link to it. I forget the
guy's name.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
He was a predator out of a pedophile out of
Indiana and one of the things he said. He said,
the first thing I looked for in a kid, The
only thing that I that I looked for on the
front end was did he have a father that was involved?
Because if the father was involved, he was a threat.
And so I tell dads all the time, be a threat.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So this is the predator that's coming clean on how
they think?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, because he was in jail. I mean he's in
jail for like thirty something years, right. So he said
if there wasn't a father involved, or if it was
a single mother, he would infiltrate that mother's life and
he would try to try to winter over and then
he would stay and watch the kids. He spent time
grooming the kids. And this is that this guy. I
think he was a city councilman in the city he
(08:36):
was in, But either way, he was a community leader
wherever he was at. He might not have been a
city counsel wan, he might have been a county commissioner,
but he was a community leader. So he was a
trusted individual, what we call a person trust. We've seen doctors,
state troopers here in Alabama, sheriff's deputies in Arkansas last
year that we've helped local agencies arrest FBI agent not
long ago. I don't know if he was an actual
(08:56):
agent or if he was just working for the FBI.
Up in North Alabama was rolled not long ago with
I bet he had he had thousands of images of
child pornography.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So the point I'm getting at is it might not be.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Just like what we saw in Bibb County, where you've
got kids chained up in a basement or in a
shed and they're selling these kids to their friends. Right,
although that does exist, it might be something even less
nefarious or less nefarious seeming than that of. Hey, I'm
just a regular guy in Mountain Brook, Alabama, not far
from here, and I'm not paying attention to what's going
(09:36):
on with my kids, and my kids are being targeted,
my kids are being exploited, all because I can't get
my head out of my phone or get my head
out of the sand and see what's going on around me.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So, yeah, it's a cheer camper, it's a youth group.
It's you know, gymnastics meet. They're fine, I'll pick you
up in an hour and enjoy practice. And the kids like,
oh my god, I hate coming here.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Well there's that and then sometimes they steal that child's
heart and mind, and then the parent has no recourse
with a child, and as the child gets old or
what do they do?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
They leave the house.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So what can people do that may think something like
this is going on? What can people watch out for?
At what point do you call law enforcement? Better safe
than sorry? Call them if you think anything's going on?
And what can law enforcement do? Can they come into
a home and search it like they've got a warrant
or can they What's how does welfare checks work quickly?
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yeah, so if it's just a welfare check, obviously, if
you see something, call law enforcement. If it's a welfare check,
they can go to the house and if there's probable
calls that a crime's taking place, whatever that crime.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Is, they can investigate for it just a hunch.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
There's no such thing as just a hunch for law enforcement.
We've got in order to go in that home, you
need a warrant or you need probable calls that that
crime has taking place to go a step further, just
like your vehicle stops or anything, right.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Better safe than sorry. If you something, cops make the
decision cops.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But also don't be a Karen, you know, don't call
the cops on everybody, because that's the other problem we
have is when I'm upset somebody, I'll.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Call, Hey, I think they're doing this to their kids. Well,
you're just mad at your neighbor.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Because no, no, I'm talking about if it's.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Legit concerned, call But other than that, keep your eyes open,
especially for your kids.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, this case in Bib County is not over yet.
The investigation continues. I'm afraid there's going to probably be
more arrest made and unfortunately, maybe more kids involved in
all this too. Jared, thank you so much. I appreciate you, Bud,
thank you, brother,
Jared Hudson joined us in the studio, now former Jefferson
County Sheriff, Canada, also a former Navy seal and now
works with the Covenant Rescue Group. Jared, welcome back in
Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Man, Hey, thanks for having me. JT.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
All right once again for our listeners.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Covenant Rescue Group, you're the CEO of this organization, nonprofit organization.
What is your mission with Covenant Rescue Group? What do
you guys do?
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, basically, our goal is to work with local in particular,
but also you know, federal law enforcement and at state level.
Long story short, we work with them to train them
on how to find individuals who are trafficking or exploiting children.
The reason we focus not solely on children but primarily
on children is because we operate on donor dollars, grants
and all that, and we have to be frugal with
(00:42):
what we have. One hundred percent of the time, if
a child's involved, it is trafficking, right, if it's child
sex exploitation, it's human trafficking by the letter of the
law and by the way we understand it. That's not
always the case with adults.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
All Right, I want to ask you about this big
county situation. We just talked to the sheriff a little
bit ago and he got a tip from somebody that said,
we think something's going on here at this house, or
maybe some child abuse or something going on. And then
they get there and do a welfare check I guess
is what they call it, right, and they get behind
these doors and it's like, oh my god, this is horrific.
(01:16):
How do how do things like this come to light?
Because there's so much of it going on?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's there is a lot of
it going on. It's hard for these things to come
to light, especially if we're looking to get a successful
arrest and prosecution, right because we don't want the government
just being able to go in at any at the
whim of anybody and say, oh, we know you're trafficking
your kids. On one side of it, we've seen when
(01:43):
there's a domestic situation, maybe mommy and daddy are upset
with each other, they're arguing with each other, is a
big fight. Somebody will make an accusation that's not true, right,
so law enforcement has to investigate and look into that.
So that's one side of it. On the other side,
of it. You have things like what's happening in Bibb
County where it is very true, and so it's hard
on the law enforcement agency to be proactive with these
(02:06):
sort of with these sort of things, because, like you said,
you need a tip, they got a I believe bib County.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
I think you're right.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
It was like a child abuse you know situation. Hey,
we think child abuse going on here, we all check
it out, so it looks like something else on the
front end. It's not like the movie Taken where kids
are snatched and stolen. It's everybody has all their dreams
of what human trafficking is. Kids are not being taken
like that. I think I said this maybe two years
ago on your show. We came on and talked about it.
It is familiar based or it's known the offender is
(02:36):
known to the child. When a child's exploited, ninety three
percent of the time, forty six percent of the time
it's just someone that's known.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Or a distant relative.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Thirty seven percent of the time it's a close relative
like a mother, a father, and aunt and uncle, somebody
the child trusts. So when you look at nine ninety
three percent of the time, the victim being known. How
is law enforcement ever gonna positively and appropriately impact because
it's it's not like the families releasing this stuff. It's
not like the kids coming to tell that's the other thing.
Hey just tell law enforcement. Trust LA enforcement. The person
(03:07):
that this child is supposed to trust the most. In
one of these kids cases, their mother, the person they're
supposed to trust the most, is doing this to them.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Why in the world do we think that they're going to.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Talk to somebody that they don't know that they've probably
also been told, hey, don't trust them.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
It just removes them that much further from all.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
The children at that age don't have the power of
reason that adults do to say, Okay, this is wrong,
this is bad. They may feel it in there and
got that this is, you know, not good, but they
don't They're not gonna go all right, give me the
phone when they're not looking nine to one one, Yeah,
I'm six years old, Can you come help me?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Now take it a step further with that, you know,
look at I look at the victims we see on
the that are adults, and some of them make an
active choice to be involved in sex work. Some of
them make an active choice for drugs. I had a
lady that said, uh, the reason she did drugs or
and she was fetanyl is what was her drug of choice.
So the reason she did it is whenever she did
(04:01):
these acts in this industry, it took her to a
different place.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
That's what she said.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And as we looked at it, as you interview, you
find out that these things happened to these young men
and young women that are involved in this industry early
on in life. So even if they're making an active
choice now, they were impacted at a young age when
they couldn't process it. And again it's still an active choice,
but there was something that led to it. They were
a victim at some point in time.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
So is this more common in poor areas?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Poverty is a huge, a huge aspect of it, and it's.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
A way to make money. Is that why they do this? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, And I think the mother, if I remember right,
the sheriff could probablation. I think there was some drug
issues with the mother of one of these children. So
you've either got people who are willing to sell their
kids for drugs so they can get their fix.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
You got people that are willing to sell their kids
for money.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
And again we're talking about a if they don't understand
that it's a moral decision at this point in time,
it's strictly a business decision on hey, I can sell
my kid I and get the money to get my fixed.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Because they love the addiction more than they love their child.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
How doesn't mother go, Okay, I'm to my child who's
under the age of whatever, say okay, I'm sorry, but
I got to pay the rent this month. Sorry, I
need drugs, but I'm going to.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
I'll leave you with something happen not far from here.
We come in, Yeah, we come in. Long story short,
This mother had five kids laying in a bed and
it was a rescue operation and we were looking to
purchase her and work on that side with getting her
out of this. But there were five kids ages two
(05:36):
to seven, laid on the bed beside the bed that
she was, you know, using to sell herself.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
You know, I'm trying not to tell you. I know what,
I don't use you. So that's just not uncommon.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
And these kids are laying there and interviewing some kids
they see their mom doing that, so they already see
that going on. So there's probably this mother's probably doing
it herself. She can get more if she's selling her
kid as well.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Stay with me because I want to talk to you
about how people can make a difference and what if
you see something, say something for instance, I mean, how
does that work and what the public can do to
get help because it's rampant everywhere. Sex trafficking and this
kind of abuse is going on. Like you said, if
it's familiar, it's tough to get through and find out
about it because it's not you know, there's not a
(06:22):
bunch of people walking around talking about it. Right, all right,
continuing our conversation with Jared Hudson with Covenant Rescue Group
who trains law enforcement to get at the heart of
what's going on with our trafficking situation in the state
of Alabama.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Around the country.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's just rampant everywhere, and we're talking about this case
in Bibb County and that place. I'm sure you've seen
the pictures and the videos of the house it was
happening in, or the shelter, whatever that thing was. You know,
it's a poor section and a rat's nest of where
this was going on. But that's not always where the
trafficking or the abuse takes place when it comes to kids.
(06:57):
I mean, I guess you you know you know I
were talking talking about it turning to break. Look, look,
wherever kids are, your parents need to keep an eye
open and not just assume who's ever instructing your kid.
Maybe in gymnastics. We've certainly seen what happen with the
Olympic coach, yep, cheerleading camps and things like this. Even
youth groups and churches know what's going on with your
(07:17):
kids and these people that are leading these situations because
it may appear that everything's cool, but a lot of times,
you know, this could be where it's going.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
No, you're exactly right.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
And again going back to the percentages, it's forty six
percent of the people or the offenders are known to
the victims when it comes to child sex, exploitation or
any sort of negative impact your child might have. And
it might not be that this individual is actually selling
your kid or doing anything. It might be as simple
(07:48):
as they're still in your child's heart and mind.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I'll send you the link to it. I forget the
guy's name.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
He was a predator out of a pedophile out of
Indiana and one of the things he said. He said,
the first thing I looked for in a kid, The
only thing that I that I looked for on the
front end was did he have a father that was involved?
Because if the father was involved, he was a threat.
And so I tell dads all the time, be a threat.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
So this is the predator that's coming clean on how
they think?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah, because he was in jail. I mean he's in
jail for like thirty something years, right. So he said
if there wasn't a father involved, or if it was
a single mother, he would infiltrate that mother's life and
he would try to try to winter over and then
he would stay and watch the kids. He spent time
grooming the kids. And this is that this guy. I
think he was a city councilman in the city he
(08:36):
was in, But either way, he was a community leader
wherever he was at. He might not have been a
city counsel wan, he might have been a county commissioner,
but he was a community leader. So he was a
trusted individual, what we call a person trust. We've seen doctors,
state troopers here in Alabama, sheriff's deputies in Arkansas last
year that we've helped local agencies arrest FBI agent not
long ago. I don't know if he was an actual
(08:56):
agent or if he was just working for the FBI.
Up in North Alabama was rolled not long ago with
I bet he had he had thousands of images of
child pornography.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So the point I'm getting at is it might not be.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Just like what we saw in Bibb County, where you've
got kids chained up in a basement or in a
shed and they're selling these kids to their friends. Right,
although that does exist, it might be something even less
nefarious or less nefarious seeming than that of. Hey, I'm
just a regular guy in Mountain Brook, Alabama, not far
from here, and I'm not paying attention to what's going
(09:36):
on with my kids, and my kids are being targeted,
my kids are being exploited, all because I can't get
my head out of my phone or get my head
out of the sand and see what's going on around me.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
So, yeah, it's a cheer camper, it's a youth group.
It's you know, gymnastics meet. They're fine, I'll pick you
up in an hour and enjoy practice. And the kids like,
oh my god, I hate coming here.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Well there's that and then sometimes they steal that child's
heart and mind, and then the parent has no recourse
with a child, and as the child gets old or
what do they do?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
They leave the house.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So what can people do that may think something like
this is going on? What can people watch out for?
At what point do you call law enforcement? Better safe
than sorry? Call them if you think anything's going on?
And what can law enforcement do? Can they come into
a home and search it like they've got a warrant
or can they What's how does welfare checks work quickly?
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Yeah, so if it's just a welfare check, obviously, if
you see something, call law enforcement. If it's a welfare check,
they can go to the house and if there's probable
calls that a crime's taking place, whatever that crime.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Is, they can investigate for it just a hunch.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
There's no such thing as just a hunch for law enforcement.
We've got in order to go in that home, you
need a warrant or you need probable calls that that
crime has taking place to go a step further, just
like your vehicle stops or anything, right.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Better safe than sorry. If you something, cops make the
decision cops.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
But also don't be a Karen, you know, don't call
the cops on everybody, because that's the other problem we
have is when I'm upset somebody, I'll.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Call, Hey, I think they're doing this to their kids. Well,
you're just mad at your neighbor.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Because no, no, I'm talking about if it's.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Legit concerned, call But other than that, keep your eyes open,
especially for your kids.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Well, this case in Bib County is not over yet.
The investigation continues. I'm afraid there's going to probably be
more arrest made and unfortunately, maybe more kids involved in
all this too. Jared, thank you so much. I appreciate you, Bud,
thank you, brother,
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