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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Andy's now talk a little bit more about what's happening
here is Charlie Kirk's message was all about his faith,
and his whole message to young people on these campuses
was open discussion and debate on things in their lives
and what's happening in our country. And he was a
big Trump supporter, obviously, but it came from his position
of faith, as he was a huge believer in Jesus
(00:21):
Christ and that we all ought to live our lives
with that foundation. To start things off, Johnny's now Reverend
Jim Harten to talk a little bit more about this
with Compass Care. Jim, it's good to have you back on.
Thanks for being with me this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thanks, it's always approached to be with you. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You know, when I first got the message from John,
our program director, I was on a flight to Washington
to go watch my son's team West Virginia beat Pitt
and it was a great weekend. But I was on
the plane sitting on the tarmac and John sent me
the text message. It was on Wednesday, and he said,
Charlie Kirk has just been shot. And I'm like, oh
my god, no, And all I knew was he was
(00:58):
shot and he was rushed to the hospital and the
plane took off. I was not aware that he did
not make it until we landed on the other end
of the trip. And it's just just it was a
huge punch in the guy. This one struck me different
than a lot of things when you hear about people
getting shot. I thought, oh my god, you know, this
guy was on a mission and they killed him because
(01:20):
of his faith. That's the first thing that came to
my mind. And this is not a political battle, this
is a spiritual warfare. I believe that we're in with
this whole situation, and it's getting worse, it seems in
our society today.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I agree. You know when I first heard it that
I got a text message too, saying that Charlie has
been shot. And you know, I instantly the talking points
out of the Democrat left, from Kamala Harris to Gavin
Newsom to Schumer was the same, exact, eerie and soulless phrase,
(02:01):
political violence has no place in America. And as soon
as I heard that, I thought, exactly what you thought
when you were on the plane. This was not political violence.
This was religious persecution, plain and simple. In a recent
interview with Charlie Kirk, the interviewer asked him if you
know how he wanted to be remembered interestingly enough, and
he said, he said, I want to remember for my courage,
(02:21):
for my faith, for courage for my faith. And I
say this a lot, you know, Yeah, Charlie Kirk talked
about things that are in the political kind of arena
in the public square, because that's a springboard into talking
about things that matter, the truth, the purpose of mankind,
and the role of government in human affairs. He was
(02:42):
first and foremost a Christian. His faith in Christ was
not at all private, and it not only motivated him
but also informed the moral and political positions that he
espoused on college campuses in such a winsome and almost
oftentimes humorous way.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Here's that clip you were talking about, how would you
want to be remembered. I want to be I want
to be remembered for courage from my faith. That would
be the most important, most important thing to my faith
in You know, you're so right, Jim. When he brought
up the conversations with these kids on these campuses, you
know a lot of it had to do with, you know,
transgender a lot of it had to do with belief
(03:22):
and how people live their lives as young people. You know,
your thoughts on a number of topics, but it wasn't
necessarily all the time. In fact, most of the time
it didn't start with why do you believe what you believe?
When it comes to Jesus. It was about social flow
of the day and you know, social media issues that
these young people were discussing all the time and asking
(03:45):
to please tell us why you believe this when so
many people, including me, believe the other direction on X
y Z topic. And You're right, it always came back
to opinions are great, opinions are fine to have, but
at the bottom line, the end of the day, it
comes back to my faith. And I'm going to tell
you why I believe what I believe. And it's not
because I just am jumping on a bandwagon today that'll
(04:07):
be different tomorrow. I'm on this position because of where
the center of my life is, and that's in a
relationship with Jesus Christ. And I got to tell you, you
know it more than you know a lot of people.
As Reverend, you mentioned Jesus's name in a room full
of people, and you just watch people's reaction. It's you know,
people get weirded out just for the discussion of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Right. Well, in America, for the last fifty years, we've
been intentionally de christianizing. We've been we've been purveying the
lie through public education and you know, media, et cetera.
That you know, to be objective is to be non Christian.
To be you know, to be secular is to be thoughtful.
(04:51):
And that's just not the case. To be To unknoor
ourselves from God, to extract God from the equation of
what it means to be human and and and the
role of government and human affairs is to set us
adrift on a sea of chaos. Because without understanding our purpose,
we cannot know what is right and wrong. You cannot
(05:11):
universalize a moral construct that all people can say, oh yeah,
that makes sense. But if if we're a Christian and
we are aligned with our maker, then we know our purposes.
You know what when when when Charlie was shot, my
wife called me and she said, my son, one of
my sons I have ten kids, was asking her what
is what is sin? Interestingly, and she said, Jim, how
(05:32):
would you answer that? And I said, sin is thinking
and behaving in ways that are inconsistent with the character
and nature of God in whose image we are made.
We are designed to reflect the light of the and
of the glory of God Almighty, because we're the crown
of creation, and because of that we understand that all
(05:53):
humans are infinitely valuable. We are we are you know,
our creator, I mean Thomas Jefferson, the dependent Orsi of Independence,
said it best. We are endowed by our creator capital c,
not our government, as Kim Kane thinks. We are endowed
by our creator with certain unalienable rights. In the first
of those is the right to life. And Charlie Kirk
(06:15):
was robbed of his right to life. And by the
way I think America was robbed, I think it was
a cheap shot. I think the reason why people are
so you know, you know, Christians and non Christians alike,
so beside themselves with this assassination is because we've been
We've been backhanded across the right sheep Jesus. Jesus described
(06:36):
this situation perfectly in Matthew Fire. When somebody stripes you
on your right cheek, and by the way, most people
are right handed. So if you get struck. You're gonna
get struck by somebody's right hand. If you're getting struck
on your right cheek, that means you're getting back handed.
And he said, look, here's what you do, turn the
other cheek. But that's not that's not a pansy move.
That's not a move of a weakly. That's a move
of a strong man who understands I will not take
I will not use the tactics of the left or
(06:58):
the or the wrong, but I will stand my ground.
I will give you my other cheek. Give it, give it,
give it your best shot. That's what Charlie did every
single day. Give me your best shot, prove me wrong.
And he says, look, when I watched him this terrible,
horrible tragedy happen, I saw dichotomy. I saw Charlie Kirk
facing the fire, knowing full well his life could be
(07:19):
at risk every single day, right right, I know he's
got that, and it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Was okay with it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It was okay with it. He was demonstrating courage under fire.
And when that bullet shot rang out, the crowd ran
in fear. And you know, look they got they gotta
run for cover, you know, you know, but Nevertheless, the
metaphor is still there. The metaphor is We've got to
stand strong. We must not run, we must not cow,
(07:44):
or we must not shrink back. This is a moment
where we have to step up. The revolution of Marxism
has overwhelmed this country and we need a counter revolution
of the heart, because the Lord got Almighty is saying, look,
I'm my My eyes are searching to and fro throughout
the entire earth. It's strong support one whose heart is
completely given to God. And that's what Charlie's was. Well.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I thought his wife's message to the three year old
daughter that came in and said where's Daddy was just
so spot on. I want you to listen to this,
and then I have a quick question for you. I said, baby,
Daddy loves you so much, don't you worry. He's on
a work trip with Jesus so he can afford your
blueberry budget. Where's Daddy? Where's Daddy? How do you explain
(08:28):
that to a three year old? And she eloquently said,
Daddy is on a business trip with Jesus and everything's okay.
And I would imagine until that young girl is old
enough to comprehend and understand the fact that her father
was murdered. That is what she will believe, and that's
what he is. And I believe he's alive and well.
And on that trip with Jesus, I think Charlie Kirk
(08:50):
was glorifying God in his message and I think he's
been glorified in this assassination. And I think God will
be glorified because of all of this, you know, the past,
the president of the Assassin nation, in the future of
you know, what he was bringing to these campuses. God
will be glorified a tenfold, one hundredfold, millionfold in all
of this. And your thoughts on where this is going forward.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, I think number one, when we got we got
to realize this is not an isolated event. This was
a building for the last several years, since twenty sixteen.
This is one more events in kind of the long
line of Antifa, domestic terror, Marxist you know, efforts to
undermine the rule of law in America and the nation
state system globally, and and so we've got to be
(09:34):
aware of that. But also I think, you know, the
Jesus helps us understand what to do with tragedy. He
was asked and by the way. I do believe we
need to talk about Charlie and the present tense as well,
because he is still alive. That is the primary tenant.
The resurrection is coming. But Jesus, did you know when
he was asked about the tragic news of the day,
someone once asked him, I think it was in Luke thirteen,
(09:55):
what do you what do you make of this? You know?
This this injustice that o cur when several Jews were
killed and their blood was horrifically mingled with the sacrifice.
And Jesus mentioned also the power of Silom tragically falling
and killing eighteen people. What do you think about that? Jesus,
what do we do with that tragedy and that injustice?
And his first response was repent and repentance means take
(10:21):
a look at your life, take stock of who you
are and where you are based on the revelation of
God in Christ. Understand what it is you're doing and
can you do better? Can you align yourself more consistently
with who God is to make a bigger difference. Are
you doing the right thing with your children as a parent,
Are you doing the right thing with your church? Are
you standing strong in the workplace? In school. Take this
(10:44):
opportunity to take stock and repent and get in line
and make a difference one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I really appreciate your insight this morning, Reverend Jim Harden.
Thank you so much. We will have you back. God
bless you, and you're right. Let's keep this going. I mean,
God be glorified and all all of this. Thank you, sir,
Andy's now talk a little bit more about what's happening
here is Charlie Kirk's message was all about his faith,
and his whole message to young people on these campuses
was open discussion and debate on things in their lives
and what's happening in our country. And he was a
big Trump supporter, obviously, but it came from his position
of faith, as he was a huge believer in Jesus
(00:21):
Christ and that we all ought to live our lives
with that foundation. To start things off, Johnny's now Reverend
Jim Harten to talk a little bit more about this
with Compass Care. Jim, it's good to have you back on.
Thanks for being with me this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thanks, it's always approached to be with you. Thanks for
having me.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You know, when I first got the message from John,
our program director, I was on a flight to Washington
to go watch my son's team West Virginia beat Pitt
and it was a great weekend. But I was on
the plane sitting on the tarmac and John sent me
the text message. It was on Wednesday, and he said,
Charlie Kirk has just been shot. And I'm like, oh
my god, no, And all I knew was he was
(00:58):
shot and he was rushed to the hospital and the
plane took off. I was not aware that he did
not make it until we landed on the other end
of the trip. And it's just just it was a
huge punch in the guy. This one struck me different
than a lot of things when you hear about people
getting shot. I thought, oh my god, you know, this
guy was on a mission and they killed him because
(01:20):
of his faith. That's the first thing that came to
my mind. And this is not a political battle, this
is a spiritual warfare. I believe that we're in with
this whole situation, and it's getting worse, it seems in
our society today.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I agree. You know when I first heard it that
I got a text message too, saying that Charlie has
been shot. And you know, I instantly the talking points
out of the Democrat left, from Kamala Harris to Gavin
Newsom to Schumer was the same, exact, eerie and soulless phrase,
(02:01):
political violence has no place in America. And as soon
as I heard that, I thought, exactly what you thought
when you were on the plane. This was not political violence.
This was religious persecution, plain and simple. In a recent
interview with Charlie Kirk, the interviewer asked him if you
know how he wanted to be remembered interestingly enough, and
he said, he said, I want to remember for my courage,
(02:21):
for my faith, for courage for my faith. And I
say this a lot, you know, Yeah, Charlie Kirk talked
about things that are in the political kind of arena
in the public square, because that's a springboard into talking
about things that matter, the truth, the purpose of mankind,
and the role of government in human affairs. He was
(02:42):
first and foremost a Christian. His faith in Christ was
not at all private, and it not only motivated him
but also informed the moral and political positions that he
espoused on college campuses in such a winsome and almost
oftentimes humorous way.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Here's that clip you were talking about, how would you
want to be remembered. I want to be I want
to be remembered for courage from my faith. That would
be the most important, most important thing to my faith
in You know, you're so right, Jim. When he brought
up the conversations with these kids on these campuses, you
know a lot of it had to do with, you know,
transgender a lot of it had to do with belief
(03:22):
and how people live their lives as young people. You know,
your thoughts on a number of topics, but it wasn't
necessarily all the time. In fact, most of the time
it didn't start with why do you believe what you believe?
When it comes to Jesus. It was about social flow
of the day and you know, social media issues that
these young people were discussing all the time and asking
(03:45):
to please tell us why you believe this when so
many people, including me, believe the other direction on X
y Z topic. And You're right, it always came back
to opinions are great, opinions are fine to have, but
at the bottom line, the end of the day, it
comes back to my faith. And I'm going to tell
you why I believe what I believe. And it's not
because I just am jumping on a bandwagon today that'll
(04:07):
be different tomorrow. I'm on this position because of where
the center of my life is, and that's in a
relationship with Jesus Christ. And I got to tell you, you
know it more than you know a lot of people.
As Reverend, you mentioned Jesus's name in a room full
of people, and you just watch people's reaction. It's you know,
people get weirded out just for the discussion of Jesus.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Right. Well, in America, for the last fifty years, we've
been intentionally de christianizing. We've been we've been purveying the
lie through public education and you know, media, et cetera.
That you know, to be objective is to be non Christian.
To be you know, to be secular is to be thoughtful.
(04:51):
And that's just not the case. To be To unknoor
ourselves from God, to extract God from the equation of
what it means to be human and and and the
role of government and human affairs is to set us
adrift on a sea of chaos. Because without understanding our purpose,
we cannot know what is right and wrong. You cannot
(05:11):
universalize a moral construct that all people can say, oh yeah,
that makes sense. But if if we're a Christian and
we are aligned with our maker, then we know our purposes.
You know what when when when Charlie was shot, my
wife called me and she said, my son, one of
my sons I have ten kids, was asking her what
is what is sin? Interestingly, and she said, Jim, how
(05:32):
would you answer that? And I said, sin is thinking
and behaving in ways that are inconsistent with the character
and nature of God in whose image we are made.
We are designed to reflect the light of the and
of the glory of God Almighty, because we're the crown
of creation, and because of that we understand that all
(05:53):
humans are infinitely valuable. We are we are you know,
our creator, I mean Thomas Jefferson, the dependent Orsi of Independence,
said it best. We are endowed by our creator capital c,
not our government, as Kim Kane thinks. We are endowed
by our creator with certain unalienable rights. In the first
of those is the right to life. And Charlie Kirk
(06:15):
was robbed of his right to life. And by the
way I think America was robbed, I think it was
a cheap shot. I think the reason why people are
so you know, you know, Christians and non Christians alike,
so beside themselves with this assassination is because we've been
We've been backhanded across the right sheep Jesus. Jesus described
(06:36):
this situation perfectly in Matthew Fire. When somebody stripes you
on your right cheek, and by the way, most people
are right handed. So if you get struck. You're gonna
get struck by somebody's right hand. If you're getting struck
on your right cheek, that means you're getting back handed.
And he said, look, here's what you do, turn the
other cheek. But that's not that's not a pansy move.
That's not a move of a weakly. That's a move
of a strong man who understands I will not take
I will not use the tactics of the left or
(06:58):
the or the wrong, but I will stand my ground.
I will give you my other cheek. Give it, give it,
give it your best shot. That's what Charlie did every
single day. Give me your best shot, prove me wrong.
And he says, look, when I watched him this terrible,
horrible tragedy happen, I saw dichotomy. I saw Charlie Kirk
facing the fire, knowing full well his life could be
(07:19):
at risk every single day, right right, I know he's
got that, and it.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Was okay with it.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It was okay with it. He was demonstrating courage under fire.
And when that bullet shot rang out, the crowd ran
in fear. And you know, look they got they gotta
run for cover, you know, you know, but Nevertheless, the
metaphor is still there. The metaphor is We've got to
stand strong. We must not run, we must not cow,
(07:44):
or we must not shrink back. This is a moment
where we have to step up. The revolution of Marxism
has overwhelmed this country and we need a counter revolution
of the heart, because the Lord got Almighty is saying, look,
I'm my My eyes are searching to and fro throughout
the entire earth. It's strong support one whose heart is
completely given to God. And that's what Charlie's was. Well.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I thought his wife's message to the three year old
daughter that came in and said where's Daddy was just
so spot on. I want you to listen to this,
and then I have a quick question for you. I said, baby,
Daddy loves you so much, don't you worry. He's on
a work trip with Jesus so he can afford your
blueberry budget. Where's Daddy? Where's Daddy? How do you explain
(08:28):
that to a three year old? And she eloquently said,
Daddy is on a business trip with Jesus and everything's okay.
And I would imagine until that young girl is old
enough to comprehend and understand the fact that her father
was murdered. That is what she will believe, and that's
what he is. And I believe he's alive and well.
And on that trip with Jesus, I think Charlie Kirk
(08:50):
was glorifying God in his message and I think he's
been glorified in this assassination. And I think God will
be glorified because of all of this, you know, the past,
the president of the Assassin nation, in the future of
you know, what he was bringing to these campuses. God
will be glorified a tenfold, one hundredfold, millionfold in all
of this. And your thoughts on where this is going forward.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, I think number one, when we got we got
to realize this is not an isolated event. This was
a building for the last several years, since twenty sixteen.
This is one more events in kind of the long
line of Antifa, domestic terror, Marxist you know, efforts to
undermine the rule of law in America and the nation
state system globally, and and so we've got to be
(09:34):
aware of that. But also I think, you know, the
Jesus helps us understand what to do with tragedy. He
was asked and by the way. I do believe we
need to talk about Charlie and the present tense as well,
because he is still alive. That is the primary tenant.
The resurrection is coming. But Jesus, did you know when
he was asked about the tragic news of the day,
someone once asked him, I think it was in Luke thirteen,
(09:55):
what do you what do you make of this? You know?
This this injustice that o cur when several Jews were
killed and their blood was horrifically mingled with the sacrifice.
And Jesus mentioned also the power of Silom tragically falling
and killing eighteen people. What do you think about that? Jesus,
what do we do with that tragedy and that injustice?
And his first response was repent and repentance means take
(10:21):
a look at your life, take stock of who you
are and where you are based on the revelation of
God in Christ. Understand what it is you're doing and
can you do better? Can you align yourself more consistently
with who God is to make a bigger difference. Are
you doing the right thing with your children as a parent,
Are you doing the right thing with your church? Are
you standing strong in the workplace? In school. Take this
(10:44):
opportunity to take stock and repent and get in line
and make a difference one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I really appreciate your insight this morning, Reverend Jim Harden.
Thank you so much. We will have you back. God
bless you, and you're right. Let's keep this going. I mean,
God be glorified and all all of this. Thank you, sir,
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