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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, I tell you the government shutdown. Nothing happened over
(00:02):
the weekend. It's still shut down. Don't get excited. He'll
speaker Mike Johnson on Fox yesterday talking about how the
Democrats have now voted fourteen times to keep it closed.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Democrats have voted fourteen times now, Shannon, to keep the
government closed. You have the major airlines in the country.
You have every segment of the population and hard working
Americans who will be going without. You have forty two
million recipients of SNAP that are in jeopardy right now.
You have women, infants, in children because the nutrition program
the President Trump and the White House have heroically funded
(00:30):
thus far is running out of money. And of course
the troops. I mean we've gotten them paid now for
two cycles, but that money is not inexhaustible, and it's
running out, and so increasingly the American people will be
feeling the pain. And after we pass that threshold of
the first of this month, it gets very real for
more and more people.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, join 's not to talk a little bit more
about this. Expert in political science, Doctor Boa Cabala is back. Doctor.
Welcome in, thanks for being here this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey, good morning, Thank you so much. For having me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So last week the subject of the nuclear move came
up ending the Philip Buster, and it's like everybody's like, well, wait,
he has a trump card. He can play something here
and get this over.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Let's do yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But then all of a sudden, it's like, hold on
a minute, let's I mean, even the Vice president pulled
him over. It's mister President, not a good idea. Let's
not do this. So talk to me about why this
is important, to discuss the possibility of that happening, and
why it probably shouldn't happen.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, you know, I think it's increasingly a dire situations
in nearing the longest government shut down ever, And so
Josh Holly, Senator Holly had a really compelling article the
other day in the New York Times talking about how
forty two million Americans are at risk of losing food
(01:46):
stamp benefits. So I'll be honest with you, I'm not
sure that it's a terrible idea, especially given that the
President is proposing something very minimal and not a rules
change in the Senate at all.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, you know, the sixty votes needed currently now versus
if he goes nuclear and gets rid of the filibus
there and be fifty votes plus the time breaker with
a vice president. So all well and good, All well
and good as long as you're in control of the Senate,
the House, in the White House. But if this flips
on us, I mean, it could be disastrous. We know
what the Democrats want to do to this country and
it ain't good. It's not good at all.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
No, I hear you. I'll tell you. What really concerned
me is you see some of the polling where traditionally
the party that is saying we won't really and then
government unless you give us this has lost. Well, Democrats
seem to be doing a little better in terms of
the polling this time around. Traditionally, and I'm not saying
(02:43):
it's informed, but traditionally are stronger when it comes to
healthcare and especially on the issue of food stamps. To me,
the risk that in the public relations arena that the
Republican Party is branded as withholding food stamp benefits and
(03:04):
really not taking decisive action to prevent this Democrat shutdown,
that's a growing risk. And so that's why I do
think it wouldn't be a rules change. We can get
into it. But that's what I think is why. That's
why I think the President and two senators now have said,
let's take a real look at this.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Where do you think the perception lies more with the
Democrats is blamed for the shutdown or Republicans? Do you
think it's split and the American people are just sick
and tired of DC in the way it works.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
What we're seeing now, and this is really kind of surprising,
I think, is it's an even split. And there's even
some recent polling. There was a NBC poll that suggests
about two or three percentage points now Republicans are being
a blame. So what I like about the President's proposal
(03:57):
is it's not changing the Senate rule. And even the
Senate rules have been changed. Of course, you know before
nineteen seventeen there was no cloture vote possibility. In nineteen
seventy five, it comes down from sixty six to sixty.
This is just about the majority leader raising a point
of order and saying that on something like this, reopening
(04:18):
the government, you need a simple majority. So then the
presiding Officer, of course, Elizabeth McDonough, probably expected to rule
that that's not sustained based on existing rules. But then
Senator Soune can appeal that. You can appeal the ruling
of the parliamentarian and it goes to a simple majority vote,
(04:39):
and the majority of the Senate in this instance can
override the sixty vote requirement. But that wouldn't be changing
the Senate rule. So, especially given that it's not changing
the Senate rule, I think given how close the polling is,
we ought to look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
From a pr stand. I understand what you're saying. But
if in fact this does I believe it does change
the Senate rules. You know, it changes the vote, it
changes on how we get it done. It's it's not
in place right now, and if we put it in place,
is this just a one off for this event that
we're going through now.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No, And respectfully, this is the key point. We have
changed Senate rules before. This would not be that to
change the rules you have to do that at the
beginning of the congressional session. And again, that happens in
nineteen seventeen, it happens in the nineteen seventies. This is
establishing a president. And I would even go so far
(05:38):
as to say, even if it were interpreted as a rule,
change change it back when forty two million people have
received assurance that their food stamps are on the way,
when our airports are running smoothly. Imagine just the liner,
the one line from Republicans of the president. We had
to feed you. We had to stop the Democrat filibuster. Okay,
(06:02):
I think it's the winner.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
All right, So you do it now and then you
get it ready back on board. Okay, you know, we
open the government. Schumer, Now, come on over and let's
sit down and talk about this craziness you're doing here.
Now we're open to so he doesn't have to give
in to Schumer by ending the filibuster. It just changes
it to open the government, and Schumer's gonna have to
take it and like it. And we accomplish Republicans getting
(06:24):
the SNAP program going again, the airlines working again, and
now it's back to the bargaining table with Schumern's crazies. Okay,
now let's talk about the trillion dollar health benefits.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yep, I got you. Well, I notice absolutely, and it's
the Democrats will never have this talking point. We reopened
the government to feed you, bred Trump did have that.
Republicans got yeah, And then of course I would say
on principal grounds make sure the filibuster is there in
the next Congress. But to see Senator Bernie Moreno from
(06:57):
Ohio Senator Tommy Tuber from Alabama say, I think if
there's think the polling, there's thing close to the polling
is sorry Couverville, and they're seeing how close this is
and what the risk is. I think, for you know,
the entire nationalist American agenda.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
If this drags on all right quickly, why then is
Vice President Vance and Mike Johnson, you know, so opposed
to it?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, and I don't know what the backchannel conversations are.
If anybody suggesting to Schumer, look, unless you do the
right thing, this is where we're headed. I think constitutionally
there would be misgivings, a sadness. I mean, the Senate
is a distinctive institution. It's not meant to be the House.
So the seer might be, well, we don't go back
(07:43):
to the Philip uster, or we don't reaffirm it in
the in the rules. But I would again say, consider
what the what the risk is. And so that's where
I think we all love the Senate's distinctiveness. Nobody really
wants to see it changed permanently. I just think we're
approaching this is about to be the longest government shutdown ever.
(08:04):
We're hours away, and so that's what I'm I think
that's what the president is and that's what the president
is looking at.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, maybe the headline is better for Donald Trump and
he says, look, I opened the government back up so
we wouldn't starve people in America. That's a pretty good headline.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So, well, what we're thinking about.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, buddy. Well, we'll keep an
eye on it. Thank you so much, doctor bow. I
appreciate you once again, expert in politics, no doubt about it.
Doctor Bocabala.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
There
Well, I tell you the government shutdown. Nothing happened over
(00:02):
the weekend. It's still shut down. Don't get excited. He'll
speaker Mike Johnson on Fox yesterday talking about how the
Democrats have now voted fourteen times to keep it closed.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Democrats have voted fourteen times now, Shannon, to keep the
government closed. You have the major airlines in the country.
You have every segment of the population and hard working
Americans who will be going without. You have forty two
million recipients of SNAP that are in jeopardy right now.
You have women, infants, in children because the nutrition program
the President Trump and the White House have heroically funded
(00:30):
thus far is running out of money. And of course
the troops. I mean we've gotten them paid now for
two cycles, but that money is not inexhaustible, and it's
running out, and so increasingly the American people will be
feeling the pain. And after we pass that threshold of
the first of this month, it gets very real for
more and more people.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Well, join 's not to talk a little bit more
about this. Expert in political science, Doctor Boa Cabala is back. Doctor.
Welcome in, thanks for being here this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey, good morning, Thank you so much. For having me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So last week the subject of the nuclear move came
up ending the Philip Buster, and it's like everybody's like, well, wait,
he has a trump card. He can play something here
and get this over.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Let's do yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
But then all of a sudden, it's like, hold on
a minute, let's I mean, even the Vice president pulled
him over. It's mister President, not a good idea. Let's
not do this. So talk to me about why this
is important, to discuss the possibility of that happening, and
why it probably shouldn't happen.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, you know, I think it's increasingly a dire situations
in nearing the longest government shut down ever, And so
Josh Holly, Senator Holly had a really compelling article the
other day in the New York Times talking about how
forty two million Americans are at risk of losing food
(01:46):
stamp benefits. So I'll be honest with you, I'm not
sure that it's a terrible idea, especially given that the
President is proposing something very minimal and not a rules
change in the Senate at all.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Well, you know, the sixty votes needed currently now versus
if he goes nuclear and gets rid of the filibus
there and be fifty votes plus the time breaker with
a vice president. So all well and good, All well
and good as long as you're in control of the Senate,
the House, in the White House. But if this flips
on us, I mean, it could be disastrous. We know
what the Democrats want to do to this country and
it ain't good. It's not good at all.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
No, I hear you. I'll tell you. What really concerned
me is you see some of the polling where traditionally
the party that is saying we won't really and then
government unless you give us this has lost. Well, Democrats
seem to be doing a little better in terms of
the polling this time around. Traditionally, and I'm not saying
(02:43):
it's informed, but traditionally are stronger when it comes to
healthcare and especially on the issue of food stamps. To me,
the risk that in the public relations arena that the
Republican Party is branded as withholding food stamp benefits and
(03:04):
really not taking decisive action to prevent this Democrat shutdown,
that's a growing risk. And so that's why I do
think it wouldn't be a rules change. We can get
into it. But that's what I think is why. That's
why I think the President and two senators now have said,
let's take a real look at this.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Where do you think the perception lies more with the
Democrats is blamed for the shutdown or Republicans? Do you
think it's split and the American people are just sick
and tired of DC in the way it works.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
What we're seeing now, and this is really kind of surprising,
I think, is it's an even split. And there's even
some recent polling. There was a NBC poll that suggests
about two or three percentage points now Republicans are being
a blame. So what I like about the President's proposal
(03:57):
is it's not changing the Senate rule. And even the
Senate rules have been changed. Of course, you know before
nineteen seventeen there was no cloture vote possibility. In nineteen
seventy five, it comes down from sixty six to sixty.
This is just about the majority leader raising a point
of order and saying that on something like this, reopening
(04:18):
the government, you need a simple majority. So then the
presiding Officer, of course, Elizabeth McDonough, probably expected to rule
that that's not sustained based on existing rules. But then
Senator Soune can appeal that. You can appeal the ruling
of the parliamentarian and it goes to a simple majority vote,
(04:39):
and the majority of the Senate in this instance can
override the sixty vote requirement. But that wouldn't be changing
the Senate rule. So, especially given that it's not changing
the Senate rule, I think given how close the polling is,
we ought to look at it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
From a pr stand. I understand what you're saying. But
if in fact this does I believe it does change
the Senate rules. You know, it changes the vote, it
changes on how we get it done. It's it's not
in place right now, and if we put it in place,
is this just a one off for this event that
we're going through now.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
No, And respectfully, this is the key point. We have
changed Senate rules before. This would not be that to
change the rules you have to do that at the
beginning of the congressional session. And again, that happens in
nineteen seventeen, it happens in the nineteen seventies. This is
establishing a president. And I would even go so far
(05:38):
as to say, even if it were interpreted as a rule,
change change it back when forty two million people have
received assurance that their food stamps are on the way,
when our airports are running smoothly. Imagine just the liner,
the one line from Republicans of the president. We had
to feed you. We had to stop the Democrat filibuster. Okay,
(06:02):
I think it's the winner.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
All right, So you do it now and then you
get it ready back on board. Okay, you know, we
open the government. Schumer, Now, come on over and let's
sit down and talk about this craziness you're doing here.
Now we're open to so he doesn't have to give
in to Schumer by ending the filibuster. It just changes
it to open the government, and Schumer's gonna have to
take it and like it. And we accomplish Republicans getting
(06:24):
the SNAP program going again, the airlines working again, and
now it's back to the bargaining table with Schumern's crazies. Okay,
now let's talk about the trillion dollar health benefits.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yep, I got you. Well, I notice absolutely, and it's
the Democrats will never have this talking point. We reopened
the government to feed you, bred Trump did have that.
Republicans got yeah, And then of course I would say
on principal grounds make sure the filibuster is there in
the next Congress. But to see Senator Bernie Moreno from
(06:57):
Ohio Senator Tommy Tuber from Alabama say, I think if
there's think the polling, there's thing close to the polling
is sorry Couverville, and they're seeing how close this is
and what the risk is. I think, for you know,
the entire nationalist American agenda.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
If this drags on all right quickly, why then is
Vice President Vance and Mike Johnson, you know, so opposed
to it?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well, and I don't know what the backchannel conversations are.
If anybody suggesting to Schumer, look, unless you do the
right thing, this is where we're headed. I think constitutionally
there would be misgivings, a sadness. I mean, the Senate
is a distinctive institution. It's not meant to be the House.
So the seer might be, well, we don't go back
(07:43):
to the Philip uster, or we don't reaffirm it in
the in the rules. But I would again say, consider
what the what the risk is. And so that's where
I think we all love the Senate's distinctiveness. Nobody really
wants to see it changed permanently. I just think we're
approaching this is about to be the longest government shutdown ever.
(08:04):
We're hours away, and so that's what I'm I think
that's what the president is and that's what the president
is looking at.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, maybe the headline is better for Donald Trump and
he says, look, I opened the government back up so
we wouldn't starve people in America. That's a pretty good headline.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So, well, what we're thinking about.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you, buddy. Well, we'll keep an
eye on it. Thank you so much, doctor bow. I
appreciate you once again, expert in politics, no doubt about it.
Doctor Bocabala.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
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