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Speaker 1 (00:00):
John Mounts in for JT every week. We're always joined
in studio by the venerable Paul DeMarco. Paul, welcome to
the show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you, glad to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Sorry I got Paul off guard. He was just pulling
up some last minute research on a topic we're going
to be talking about. So there's a it's being called
a disgrace to the community as four people were arrested
for allegedly there's at a word, encouraging a fight between kids.
Here's what happened. There's four mothers in the Tom Brown
(00:28):
Project housing project who they had daughters. These are not
just like random kids, these are own daughters that they
were encouraging some sort of a fight and they were
like hoping for them to fight, like they were cheering
them on. What world do we live in that this
seemed like a good idea for any of these women.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well, unfortunately we live in a world where this happens
in Birmingham, Alabama, which again continues to create more violence
and more murders every single week in the city.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And usually it's guns, but even this we're talking about,
you know, rather than trying to stop the violence, we're
talking about encouraging the violence. So often we hear about
these things where there's like a unity rally where it's
going to be an encouraging piece, encouraging stop the violence,
and then it has to be canceled because violence breaks out.
What is it about these these violent situations that keep
happening in the community over and over it and over again,
(01:20):
like with Tom Brown, But it could have been anywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, it's part of the problem is people want to
ignore these type of problems. Oh the problems are you know,
all these other issues.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's the police that are bad.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I mean, look, this goes back to twenty twenty and
George Floyd, where we said we're going to let people
out of jail. We're not going to hold people accountable,
we're not going to have bail, We're not going to
enforce the rules. And when you don't enforce the rules,
this kind of junk happens. Again. We're always looking for
the boogeyman, when really it's the situation going on in
these neighborhoods and communities, when these are the type of
(01:54):
problems and parents who are just either encouraging it or
not parenting their kids, that it would allow this kind
of stuff, but to go the next step to encourage them.
But here's going to be the real test on this John.
They've been charged with contributing to the delinquency of a
minor and another one was charged with the child in dangement.
If we have judges and prosecutors who do not throw
(02:17):
the book at them, we're gonna be right back where
we are. And that's one of the biggest problems we
have right now in this country right now is weak
judges who will not put people behind the bars and
say we're going to make an example of this. You
broke the law, We're gonna put you in jail. And
so that this you will say, maybe I won't encourage
my child to fight another child again.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, Paul, I'm going to go on a limb on
this one. And maybe if everyone wants to call in
and correct me, I could be wrong because it's not
in the story. But these four women who are encouraging
I'm just gonna go on a limb. There's not a
father figure in any one of these four households, and
if there were father figures in these households, this sort
of thing wouldn't happen. We have a lot of broken
families where you don't have active parents. Two parents in
(02:58):
the household. I'm not say gonna have to be married, even,
but two active parents parenting these children. And I don't
think that these children have to really don't have one parent,
because even the one there, these women are not being parents.
These these girls have no parents that they're fighting.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Look, hey, look, I want to go again and go
back to the George Floyd where we saw down to
the destruction during the riots down there, nobody got charged
with anything. God sentence in Birmingham, Alabama. We're not talking
about Minneapolis. We're talking right here. But but what I
want to hear is the anti police and all that junk.
I mean, it's coming. It comes back to roost when
(03:32):
you do not sentence and put people behind bars who
break the law. I mean, remember we went back to
the Julianni days in New York, where you're gonna put.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
This the broken windows policy, the concept of if we
clean up the broken windows and buildings, we're gonna have
people quit trashing. That's the thing I was just noticing
the other day. I was I was out for a walk.
We're not too far from Railroad Park and the graffiti,
and this part of town has really ramped up. It's
all over the place. I saw one person wrote the
word murder ham or murder ham that murderham on on
(04:01):
the door.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
There.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's everywhere and they're not they're not cleaning it obviously,
Well who's the they? I mean, yes, somebody should. I
guess somebody has to be the one to paint it.
But we're not cleaning it up.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, it was let's bring this back nationally. The governor
of California was saying, oh, the crime rights, Oh, it's
in red states. Did you see that? Somebody?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, Gavin Newsom is on his own world and it
was someone Alabama. Where is the crime in Alabama? Is
it in? It's in the blue pockets of the red
states exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So if you take that out, what and then compare
the crime rights to to some of the blue states.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Because we'll talk about Memphis, which is in a red state,
but it's a very blue city. Talk about Birmingham, very
red state, very.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Blue city, exactly, and we could go own and own
about that. So if you're you're not going to force
the law, if you're not going to put people in jail,
if you're gonna let them continue. You're going to get
this junk with these parents encouraging these kids. These people
need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Don't let them have a police We need to watch
this story from beginning to end. We you know, we're
(05:03):
talking about it today. But your listeners say, what ends
up happening to these four moms and if they get
a play deal and they can just go do whatever
they want. You say, that's part of the problem when
the justice system becomes part of the problem because you
do not punish the bad guys, or you have a
parole board that's letting out killers who shoot their wives
in the back of the head, and then the crappy
parole board we have lets them out of jail for
(05:25):
not finished in the sentence.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
This is the kind of junk you get. It just
it's a domino effect. Well, Paul, here's the really sad
thing about that. Like back to what I was saying about,
how I bet these girls don't have an active father
in their lives. They're going to get a lenient sentence
because they're gonna say the judge's gonna say, well, these
are mothers. They have to take care of their children,
but they're not taking care of their Parny is the
whole reason they're behind this, because they're not taking care
of you. So what I'm concerned about is not them. Unfortunately,
(05:48):
those those four women are pretty much lost causes their children.
Their children are in five or ten years, and it
probably will be five years, ten years, fifteen years. They're
gonna be mothers and they're going to be in the
tom Brown House Project living there doing the same stuff.
A Look, we have generational poverty.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
But maybe if they see their mother went to jail
for doing something wrong and said, well, maybe I'll have
to think about this. I'm actually gonna have the book
thrown at me. Maybe I'll that's what happened to my mother,
because she did. But if they get away with it,
it encourages. It just continues to encourage when bad guys,
bad girls see bad girls, and bad boys get away
with it with no accountability.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I agree, if you have positive examples, you will be positive.
You are a product of your environment. And sadly, the
girls who are coming out of the situation, I assumed
they were fighting girls. It doesn't say in there who
they were going to fight. They said that fighting their
children doesn't say but I assume it's.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Again, it's bigger than his parents. It goes back to
elected officials. That's why it's so important to go vote.
Are your elected officials making public safety priority number one?
Whether it's UH city council folks, mayors, legislators, judges, prosecutors.
If they're not doing that, you're putting the wrong people
in office.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Great point. Paul DeMarco joining us in studio
John Mounts in for JT every week. We're always joined
in studio by the venerable Paul DeMarco. Paul, welcome to
the show.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Thank you, glad to be with you.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Sorry I got Paul off guard. He was just pulling
up some last minute research on a topic we're going
to be talking about. So there's a it's being called
a disgrace to the community as four people were arrested
for allegedly there's at a word, encouraging a fight between kids.
Here's what happened. There's four mothers in the Tom Brown
(00:28):
Project housing project who they had daughters. These are not
just like random kids, these are own daughters that they
were encouraging some sort of a fight and they were
like hoping for them to fight, like they were cheering
them on. What world do we live in that this
seemed like a good idea for any of these women.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Well, unfortunately we live in a world where this happens
in Birmingham, Alabama, which again continues to create more violence
and more murders every single week in the city.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
And usually it's guns, but even this we're talking about,
you know, rather than trying to stop the violence, we're
talking about encouraging the violence. So often we hear about
these things where there's like a unity rally where it's
going to be an encouraging piece, encouraging stop the violence,
and then it has to be canceled because violence breaks out.
What is it about these these violent situations that keep
happening in the community over and over it and over again,
(01:20):
like with Tom Brown, But it could have been anywhere.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, it's part of the problem is people want to
ignore these type of problems. Oh the problems are you know,
all these other issues.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It's the police that are bad.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I mean, look, this goes back to twenty twenty and
George Floyd, where we said we're going to let people
out of jail. We're not going to hold people accountable,
we're not going to have bail, We're not going to
enforce the rules. And when you don't enforce the rules,
this kind of junk happens. Again. We're always looking for
the boogeyman, when really it's the situation going on in
these neighborhoods and communities, when these are the type of
(01:54):
problems and parents who are just either encouraging it or
not parenting their kids, that it would allow this kind
of stuff, but to go the next step to encourage them.
But here's going to be the real test on this John.
They've been charged with contributing to the delinquency of a
minor and another one was charged with the child in dangement.
If we have judges and prosecutors who do not throw
(02:17):
the book at them, we're gonna be right back where
we are. And that's one of the biggest problems we
have right now in this country right now is weak
judges who will not put people behind the bars and
say we're going to make an example of this. You
broke the law, We're gonna put you in jail. And
so that this you will say, maybe I won't encourage
my child to fight another child again.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, Paul, I'm going to go on a limb on
this one. And maybe if everyone wants to call in
and correct me, I could be wrong because it's not
in the story. But these four women who are encouraging
I'm just gonna go on a limb. There's not a
father figure in any one of these four households, and
if there were father figures in these households, this sort
of thing wouldn't happen. We have a lot of broken
families where you don't have active parents. Two parents in
(02:58):
the household. I'm not say gonna have to be married, even,
but two active parents parenting these children. And I don't
think that these children have to really don't have one parent,
because even the one there, these women are not being parents.
These these girls have no parents that they're fighting.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Look, hey, look, I want to go again and go
back to the George Floyd where we saw down to
the destruction during the riots down there, nobody got charged
with anything. God sentence in Birmingham, Alabama. We're not talking
about Minneapolis. We're talking right here. But but what I
want to hear is the anti police and all that junk.
I mean, it's coming. It comes back to roost when
(03:32):
you do not sentence and put people behind bars who
break the law. I mean, remember we went back to
the Julianni days in New York, where you're gonna put.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
This the broken windows policy, the concept of if we
clean up the broken windows and buildings, we're gonna have
people quit trashing. That's the thing I was just noticing
the other day. I was I was out for a walk.
We're not too far from Railroad Park and the graffiti,
and this part of town has really ramped up. It's
all over the place. I saw one person wrote the
word murder ham or murder ham that murderham on on
(04:01):
the door.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
There.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's everywhere and they're not they're not cleaning it obviously,
Well who's the they? I mean, yes, somebody should. I
guess somebody has to be the one to paint it.
But we're not cleaning it up.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, it was let's bring this back nationally. The governor
of California was saying, oh, the crime rights, Oh, it's
in red states. Did you see that? Somebody?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, Gavin Newsom is on his own world and it
was someone Alabama. Where is the crime in Alabama? Is
it in? It's in the blue pockets of the red
states exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So if you take that out, what and then compare
the crime rights to to some of the blue states.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Because we'll talk about Memphis, which is in a red state,
but it's a very blue city. Talk about Birmingham, very
red state, very.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Blue city, exactly, and we could go own and own
about that. So if you're you're not going to force
the law, if you're not going to put people in jail,
if you're gonna let them continue. You're going to get
this junk with these parents encouraging these kids. These people
need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Don't let them have a police We need to watch
this story from beginning to end. We you know, we're
(05:03):
talking about it today. But your listeners say, what ends
up happening to these four moms and if they get
a play deal and they can just go do whatever
they want. You say, that's part of the problem when
the justice system becomes part of the problem because you
do not punish the bad guys, or you have a
parole board that's letting out killers who shoot their wives
in the back of the head, and then the crappy
parole board we have lets them out of jail for
(05:25):
not finished in the sentence.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
This is the kind of junk you get. It just
it's a domino effect. Well, Paul, here's the really sad
thing about that. Like back to what I was saying about,
how I bet these girls don't have an active father
in their lives. They're going to get a lenient sentence
because they're gonna say the judge's gonna say, well, these
are mothers. They have to take care of their children,
but they're not taking care of their Parny is the
whole reason they're behind this, because they're not taking care
of you. So what I'm concerned about is not them. Unfortunately,
(05:48):
those those four women are pretty much lost causes their children.
Their children are in five or ten years, and it
probably will be five years, ten years, fifteen years. They're
gonna be mothers and they're going to be in the
tom Brown House Project living there doing the same stuff.
A Look, we have generational poverty.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
But maybe if they see their mother went to jail
for doing something wrong and said, well, maybe I'll have
to think about this. I'm actually gonna have the book
thrown at me. Maybe I'll that's what happened to my mother,
because she did. But if they get away with it,
it encourages. It just continues to encourage when bad guys,
bad girls see bad girls, and bad boys get away
with it with no accountability.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I agree, if you have positive examples, you will be positive.
You are a product of your environment. And sadly, the
girls who are coming out of the situation, I assumed
they were fighting girls. It doesn't say in there who
they were going to fight. They said that fighting their
children doesn't say but I assume it's.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Again, it's bigger than his parents. It goes back to
elected officials. That's why it's so important to go vote.
Are your elected officials making public safety priority number one?
Whether it's UH city council folks, mayors, legislators, judges, prosecutors.
If they're not doing that, you're putting the wrong people
in office.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Great point. Paul DeMarco joining us in studio
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