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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Paul DeMarco joins this town, former state representative and former
(00:02):
chairman of the Republican Party in Jefferson County. Here. Good
to see my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome back in Good morning. Hope everybody's having a nice Friday.
Ready for the weekend, Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I mean, I was just talking with John wall who's
our party chair here for the state of Alabama, about
the brief that he filed. I don't know if you
caught that driving internet, but you know, we got to
fix a lot of things here and right here in
Jeers County. You know two things going on.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Right First, you had the United States Supreme Court take
up the redistricting case out of Louisiana that will have
dramatic effects not only for Alabama but around the country
depending what Supreme Court is doing and what they're talking
about is you know, racial jay amandering and will they say,
you know, will that be an a fact?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Did you happen to catch Supreme Court Justice Katanji Jackson's
horrible about Well, look, you know we have to do this.
Black people are disabled. What I mean, how if it's that?
Are you kidding me? I mean, I don't understand how
she can justify that statement by any means or how
she spends it or twists or steps backwards and kind
(01:11):
of wants to read group and say, no, that's not
what I meant. I meant this. I mean, what do
you mean? What do you mean by something like that?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And again the double standard. Why aren't people criticizing her
for saying that. Can you imagine if just Kavanaugh had
said that or somebody, I mean, but she gets the
pass on saying just a terrible thing about black voters.
The hypocrisy.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
If I'm a black voter, I'm like, are you kidding
me with this? I mean, I'm not handicapped, I can drive,
you know, I know how to vote, and you know what,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, again, the Supreme Court will rule next June on
this issue. And look, you know what's so interesting across
the country is jerrymandering going on in California. Look, let
me tell you what a cannet at Delaware, Hawaiian, Massachusetts,
New Mexico, New Hampshire, Rhde Island, and Vermont have in common,
(02:05):
not one Republican congressman. They're gerrymandering and they're deciding those
voters don't have a say, but in places like Alabama
in Jefferson County, where we just had this ruling that
the Eleventh Circuit just put on stay. The Democrat county
commissioners were deciding what they wanted their districts to looked
(02:26):
like it was based on politics, on party affiliation, not
on race, and thank goodness, the Eleventh Circuit put this
on stay. So for your listeners, a federal judge had
ruled that Jefferson County would have to redistrict their districts,
which would ultimately ended up being three Democrats to Republicans
as opposed to three Republicans.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Here's my whole thing on districting lines. Why do they
do it this way? Why not just geographically, you know,
split it up in population from top to bottom down
the state north to south. Here they are and equal
representation based on population and not politics or race or
(03:09):
anything else. And you elect somebody in that arena.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, and you're using a term when you come to
redistrict it's called communities of interest, which basically you say,
you know, you put kind of neighborhoods kind of in
the same area, and that's what redistricting should be. Well,
they had to get away from that because of all
this racial gear amandering. I mean, if you you look
at some of these districts, I mean, they don't make
any sense. That the one they're arguing over in Louisiana
(03:34):
they started when they had to create a new district,
started in Shreveport and it went over to Baton Rouge.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Right, the one I'm in that was Redistrict where I
had Gary Palmer, I now have Terry Sewell, you look
at the map on that, it's like, oh no, we're
going to get this peninsula of coverage down here because
it covers a black population and they've got to be
included equally. And what am I wrong? Is this too
common sense to just look come down to the state.
(04:00):
If there's five million people and there's twenty seven districts
or whatever it is, divide that number and we need
x amount of people in each district. Then okay, here's
how we're going to draw the map. Okay, you know,
not just circling types of people, color, political party, whatever. No,
there's bodies here. This is how we're splitting it up.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Look, Alabama, was is that a problem? Well, Alabama legislature was.
The new congressional map starts in Mobile and goes all
the way to Phoenix City to the Georgia border. I
want you to think about that. From Mobile, they split
up Mobile and create a district that went from basically
Mobile to Mobile Bay to Phoenix City, Alabama.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Give me the state map, Can I please draw the line? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I mean, so that's where we are, and that's what
we'll be taken up. And it's been taken up by
the Supreme Court and we'll rule next June to stop
some of this racial geimandering and get back to what
these other states they're doing at political Look, I mean
it's other states where I said there's not one Republican.
There are Republicans in New Hampshire, in Massachusetts, other state,
but they're doing it based on politics on.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Point well, I think it's wrong. You know, McKenzie, our
producers outsick today, John Mounts, our program directors in here.
You and I have had this discussion. Why what am
I suggesting something that's outraged.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What you're describing is is right, is exactly what they're doing,
but they're doing it the wrong way. So the year
you're right, you have a let's say, what's Alabama's population, Paul,
about five million? So five million people divided by seven
people and then you end up with eight hundred thousand
in every one of the districts. And it's a matter
where they place the lines. But how they should do
is say this is the Birmingham Metropolitan Area. You have
(05:34):
one representative for the Birmingham metropolitan Area. This is Huntsville Metropolitanaria.
This is the you know, the wiregrass and so on
and so forth. But the way they're doing it is
trying to lunch.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Oh, I get how they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And what the Eleventh Circuit said is you have to
have a residency requirement a year in advance. Well, it's
what is the deadline was coming up in the next
two or three weeks, so they're gonna have to redraw
on the maps, and people weren't gonna have time to
decide do I even live in the district. So the
court said this is way too close. I mean, think
about this. Qualifying for party primaries is in January. The
p party primaries I think are May to nineteenth, So
(06:07):
to change all these maps when the court the elections
are around the corner. And so that's why the Eleventh
Circuit said no. But we've also had the same issue
with the state Senate. There's a map that would change
the state Senate map. Again, we're about six months away,
so we're waiting on that ruling. Will the Eleventh Circuit
also stay that or will the legislative.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Are not going to change the policy on how they
do it?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, that's why we're all watching this United States Supreme
Court ruling that will come out next June. We will
just put this aside so we can have some sort
of so.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You could be back in the sixth where you belong,
because right now you're in the seventh.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, but this this based on this new map, you
would have been in a Democrat district. Based on this
eleventh this Jefferson County Commission.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Let the chips fall where they may, and just forget
about race and politics, you know, get down to drawing
the lines based on population. All right, in this section
of the state, the first eight hundred thoud and boom
there it is right there, coming right to left or
left to right, and you know, north to south. Let's
get the next eight thousand, how many how many districts
we got, how many circles we got to have on
(07:09):
the map. Do it by population and geographically making sense,
not based on anything else.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You see what California is doing. I mean this court
court ruling will be a major dramatic effect across the
country depending on what the spin Court does.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Prison systems are are a tough bird. I mean it's
they're full of criminals, obviously, and the people that run
the prisons on a day to day basis. I'm not
talking about the government entities in Montgomery. I'm talking about
the folks that are there every day driving in. It's
a tough job to go to and there's there's all
kinds of problems. We know that with contraband and sometimes
(07:50):
things get out of control and next thing you know,
guards are being accused of this, and guards are be
accused of that, with mistreatment of prisoners, and how are
the drugs getting in? There is always a question in there.
So the problem in Alabama for decades, Paul has been
we need new prisons. Aren't there plans to build? And
(08:11):
my gosh, they're expensive. J T.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
What year did you get to Alabama?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
My first tour was nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty four,
and then Judy and I moved for ten years and
came back in ninety five.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Okay, well, I've got a book on the first Fob
James governor Fob James administration, and guess what, there's a
chapter on prisons. Okay again, yes, over decades. And look
there's a federal lawsuit against the state. No one is
going to defend when a prisoner is there's some sort
of issue there that violates somebody's civil rights, no question
(08:44):
about it. But there are also some folks who don't
want prisons. Look at the guy running for mayor of
New York. He doesn't even want it. There to be
a rest for misdemeanors. There's some folks who do not
believe in the criminal justice system. So we have to
have prisons. And our prisons are violent felons. You go
shoplift today, you're not going to end up in a
(09:05):
Alabama state prison. J two, don't go shoplift. But we're
not gonna You're not gonna end up stake. So I'm
telling you eighty percent of the prison are really built
with violent felons.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You look what happened in Montgomery. That's going around you
know those are in prison. So, yes, we need to
have a prison system. They're building two new prisons ones
hopefully getting close. But it's a billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
There's I know, we talked about it. There's a new
HBO's special on Alabama prisons that just came out the
other day. And I was doing an event last night
for Cornerstone Schools by the way, incredible schools, and doctor
Carr has done a great job over eighteen years and
really moving things forward and growing what's going on and
helping these inner city kids. Uh. And they had their
(09:51):
first graduate by the way, from Harvard recently. So yeah,
and they have one hundred percent graduation rates, by the way.
Unders So anyway, one of the guests that it was
their is Marshall's.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But instant who's running Robinson?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, Katherin Robinson, who was running for Attorney General when
Steve vacates. And this conversation broke out, and I said,
you know, the accusations in this HBO and you always
got to look at who's producing this film and what's
the agenda behind this type of production, And I guess
the whole thing and I haven't seen it comes off
as how horrible people are to prisoners in Alabama prisons here?
(10:30):
Now are there problems with you know, guards abusing prisoners
across the country in some cases, Yeah, should they be
called out for that and held accountable? Yeah, but this
video or film if you call, will take it to
the next level of you know, these poor prisoners. And
(10:51):
I thought, you know, one of the biggest issues. I
said to her, these prisons are in shambles, and she said, absolutely,
we have to build new prisons. But the question is
the money. They're extremely expensive to build. Where's it coming from?
So does it come out of general fund? I see
there's some push out of the education budget, raising taxes, lottery.
(11:13):
I mean where do where does Okay, there's the answer,
where's the money come from?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, and it's Robertson not Robinson. So look, it is
a priority. It has been debated for decades the legislature
in the past ten years. How do we find the money.
There's had to use bond issues. I think they use
some of the the COVID moneies were used. I mean, again,
we're a billion dollars, then we need two prisons. And
(11:38):
even then I don't even think they've built enough sales. Yeah,
it's like, don't shut down the old ones. We may
need the old ones and the new ones right unfortunately,
because you can't let out these violent felons. So the
legislature and it will be an issue that Senator Governor
Tarberville will have to do. It will be one of
the major issues, is this prison system. Because he is
(11:59):
for publics. It will be a number one priority for
him and he will have to continue to deal with this.
Governor Ivy again under administration is building two prisons. It
is a hard job. And they have raised the pay
for prison guards because I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You've got to recruit good officers, you know, in the
prison system and the guards. And if you're not paying
good money, guess what, they're not coming to work for you.
So you end up getting what you can get.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, this whole anti police and law enforcement that we've had,
and we see it across the country. I see it
even in my neighborhood where you have some folks who
are anti police. So it is harder to recruit to police,
to prison guards. So we've got to appreciate every one
of these men and women who are law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Those professions are looked down upon by a big segment
of our population unfortunately
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And they're the thin blue line between US and the
bad guys right okay,
Paul DeMarco joins this town, former state representative and former
(00:02):
chairman of the Republican Party in Jefferson County. Here. Good
to see my brother.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome back in Good morning. Hope everybody's having a nice Friday.
Ready for the weekend, Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I mean, I was just talking with John wall who's
our party chair here for the state of Alabama, about
the brief that he filed. I don't know if you
caught that driving internet, but you know, we got to
fix a lot of things here and right here in
Jeers County. You know two things going on.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Right First, you had the United States Supreme Court take
up the redistricting case out of Louisiana that will have
dramatic effects not only for Alabama but around the country
depending what Supreme Court is doing and what they're talking
about is you know, racial jay amandering and will they say,
you know, will that be an a fact?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Did you happen to catch Supreme Court Justice Katanji Jackson's
horrible about Well, look, you know we have to do this.
Black people are disabled. What I mean, how if it's that?
Are you kidding me? I mean, I don't understand how
she can justify that statement by any means or how
she spends it or twists or steps backwards and kind
(01:11):
of wants to read group and say, no, that's not
what I meant. I meant this. I mean, what do
you mean? What do you mean by something like that?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
And again the double standard. Why aren't people criticizing her
for saying that. Can you imagine if just Kavanaugh had
said that or somebody, I mean, but she gets the
pass on saying just a terrible thing about black voters.
The hypocrisy.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
If I'm a black voter, I'm like, are you kidding
me with this? I mean, I'm not handicapped, I can drive,
you know, I know how to vote, and you know what,
what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Well, again, the Supreme Court will rule next June on
this issue. And look, you know what's so interesting across
the country is jerrymandering going on in California. Look, let
me tell you what a cannet at Delaware, Hawaiian, Massachusetts,
New Mexico, New Hampshire, Rhde Island, and Vermont have in common,
(02:05):
not one Republican congressman. They're gerrymandering and they're deciding those
voters don't have a say, but in places like Alabama
in Jefferson County, where we just had this ruling that
the Eleventh Circuit just put on stay. The Democrat county
commissioners were deciding what they wanted their districts to looked
(02:26):
like it was based on politics, on party affiliation, not
on race, and thank goodness, the Eleventh Circuit put this
on stay. So for your listeners, a federal judge had
ruled that Jefferson County would have to redistrict their districts,
which would ultimately ended up being three Democrats to Republicans
as opposed to three Republicans.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Here's my whole thing on districting lines. Why do they
do it this way? Why not just geographically, you know,
split it up in population from top to bottom down
the state north to south. Here they are and equal
representation based on population and not politics or race or
(03:09):
anything else. And you elect somebody in that arena.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Well, and you're using a term when you come to
redistrict it's called communities of interest, which basically you say,
you know, you put kind of neighborhoods kind of in
the same area, and that's what redistricting should be. Well,
they had to get away from that because of all
this racial gear amandering. I mean, if you you look
at some of these districts, I mean, they don't make
any sense. That the one they're arguing over in Louisiana
(03:34):
they started when they had to create a new district,
started in Shreveport and it went over to Baton Rouge.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Right, the one I'm in that was Redistrict where I
had Gary Palmer, I now have Terry Sewell, you look
at the map on that, it's like, oh no, we're
going to get this peninsula of coverage down here because
it covers a black population and they've got to be
included equally. And what am I wrong? Is this too
common sense to just look come down to the state.
(04:00):
If there's five million people and there's twenty seven districts
or whatever it is, divide that number and we need
x amount of people in each district. Then okay, here's
how we're going to draw the map. Okay, you know,
not just circling types of people, color, political party, whatever. No,
there's bodies here. This is how we're splitting it up.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Look, Alabama, was is that a problem? Well, Alabama legislature was.
The new congressional map starts in Mobile and goes all
the way to Phoenix City to the Georgia border. I
want you to think about that. From Mobile, they split
up Mobile and create a district that went from basically
Mobile to Mobile Bay to Phoenix City, Alabama.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Give me the state map, Can I please draw the line? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I mean, so that's where we are, and that's what
we'll be taken up. And it's been taken up by
the Supreme Court and we'll rule next June to stop
some of this racial geimandering and get back to what
these other states they're doing at political Look, I mean
it's other states where I said there's not one Republican.
There are Republicans in New Hampshire, in Massachusetts, other state,
but they're doing it based on politics on.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Point well, I think it's wrong. You know, McKenzie, our
producers outsick today, John Mounts, our program directors in here.
You and I have had this discussion. Why what am
I suggesting something that's outraged.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
What you're describing is is right, is exactly what they're doing,
but they're doing it the wrong way. So the year
you're right, you have a let's say, what's Alabama's population, Paul,
about five million? So five million people divided by seven
people and then you end up with eight hundred thousand
in every one of the districts. And it's a matter
where they place the lines. But how they should do
is say this is the Birmingham Metropolitan Area. You have
(05:34):
one representative for the Birmingham metropolitan Area. This is Huntsville Metropolitanaria.
This is the you know, the wiregrass and so on
and so forth. But the way they're doing it is
trying to lunch.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Oh, I get how they're doing it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And what the Eleventh Circuit said is you have to
have a residency requirement a year in advance. Well, it's
what is the deadline was coming up in the next
two or three weeks, so they're gonna have to redraw
on the maps, and people weren't gonna have time to
decide do I even live in the district. So the
court said this is way too close. I mean, think
about this. Qualifying for party primaries is in January. The
p party primaries I think are May to nineteenth, So
(06:07):
to change all these maps when the court the elections
are around the corner. And so that's why the Eleventh
Circuit said no. But we've also had the same issue
with the state Senate. There's a map that would change
the state Senate map. Again, we're about six months away,
so we're waiting on that ruling. Will the Eleventh Circuit
also stay that or will the legislative.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Are not going to change the policy on how they
do it?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, that's why we're all watching this United States Supreme
Court ruling that will come out next June. We will
just put this aside so we can have some sort
of so.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You could be back in the sixth where you belong,
because right now you're in the seventh.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, but this this based on this new map, you
would have been in a Democrat district. Based on this
eleventh this Jefferson County Commission.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Let the chips fall where they may, and just forget
about race and politics, you know, get down to drawing
the lines based on population. All right, in this section
of the state, the first eight hundred thoud and boom
there it is right there, coming right to left or
left to right, and you know, north to south. Let's
get the next eight thousand, how many how many districts
we got, how many circles we got to have on
(07:09):
the map. Do it by population and geographically making sense,
not based on anything else.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You see what California is doing. I mean this court
court ruling will be a major dramatic effect across the
country depending on what the spin Court does.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Prison systems are are a tough bird. I mean it's
they're full of criminals, obviously, and the people that run
the prisons on a day to day basis. I'm not
talking about the government entities in Montgomery. I'm talking about
the folks that are there every day driving in. It's
a tough job to go to and there's there's all
kinds of problems. We know that with contraband and sometimes
(07:50):
things get out of control and next thing you know,
guards are being accused of this, and guards are be
accused of that, with mistreatment of prisoners, and how are
the drugs getting in? There is always a question in there.
So the problem in Alabama for decades, Paul has been
we need new prisons. Aren't there plans to build? And
(08:11):
my gosh, they're expensive. J T.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
What year did you get to Alabama?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
My first tour was nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty four,
and then Judy and I moved for ten years and
came back in ninety five.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Okay, well, I've got a book on the first Fob
James governor Fob James administration, and guess what, there's a
chapter on prisons. Okay again, yes, over decades. And look
there's a federal lawsuit against the state. No one is
going to defend when a prisoner is there's some sort
of issue there that violates somebody's civil rights, no question
(08:44):
about it. But there are also some folks who don't
want prisons. Look at the guy running for mayor of
New York. He doesn't even want it. There to be
a rest for misdemeanors. There's some folks who do not
believe in the criminal justice system. So we have to
have prisons. And our prisons are violent felons. You go
shoplift today, you're not going to end up in a
(09:05):
Alabama state prison. J two, don't go shoplift. But we're
not gonna You're not gonna end up stake. So I'm
telling you eighty percent of the prison are really built
with violent felons.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
You look what happened in Montgomery. That's going around you
know those are in prison. So, yes, we need to
have a prison system. They're building two new prisons ones
hopefully getting close. But it's a billion dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
There's I know, we talked about it. There's a new
HBO's special on Alabama prisons that just came out the
other day. And I was doing an event last night
for Cornerstone Schools by the way, incredible schools, and doctor
Carr has done a great job over eighteen years and
really moving things forward and growing what's going on and
helping these inner city kids. Uh. And they had their
(09:51):
first graduate by the way, from Harvard recently. So yeah,
and they have one hundred percent graduation rates, by the way.
Unders So anyway, one of the guests that it was
their is Marshall's.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
But instant who's running Robinson?
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Yeah, Katherin Robinson, who was running for Attorney General when
Steve vacates. And this conversation broke out, and I said,
you know, the accusations in this HBO and you always
got to look at who's producing this film and what's
the agenda behind this type of production, And I guess
the whole thing and I haven't seen it comes off
as how horrible people are to prisoners in Alabama prisons here?
(10:30):
Now are there problems with you know, guards abusing prisoners
across the country in some cases, Yeah, should they be
called out for that and held accountable? Yeah, but this
video or film if you call, will take it to
the next level of you know, these poor prisoners. And
(10:51):
I thought, you know, one of the biggest issues. I
said to her, these prisons are in shambles, and she said, absolutely,
we have to build new prisons. But the question is
the money. They're extremely expensive to build. Where's it coming from?
So does it come out of general fund? I see
there's some push out of the education budget, raising taxes, lottery.
(11:13):
I mean where do where does Okay, there's the answer,
where's the money come from?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, and it's Robertson not Robinson. So look, it is
a priority. It has been debated for decades the legislature
in the past ten years. How do we find the money.
There's had to use bond issues. I think they use
some of the the COVID moneies were used. I mean, again,
we're a billion dollars, then we need two prisons. And
(11:38):
even then I don't even think they've built enough sales. Yeah,
it's like, don't shut down the old ones. We may
need the old ones and the new ones right unfortunately,
because you can't let out these violent felons. So the
legislature and it will be an issue that Senator Governor
Tarberville will have to do. It will be one of
the major issues, is this prison system. Because he is
(11:59):
for publics. It will be a number one priority for
him and he will have to continue to deal with this.
Governor Ivy again under administration is building two prisons. It
is a hard job. And they have raised the pay
for prison guards because I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You've got to recruit good officers, you know, in the
prison system and the guards. And if you're not paying
good money, guess what, they're not coming to work for you.
So you end up getting what you can get.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, this whole anti police and law enforcement that we've had,
and we see it across the country. I see it
even in my neighborhood where you have some folks who
are anti police. So it is harder to recruit to police,
to prison guards. So we've got to appreciate every one
of these men and women who are law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Those professions are looked down upon by a big segment
of our population unfortunately
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And they're the thin blue line between US and the
bad guys right okay,
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It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
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