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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, we've known for a long time that law enforcement
is always in trouble when they go out there, they're
always having to watch their back. There's so much pushback
on law enforcement now and it's really gotten disgusting. And
you know, when they're trying to do their job to
keep community safe and people just get in their face
and just cause problems, you know, it gets physical and
it's dangerous, and there's a lot of rhetoric towards cops,
(00:21):
putting law enforcement in danger. Joining us not to talk
a little bit more about this. Jessica Rosenthal, our Fox correspondent,
Good morning, Jessica, Good morning. So we've seen this going
on for quite some time now. Is it getting better
or getting worse?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It sounds like it's getting worse. We paid attention this
week to a House Home Land Security Committee hearing called
when Badges Become Targets, and three of the four witnesses
were heads of law enforcement organizations. And as you might imagine,
it's quickly turned into a story about police recruitment. They
all said recruitment suffering because of rhetoric toward police, which
(00:54):
is especially important in the backdrop of military recruitment soaring.
It was the National Sheriff's Association director, who told Congress
members that elected leaders need to stop calling ICE and
other law enforcement agencies Nazi and Gestapo. The head of
the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association said he's never seen
a threat environment like this for law enforcement in his career.
(01:18):
Democratic lomakers during the hearing were really focused on things
like ICE going too far and January sixth means, you know,
Republicans have things to answer for here as well. But
one of the final Congress members to ask questions was
Colorado Republican Gabe Evans. H had a really unique perspective
because before he was a congress member, he was a
cop for ten years in Colorado, and he was a
(01:40):
police officer during the summer of twenty twenty and during
twenty twenty one, he said he lost a good friend,
a colleague, a fellow officer who was shot and killed
in twenty twenty one. The suspect in that case had
a deep patriot of police that had gone back for years,
and when we talked to him for the Rundown podcast,
he kind of elaborated and said, you know, during his
(02:03):
time watching officers leave the force after twenty twenty twenty
twenty one, he said that there were studies coming out
showing that one of the biggest predictors of PTSD, for example,
for an officer, was not your wife not having your back,
not your kids not having your back, but your chief,
your mayor the elected leaders in your town. When things
(02:24):
go south, you want that backing. And finally, one of
the things he said really of note was that around
that time a lot of laws and rules and regulations
towards police for changing liability for police officers began to
increase after the George Flood riots, and he said, in Colorado,
one of the strictest, toughest I should say new laws
(02:46):
on top half is why you aren't wearing your body
if your fly camera isn't on at a time when
it's expected to be. That is used to a wonderful
life misconduct on the part of the officer movie. He said,
when they burden became about the officer needing to prove
that he wasn't the bad guy, the moraleists plummeted, and
(03:07):
he said that's when he really started to see people
leave the force.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, you see it time and time again, and especially
democratically run liberal cities where the law enforcement has not
gotten the backing of the mayor that most police chiefs serve,
you know, at the pleasure of the mayor in the
same situation here, and you've got prosecutors that there are lacks,
if you will, as far as having the will to
prosecute and stick with good sentencing. You have, for instance,
(03:34):
in Louisiana, New Orleans, where the National Guard are going
in there to help with the problem. There, you've got
the governor that's all about it, says come on, and
you've got the mayor then in New Orleans the other
side of the spectrum saying, forget about it, We've got
it under control.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Here.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
We're not having these people come down here, you know.
And it's a Democrat mayor Republican governor. So you've got
the two leadership roles for the situation, you know, button
heads on the issue here, and it's all about crime,
you know, reducing it. We saw the mayor of Washington,
d C. That pushed back initially, but after the President
brought in the National Guard in DC, you know what
(04:10):
she saw the crime kind of drop down. The residents.
We're speaking loud about it that we love that, Thank
you very much. And she came around and said, you know,
I'll be honest with you, thank you, mister President. I mean,
I don't know if that was a political statement just
kind of protect her back, but you know there was good, positive,
you know, reaction and an outcome because of all that.
So yeah, I don't get it either, and I think
you're right. I think on both sides of the aisle,
(04:33):
we got to stop the horrific rhetoricate when it comes
to our law enforcement and National Guard and whatever's going on,
and not demonize them because that just if you hear
that and you're on the edge, is a citizen of
really doing something to you know, get in somebody's face.
And you've got a leader in your congressional district or
Senate or whatever says, oh yeah, we agree with what
(04:55):
you're thinking. That kind of opens the door for you
to go ahead and take some action, which is horrible.
So it's got to start at the top and calm down,
that's for sure. Well, Jessica, thank you so much. I
appreciate the umptye
Well, we've known for a long time that law enforcement
is always in trouble when they go out there, they're
always having to watch their back. There's so much pushback
on law enforcement now and it's really gotten disgusting. And
you know, when they're trying to do their job to
keep community safe and people just get in their face
and just cause problems, you know, it gets physical and
it's dangerous, and there's a lot of rhetoric towards cops,
(00:21):
putting law enforcement in danger. Joining us not to talk
a little bit more about this. Jessica Rosenthal, our Fox correspondent,
Good morning, Jessica, Good morning. So we've seen this going
on for quite some time now. Is it getting better
or getting worse?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It sounds like it's getting worse. We paid attention this
week to a House Home Land Security Committee hearing called
when Badges Become Targets, and three of the four witnesses
were heads of law enforcement organizations. And as you might imagine,
it's quickly turned into a story about police recruitment. They
all said recruitment suffering because of rhetoric toward police, which
(00:54):
is especially important in the backdrop of military recruitment soaring.
It was the National Sheriff's Association director, who told Congress
members that elected leaders need to stop calling ICE and
other law enforcement agencies Nazi and Gestapo. The head of
the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association said he's never seen
a threat environment like this for law enforcement in his career.
(01:18):
Democratic lomakers during the hearing were really focused on things
like ICE going too far and January sixth means, you know,
Republicans have things to answer for here as well. But
one of the final Congress members to ask questions was
Colorado Republican Gabe Evans. H had a really unique perspective
because before he was a congress member, he was a
cop for ten years in Colorado, and he was a
(01:40):
police officer during the summer of twenty twenty and during
twenty twenty one, he said he lost a good friend,
a colleague, a fellow officer who was shot and killed
in twenty twenty one. The suspect in that case had
a deep patriot of police that had gone back for years,
and when we talked to him for the Rundown podcast,
he kind of elaborated and said, you know, during his
(02:03):
time watching officers leave the force after twenty twenty twenty
twenty one, he said that there were studies coming out
showing that one of the biggest predictors of PTSD, for example,
for an officer, was not your wife not having your back,
not your kids not having your back, but your chief,
your mayor the elected leaders in your town. When things
(02:24):
go south, you want that backing. And finally, one of
the things he said really of note was that around
that time a lot of laws and rules and regulations
towards police for changing liability for police officers began to
increase after the George Flood riots, and he said, in Colorado,
one of the strictest, toughest I should say new laws
(02:46):
on top half is why you aren't wearing your body
if your fly camera isn't on at a time when
it's expected to be. That is used to a wonderful
life misconduct on the part of the officer movie. He said,
when they burden became about the officer needing to prove
that he wasn't the bad guy, the moraleists plummeted, and
(03:07):
he said that's when he really started to see people
leave the force.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, you see it time and time again, and especially
democratically run liberal cities where the law enforcement has not
gotten the backing of the mayor that most police chiefs serve,
you know, at the pleasure of the mayor in the
same situation here, and you've got prosecutors that there are lacks,
if you will, as far as having the will to
prosecute and stick with good sentencing. You have, for instance,
(03:34):
in Louisiana, New Orleans, where the National Guard are going
in there to help with the problem. There, you've got
the governor that's all about it, says come on, and
you've got the mayor then in New Orleans the other
side of the spectrum saying, forget about it, We've got
it under control.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Here.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
We're not having these people come down here, you know.
And it's a Democrat mayor Republican governor. So you've got
the two leadership roles for the situation, you know, button
heads on the issue here, and it's all about crime,
you know, reducing it. We saw the mayor of Washington,
d C. That pushed back initially, but after the President
brought in the National Guard in DC, you know what
(04:10):
she saw the crime kind of drop down. The residents.
We're speaking loud about it that we love that, Thank
you very much. And she came around and said, you know,
I'll be honest with you, thank you, mister President. I mean,
I don't know if that was a political statement just
kind of protect her back, but you know there was good, positive,
you know, reaction and an outcome because of all that.
So yeah, I don't get it either, and I think
you're right. I think on both sides of the aisle,
(04:33):
we got to stop the horrific rhetoricate when it comes
to our law enforcement and National Guard and whatever's going on,
and not demonize them because that just if you hear
that and you're on the edge, is a citizen of
really doing something to you know, get in somebody's face.
And you've got a leader in your congressional district or
Senate or whatever says, oh yeah, we agree with what
(04:55):
you're thinking. That kind of opens the door for you
to go ahead and take some action, which is horrible.
So it's got to start at the top and calm down,
that's for sure. Well, Jessica, thank you so much. I
appreciate the umptye
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