September 24, 2024 • 39 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney review the first test against Sri Lanka. Then, joined by Peter Holland, they offer some selection options for the second test in Galle, playing on the same surface as the first.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Take another pat Now it's a trick. It is out.
The test is over.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Couldn't a smoke?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh wow, one of us a beauty.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It is out and hearing.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Guys, this delivery has in the US.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It be Gold.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello, we're on the front foot again. Sadly, the Black
Taps fighting qualities not enough to save the first Test
in goal.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Oh we've got.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Another one there, will I Rawk makes an emphatic statement
on a spinner's pitch. If Lord's produced a pitch like Gore,
would the cricket world be up in arms about it?
Black Taps are hurt via lack of prep time and
a ninth straight loss for our whitebirds. Goodness, these rain
(01:16):
delays and cricket test matches are interesting. Peter Holland is
here with us once more, joining you and I Jeremy Coney,
and it was interesting to see Jeremy Coney batting again
in one of those Beige Brigade outfits. He was run
out by writing what we couldn't see?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, I need to need some more speed, don't I really.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I'm sure right. He didn't call.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He just ran to it, just ran.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I got.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
All I could see was his blur passing beside me,
and thought, well, I'd better running because he's got a
few runs and I hadn't got any. So Frankis wanted
to blame you, he did, I'm sure he did. Yeah,
so did writing about that?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You wouldn't want to You wouldn't want to run him out,
would you?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Goodness, gracious fancy seeing those games? Unbelievable, isn't it really?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Well? Well, actually I think I saw the same one here,
because I saw you trailing the sort of Denis Lily
lock with the sort of open button kind of you
know chest. And then there was also one John Morrison
bowling well you know, well as it's called mystery, isn't
it just roll down? There was something?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah? Who was the Who was the English batchman? I
think it was Dennis Compton, wasn't it?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Who was?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Once said that he often called somebody for a run
and wished them good luck at the same time.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yes, yes, it was him.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I think, yeah, goodness me, Well, the New Zealanders didn't
get too much good luck out of losing the toss
in gaul Before we had a look at the Test match.
Let's just hear from Tim Saudi and his action to
some of the events of the Test match.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yeah, I think it was a pretty good Test match,
obviously falling short, but I think the position we've we've
got ourselves in with the bat in the first innings
and then I guess the way that the last four
or five buguests felt for for not many, he was
probably an opportunity there to gain a bit more of
a lead which would have made obviously the second and
it's easier.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
A test to remember. For willow' rourke, Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
He's been obviously a very short Test career so far,
but he's he's certainly announced himself and we saw in
New Zealand how how dangerous he can be with ye
he's got the skills to have a very successful career
at this level. And him to come here and it's
firstly outing in the subcontinent and walk away with the
very impressive abookitts for the matches is nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Short of Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Special and he's got a Yeah, he's got the tools
obviously we know in New Zealand and those conditions, but
to see him over here and doing well as very promising.
So he's got a great head on his shoulders. He's
he's a he's a big guy, and he's he's very skillful.
So it's a lot to like about what overall.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I must a chance to gain an advantage in the
first innings.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yeah, I just mentioned then the first innings of the
bat losing the last five or guess for for not many,
there's probably an opportunity there to to press sign and
get more of a lead, but that wasn't to be.
We knew that that that signal ball was going to
be obviously tough with the nature of the wicket and
the quality of the schlunkin spin bolts. So yeah, I
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think probably you look at at those those moments that
we're able to get through that and and I guess
press signing and get more of a lead than than
things could have been different. But but I think it
was still a good Test matches test match, and there's
plenty of plenty of good things that we can walk
away from looking into into the next couple of days
when you go again.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Rug and Ravenda also played a major role with the bat.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah, it kept us in the hunt that with that chase,
and it's a great knock in those conditions. Not obviously
not easy to bat the ball spinning and and doing
all sorts. And for for a young guy to to
who has a lot of experience, experience in this part
of the world, to to go out and get niney
odd was, like I said, to keep us in the match.
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And it's a great, great science for him as well.
So yeah, he's he's another one that's that's that's a
special talent and had a little taste of international cricket
and done done exceptionally well. So again a great young
kid with a with a good head on his shoulders.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And you believe the target was always gettable.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah, we knew it was going to be tough and
it was going to take take something special with the
work at taking a lot of turn in these last
last couple of days. So yeah, we knew it was
going to be a tough ass, but it was never
never out of reach. It just a couple of guys
to get in and build a big partnership. Then then
anything can happen and we saw sixty odd runs. It's yeah,
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it wasn't wasn't too far away. Yeah it's disappointing, but
yeah it wasn't. Sort of liked a few less to
chase obviously.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yep. That's a Sauvian and paying tribute to I think
one of the successes of that Test match Will O'Rourke.
He's he's made an impressive start to a Test career. Jerry,
hasn't he with some pretty impressive pace bowling.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Certainly has Wadd's good physique, good height, got his rhythm going.
Didn't he at gaul and bowled with decent pace? He's
already picked up wickets against South Africa? Hasn't he at home?
But this was a harder, harder sort of question for him.
Really over there the humidity, you know, they are foreign
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conditions and they are energy sapping kind of days. And
I thought he found a link that really troubled the
Sri Lankans, didn't you guys think that? I mean, he
got movement back into the right handers, not just in
the air but also off the pitch, quite extravagant at times,
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and had them jumping back in the crease. And made
them uncomfortable, let's be fair about it, in their top order,
didn't you think so?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Very much?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I think he's been impressive since his debut at the
base and earlier this year against against Australia. As you say,
he bottles with decent pace, but more than anything, he
gets bounced and he makes it uncomfortable for batsman and
on that sort of wicket that's pretty impressive. And the
ability to come back and end up with five in
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their first innings that says a lot. Particularly, most of
these guys are pretty much underdone. Weren't they coming in?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, that's been the problem. I think that they were underdone.
They didn't get the game they wanted against Afghanistan and
it took almost the whole Test for them to really
gets the rhythm of the game. I think O'Rourke's got
an element of the Chris Martin about him in terms
of the way he delivers the ball and he is
getting the ball to well is he is he seeing
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it or is he in swinging it?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Well, it kind of keeps going a bit wadds. It
goes with the swing, you know, it's almost it's not
the ball isn't going to straighten if it's swinging back
into you. It doesn't then straighten up. It keeps going,
doesn't it. It's as if it seems and so yeah, no,
he was impressive and he's and he bold. I thought,
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you know, thirty six overs that was quite a heavy
workload and New Zealand had to turn to him. I
don't know what you but they had to turn to
him because he was the only one really threatening and
looking like getting a wicket at any stage.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, we're going to have to look after him, an't we.
I mean we don't want to be using him. Yes,
he is a strike baller, but I think I think
he's got to be looked down after as well, doesn't he?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
No question, Brian. I mean I recall back at the
basin there he didn't finish that test, I mean lastly
because he was called back without particular warning and ended
up straining his back. So there's a case example. You know,
you've got to be careful, particularly with that sort of
body shape. You can't over bowl them because he needs
needs two or three more years to grow into himself,
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because he's still a very young man. So I agree
with you. I was actually pretty pessimistic coming into this.
So in terms of the Test match, no, prep didn't
get that game against Afghanistan, so to actually have some
sort of bright spots was encouraging in some respects. However,
there are concerns about the wider team squad I'd like
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to sort of raise if I can, and I have
some question marks about some selections as well.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah. Interesting, Well one of those won't be around Rutch
and Ravender, will it? Because I mean, he showed the
quality that we expect from him, but the next Test
match is going to have to see some changes, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Can I just touch it on Russian Ravender? You know,
I watched him quite closely and I really enjoyed that
sicking innings and how he played played late, He was decisive,
his footwork was good. When they bowled a loose one,
he put it away. It was a It was a
it was a top knock in challenging conditions and frankly
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there was no one else, although I did think until
he got out rather stupidly, Blundle wasn't too bad either.
But why do you why do you, Jerry? Can you
explain this to me? Expose your stumps by reverse sweeping
out of the rough.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, you don't really not when it's not when it's
outside leg, when it's pitching. Makes the reverse sweep very hard,
doesn't it. When you're reaching, you know, past your leg
to try and get it round and across to the
off side. Even a conventional sweep, if he wanted to
do so, is a better option. Sweeping anytime, I would
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have thought, out of the rough is quite a precarious
thing to do because you do get as you know,
variable bounce, don't you sometimes, And so instead of getting
it in the middle of the bat, it gets to
the top edge and you provide an opportunity, or it
goes beyond that and you get the gloves into play.
And I mean, while while Blundele played the sweep and
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the reverse sweep pretty well, I thought in that match
he did get out to it both innings, didn't he
He got a glove in the first innings and then
he's got bold middle stump around his leg, around his
legs in the second. But it was proving, you know,
for him, maybe he felt and not many players did
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play down the ground much, did they. It wasn't big
drives at all. It wasn't one of those surfaces, and
I don't think it's going to be in the next
match either, so you need to play square. I think
a lot better. I thought Ravendra played well. I mean
he came in and was uncertain in the second innings,
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played off the back foot to defend, as a lot
of batsmen do if you can get through those first
twenty balls, and he was nearly out, wasn't He played
an edge bottom edge onto the keeper's foot and it
just fell short of first slip. But you know, once
he got the hang of it and then he started
coming forward as well, in a good stride in I
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thought he played very nicely and judged the length well.
He scored mainly off the back foot, didn't He punches cuts,
you know, sweeps, a pool shot, you know, those were
the areas that were working well for him.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
But he was also I noticed he was waiting for
that opportunity rather than perhaps forcing the pace, let him
drop short and then he would get onto them. Was
that was what I found impressive about, Whereas some of
other players get after him, and it wasn't as as
time it was was was was an issue, It wasn't
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at all. Yeah, I just wondered why, for instance, coming
back to Blundle, who I have a great I think
he's a very fine cricketer and excellent keeper. But you know,
why wouldn't he outside leg where they're bowling into that
rough just kick it away a bit and make them
come come over the wicket, You make them change, make
them ales that that sort of thing, because all of
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a sudden we're playing into their hands. And this guy
was a jas Are in the left armor with six
and five and five and four wickets, pretty handy looking bowler.
So I think that we went after it whereas we
we we let them sort of, we gave them the
opportunities as opposed to, you know, making them come at up,
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come at us, so to speak. Where that's what that's
what Ravendra did very very well, and that's sticking innings.
I thought he was really impressive.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Soilliamson was interesting, wasn't he. Williamson came out and I
thought he batted I mean, two quite odd dismissals for him, really,
but he obviously was going to be proactive. You could
see he was looking to play, you know, let's call
it positively. And I thought in the first innings he
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played very well. He played some very nice shots and
appropriate shots too, but he was quite prepared to go
at the bowlers at the spinners. The second innings, he thought.
He just went a bit early, I thought, and he
gave the left armor Jayasuria, just a chance to drag
it down, just a little look. And he couldn't at
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once at pictures and you're not there. It's it's impossible.
You can't do anything else. So I thought that was
a slightly odd dismissal because he didn't need to. I
was with you on that move. He was going well anyway.
It hit him for six over extra cover. It hit
him through the covers going down. But you can't go
early down there, you can't do that. And that was
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and that was a surprise and such an important innings too.
I thought Latham was organized and sweeping in the way
that he played Revendro. We've spoken about Mitchell in the
first innings, looked solid in the second. And as he
got done by one that came back very quickly from
the off spinner and beat his defensive shot, that's okay,
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that can happen into the pads and rebounded onto the stumps.
So Philip's had an innings and the first inning. So overall,
and you add in Blundle, I thought the batsmen generally
were looking in reasonable nick for the amount of play
that they could, you know, fit in. If I could
make two comments just and see what you guys think,
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I did think we had two chances to win that game.
And I think because of the way that pictures are
over there, if you're bat in your first innings, whether
that's first or second, those are critical innings. It's not
that the third and the fourth innings in a match
over in Gaul are much tougher conditions to batting, and
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you've got to make the most of that opportunity in
your first innings. That's the first point. And for me watching,
I felt we missed out on both opportunities in those
first innings. On the first day, we had Sri Lanka
who batted four for one hundred, Nasanka Karuna Ratna Chandamal out,
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Matthew's off the field with a finger injury. The Silver
came in and was just bold and at that point
Commindu batting really nicely for them left hander. We needed
to place great pressure on Matthew's coming back in with
the finger problem, and I thought we really needed to
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keep Comindu up at the bowler's end, so we needed
tight fields. Once Matthews was on strike and we were
a little bit guilty. I thought our spinners of losing
our length and dragging down in that second session and
Matthews got was allowed to pick up singles and got
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thirty five off of about one hundred and twenty balls,
so he's only scoring it sort of strike rate of
thirty wasn't damaging us, but he was allowing Kmindu to
face a lot more balls. So I thought we needed
to do that a bit better. I thought, as the
ball got softer as the game went, as the innings
went on, we need to stop boundaries. Sri Lanka got
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thirty three boundaries in their first innings of three hundred
and five. New Zealand got twenty five boundaries in three
hundred and forty, so we need to do a bit
better there. I think, be aware of that. And the
next thing is batsman can when they're confronting a softer ball.
There's a less quick turn because the ball isn't so hard,
there's a less bound and you can play off the
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back foot a lot more. As we saw Ofvindra do
so We need our spinners to be aware of that
and the speeds that they bowl in the lengths that
they bowl at that time absolutely critical. Second point sorry
talking so long wads is in the If you look
at the wickets in this match and how they fell.
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Day one seven wickets, two three three, those are the sessions.
Day two seven wickets three two two. Going through each
session three wickets, two wickets, two wickets. Day three, New
Zealand are two fifty five to four. First session. New
Zealand lose six in our first innings. There's the game,
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specially once Sri Lanka don't lose any wickets at all
in the second session of that day. Karuna Ratner and
Chandimail had that big partnership, that was the game. So
those two opportunities I thought there were a chance for
New Zealand to really make a mark and set a
marker down and we missed them both.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah. One of the things that's interesting, of course, is
that Jayasuria has got eighty eight Test wickets and he's
got sixty two of them at the Gaul venue. So
he's made for that venue, isn't he. And we have
to be able to cope with that. With the bat
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and if you're going to be batting forth, it's not
going to be easy.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Oh look, there was no question about that. That that said,
you know this this is some This is an improving
Sri Lankan team. I mean there's some this this guy
come into amend this what a player he's turning up
to be runs in England one hundred of you. Now,
So Jerry, you're right if if you if you can't
put the pressure on and take the opportunity these guys
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wire taken away from you. It's it's they look, they
look not a bad science. I think you want to
win the toss in the next test. Put it that one.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, the toss is important in Asia. We
know that for the reasons we've spoken about. The first
two winnings become important and then the pitch deteriorates and
it's harder. I don't I don't. You said you said
something about if it was a pitch at Lord's early on,
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and I I just it's different from what we're used to.
It's different from what we see. And that's the problem,
isn't it For our batsmen? Inconsistent bounced footmarks turning quite
you know, quite viciously at times. But if you look
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at the scores three hundred and five, three forty, three
hundred and nine and then a two hundred and something,
they're not They're not figures. That's that that's say it's
you know, it's flat, but they are They're not awful innings,
are they. I think that would be the first point.
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I would make. The second one if you go through
the individual batsman first innings five batsmen twenty seven thirty
thirty six, one hundred and fourteen and fifty that Sri
Lanka batting New Zealand, second innings seventy fifty five fifty
seven forty nine not out twenty five thirty nine six batsmen,
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third innings eighty three sixty one fifty forty twenty three
five batsmen for Sri Lanka. They're not brilliant scores. I
understand that. But it says that you can bat on it,
doesn't it. I mean those figures to me say it's
not substandard.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, I actually four in the context of that
might it went to five days albeit yep, not really
day one. We had a rock getting some bounce and
some carry. The first catch was was went carried well
through the blundle. So in that sense, then then you
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look at the scores, Well, yeah, it probably wasn't too
bad a wicket really, you know, it was as a
Test wicket, you'd expect it to start to start to
turn in days three, three, four, and that's what it did.
I'll be concerned though, what's going to happen in the
next Test, whether they recycle this one or they've got
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another deck to use. I hope that they don't recycle it,
but I think this is what we've got another.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Oh I can't. I can't recycle it most well.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But what did they do? I saw the block every
day and there didn't look to be much in preparation
in terms of Yeah, I mean, and I don't. I
don't think that it's the kind of pitch we want
to see another Test match on. That's my view. I
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think it's substandard myself, because it was turning and it
was dry on day one. And you know, what are
they going to do in the next Test match? Are
they going to play the same kind of Test match
on that deck?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Well, well they're going to play hopefully on a different pitch,
but it will be similar. Yes, Gold has been when
I was there and played and Australia were playing the
first Test against and Sri Lanka won that one. It
was rated below average by you know, I mean every
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match refs on duty they you know, rate the pitch.
If it's rated substandard, then the home board you know,
is required to explain why and the venuers and to
be you know, a substandard. I think they've got to
then give some reasons if it's unsatisfactory or unfit, and
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sanctions can be applied. So it was below over. The
second Test against Australia was rated good. Now against Ireland
last year they played two matches in Gaul, both rated good. Interestingly,
I looked at New Zealand versus Sri Lanka in the
seventh of March twenty twenty three at the basin rated average.
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So it's an interesting it's an interesting one. But I
don't think that that was a substandard pitch. I've seen
it worse at Gaul.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Well. I think it's borne out by virtue of the
number of the scores, the number of runs that were
actually made. So I'd agree with you, but I have
a reservation. It's about what's happening in the second Test.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, that'll be interesting to look at.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Ask a question, and we're concerned about a couple of things. Conway,
what's happening there? Because the guy that I just thought
was fabulous, but in the last eighteen months a production
has been modest at best, and seeing well out of
sorts the way you got out the second innings, you know,
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reaching out looking for it, searching for it. It's it's
a concern and a question whether whether whether a guy
like Yan wouldn't be better there.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, well, what what do you think?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well, to my mind, I'm not happy with the pitch myself.
That that's my view. It's it's not the kind of
pitch I want to watch another Test match on. I
don't think it's good enough. But if they're going to
be playing on it, well, Will Young has to come
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into contention because Conway, to my mind, has been short
of a gallop.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Well, he more than anything is underdone. Yeah, yeah, yeah
he is.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And opening is not an easy gig anyway, is it?
But but yeah, I think I personally think that there
are three positions if I was involved with the team
I would like to discuss in terms of selection for
the next match. The first one in terms of the batting, Yeah,
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Conway LBW in the first innings, playing across the ball
slightly and closing the face of the bats so he
misses it in his LBW. That's happened to a number
of our players. In fact, the dangerous ball on a
pitch like that is the one that's straight, that carries
straight on. You know, you're looking to play for a
little bit of turn, and of course it slides on
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and it's into your pad before you can adjust, depending
on the length. The second one, I thought, I just
saw uncertainty, of uncertainty about Devon Unfortunately about his defense.
He got a couple of wide deliveries he could easily
let go and then no forward movement, no step that
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step that we were talking about Ravendra get forward well
or back well, and he was just sort of keeping
his feet and almost as if he was setting up
to bat and the hands go and that's why the
hands are out in front that you were talking about
Moose and he got an inside edge and then onto
the poles. So yeah, it did look uncertain. I'm not
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sure about this batting thing, and very different from Tom
Latham who'd had a you know, had a few As
I say, though, twenty balls. Suddenly things get a little
bit easier. You can bat on a surface like that
if you can get through those initial deliveries and so
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but Conway or Young, gosh, it's an interesting call. It's
an interesting call. I don't you know. I guess you'd say, look,
he's had two innings, he hasn't had much of a bat.
Would you give him another go? Is his output and fit?
And you'll only know that for watching him. I think
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in the mets, to see how he's going, see how
he is in himself. He will be totally determined after
getting that casual contract. He knows he's got to do
well to stay in international cricket.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Oh yeah, I could agree more. But just watching him,
I'm just thinking, this is this is a but this
is someone yeah, looking for something. Whereas Lathan, by contrast,
looked assured, we look decisive in what he was doing.
Same for Mitchell, and as you said, Williamson played I
thought the first thing beautifully that was in the start
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contrast to deal in common and and heaven knows, I'm
a great fan of his and I really want him
see to do well. But I just I see a
person well and truly out of sorts and has been
so for quite a while.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I think Boomera got got into him a little bit,
and I think since then the old broken finger and
he just looks uncertain and all looks no good. It's
a warrant, yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
He's a good player, but he has been a really good,
good output for New Zealand at Open and it's a tough,
as I say, a tough job. But you know, is
that going to hold him there? I don't. I don't know.
You'd have to look and see how Will Young's playing
and how he's batting as well in the nets. I
don't think there's not much else you can judge it on,
is there?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah? Well, I mean the concern for me is that
we don't have batsman and form, and that was quite obvious.
But the other concern is did our spinners deliver what
we want on that kind of pitch. I look at
those sorts of pictures and I don't think that we
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would be prepared properly to play on that kind of
of pitch.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
There's there's a few there where we didn't get very
much output, did we? I mean to go to Satner
didn't have a great test did he at all? In fact,
in fact his production is pretty poor full stop over
he's you know whatever it is test matches that he's got,
but that you'd be expecting more from Satner with matter
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crickety that he's played over over time, I think I'll
be looking somewhere else myself to come into the site.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well, Satainer's stas picture as a major spinner, wasn't he
was in this game He's bold a thirty thirty three,
thirty four overs, he's both four maidens one for one
hundred and fifty Dean. I thought he lost his length's
It's almost what I couldn't quite understand from our spinners
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was it was a pitch that was doing something from
natural variation on the surface anyways, And so I thought
of he could just go back and bowl as he
did were under Hessen, which was to bowl maidens and
just keep the ball there and keep the ball there
and bowl more like a one day style he makes.
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It seems to me in test matches Mitchell Santa tries
to bowl an extravagantly different way than he doesn't in
one day cricket, and I don't think he needs to
in a surface like that in Asia he can keep
it there and keep it there and it will naturally
do something at the other end. Even though he's not
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imparting loads of revs on the ball, it doesn't matter
quite so much. And so I just felt he did,
didn't you know, he didn't use the right style of play,
and we but Age has bowled beautifully in the first
session of the match and then was swapped around to
the other end and lost his length completely, and so
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that was that was that was a shame for him.
And I thought that perhaps Saudi mister trick and just
having a chat and saying, look, how about this end here?
Is that end better for you? I don't know. They
may have had that discussion, isn't.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
He and therefore he should be he should be afforded
that sort of courtesy. I would have would have thought.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Would yeah, well, I I thought Phillips actually in the
first that first day and that second session was our
best spinner while those two weren't bowling quite so well
the left arms. So they bowled. He bowled Dan and
Jay had the silver, didn't he and then kept it
relatively tight and he was flat. It wasn't getted up
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above the batsman's head and bring him out and go
past the bat and those kinds of dismissals. He was
more firing it in and getting the ball to turn.
So I just thought it was a pitch that should
have suited Santna and he would have been rewarded for
more accuracy, I thought, and I think as far as
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the batting is concerned, he got two off two and
two off twenty two. So at number eight, you know,
we're going to talk a little bit about India and Bangladesh.
Perhaps there is Ashwin batting down at eight getting one hundred.
So number eight and nine you need runs in Asia,
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Stantna and Saudi Saudi three off ten and two off nine.
We are not getting the output that we need from
eight to nine at the moment ten and eleven, just defend.
That's all I expect from you. Defend, you know, in
age as two off twenty two and the second and
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that's the sort of innings thereafter batting with the batsman Ravendra,
that's the kind of innings we want to see from
ten and eleven. But that all those eight nineteen eleven
they scored thirteen runs in the first innings from twenty
six balls they are all out in four point two overs,
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So that's not what we need for the remaining games
from that part of the order.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, are we needing to include braceful?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
We need to include bracefall if you want to have
two spinners plus your two part timers, if that's what
you want your balance, and not three seemers and one spinner,
because those are the options. If you want the two spinners,
then Bracewell comes in.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
And if I could be slightly controversial, I want to
see Henry there, who's batting has been far more superior
than them than the captains has been as well. So
with Satna and with with with with Tim Souvey, we've
got nothing out of out of them in the batting
and haven't had some for some time. And so just
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once you get down to down to eight, it's pretty
much they just go through you. And that's we'll see.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yep, more than the batting moose. Saudi's not giving us
the bowling either, He's not, you know, I said, Oh
Rourke Bold thirty six overs. Saudi basically the number three
as well, and seeming you'd expect him to bowl the overs,
wouldn't you? More than o? Rourke younger man, faster man,
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Saudi bold thirty overs, got one wicket and that was
that year. And that was a good catch from Bracewill
at mid wicket, wasn't it sort of just just diving away,
So so he's not really not really performing it and
he's bold less overs. So I didn't kind of quite
I sort of understand it because I wrought was the
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one who was dangerous. But at the same time he
could have done more. He could have done more work
considered the spinners to break it up.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well bolls and maidens. But you're right, just back on Satler.
I mean, if you want an example of what I've
had a bowl in those sort of conditions, you've got
today Ja from India, who bowls those left arm darts
coming in and lets the variation off the wicket happen.
He's a rat example. And also, by the way, but
eighty six as well, and then the first first shot
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there's your model there, and that's what that's what India.
That's what we're going to be confronted in the coming
and coming weeks, aren't we Those guys.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Oh yeah, that's that's a different that's a that's a
that's several grades up, I'm afraid, but as a general question,
I think we should just stick on SOUTHI for a second,
six overs less than o'rock in the match seven wickets less,
took the new ball in the first innings, was bowling
between one hundred and twenty five and one hundred and
twenty eight. Got sort of. I would have thought over
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two overs, two balls over the one thirty bowling four
point four overs per session? Is that enough for your
number two and three? Seema? I just like a sort
of an answer, is it enough for you guys? And
would Henry have given the side more, more pace, more
consistency and maybe more runs? Saw there's a bit of
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catcher in the slips.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Agree with that, But I don't think we're planning because
it can catch a second slip.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
No, I'm just kind of I'm trying to balance the discussion.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
That's all to my mind. Henry's been our best bowl
for some time now, or quicker bowl of it us
for some time now, and I just think by virtue
of his performances just needs a position. You can't drop
a Rourke, So it rather leaves you with something of
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a dilemma.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I think, well, what do you reckon was if you
were coach, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Well? We may not have agreed on the quality of
the pits, but I'm an agreement on the changes you jest,
Henry Forsali embrace will for Satner as you say it
may improve the batting as well most and yet another
loss for the white fans in Australia. I just thought
i'd pop that in ten and a row now. But
great that Georgia Plummer has finally shown some ability at
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the top of the order the first half century for
New Zealand in thirty eight innings fifty three, so we're
well done, but unfortunately they've lost again. Thanks your tom
guys once again look forward to another Test match on
Just off down to the tab to get a bet
on the side that wins the toss will win the
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Test match. You want to be part of it?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well, look, I thought it was a reasonably close first Test, really,
I mean New Zealand had missed opportunities and there are
as you can hear, we got some potential tweaks. We
reckon all strength and the site and what's the pitch?
What's the picture going to be like? So quite a
bit to enjoy over the next few days.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yes, all right, and.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
You and I, You and I and Jerry are going
to have to apply to New Zealand Cricket to become
selectors and pick the team on a daily basis overqualified.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
We'll see what happens, all right.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Next week when we review the Thank you, Thank you,
Jamond and I'll see it at the a B Cheers.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Take another pat Now it's a trick. It is out.
The test is over.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Couldn't a smoke?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh wow, one of us a beauty.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
It is out and hearing.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Guys, this delivery has in the US.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
It be Gold.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Hello, we're on the front foot again. Sadly, the Black
Taps fighting qualities not enough to save the first Test
in goal.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Oh we've got.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Another one there, will I Rawk makes an emphatic statement
on a spinner's pitch. If Lord's produced a pitch like Gore,
would the cricket world be up in arms about it?
Black Taps are hurt via lack of prep time and
a ninth straight loss for our whitebirds. Goodness, these rain
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delays and cricket test matches are interesting. Peter Holland is
here with us once more, joining you and I Jeremy Coney,
and it was interesting to see Jeremy Coney batting again
in one of those Beige Brigade outfits. He was run
out by writing what we couldn't see?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, I need to need some more speed, don't I really.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:43):
I'm sure right. He didn't call.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He just ran to it, just ran.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I got.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
All I could see was his blur passing beside me,
and thought, well, I'd better running because he's got a
few runs and I hadn't got any. So Frankis wanted
to blame you, he did, I'm sure he did. Yeah,
so did writing about that?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
You wouldn't want to You wouldn't want to run him out,
would you?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Goodness, gracious fancy seeing those games? Unbelievable, isn't it really?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Well? Well, actually I think I saw the same one here,
because I saw you trailing the sort of Denis Lily
lock with the sort of open button kind of you
know chest. And then there was also one John Morrison
bowling well you know, well as it's called mystery, isn't
it just roll down? There was something?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah? Who was the Who was the English batchman? I
think it was Dennis Compton, wasn't it?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Who was?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Once said that he often called somebody for a run
and wished them good luck at the same time.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yes, yes, it was him.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I think, yeah, goodness me, Well, the New Zealanders didn't
get too much good luck out of losing the toss
in gaul Before we had a look at the Test match.
Let's just hear from Tim Saudi and his action to
some of the events of the Test match.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
Yeah, I think it was a pretty good Test match,
obviously falling short, but I think the position we've we've
got ourselves in with the bat in the first innings
and then I guess the way that the last four
or five buguests felt for for not many, he was
probably an opportunity there to gain a bit more of
a lead which would have made obviously the second and
it's easier.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
A test to remember. For willow' rourke, Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
He's been obviously a very short Test career so far,
but he's he's certainly announced himself and we saw in
New Zealand how how dangerous he can be with ye
he's got the skills to have a very successful career
at this level. And him to come here and it's
firstly outing in the subcontinent and walk away with the
very impressive abookitts for the matches is nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Short of Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Special and he's got a Yeah, he's got the tools
obviously we know in New Zealand and those conditions, but
to see him over here and doing well as very promising.
So he's got a great head on his shoulders. He's
he's a he's a big guy, and he's he's very skillful.
So it's a lot to like about what overall.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I must a chance to gain an advantage in the
first innings.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yeah, I just mentioned then the first innings of the
bat losing the last five or guess for for not many,
there's probably an opportunity there to to press sign and
get more of a lead, but that wasn't to be.
We knew that that that signal ball was going to
be obviously tough with the nature of the wicket and
the quality of the schlunkin spin bolts. So yeah, I
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think probably you look at at those those moments that
we're able to get through that and and I guess
press signing and get more of a lead than than
things could have been different. But but I think it
was still a good Test matches test match, and there's
plenty of plenty of good things that we can walk
away from looking into into the next couple of days
when you go again.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Rug and Ravenda also played a major role with the bat.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah, it kept us in the hunt that with that chase,
and it's a great knock in those conditions. Not obviously
not easy to bat the ball spinning and and doing
all sorts. And for for a young guy to to
who has a lot of experience, experience in this part
of the world, to to go out and get niney
odd was, like I said, to keep us in the match.
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And it's a great, great science for him as well.
So yeah, he's he's another one that's that's that's a
special talent and had a little taste of international cricket
and done done exceptionally well. So again a great young
kid with a with a good head on his shoulders.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
And you believe the target was always gettable.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Yeah, we knew it was going to be tough and
it was going to take take something special with the
work at taking a lot of turn in these last
last couple of days. So yeah, we knew it was
going to be a tough ass, but it was never
never out of reach. It just a couple of guys
to get in and build a big partnership. Then then
anything can happen and we saw sixty odd runs. It's yeah,
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it wasn't wasn't too far away. Yeah it's disappointing, but
yeah it wasn't. Sort of liked a few less to
chase obviously.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yep. That's a Sauvian and paying tribute to I think
one of the successes of that Test match Will O'Rourke.
He's he's made an impressive start to a Test career. Jerry,
hasn't he with some pretty impressive pace bowling.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Certainly has Wadd's good physique, good height, got his rhythm going.
Didn't he at gaul and bowled with decent pace? He's
already picked up wickets against South Africa? Hasn't he at home?
But this was a harder, harder sort of question for him.
Really over there the humidity, you know, they are foreign
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conditions and they are energy sapping kind of days. And
I thought he found a link that really troubled the
Sri Lankans, didn't you guys think that? I mean, he
got movement back into the right handers, not just in
the air but also off the pitch, quite extravagant at times,
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and had them jumping back in the crease. And made
them uncomfortable, let's be fair about it, in their top order,
didn't you think so?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Very much?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
So?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
I think he's been impressive since his debut at the
base and earlier this year against against Australia. As you say,
he bottles with decent pace, but more than anything, he
gets bounced and he makes it uncomfortable for batsman and
on that sort of wicket that's pretty impressive. And the
ability to come back and end up with five in
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their first innings that says a lot. Particularly, most of
these guys are pretty much underdone. Weren't they coming in?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, that's been the problem. I think that they were underdone.
They didn't get the game they wanted against Afghanistan and
it took almost the whole Test for them to really
gets the rhythm of the game. I think O'Rourke's got
an element of the Chris Martin about him in terms
of the way he delivers the ball and he is
getting the ball to well is he is he seeing
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it or is he in swinging it?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Well, it kind of keeps going a bit wadds. It
goes with the swing, you know, it's almost it's not
the ball isn't going to straighten if it's swinging back
into you. It doesn't then straighten up. It keeps going,
doesn't it. It's as if it seems and so yeah, no,
he was impressive and he's and he bold. I thought,
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you know, thirty six overs that was quite a heavy
workload and New Zealand had to turn to him. I
don't know what you but they had to turn to
him because he was the only one really threatening and
looking like getting a wicket at any stage.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, we're going to have to look after him, an't we.
I mean we don't want to be using him. Yes,
he is a strike baller, but I think I think
he's got to be looked down after as well, doesn't he?
Speaker 4 (09:09):
No question, Brian. I mean I recall back at the
basin there he didn't finish that test, I mean lastly
because he was called back without particular warning and ended
up straining his back. So there's a case example. You know,
you've got to be careful, particularly with that sort of
body shape. You can't over bowl them because he needs
needs two or three more years to grow into himself,
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because he's still a very young man. So I agree
with you. I was actually pretty pessimistic coming into this.
So in terms of the Test match, no, prep didn't
get that game against Afghanistan, so to actually have some
sort of bright spots was encouraging in some respects. However,
there are concerns about the wider team squad I'd like
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to sort of raise if I can, and I have
some question marks about some selections as well.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah. Interesting, Well one of those won't be around Rutch
and Ravender, will it? Because I mean, he showed the
quality that we expect from him, but the next Test
match is going to have to see some changes, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Can I just touch it on Russian Ravender? You know,
I watched him quite closely and I really enjoyed that
sicking innings and how he played played late, He was decisive,
his footwork was good. When they bowled a loose one,
he put it away. It was a It was a
it was a top knock in challenging conditions and frankly
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there was no one else, although I did think until
he got out rather stupidly, Blundle wasn't too bad either.
But why do you why do you, Jerry? Can you
explain this to me? Expose your stumps by reverse sweeping
out of the rough.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, you don't really not when it's not when it's
outside leg, when it's pitching. Makes the reverse sweep very hard,
doesn't it. When you're reaching, you know, past your leg
to try and get it round and across to the
off side. Even a conventional sweep, if he wanted to
do so, is a better option. Sweeping anytime, I would
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have thought, out of the rough is quite a precarious
thing to do because you do get as you know,
variable bounce, don't you sometimes, And so instead of getting
it in the middle of the bat, it gets to
the top edge and you provide an opportunity, or it
goes beyond that and you get the gloves into play.
And I mean, while while Blundele played the sweep and
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the reverse sweep pretty well, I thought in that match
he did get out to it both innings, didn't he
He got a glove in the first innings and then
he's got bold middle stump around his leg, around his
legs in the second. But it was proving, you know,
for him, maybe he felt and not many players did
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play down the ground much, did they. It wasn't big
drives at all. It wasn't one of those surfaces, and
I don't think it's going to be in the next
match either, so you need to play square. I think
a lot better. I thought Ravendra played well. I mean
he came in and was uncertain in the second innings,
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played off the back foot to defend, as a lot
of batsmen do if you can get through those first
twenty balls, and he was nearly out, wasn't He played
an edge bottom edge onto the keeper's foot and it
just fell short of first slip. But you know, once
he got the hang of it and then he started
coming forward as well, in a good stride in I
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thought he played very nicely and judged the length well.
He scored mainly off the back foot, didn't He punches cuts,
you know, sweeps, a pool shot, you know, those were
the areas that were working well for him.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
But he was also I noticed he was waiting for
that opportunity rather than perhaps forcing the pace, let him
drop short and then he would get onto them. Was
that was what I found impressive about, Whereas some of
other players get after him, and it wasn't as as
time it was was was was an issue, It wasn't
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at all. Yeah, I just wondered why, for instance, coming
back to Blundle, who I have a great I think
he's a very fine cricketer and excellent keeper. But you know,
why wouldn't he outside leg where they're bowling into that
rough just kick it away a bit and make them
come come over the wicket, You make them change, make
them ales that that sort of thing, because all of
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a sudden we're playing into their hands. And this guy
was a jas Are in the left armor with six
and five and five and four wickets, pretty handy looking bowler.
So I think that we went after it whereas we
we we let them sort of, we gave them the
opportunities as opposed to, you know, making them come at up,
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come at us, so to speak. Where that's what that's
what Ravendra did very very well, and that's sticking innings.
I thought he was really impressive.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Soilliamson was interesting, wasn't he. Williamson came out and I
thought he batted I mean, two quite odd dismissals for him, really,
but he obviously was going to be proactive. You could
see he was looking to play, you know, let's call
it positively. And I thought in the first innings he
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played very well. He played some very nice shots and
appropriate shots too, but he was quite prepared to go
at the bowlers at the spinners. The second innings, he thought.
He just went a bit early, I thought, and he
gave the left armor Jayasuria, just a chance to drag
it down, just a little look. And he couldn't at
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once at pictures and you're not there. It's it's impossible.
You can't do anything else. So I thought that was
a slightly odd dismissal because he didn't need to. I
was with you on that move. He was going well anyway.
It hit him for six over extra cover. It hit
him through the covers going down. But you can't go
early down there, you can't do that. And that was
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and that was a surprise and such an important innings too.
I thought Latham was organized and sweeping in the way
that he played Revendro. We've spoken about Mitchell in the
first innings, looked solid in the second. And as he
got done by one that came back very quickly from
the off spinner and beat his defensive shot, that's okay,
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that can happen into the pads and rebounded onto the stumps.
So Philip's had an innings and the first inning. So overall,
and you add in Blundle, I thought the batsmen generally
were looking in reasonable nick for the amount of play
that they could, you know, fit in. If I could
make two comments just and see what you guys think,
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I did think we had two chances to win that game.
And I think because of the way that pictures are
over there, if you're bat in your first innings, whether
that's first or second, those are critical innings. It's not
that the third and the fourth innings in a match
over in Gaul are much tougher conditions to batting, and
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you've got to make the most of that opportunity in
your first innings. That's the first point. And for me watching,
I felt we missed out on both opportunities in those
first innings. On the first day, we had Sri Lanka
who batted four for one hundred, Nasanka Karuna Ratna Chandamal out,
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Matthew's off the field with a finger injury. The Silver
came in and was just bold and at that point
Commindu batting really nicely for them left hander. We needed
to place great pressure on Matthew's coming back in with
the finger problem, and I thought we really needed to
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keep Comindu up at the bowler's end, so we needed
tight fields. Once Matthews was on strike and we were
a little bit guilty. I thought our spinners of losing
our length and dragging down in that second session and
Matthews got was allowed to pick up singles and got
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thirty five off of about one hundred and twenty balls,
so he's only scoring it sort of strike rate of
thirty wasn't damaging us, but he was allowing Kmindu to
face a lot more balls. So I thought we needed
to do that a bit better. I thought, as the
ball got softer as the game went, as the innings
went on, we need to stop boundaries. Sri Lanka got
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thirty three boundaries in their first innings of three hundred
and five. New Zealand got twenty five boundaries in three
hundred and forty, so we need to do a bit
better there. I think, be aware of that. And the
next thing is batsman can when they're confronting a softer ball.
There's a less quick turn because the ball isn't so hard,
there's a less bound and you can play off the
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back foot a lot more. As we saw Ofvindra do
so We need our spinners to be aware of that
and the speeds that they bowl in the lengths that
they bowl at that time absolutely critical. Second point sorry
talking so long wads is in the If you look
at the wickets in this match and how they fell.
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Day one seven wickets, two three three, those are the sessions.
Day two seven wickets three two two. Going through each
session three wickets, two wickets, two wickets. Day three, New
Zealand are two fifty five to four. First session. New
Zealand lose six in our first innings. There's the game,
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specially once Sri Lanka don't lose any wickets at all
in the second session of that day. Karuna Ratner and
Chandimail had that big partnership, that was the game. So
those two opportunities I thought there were a chance for
New Zealand to really make a mark and set a
marker down and we missed them both.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah. One of the things that's interesting, of course, is
that Jayasuria has got eighty eight Test wickets and he's
got sixty two of them at the Gaul venue. So
he's made for that venue, isn't he. And we have
to be able to cope with that. With the bat
(19:38):
and if you're going to be batting forth, it's not
going to be easy.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Oh look, there was no question about that. That that said,
you know this this is some This is an improving
Sri Lankan team. I mean there's some this this guy
come into amend this what a player he's turning up
to be runs in England one hundred of you. Now,
So Jerry, you're right if if you if you can't
put the pressure on and take the opportunity these guys
(20:03):
wire taken away from you. It's it's they look, they
look not a bad science. I think you want to
win the toss in the next test. Put it that one.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, the toss is important in Asia. We
know that for the reasons we've spoken about. The first
two winnings become important and then the pitch deteriorates and
it's harder. I don't I don't. You said you said
something about if it was a pitch at Lord's early on,
(20:34):
and I I just it's different from what we're used to.
It's different from what we see. And that's the problem,
isn't it For our batsmen? Inconsistent bounced footmarks turning quite
you know, quite viciously at times. But if you look
(20:55):
at the scores three hundred and five, three forty, three
hundred and nine and then a two hundred and something,
they're not They're not figures. That's that that's say it's
you know, it's flat, but they are They're not awful innings,
are they. I think that would be the first point.
(21:16):
I would make. The second one if you go through
the individual batsman first innings five batsmen twenty seven thirty
thirty six, one hundred and fourteen and fifty that Sri
Lanka batting New Zealand, second innings seventy fifty five fifty
seven forty nine not out twenty five thirty nine six batsmen,
(21:38):
third innings eighty three sixty one fifty forty twenty three
five batsmen for Sri Lanka. They're not brilliant scores. I
understand that. But it says that you can bat on it,
doesn't it. I mean those figures to me say it's
not substandard.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, I actually four in the context of that
might it went to five days albeit yep, not really
day one. We had a rock getting some bounce and
some carry. The first catch was was went carried well
through the blundle. So in that sense, then then you
(22:17):
look at the scores, Well, yeah, it probably wasn't too
bad a wicket really, you know, it was as a
Test wicket, you'd expect it to start to start to
turn in days three, three, four, and that's what it did.
I'll be concerned though, what's going to happen in the
next Test, whether they recycle this one or they've got
(22:38):
another deck to use. I hope that they don't recycle it,
but I think this is what we've got another.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Oh I can't. I can't recycle it most well.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But what did they do? I saw the block every
day and there didn't look to be much in preparation
in terms of Yeah, I mean, and I don't. I
don't think that it's the kind of pitch we want
to see another Test match on. That's my view. I
(23:11):
think it's substandard myself, because it was turning and it
was dry on day one. And you know, what are
they going to do in the next Test match? Are
they going to play the same kind of Test match
on that deck?
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Well, well they're going to play hopefully on a different pitch,
but it will be similar. Yes, Gold has been when
I was there and played and Australia were playing the
first Test against and Sri Lanka won that one. It
was rated below average by you know, I mean every
(23:54):
match refs on duty they you know, rate the pitch.
If it's rated substandard, then the home board you know,
is required to explain why and the venuers and to
be you know, a substandard. I think they've got to
then give some reasons if it's unsatisfactory or unfit, and
(24:18):
sanctions can be applied. So it was below over. The
second Test against Australia was rated good. Now against Ireland
last year they played two matches in Gaul, both rated good. Interestingly,
I looked at New Zealand versus Sri Lanka in the
seventh of March twenty twenty three at the basin rated average.
(24:45):
So it's an interesting it's an interesting one. But I
don't think that that was a substandard pitch. I've seen
it worse at Gaul.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
Well. I think it's borne out by virtue of the
number of the scores, the number of runs that were
actually made. So I'd agree with you, but I have
a reservation. It's about what's happening in the second Test.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, that'll be interesting to look at.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Ask a question, and we're concerned about a couple of things. Conway,
what's happening there? Because the guy that I just thought
was fabulous, but in the last eighteen months a production
has been modest at best, and seeing well out of
sorts the way you got out the second innings, you know,
(25:28):
reaching out looking for it, searching for it. It's it's
a concern and a question whether whether whether a guy
like Yan wouldn't be better there.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, well, what what do you think?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well, to my mind, I'm not happy with the pitch myself.
That that's my view. It's it's not the kind of
pitch I want to watch another Test match on. I
don't think it's good enough. But if they're going to
be playing on it, well, Will Young has to come
(26:04):
into contention because Conway, to my mind, has been short
of a gallop.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Well, he more than anything is underdone. Yeah, yeah, yeah
he is.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
And opening is not an easy gig anyway, is it?
But but yeah, I think I personally think that there
are three positions if I was involved with the team
I would like to discuss in terms of selection for
the next match. The first one in terms of the batting, Yeah,
(26:38):
Conway LBW in the first innings, playing across the ball
slightly and closing the face of the bats so he
misses it in his LBW. That's happened to a number
of our players. In fact, the dangerous ball on a
pitch like that is the one that's straight, that carries
straight on. You know, you're looking to play for a
little bit of turn, and of course it slides on
(26:59):
and it's into your pad before you can adjust, depending
on the length. The second one, I thought, I just
saw uncertainty, of uncertainty about Devon Unfortunately about his defense.
He got a couple of wide deliveries he could easily
let go and then no forward movement, no step that
(27:20):
step that we were talking about Ravendra get forward well
or back well, and he was just sort of keeping
his feet and almost as if he was setting up
to bat and the hands go and that's why the
hands are out in front that you were talking about
Moose and he got an inside edge and then onto
the poles. So yeah, it did look uncertain. I'm not
(27:46):
sure about this batting thing, and very different from Tom
Latham who'd had a you know, had a few As
I say, though, twenty balls. Suddenly things get a little
bit easier. You can bat on a surface like that
if you can get through those initial deliveries and so
(28:09):
but Conway or Young, gosh, it's an interesting call. It's
an interesting call. I don't you know. I guess you'd say, look,
he's had two innings, he hasn't had much of a bat.
Would you give him another go? Is his output and fit?
And you'll only know that for watching him. I think
(28:31):
in the mets, to see how he's going, see how
he is in himself. He will be totally determined after
getting that casual contract. He knows he's got to do
well to stay in international cricket.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Oh yeah, I could agree more. But just watching him,
I'm just thinking, this is this is a but this
is someone yeah, looking for something. Whereas Lathan, by contrast,
looked assured, we look decisive in what he was doing.
Same for Mitchell, and as you said, Williamson played I
thought the first thing beautifully that was in the start
(29:08):
contrast to deal in common and and heaven knows, I'm
a great fan of his and I really want him
see to do well. But I just I see a
person well and truly out of sorts and has been
so for quite a while.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
I think Boomera got got into him a little bit,
and I think since then the old broken finger and
he just looks uncertain and all looks no good. It's
a warrant, yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
He's a good player, but he has been a really good,
good output for New Zealand at Open and it's a tough,
as I say, a tough job. But you know, is
that going to hold him there? I don't. I don't know.
You'd have to look and see how Will Young's playing
and how he's batting as well in the nets. I
don't think there's not much else you can judge it on,
is there?
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah? Well, I mean the concern for me is that
we don't have batsman and form, and that was quite obvious.
But the other concern is did our spinners deliver what
we want on that kind of pitch. I look at
those sorts of pictures and I don't think that we
(30:16):
would be prepared properly to play on that kind of
of pitch.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
There's there's a few there where we didn't get very
much output, did we? I mean to go to Satner
didn't have a great test did he at all? In fact,
in fact his production is pretty poor full stop over
he's you know whatever it is test matches that he's got,
but that you'd be expecting more from Satner with matter
(30:45):
crickety that he's played over over time, I think I'll
be looking somewhere else myself to come into the site.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well, Satainer's stas picture as a major spinner, wasn't he
was in this game He's bold a thirty thirty three,
thirty four overs, he's both four maidens one for one
hundred and fifty Dean. I thought he lost his length's
It's almost what I couldn't quite understand from our spinners
(31:16):
was it was a pitch that was doing something from
natural variation on the surface anyways, And so I thought
of he could just go back and bowl as he
did were under Hessen, which was to bowl maidens and
just keep the ball there and keep the ball there
and bowl more like a one day style he makes.
(31:38):
It seems to me in test matches Mitchell Santa tries
to bowl an extravagantly different way than he doesn't in
one day cricket, and I don't think he needs to
in a surface like that in Asia he can keep
it there and keep it there and it will naturally
do something at the other end. Even though he's not
(31:59):
imparting loads of revs on the ball, it doesn't matter
quite so much. And so I just felt he did,
didn't you know, he didn't use the right style of play,
and we but Age has bowled beautifully in the first
session of the match and then was swapped around to
the other end and lost his length completely, and so
(32:23):
that was that was that was a shame for him.
And I thought that perhaps Saudi mister trick and just
having a chat and saying, look, how about this end here?
Is that end better for you? I don't know. They
may have had that discussion, isn't.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
He and therefore he should be he should be afforded
that sort of courtesy. I would have would have thought.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Would yeah, well, I I thought Phillips actually in the
first that first day and that second session was our
best spinner while those two weren't bowling quite so well
the left arms. So they bowled. He bowled Dan and
Jay had the silver, didn't he and then kept it
relatively tight and he was flat. It wasn't getted up
(33:03):
above the batsman's head and bring him out and go
past the bat and those kinds of dismissals. He was
more firing it in and getting the ball to turn.
So I just thought it was a pitch that should
have suited Santna and he would have been rewarded for
more accuracy, I thought, and I think as far as
(33:24):
the batting is concerned, he got two off two and
two off twenty two. So at number eight, you know,
we're going to talk a little bit about India and Bangladesh.
Perhaps there is Ashwin batting down at eight getting one hundred.
So number eight and nine you need runs in Asia,
(33:46):
Stantna and Saudi Saudi three off ten and two off nine.
We are not getting the output that we need from
eight to nine at the moment ten and eleven, just defend.
That's all I expect from you. Defend, you know, in
age as two off twenty two and the second and
(34:07):
that's the sort of innings thereafter batting with the batsman Ravendra,
that's the kind of innings we want to see from
ten and eleven. But that all those eight nineteen eleven
they scored thirteen runs in the first innings from twenty
six balls they are all out in four point two overs,
(34:28):
So that's not what we need for the remaining games
from that part of the order.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, are we needing to include braceful?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
We need to include bracefall if you want to have
two spinners plus your two part timers, if that's what
you want your balance, and not three seemers and one spinner,
because those are the options. If you want the two spinners,
then Bracewell comes in.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
And if I could be slightly controversial, I want to
see Henry there, who's batting has been far more superior
than them than the captains has been as well. So
with Satna and with with with with Tim Souvey, we've
got nothing out of out of them in the batting
and haven't had some for some time. And so just
(35:19):
once you get down to down to eight, it's pretty
much they just go through you. And that's we'll see.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yep, more than the batting moose. Saudi's not giving us
the bowling either, He's not, you know, I said, Oh
Rourke Bold thirty six overs. Saudi basically the number three
as well, and seeming you'd expect him to bowl the overs,
wouldn't you? More than o? Rourke younger man, faster man,
(35:46):
Saudi bold thirty overs, got one wicket and that was
that year. And that was a good catch from Bracewill
at mid wicket, wasn't it sort of just just diving away,
So so he's not really not really performing it and
he's bold less overs. So I didn't kind of quite
I sort of understand it because I wrought was the
(36:07):
one who was dangerous. But at the same time he
could have done more. He could have done more work
considered the spinners to break it up.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Well bolls and maidens. But you're right, just back on Satler.
I mean, if you want an example of what I've
had a bowl in those sort of conditions, you've got
today Ja from India, who bowls those left arm darts
coming in and lets the variation off the wicket happen.
He's a rat example. And also, by the way, but
eighty six as well, and then the first first shot
(36:36):
there's your model there, and that's what that's what India.
That's what we're going to be confronted in the coming
and coming weeks, aren't we Those guys.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Oh yeah, that's that's a different that's a that's a
that's several grades up, I'm afraid, but as a general question,
I think we should just stick on SOUTHI for a second,
six overs less than o'rock in the match seven wickets less,
took the new ball in the first innings, was bowling
between one hundred and twenty five and one hundred and
twenty eight. Got sort of. I would have thought over
(37:04):
two overs, two balls over the one thirty bowling four
point four overs per session? Is that enough for your
number two and three? Seema? I just like a sort
of an answer, is it enough for you guys? And
would Henry have given the side more, more pace, more
consistency and maybe more runs? Saw there's a bit of
(37:25):
catcher in the slips.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Agree with that, But I don't think we're planning because
it can catch a second slip.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
No, I'm just kind of I'm trying to balance the discussion.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
That's all to my mind. Henry's been our best bowl
for some time now, or quicker bowl of it us
for some time now, and I just think by virtue
of his performances just needs a position. You can't drop
a Rourke, So it rather leaves you with something of
(37:57):
a dilemma.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
I think, well, what do you reckon was if you
were coach, what would you do?
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Well? We may not have agreed on the quality of
the pits, but I'm an agreement on the changes you jest,
Henry Forsali embrace will for Satner as you say it
may improve the batting as well most and yet another
loss for the white fans in Australia. I just thought
i'd pop that in ten and a row now. But
great that Georgia Plummer has finally shown some ability at
(38:25):
the top of the order the first half century for
New Zealand in thirty eight innings fifty three, so we're
well done, but unfortunately they've lost again. Thanks your tom
guys once again look forward to another Test match on
Just off down to the tab to get a bet
on the side that wins the toss will win the
(38:45):
Test match. You want to be part of it?
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Well, look, I thought it was a reasonably close first Test, really,
I mean New Zealand had missed opportunities and there are
as you can hear, we got some potential tweaks. We
reckon all strength and the site and what's the pitch?
What's the picture going to be like? So quite a
bit to enjoy over the next few days.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yes, all right, and.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
You and I, You and I and Jerry are going
to have to apply to New Zealand Cricket to become
selectors and pick the team on a daily basis overqualified.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
We'll see what happens, all right.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
Next week when we review the Thank you, Thank you,
Jamond and I'll see it at the a B Cheers.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
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