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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Remember the question Kelly Osborne asked, we're talking about I
guess this was on the view some time ago, and
she's basically saying, well, my gosh, we can't get rid
of all these illegal immigrants. Who's going to clean the toilets?
You kick every do you kick every Latino out of
this country?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Then who is going to be cleaning your toilet?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Donald Trump?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, that's in a.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Sense that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But I'm saying, there's more.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
There's more jobs to be in la.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
They always for it, but the Donalds are not only
I don't mean it like that.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Come on, wow. So apparently now they're screaming the same
thing when it comes to Donald Trump's terrible. He's getting
rid of everybody. If he does this, My gosh, what
are we going to do for doctors and nurses? Joining
us down to talk a little bit more at this
shohamp Mody is with US an immigration expert, former law
professor at the University of Houston Law Center, and an
(00:51):
immigration attorney with over fourteen years of experience. Well welcome in, Susham.
Thanks for having me so your thoughts on where we
are with the immigration policies and Donald Trump tightening up
the border and asking people to please do it legally
like we're supposed to do in our immigration laws on
the books. Say you're an immigration lawyer, you're familiar with
the laws on the book, the federal laws. So things
(01:12):
are changing after the open border policies of Joe Biden
now and people are being you know, detained if they're
criminals and departed. So when it comes to health workers,
what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I mean, first, in terms of the immigration policies for
healthcare workers, if we just take a step back, the
system isn't very efficient. So you know, the Immigration Nationality Act,
it's just been revised multiple times by Congress, and Congress
really hasn't done a good job of looking at it
all as one piece and how it fits together. So
(01:50):
you know, as we know, the government can be quite
inefficient at times. So the problem that we have is
there's a huge shortfall of healthcare workers, doctors and nurses especially.
I think the Baker Institute really you know, nonpartisan Rice
University document shows that we're probably going to have a
(02:13):
shortfall of around one hundred thousand just nurses and doctors
in less than ten years, which is pretty huge. In
that shortfall. It makes sense, right, I mean, we've got
a lot of baby boomers, including my parents, you know,
that are growing older, so that's going to have an
effect on our healthcare system and how we can try
to get workers that are qualified.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
So what's the answer.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I think it's a twofold answer. I mean, I think
one the short term is we definitely need to change
our immigration policies and make it more streamlined. I mean,
you saw Elon Musk earlier this year talk about H
one B VISUS and how it needs to be refined
and H one B visas for advanced skill workers, and
it's really app you know, not just for doctors and nurses,
(03:03):
but like all advanced coworkers, engineers, et cetera that we
don't have the qualified workers for. And so I think
the short term is we need to expand H one
B visas and other work visas. The mid to long term,
I think we need to get those individuals qualified and
then teach in our schools. You know, I used to
(03:24):
be a lot of US as well, and we want
we want to be able to have the programs in
place here where we have enough capacity to teach US
citizens and US workers too to be able to fulfill
that gap in the mid to long term. But that
won't be a quick solution. I mean that's going to
take a lot more time, investment and clinical faculty training.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, we can't have the you know, the attitude that
Kelly Osbourne hand and we can't do this. We just
got to let everybody that's illegal stay in this country here.
Do you think there'll be some compromise when it comes
to professionals like doctors and nurses as some of those
folks have been here for years and are not legal citizens,
that they'll be able to get on a fast path
(04:09):
if you will and start the paperwork. Now you're not
a criminal, you've been productive in society. Where do you
see Donald Trump's you know, long game on people that
have been productive here that if they're willing to get
on the program, they'll be allowed to.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, it would make sense to do it that way,
right instead of instead of trying to remove someone and
then rehire individuals that aren't even you know, hadn't been
qualified or working for the same hospital, et cetera. So
it would makes sense. Now do I think it'll actually happen?
Probably not. I mean it you know, Congress, like I said,
is really inefficient, and even President Trump, he doesn't have
(04:49):
the power to do this. It's really got to be
Congress that's going to change the immigration laws. President Trump,
their administration has certain powers in immigration that are more limited.
Did so like some like temporary protected status or some
other like corole to do something like a humanitary way
to come here there's a shortage. But really, when we're
(05:10):
talking about like visas like H one B visas and
TN visas, it's surely got to be Congress that stepson.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Do you see any indication that that is going to
be on their agenda after they get the budget and
bills and all this figure out.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I hadn't. I mean, you know, it's quite speculative. I haven't.
I mean, even if we just take another step back
and talk about the Dreamers, both sides, even republic you know,
Republicans and even Democrats both have said, oh yeah, let's
help the kids that have been here that have no
criminal history. But that's never happened, you know, and that's
been for about fifteen years. The Dream Act was never passed.
(05:45):
So you know, I don't know, maybe I'm losing some
faith here, but hopefully Congress, you know, gets it together
and and really does a comprehensive immigration reform is what
we need instead of this piecemeal legislation like I was
talking about earlier. It's really not going to solve the
bigger issues.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, I mean the self deportation that Christy Noom speaks of.
You know, if you do that, then we'll work with
you to get back here. You know, Ultimately, I don't believe.
I don't think it's logistically possible, first of all, to
take everybody that's in this country illegal and get them
out of this country. The task ats too daunting for sure,
that I said it for years. The toothpasts is out
(06:25):
of the tube with the Biden policies, and to get
it all put back in, I don't believe it's going
to happen. So what do you do. You got to
manage what you you know can't right. So I hope Congress,
as you mentioned, gets on this and takes care of
business and makes it possible for those that are illegal
that are good citizens, providing good you know, jobs, in
(06:50):
maintaining giving back to the communities, will be allowed to
get on board with becoming us citizens. Now I'm all
about you know, enforcing that if you don't get on board,
then get but you know, get rid of the gangs
and the illegals and the criminals first and then we'll
wrestle with the other monster in the in the room
for sure. Well, it's great talking the issues, Sar. Thank
(07:11):
you so much for being with me. I appreciate you
Remember the question Kelly Osborne asked, we're talking about I
guess this was on the view some time ago, and
she's basically saying, well, my gosh, we can't get rid
of all these illegal immigrants. Who's going to clean the toilets?
You kick every do you kick every Latino out of
this country?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Then who is going to be cleaning your toilet?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Donald Trump?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, that's in a.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Sense that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But I'm saying, there's more.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
There's more jobs to be in la.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
They always for it, but the Donalds are not only
I don't mean it like that.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Come on, wow. So apparently now they're screaming the same
thing when it comes to Donald Trump's terrible. He's getting
rid of everybody. If he does this, My gosh, what
are we going to do for doctors and nurses? Joining
us down to talk a little bit more at this
shohamp Mody is with US an immigration expert, former law
professor at the University of Houston Law Center, and an
(00:51):
immigration attorney with over fourteen years of experience. Well welcome in, Susham.
Thanks for having me so your thoughts on where we
are with the immigration policies and Donald Trump tightening up
the border and asking people to please do it legally
like we're supposed to do in our immigration laws on
the books. Say you're an immigration lawyer, you're familiar with
the laws on the book, the federal laws. So things
(01:12):
are changing after the open border policies of Joe Biden
now and people are being you know, detained if they're
criminals and departed. So when it comes to health workers,
what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I mean, first, in terms of the immigration policies for
healthcare workers, if we just take a step back, the
system isn't very efficient. So you know, the Immigration Nationality Act,
it's just been revised multiple times by Congress, and Congress
really hasn't done a good job of looking at it
all as one piece and how it fits together. So
(01:50):
you know, as we know, the government can be quite
inefficient at times. So the problem that we have is
there's a huge shortfall of healthcare workers, doctors and nurses especially.
I think the Baker Institute really you know, nonpartisan Rice
University document shows that we're probably going to have a
(02:13):
shortfall of around one hundred thousand just nurses and doctors
in less than ten years, which is pretty huge. In
that shortfall. It makes sense, right, I mean, we've got
a lot of baby boomers, including my parents, you know,
that are growing older, so that's going to have an
effect on our healthcare system and how we can try
to get workers that are qualified.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
So what's the answer.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I think it's a twofold answer. I mean, I think
one the short term is we definitely need to change
our immigration policies and make it more streamlined. I mean,
you saw Elon Musk earlier this year talk about H
one B VISUS and how it needs to be refined
and H one B visas for advanced skill workers, and
it's really app you know, not just for doctors and nurses,
(03:03):
but like all advanced coworkers, engineers, et cetera that we
don't have the qualified workers for. And so I think
the short term is we need to expand H one
B visas and other work visas. The mid to long term,
I think we need to get those individuals qualified and
then teach in our schools. You know, I used to
(03:24):
be a lot of US as well, and we want
we want to be able to have the programs in
place here where we have enough capacity to teach US
citizens and US workers too to be able to fulfill
that gap in the mid to long term. But that
won't be a quick solution. I mean that's going to
take a lot more time, investment and clinical faculty training.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Well, we can't have the you know, the attitude that
Kelly Osbourne hand and we can't do this. We just
got to let everybody that's illegal stay in this country here.
Do you think there'll be some compromise when it comes
to professionals like doctors and nurses as some of those
folks have been here for years and are not legal citizens,
that they'll be able to get on a fast path
(04:09):
if you will and start the paperwork. Now you're not
a criminal, you've been productive in society. Where do you
see Donald Trump's you know, long game on people that
have been productive here that if they're willing to get
on the program, they'll be allowed to.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, it would make sense to do it that way,
right instead of instead of trying to remove someone and
then rehire individuals that aren't even you know, hadn't been
qualified or working for the same hospital, et cetera. So
it would makes sense. Now do I think it'll actually happen?
Probably not. I mean it you know, Congress, like I said,
is really inefficient, and even President Trump, he doesn't have
(04:49):
the power to do this. It's really got to be
Congress that's going to change the immigration laws. President Trump,
their administration has certain powers in immigration that are more limited.
Did so like some like temporary protected status or some
other like corole to do something like a humanitary way
to come here there's a shortage. But really, when we're
(05:10):
talking about like visas like H one B visas and
TN visas, it's surely got to be Congress that stepson.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Do you see any indication that that is going to
be on their agenda after they get the budget and
bills and all this figure out.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I hadn't. I mean, you know, it's quite speculative. I haven't.
I mean, even if we just take another step back
and talk about the Dreamers, both sides, even republic you know,
Republicans and even Democrats both have said, oh yeah, let's
help the kids that have been here that have no
criminal history. But that's never happened, you know, and that's
been for about fifteen years. The Dream Act was never passed.
(05:45):
So you know, I don't know, maybe I'm losing some
faith here, but hopefully Congress, you know, gets it together
and and really does a comprehensive immigration reform is what
we need instead of this piecemeal legislation like I was
talking about earlier. It's really not going to solve the
bigger issues.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, I mean the self deportation that Christy Noom speaks of.
You know, if you do that, then we'll work with
you to get back here. You know, Ultimately, I don't believe.
I don't think it's logistically possible, first of all, to
take everybody that's in this country illegal and get them
out of this country. The task ats too daunting for sure,
that I said it for years. The toothpasts is out
(06:25):
of the tube with the Biden policies, and to get
it all put back in, I don't believe it's going
to happen. So what do you do. You got to
manage what you you know can't right. So I hope Congress,
as you mentioned, gets on this and takes care of
business and makes it possible for those that are illegal
that are good citizens, providing good you know, jobs, in
(06:50):
maintaining giving back to the communities, will be allowed to
get on board with becoming us citizens. Now I'm all
about you know, enforcing that if you don't get on board,
then get but you know, get rid of the gangs
and the illegals and the criminals first and then we'll
wrestle with the other monster in the in the room
for sure. Well, it's great talking the issues, Sar. Thank
(07:11):
you so much for being with me. I appreciate you
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