November 18, 2024 • 41 mins
Today on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney were joined by former Black Caps coach Warren Lees as they reminisce about the international career of Tim Southee. Plus, they discuss if it will be four seamers for the first test at Hagley Oval, and the fairness of the concussion substitute in domestic cricket.
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hello, nice to be back on the front foot with you.
The black Caps squad for the England series just adjusted
a little bit to suit conditions or is it his name?
During the week, sim Salvey ends his his career in Hamilton.
Is the concussion replacements rule in first past trick a fair?
And is England second favorite for the home series? Here,
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as suggested last week by AGAs not too short? Do
we go in as favorites? Do we want to go
in as favorites? We've got Warren Lee's former New Zealand
coach and New Zealand week keeper and selector and everything else,
along with Jeremy Coney who we discussed these issues. Do
we go in as favorites?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Jerry, I wouldn't have said that as strongly as that was.
I know we've just come out of India very different conditions.
We're coming back to something that we know. England know
it as well, don't they. They will feel, I think,
a lot more comfortable than where they'd been recently in
terms of the pictures and conditions. They certainly gave us
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a bit of a belting the last time that they
were here. And I'm talking about their batsmen attacking our
sort of medium fast ish bowlers, and I think perhaps
the pictures and the size of the grounds might just
suit them a little bit as well. They've got, of
course Wokes and Matthew Potts similar to New Zealand style
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of bowlers as well. They've got a wee bit of
place in Olie Stone and Gus Atkinson as well. And
I don't know whether they'll use their spinners too much.
They'll probably select show of bashir I think down in
the first Test. So look, I think it's a very
close run thing. Actually, if anything, they have more dangerous players.
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I would say that, yeah, well are we better off
just taking the old underdog's tag?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We're fighting from behind, Wally. We always seem to have
the underdog tag, even though we're playing pretty good Test
match cricket at the moment. Are we better that way?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Well? I think we are. But history sort of says
that we'll be the underdog in many of these series
because we deserve to be, and I think in this
case the conditions are going to suit both teams a
lot more than the cricket that they've played recently. However,
I do agree with what Jeremy's saying. I think they
may be slightly stronger in certain areas on pictures that
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might do a little bit for the seamers. And I
think really we're still at a stage where we're we've
at inexperienced in certain areas, and I think that the
amount of cricket that the English team plays, the way
that they've played an awful lot of cricket and this
sort of these sort of conditions, I can't see us
being the favorites.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, we'll reflect on that in a moment. Also, the
side that New Zealand has picked, but one of those
that's in the side, of course is film Saudi, and
I guess Saudi is finally faced up to the reality
newest time was up and he will say goodbye to
Test credit well, we think so anyway, unless you will
get into the final of the World Test Championship that
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will be in Hamilton. But he knew his time was up.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Just playing a gamp. His enm was an a dream country.
So to do that at a young age was pretty special.
And I guess to sit here and it's gone, it's
going to string you quickly and set here and I
guess in time of the next along you reflect more.
But but it's just been been a great ride and
there's there's still a little bit to go. But certainly
didn't know it took that field in Nape. You didn't
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think we'll be sitting here seventeen years on, that's for sure.
But it has just been a real privilege and a
real honor to to to I guess fulfill a childhood
dream and rips in our country. I guess you look
at what's in front of you. And last year it
was the one day we'll cup and we had to
teach when he will cup. Earlier this year we had
this this chunk of Test cricket, which I guess was
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all exciting parts along the last last twelve months and
you sort of you're near the end of that that exciting,
exciting part and you sort of look forward and you're like,
you look at it and it's a marquee series against
a great opposition, one obviously which started again against all
those years ago, and and you sort of look at
it and it feels feels right, one last chance at
three grounds that have been been pretty good to me
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and and places I really love love playing it. So
it's sort of, yeah, conversations with with close ones and
and this is where we sort of landed. But yes,
it's it's a tough decision, but I think it's the
right one. Also, got some promising young bowlers coming through,
which I've thoroughly enjoyed working alongside and and hopefully taught
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them a thing or two on the way, and and
they've certainly taught me a thing a thing or two
as well. Just so that's been been a pleasure and
it's it's their time now to keep driving this team forward.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, he's been a great seven for the game, Wally
Tim Salvie. I mean, it's been a long career and
I think now he probably has seen the writing on
the wall, hasn't he.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I think he probably has. And one of the things
that really hit me when that that retirement and announcement
came out, was you know, I'm going to play my
last test in Hamilton, my home ground and New Zealand
cricket of okay that and then what about the player
who doesn't play at Hamilton because Saldi plays in his play?
So are we actually I actually thought that Saudi had
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played his last test, to be honest and un necessarily
think his record or anything. But I don't know that
when you look at the number of players we have
who have been in and out of the team, they're
gaining experience, they're tool well, but they're not getting enough experience.
I don't know that by the time that the Hamilton
Test comes around that Tim Sowdy will be would be
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guaranteed of a place in the team. And I would
hate to think that when you look back at it
in ten years time, someone was given a game because
it was a retirement game, and yet it's a test
match what every player who plays cricket in New Zealand
wants to attain at some stage. I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, interesting that, Jerry, But that's the way things have
done these days, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
It seems well it shouldn't be, and we don't put
test teams on the sentimentality, do we.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I mean, Sowdy's probably.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
In New Zealand's best four seemas or five seamers while
Jamison and Sears are injured, but as soon as they
come back, I can't see him make that lineup at all.
We all know Sawdy's past achievements, and that's really what
we're sort of talking about at the moment, but we
also know he's not quite that Saudi that we've known now.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
He's been a.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Stalwart and a great foil with bolts, and he improved
as he developed that outswing, of course, and using the
crease and the wobble ball and.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The three you know, he did those things.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
He used to nail Yorkers, and because he was tall,
he had a short ball there for himself to use,
and he worked players out and worked them over a bit,
and he became a clever bowler, pulled them a bit
wider of the stump's fine bowler, very accurate catcher in
the outfield and in the slips. I got the impression
he loved being in the New Zealand team too, and
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became pretty central to it. While with no more than
that than me and set to finish second to Hadley
in terms of wickets. I think, did I see somewhere
he got too? He's got two hundred ode eyes and
one hundred twenty wickets as well. Ye you know, he's
adapted to the shorter formats. So he's been a great
New Zealand cricketer. But it is you know, fifteen wickets
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in the last ten Tests that kind of doesn't you know,
It sort of says that it's time.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yep. He did a great job when he was leading
the attack seven hundred and seventy international wickets and he's
been a great performer. Any special memories on what he achieved, well,
I mean, I know there are a couple of very
good bowling performances. I don't know that I can remember
too many of his batting performances, although he did get
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sixty on on one of those Indian Tests which helped
me with hell and win in that series.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I just think he's someone who had a really mixed
start with New Zealand team. He had issues of fitting
into the group. The fact that you're now on tour
and this is the behavior that's required, and that happens
to a lot of people. I think he went through
that ership quite quickly and he learned the lessons and
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therefore he started to develop a mind that could sort
out his game and the game of the players he
played against. And I think his career has been absolutely fantastic. However,
I I want to go on about this too long,
but I hope that Sam Wells and Gary Stead are
still picking the best team when it comes to a
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Test match to fit the conditions and the team we
play against. It's got to be the best team we
can put on the park. Otherwise we deserve to be
called the underdogs. If we're just saying well well done.
It's been a long career and you two players. One's
a bestment, one's a bowl you can play in the last. No,
that's not the way Test cricket is. Test cricket is
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the top game you can ever play, and we've got
to keep it that way.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
One of his best bowling performances, to my mind, came
in Bangalore. I was lucky to see the performance in
India seven for sixty four. Aside that they contained Pijara Coley,
Dony Tindokal was on that team as well seven for
sixty four and Bengalora is a pretty good achievement. The
other one jury was at seven for thirty three. He
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took at Sky Stadium in Wellington in the World Cup
in twenty fifteen against England and goes Southe.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Then a good start for England is there and he
bowls is bowling, Bell's bowled and airy drive. It was
full and it's in the play around it a bit.
Just as I was saying it's a good start for England,
they lose their first wicket and then now eighteen for
one is his pitch, mubbyl Yorker and mooween's out. Whoa wow,
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wow clean bowlder Yorka might have swung a little bit again.
Itthing rather late on it to me.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Seth again.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
One hundred and four for five.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Taylor goes without scoring New Zealand flying in Wellington to.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
The bowling of Southey, and the teacher I'd got behind
Land across the all just left him ever so slightly.
There's a lovely delivery again from Southe. Here he is
to Wokes and bowld five for Sauthe brilliant performance with
the ball five for twenty six it's one hundred and
ten for seven. Saudi bars to him and this one
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has him hitting towardsman Off and as Kyle caught by Vitty.
That's six for Southey and again an unusual stroke. Vitri
has made ground to his left. He's taken the catch
and brought us on his way.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Saudi again balls has edge and taking it slip. There's
the seventh. I won a performance by Tim Saudi. This
has been He's taken seven for thirty one the best
figures buy a New Zealand to a one day international
cricket and he's absolutely swepting a aside.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah that was that was Actually I think the game
almost over before lunch and all the English medium of
really hacked off. They might not get a lunch, but yeah,
look one the first one you mentioned is the one
that stands out for me because in Indian conditions on
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a surface that didn't suit him quite so well, he
couldn't keep on swinging it. He had to find other
ways to get good players out and to get seven
for I think it was about seven for sixty odd
or whatever. But he held the whole New Zealand bowling
innings together. There look It's like any player, I mean,
he's played over one hundred Tests. You're going to have
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some good ones wadds, and you're going to have some
days that are not so good, of course, and you
try and make your average days a little bit better,
and you're always trying to push to keep going, and
you know you're bound to have a few good days
and so will. There will be lots of people listening
to this to who'll be able to think of many
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more than I can right at the moment. But that's
one I certainly remember thinking, boy, that's a very good
bowling performance.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, you look back at the career in the earlier
stages like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen and those years. In
twenty thirteen he took thirty six Test wickets that year
and played eight Tests. Now the contrast that to Jimmy Anderson,
who actually played fourteen Test matches that year and took
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fifty odd Test wickets. And so you know, Saudi and
the New Zealand bowlers probably come a distant second to
many of those players with the opportunities they get.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Wally, Yeah, that's exactly right. One thing that we mustn't
forget is we look back on clicker as the past
easier for old people like me. But the Hadley Chatfield,
that sort of thing was that was a combination of people.
I think sometimes we perhaps overlooked the fact that Saudi
was quite quick to say, this doesn't suit me today.
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The work at taking doesn't suit me. The win's not
in the right. I have to take a minor role
for Trent, for Trent Bolt to take wickets. And I
think that the number of times I've seen them play together,
and I think they had an understanding of a really
good understanding of whose day it was going to be,
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and the other player was quite accepting of the fact
that he had to play more of a containing role.
And I think I actually think that Tim Sowdy was
very good at that throughout the latter part of his career. Well.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
That was an important part of any cricket side though,
to have a bowling duo at the top and two
guys that did compliment each other.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Jerry, Oh yeah, I mean you challenge the different edges
of the bat. They were different bowlers in a way.
I thought Bolt was just slightly quicker.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
He perhaps.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
He provided a different angle, really, I mean, and Saudi
did that by using the crease whilst staying over the wicket,
and so so he found ways. And that was the
thing I suppose about Southey Bolt I thought had just
slightly he looked as if he could run through a
team a little more quickly. But that's only me from
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you know, a distance watching. They both were terrific together.
I think we just got to say that was great
that they what a happy coincidence they came together themselves.
But you're right about the It was right about the
number of games that the Big three in particularly England play,
and you were mentioning Anderson there as far as New
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Zealand and say that, you know, not the Big three
are concerned. You know, the Big Three plus seventy one
percent of their Test series our three Test match series
and twenty nine percent are two Test match series. Ours
are exactly the opposite, seventy one percent of two tests
and twenty nine are three tests series. And well that's
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where we make our money when the Big threey come
to town, isn't it, Which is precisely why we played
so many two tests series. You know, three Test matches
is a rarity. We're looking forward to it this particular time.
Because our boards, you know, they you know they want
to play just a two tests and then play a
few short format matches.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You know, it's a money it's a money issue.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Well, getting back to your original point two, Wally about
whether or not Sauthy should play Hamilton. What about in
christych the first test coming up? He has led the attack.
They've got a deck that I imagine will be made
for seemas because spinners have been pushed a little bit
to the background in terms of selection with Satna not
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being chosen there. But they've still got those who can
turn the ball. But Henry O'Rourke and Sauvey, should that
be our seam attack or does Nathan Smith to look.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
At well, I definitely have seen Nathan Smith a few
times earlier on in his career, and I was nothing
but impressed when I saw him and Alexander a couple
of seasons ago. Seldom can you say this guy has
got something special. He's an athlete. He runs in as
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if he's one hundred percent fit. He runs in with
a rhythm that says, on my day, I can do
special things. And I think it doesn't always happen. But
I have seen him at his very best and I've thought,
my word, this guy sometime is going to get an
opportunity seldom given to a lot of other people. But
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it's possibly because he just looks athletic. You see a
lot of fastball and you think, God, they're struggling to
get to the picture. They struggle, they struggle to get
into their rhythm. They really know this guy when he's
on his day, he's got something special. And I think
I'm not saying they should just keep chopping and changing
these players, but we have done a wee bit of
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that in the last couple of seasons. We've had an
awful lot of seeing Boulders play for New Zealand and
never been seen again through injury and lack of form perhaps,
But we've got to settle on someone soon to make
that replacement. And I think he has every opportunity.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
For Seema's part times Betner, then for the Test match,
do you see yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
I think so. Well, we don't know that, we don't
know what they're going to offer up and have the conditions,
but we've got a fair idea that's not going to
be what they've been playing on recently, so it is
going to be a seam as sort of thing it
may be, and I think you're heading towards that that maybe, well,
who's the spin riff? There's only one? And also you've
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got to give the guys the opportunity. Those who have
performed recently have surprised a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Of people a row.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
He's surprised a lot of people the way he seemed
to claim an experienced head before his time, and I
think that's fantastic. We can't give them a couple of
games and throw them aside. We've got to start looking
after what we've got. And yeah, I think we've got
every opportunity of picking four really good seemas at the moment.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
But of a dilemma, Jerry, isn't it well that the selectors,
I mean they've left Bracewell, Ajas, Patel and Sanna are
out in this test, haven't they. It's going to be
for seemas, isn't it. That's what they're basically saying. And
the selectors are not going to fight nature and try
to attempt to, you know, try and get Hagley over
to turn aggressively.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You can't. You can't just do that. So I would
say it's a seam shootout.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
There's no or a swing shootout as well, So batsmen
better gear up for that sort of those sorts of questions.
I think, and you know, and I think if they're wise,
they'll take that movement beyond the first innings, if they can,
if we're good enough to do that, because you know,
whether that's a little bit longer grass on it, whatever
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they feel they have to do. We want to have
a chance to bowl at England and we don't want
the toss to determine that. I mean, I'm talking about
how do we beat England. We beat England by the
ball moving. If we allow New Zealand pictures to get
flat and for the English batsman to hit through the line.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
We'll get hit.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I'm afraid that's it. That's what will happen. That's where
their strength lies. And so movement is the key against England.
I mean, they did it to us last time. If
you remember, look at what they got eight hundred and
twenty three for seven against Pakistan at five point five.
That's where they like to dominate with them a different
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condition where it turns and it changes instead of batting
for that length of time and Royal Pindi they batted
for thirty seven overs in the second deck. They try,
they have trouble when the ball is moving. So that's
the sort of thing I think we should prepare and
we are going to have to fight it out ourselves
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with our batsmen.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
That's the way we have to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's interesting, Wally, because if that's the case and we
use the Seamas, we're going to have to either have
one of Phillips or a Vendra or else we don't
pick will Young, So who is it out of the
top six, Because you're going to have Blundle at seven.
Who's going to miss out in the top six? With
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Williamson back in the side, I.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Think it's really hard to tune around to will Young
and say, you know, well done, that's fantastic, and we
really think you've got a future and now you're not
going to play. I think there's something we have to
It's a funny thing with our psyche about the way
we bat in a lot of these games, especially against
the top three teams in the past, is that we
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go out to bat when we say two or three down,
as if we have no confidence at the next player
coming in. I think that's something that has really changed
with the English team. I think they have the Australian
approach of ten fifteen years ago, where it doesn't matter.
They have one hundred percent confidence in the next player,
so the next player can come out and play an
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attacking array of shots and say I'm going to take
it to you. That's the way that that's the way
that Obviously McCallum's got some influence, but that's the way
they can play. I don't know that that really suits
the way some of our players think. And I think
that what worries me is we're either going to be
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really strong fighters at five six and seven or we've
actually got to say, now hold on, we're better than that.
We're going to continue with the way we want to play.
I just think that we don't fight. It disappointed me
schri Lanka obviously, but we didn't fight fight at all,
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and it was test cricket and I'm not saying that
the huge result it was. It was inevitable that we
were probably going to look but we could have fought
harder and showed a wee bit more of that gritty
determination that players have played with in the past. And
it's one or the other. You can't you can't sort
of expect one player to go out, Phillips in particular,
and play this attacking role and on his day it's
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going to save It's not going to save things when
he got two days to go. So you've got to
We've got to either have the approach that we trust
each other or we're going to fight harder. And I
think that's a big thing for the New Zealand team
going into the into the series with England.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
We will have time wall because of the way that
England plays. They use time up, particularly with the bat,
in order to bowl the opposition out. So time is
available for the opposition if you're good enough, and we
can use that time as we did. If you think
in that second Test where we were held on to
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win by one run, our second innings went on and
on and on and on for one hundred and sixty
seven overs. If we're good enough, we can do that.
As far as the question about Young, if christ Church
is not going to turn and clearly the selectors don't
think so, if it's necessary, do we need two part
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time spinners. So the question for me becomes who is
the better batsman between Phillips and Young. Yes, Phillips bowls
a few overs and can hit. He's done a very
good job so far, particularly in India, did well. He
feels well in the gully. That might be an area
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where the New Zealand might struggle to replicate. And he
of course in the outfield. But Young, to my mind,
should play and he can bat it three. Williamson can
go four and they can all just slide down. Williams's
bad at four before he's coming back. They can slide down.
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It's all slide down one. And so Mitchell ends up
at six and Blundle seven the keeper, and then you
have your four seemers, including Nathan Smith as the next
one down at eight, and then your three bowlers. We
haven't decided quite who those you know that triumvirate will be.
But Young is unflustered. He showed he was confident. He
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defended accurately, He picked the deliveries to attack, He took
his time, He didn't rush quite as much as the
other New Zealand batsman who wanted to make a statement
and get their runs before they were got out. I
thought he's become and he's also become a very serviceable
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batpad and maybe can be to the seemers, which might
be needed as well.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So I personally think he handled Boomra well.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
He looked calm, He looked a test player to me,
and I thought, you've sat on the sideline, you know,
a sideline too long now, Son.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's a fair enough point too. So it looks like
Ravendra might have to do some spin bowling out of
the side that we will select, and we will have
four seemers. We're interested to see what comes up from
the pitch at Hagley.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
An intriguing issue came up during the first round of
the Plunket Shield, the use of concussion substitutes in the
domestic game. Not a post to them. I think they're
important in terms of player safety, but for me, shouldn't
they be like for like In one of the games,
both wicket keepers needed substitute players concussion subs.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
One both chose.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
One chose to be replaced by another wicket keeper who
didn't have concussion. The other thought they'd bring in another
seam bowler, and so they put a seam bowler. I
disagree with that. To my mind, it should be like
for like how do you see it, Wally, I know.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
You're thinking like for like means if it's a wishy
keeper who's injured, it must be a wikei keeper who
comes in. But if you're taking a lot of plas,
you can't do that in the first class. Well, we
would Phillips fit in? Does he come in to if
this even happened, would Phillips even replace a spin bowler
or would he be a special fielder, would he be
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a wicket keeper? Would it be a guy who comes into.
I mean, I don't know that you can sort of
say like for like, because because most of these players
are sort of what we might call multi challenged, they're
all all round us these days. I don't even know
if I agree with the replacement rule. I'm not even
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sure that that sits too well with me. I was
even in the past sort of wondering why there was
no runner, no replacement runner, and all those different things
have happened, and you sort of thing, I don't know
if it's necessary. I know the safety thing, and I
know because of certain situations overseas in different games, everyone
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jumps on the bandwagon. But I don't know that we
were getting overruled and we're changing things too quickly.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, I don't know either. I would have thought in
the first class team you only take twelve when you travel.
I thought cost reasons would be a fairly good reason
for that.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Another plane, I see, do you okay another wicket keeper,
but surely so a flight.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
From Otago Otago playing Auckland. Yeah, if you fly them
all the way at to Auckland and back for a day.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Well you have to. If you were like for like yeah,
well do you not agree with theseus?
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Well?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I just think, I mean, well, if the cost is
not an issue, I mean, it's a bit odd to
have two keepers out.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
But however more, were they standing up what it was
happening in this game?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Weren't standing up what they got replaced?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
There was no spinners, hardly used. Thirty seven of the
forty wickets that fell fell to seemers. So unless you
were standing up to a seema either one of them,
they would be standing back.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I mean I would have thought, at this stage, before Christmas,
with the tracks a bit more grass on them, that
most of the most of the twelfth Men would be
seemers or a batsman. I mean it seems fairly speaking
what I think are you saying?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Are you saying.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
That if you bring another seama back in, I mean,
if he's a keeper, he's a keeper, yep. But if
you slide somebody else, like a batsman or a spin
bowler into do the keeping, and you suddenly have an
extra seema in your midst and he bowls, he starts
bowling some overs and it freshens everybody up, or he
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takes one completely bowler out of the play because he's
not bowling.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well, is that what you're complaining about.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Well, that's that's one of the things that could happen.
It could become a real roart for the So I look,
we it's a fast bowler's pitch. We need another sema
here just to rest our other seamers so that we
can keep attacking the opposition.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Are you're not sort of slightly biased thinking that there
are too many of these rules coming into the game. Yes,
I mean basically you would give the umpires something to
do because they do very little and the matter ref Yeah,
that's right. Those other people on we may have to
bring someone else along as the replacement umpire, you know,
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sitting on the sideline saying you can have that keeper
but not that keeper. Are we going to end up
saying the guy was left handed who got injured, therefore
he's got to be a left handed player who comes.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Can the umpires need a concussion substitute as well?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Do they?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Well they might do, But I think Whil's point is
a rather interesting one. About a left hand and left
arm bowler. Is the same thing in print Bot got injured.
He's a left arm seema. You can't bring in a
right arm seema. You've got to bring in a lifter.
So it just goes on on forever, which it possibly
will in the future.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, well there is that possibility now. It's just it
was just something I thought I would bring up because
it was It was interesting to see that two Wicke
keepers in fact needed substitutes. And you know, we're seeing
players being checked every time they get hit on the helmet.
They're getting check these days. They're going to change the
helmet and then go and sit out in their period
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as the doctor comes on and sort of ask them
questions about their private life that they don't want to answer.
But I'm sure that there will be someone who can
provide the answer that we require for that. We're running
short of time, guys. There's a test match coming up
in a couple of weeks. Lovely to have you back
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with us, Wally and adding your expertise. We look forward
to perhaps hearing from you again, and you'll be doing
a bit of work I think during some of the
games during the summer, is that right?
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I will appear on one or two games. I'm looking
forward to the test in christ Juge. We're having a reunion,
yes on the team that beat England back in nineteen
seventy eight and I had to look up the records
of that game to find out who played. Obviously I
have because I got invited, said I couldn't remember exactly
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what the team was, so I look forward to being
at Hagley for the start of that game.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, thanks, Wally. When we look forward to you and
Jerry painting the town red in christ Church celebrating in
nineteen seventy eighteen that Jerry didn't play for. But I'm
sure you'll enjoy it all the same, Jerry went.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You, Yeah, I will. No, I would have known most
of the lads.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
In fact, I was down there for the nineteen seventy
three reunion when Australia were down in christ Church and
some of those players will still be there and they
might be coming back. I mean, I think Rock Collins
was in both those sides.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Bold boycott out the second innings for a duck.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's the one.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Just a couple of things before we go. Jerry at
the moment to acknowledge the achievements of Frankie McKay in
the women's game. During a recent match in the HBJA
over the last weekend, she past the most number of
runs in New Zealand women's domestic one day competition. She's
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been around a long while, one hundred and fifty two runs,
so she's overtaken Amy Settithwaite and she's got those runs
at forty six point eighty three. And through the same
game she got the double most wickets in New Zealand
women's domestic one day competition Craikie Becai's got one hundred
and seventy six at twenty point one point seven. Well,
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you can enjoy those figures, Canta. It's a that's an
outstanding achievement by someone who's really committed to the women's game,
sure is.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean she opens the batting for Canterbury, doesn't she
as well? And she obviously enjoys being in the sick
of the contest, doesn't she opening the batting and with
her spin bowling. I think she probably would, you know,
more than likely evolved in those power plays as well
when the opposition went into bat So she's right in there.
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But more importantly, I think to play for that length
of time for the same province, and she's been in
and out of New Zealand sides, hasn't she.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You'd know that better than I.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
But you know, very important to keep those experienced players
through one generation to another and then perhaps even to another,
so that you take on a kind of a position
amongst the players where you know they gravitate, you know,
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the newer players gravitate to you. They listen to what
you say, You pass on your accumulated knowledge, and that's
very much part of a sporting team. I think the
makeup of a side, you get different levels, and one
of those levels is the experienced player who speaks sense,
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who doesn't allow things to get too carried away in
the room, and those kinds of things I thinking out
on the field as well, So well done Frankie McKay
on the personal things that you've spoken about, but also
the length of time that you've played for Canterbury as well.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yes, indeed, and of course she does a lot of
commentary now and she's very much respected in terms of
her opinion and understanding of the game. So a great achievement.
We'll try and grab hold of Frankie and talk to
her about a career at some stage, along with others.
The other thing I wanted to talk was just we've
had a couple of emails and one of them i'd
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like to acknowledge came from Darren Thanks for your last
podcast regarding the series in the air. I know that
I've bagged him in the past, but would like to
say well done, Gary Stead and to the lads of
the team having watched cricket since the eighties, the series
was very very special. Just goes to show test cricket
is not boring. Whereas when was the last T twenty
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you remember? Like comparing opera with a boy band and
I think we can say amen to that. Jerry. He
also through in a question a final question what is
the best way forward with regards to Tom Blundell as
a batsman. Well, I think we sort of covered that
erea in the program to a certain extent. He's now
likely about at seven. He's still there as a keeper.
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Had a few disappointing outcomes in that series, but it
wasn't easy to keep working in India on that last tour,
Darren says, his batting seems to have fallen away. Yeah,
but he's there for his keeping and provided he can
do that, I think we can accept some slip ups
in the batting. I'm sure he's not happy with it
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and came back and played domestic crackerving got sixty for
Wellington in the game that ended last weekend.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yeah, Tom Blundell has you know, every player goes through
difficult times.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
He has two skills.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
You know, he's an all rounder and keeping, certainly when
you go to a place like India or Sri Lanka
and the heat constantly up by the stumps, with the
ball bouncing at different levels and turning different ways and
unexpected turns, sometimes very difficult and to keep you know,
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clean sheet all the time. And the same when you
go out to batwise you've got men all around the
bat and you're against you know, quality spinners, so it's
never easy to get starts. As you go in at
number six or seven as he was, the spinners have
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already been on and got their spell going, and so
they are in rhythm and you aren't. And you know,
he got bold a few times, I think in India,
and it was just a case of either making a
good stride and playing but between where it pitched and
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your stumps. So if it's outside the off stump and
you're not quite sure if it's going to go straight
on or turn back in, you play between where it
pitches and your stumps. And if it just goes straight on,
that's fine, you can let that go. But you can't
go out there with your hands. As you knows, you
can't go out there with your hands and create a
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gap between your front pad and where your batter is.
And because if it drops, as the course the spinners
can do, they not only drift it, but they'd get
it to drop as well. And it's a wee bit
shorter than you think it'll turn back in between your
bat and your pad, yep.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
And I only hope that he just puts that reverse
sweep away for a little while as well, because that
was a feeling. Well he can now I think, yeah,
he'll play more orthodox now that he's back in the country.
The start next week. Jerry, I'm sure you'll be almost
packing your bag for Christs, won't you.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah, it'll be getting close to it.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Wadds. It's going to be an interesting series. I'm really
looking forward to it. New Zealand will be feeling.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Comfort and I think after coming from that that fantastic
you know result over in India, and most of those
players are being included in the squad. We've really only
got a couple of change out. I mean there have
been something. The spinners have been left out, haven't they really?
But most of the rest, Yeah, most of the rest
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are there, so I hope they have it. I hope
we have a really good series because it's our only
tests this season, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Really? We don't get any more. Up to the Christmas English.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, Barmie Army and the supporters will be there. We'll
have a lot of fun and I'm sure we'll be
memorable from both sides point of view.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
And I'll catch you. I'll catch you in Wellington. Yes, well,
you'll be quite a big wig there. Won't you. You'll
be a big wig.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
You'll be up there, up there, just drinking your G
and t s with all the with all the highbrows.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yes, I might spend some time in the order room.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
With the with the fifth finger cocks and it's just
so it's nice there and with your little cucumber semis.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
That would be lovely ones, be lovely to see you.
Make sure I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, I like you. Everyone good.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I take care of.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Summer.
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hello, nice to be back on the front foot with you.
The black Caps squad for the England series just adjusted
a little bit to suit conditions or is it his name?
During the week, sim Salvey ends his his career in Hamilton.
Is the concussion replacements rule in first past trick a fair?
And is England second favorite for the home series? Here,
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as suggested last week by AGAs not too short? Do
we go in as favorites? Do we want to go
in as favorites? We've got Warren Lee's former New Zealand
coach and New Zealand week keeper and selector and everything else,
along with Jeremy Coney who we discussed these issues. Do
we go in as favorites?
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Jerry, I wouldn't have said that as strongly as that was.
I know we've just come out of India very different conditions.
We're coming back to something that we know. England know
it as well, don't they. They will feel, I think,
a lot more comfortable than where they'd been recently in
terms of the pictures and conditions. They certainly gave us
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a bit of a belting the last time that they
were here. And I'm talking about their batsmen attacking our
sort of medium fast ish bowlers, and I think perhaps
the pictures and the size of the grounds might just
suit them a little bit as well. They've got, of
course Wokes and Matthew Potts similar to New Zealand style
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of bowlers as well. They've got a wee bit of
place in Olie Stone and Gus Atkinson as well. And
I don't know whether they'll use their spinners too much.
They'll probably select show of bashir I think down in
the first Test. So look, I think it's a very
close run thing. Actually, if anything, they have more dangerous players.
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I would say that, yeah, well are we better off
just taking the old underdog's tag?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We're fighting from behind, Wally. We always seem to have
the underdog tag, even though we're playing pretty good Test
match cricket at the moment. Are we better that way?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Well? I think we are. But history sort of says
that we'll be the underdog in many of these series
because we deserve to be, and I think in this
case the conditions are going to suit both teams a
lot more than the cricket that they've played recently. However,
I do agree with what Jeremy's saying. I think they
may be slightly stronger in certain areas on pictures that
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might do a little bit for the seamers. And I
think really we're still at a stage where we're we've
at inexperienced in certain areas, and I think that the
amount of cricket that the English team plays, the way
that they've played an awful lot of cricket and this
sort of these sort of conditions, I can't see us
being the favorites.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, we'll reflect on that in a moment. Also, the
side that New Zealand has picked, but one of those
that's in the side, of course is film Saudi, and
I guess Saudi is finally faced up to the reality
newest time was up and he will say goodbye to
Test credit well, we think so anyway, unless you will
get into the final of the World Test Championship that
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will be in Hamilton. But he knew his time was up.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Just playing a gamp. His enm was an a dream country.
So to do that at a young age was pretty special.
And I guess to sit here and it's gone, it's
going to string you quickly and set here and I
guess in time of the next along you reflect more.
But but it's just been been a great ride and
there's there's still a little bit to go. But certainly
didn't know it took that field in Nape. You didn't
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think we'll be sitting here seventeen years on, that's for sure.
But it has just been a real privilege and a
real honor to to to I guess fulfill a childhood
dream and rips in our country. I guess you look
at what's in front of you. And last year it
was the one day we'll cup and we had to
teach when he will cup. Earlier this year we had
this this chunk of Test cricket, which I guess was
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all exciting parts along the last last twelve months and
you sort of you're near the end of that that exciting,
exciting part and you sort of look forward and you're like,
you look at it and it's a marquee series against
a great opposition, one obviously which started again against all
those years ago, and and you sort of look at
it and it feels feels right, one last chance at
three grounds that have been been pretty good to me
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and and places I really love love playing it. So
it's sort of, yeah, conversations with with close ones and
and this is where we sort of landed. But yes,
it's it's a tough decision, but I think it's the
right one. Also, got some promising young bowlers coming through,
which I've thoroughly enjoyed working alongside and and hopefully taught
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them a thing or two on the way, and and
they've certainly taught me a thing a thing or two
as well. Just so that's been been a pleasure and
it's it's their time now to keep driving this team forward.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Well, he's been a great seven for the game, Wally
Tim Salvie. I mean, it's been a long career and
I think now he probably has seen the writing on
the wall, hasn't he.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
I think he probably has. And one of the things
that really hit me when that that retirement and announcement
came out, was you know, I'm going to play my
last test in Hamilton, my home ground and New Zealand
cricket of okay that and then what about the player
who doesn't play at Hamilton because Saldi plays in his play?
So are we actually I actually thought that Saudi had
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played his last test, to be honest and un necessarily
think his record or anything. But I don't know that
when you look at the number of players we have
who have been in and out of the team, they're
gaining experience, they're tool well, but they're not getting enough experience.
I don't know that by the time that the Hamilton
Test comes around that Tim Sowdy will be would be
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guaranteed of a place in the team. And I would
hate to think that when you look back at it
in ten years time, someone was given a game because
it was a retirement game, and yet it's a test
match what every player who plays cricket in New Zealand
wants to attain at some stage. I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, interesting that, Jerry, But that's the way things have
done these days, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
It seems well it shouldn't be, and we don't put
test teams on the sentimentality, do we.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I mean, Sowdy's probably.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
In New Zealand's best four seemas or five seamers while
Jamison and Sears are injured, but as soon as they
come back, I can't see him make that lineup at all.
We all know Sawdy's past achievements, and that's really what
we're sort of talking about at the moment, but we
also know he's not quite that Saudi that we've known now.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
He's been a.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Stalwart and a great foil with bolts, and he improved
as he developed that outswing, of course, and using the
crease and the wobble ball and.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The three you know, he did those things.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
He used to nail Yorkers, and because he was tall,
he had a short ball there for himself to use,
and he worked players out and worked them over a bit,
and he became a clever bowler, pulled them a bit
wider of the stump's fine bowler, very accurate catcher in
the outfield and in the slips. I got the impression
he loved being in the New Zealand team too, and
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became pretty central to it. While with no more than
that than me and set to finish second to Hadley
in terms of wickets. I think, did I see somewhere
he got too? He's got two hundred ode eyes and
one hundred twenty wickets as well. Ye you know, he's
adapted to the shorter formats. So he's been a great
New Zealand cricketer. But it is you know, fifteen wickets
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in the last ten Tests that kind of doesn't you know,
It sort of says that it's time.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yep. He did a great job when he was leading
the attack seven hundred and seventy international wickets and he's
been a great performer. Any special memories on what he achieved, well,
I mean, I know there are a couple of very
good bowling performances. I don't know that I can remember
too many of his batting performances, although he did get
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sixty on on one of those Indian Tests which helped
me with hell and win in that series.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
I just think he's someone who had a really mixed
start with New Zealand team. He had issues of fitting
into the group. The fact that you're now on tour
and this is the behavior that's required, and that happens
to a lot of people. I think he went through
that ership quite quickly and he learned the lessons and
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therefore he started to develop a mind that could sort
out his game and the game of the players he
played against. And I think his career has been absolutely fantastic. However,
I I want to go on about this too long,
but I hope that Sam Wells and Gary Stead are
still picking the best team when it comes to a
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Test match to fit the conditions and the team we
play against. It's got to be the best team we
can put on the park. Otherwise we deserve to be
called the underdogs. If we're just saying well well done.
It's been a long career and you two players. One's
a bestment, one's a bowl you can play in the last. No,
that's not the way Test cricket is. Test cricket is
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the top game you can ever play, and we've got
to keep it that way.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
One of his best bowling performances, to my mind, came
in Bangalore. I was lucky to see the performance in
India seven for sixty four. Aside that they contained Pijara Coley,
Dony Tindokal was on that team as well seven for
sixty four and Bengalora is a pretty good achievement. The
other one jury was at seven for thirty three. He
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took at Sky Stadium in Wellington in the World Cup
in twenty fifteen against England and goes Southe.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Then a good start for England is there and he
bowls is bowling, Bell's bowled and airy drive. It was
full and it's in the play around it a bit.
Just as I was saying it's a good start for England,
they lose their first wicket and then now eighteen for
one is his pitch, mubbyl Yorker and mooween's out. Whoa wow,
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wow clean bowlder Yorka might have swung a little bit again.
Itthing rather late on it to me.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Seth again.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
One hundred and four for five.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Taylor goes without scoring New Zealand flying in Wellington to.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
The bowling of Southey, and the teacher I'd got behind
Land across the all just left him ever so slightly.
There's a lovely delivery again from Southe. Here he is
to Wokes and bowld five for Sauthe brilliant performance with
the ball five for twenty six it's one hundred and
ten for seven. Saudi bars to him and this one
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has him hitting towardsman Off and as Kyle caught by Vitty.
That's six for Southey and again an unusual stroke. Vitri
has made ground to his left. He's taken the catch
and brought us on his way.
Speaker 7 (11:45):
Saudi again balls has edge and taking it slip. There's
the seventh. I won a performance by Tim Saudi. This
has been He's taken seven for thirty one the best
figures buy a New Zealand to a one day international
cricket and he's absolutely swepting a aside.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah that was that was Actually I think the game
almost over before lunch and all the English medium of
really hacked off. They might not get a lunch, but yeah,
look one the first one you mentioned is the one
that stands out for me because in Indian conditions on
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a surface that didn't suit him quite so well, he
couldn't keep on swinging it. He had to find other
ways to get good players out and to get seven
for I think it was about seven for sixty odd
or whatever. But he held the whole New Zealand bowling
innings together. There look It's like any player, I mean,
he's played over one hundred Tests. You're going to have
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some good ones wadds, and you're going to have some
days that are not so good, of course, and you
try and make your average days a little bit better,
and you're always trying to push to keep going, and
you know you're bound to have a few good days
and so will. There will be lots of people listening
to this to who'll be able to think of many
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more than I can right at the moment. But that's
one I certainly remember thinking, boy, that's a very good
bowling performance.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, you look back at the career in the earlier
stages like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen and those years. In
twenty thirteen he took thirty six Test wickets that year
and played eight Tests. Now the contrast that to Jimmy Anderson,
who actually played fourteen Test matches that year and took
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fifty odd Test wickets. And so you know, Saudi and
the New Zealand bowlers probably come a distant second to
many of those players with the opportunities they get.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Wally, Yeah, that's exactly right. One thing that we mustn't
forget is we look back on clicker as the past
easier for old people like me. But the Hadley Chatfield,
that sort of thing was that was a combination of people.
I think sometimes we perhaps overlooked the fact that Saudi
was quite quick to say, this doesn't suit me today.
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The work at taking doesn't suit me. The win's not
in the right. I have to take a minor role
for Trent, for Trent Bolt to take wickets. And I
think that the number of times I've seen them play together,
and I think they had an understanding of a really
good understanding of whose day it was going to be,
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and the other player was quite accepting of the fact
that he had to play more of a containing role.
And I think I actually think that Tim Sowdy was
very good at that throughout the latter part of his career. Well.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
That was an important part of any cricket side though,
to have a bowling duo at the top and two
guys that did compliment each other.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Jerry, Oh yeah, I mean you challenge the different edges
of the bat. They were different bowlers in a way.
I thought Bolt was just slightly quicker.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
He perhaps.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
He provided a different angle, really, I mean, and Saudi
did that by using the crease whilst staying over the wicket,
and so so he found ways. And that was the
thing I suppose about Southey Bolt I thought had just
slightly he looked as if he could run through a
team a little more quickly. But that's only me from
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you know, a distance watching. They both were terrific together.
I think we just got to say that was great
that they what a happy coincidence they came together themselves.
But you're right about the It was right about the
number of games that the Big three in particularly England play,
and you were mentioning Anderson there as far as New
(15:47):
Zealand and say that, you know, not the Big three
are concerned. You know, the Big Three plus seventy one
percent of their Test series our three Test match series
and twenty nine percent are two Test match series. Ours
are exactly the opposite, seventy one percent of two tests
and twenty nine are three tests series. And well that's
(16:08):
where we make our money when the Big threey come
to town, isn't it, Which is precisely why we played
so many two tests series. You know, three Test matches
is a rarity. We're looking forward to it this particular time.
Because our boards, you know, they you know they want
to play just a two tests and then play a
few short format matches.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
You know, it's a money it's a money issue.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Well, getting back to your original point two, Wally about
whether or not Sauthy should play Hamilton. What about in
christych the first test coming up? He has led the attack.
They've got a deck that I imagine will be made
for seemas because spinners have been pushed a little bit
to the background in terms of selection with Satna not
(16:54):
being chosen there. But they've still got those who can
turn the ball. But Henry O'Rourke and Sauvey, should that
be our seam attack or does Nathan Smith to look.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
At well, I definitely have seen Nathan Smith a few
times earlier on in his career, and I was nothing
but impressed when I saw him and Alexander a couple
of seasons ago. Seldom can you say this guy has
got something special. He's an athlete. He runs in as
(17:32):
if he's one hundred percent fit. He runs in with
a rhythm that says, on my day, I can do
special things. And I think it doesn't always happen. But
I have seen him at his very best and I've thought,
my word, this guy sometime is going to get an
opportunity seldom given to a lot of other people. But
(17:52):
it's possibly because he just looks athletic. You see a
lot of fastball and you think, God, they're struggling to
get to the picture. They struggle, they struggle to get
into their rhythm. They really know this guy when he's
on his day, he's got something special. And I think
I'm not saying they should just keep chopping and changing
these players, but we have done a wee bit of
(18:13):
that in the last couple of seasons. We've had an
awful lot of seeing Boulders play for New Zealand and
never been seen again through injury and lack of form perhaps,
But we've got to settle on someone soon to make
that replacement. And I think he has every opportunity.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
For Seema's part times Betner, then for the Test match,
do you see yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
I think so. Well, we don't know that, we don't
know what they're going to offer up and have the conditions,
but we've got a fair idea that's not going to
be what they've been playing on recently, so it is
going to be a seam as sort of thing it
may be, and I think you're heading towards that that maybe, well,
who's the spin riff? There's only one? And also you've
(18:57):
got to give the guys the opportunity. Those who have
performed recently have surprised a lot.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Of people a row.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
He's surprised a lot of people the way he seemed
to claim an experienced head before his time, and I
think that's fantastic. We can't give them a couple of
games and throw them aside. We've got to start looking
after what we've got. And yeah, I think we've got
every opportunity of picking four really good seemas at the moment.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
But of a dilemma, Jerry, isn't it well that the selectors,
I mean they've left Bracewell, Ajas, Patel and Sanna are
out in this test, haven't they. It's going to be
for seemas, isn't it. That's what they're basically saying. And
the selectors are not going to fight nature and try
to attempt to, you know, try and get Hagley over
to turn aggressively.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
You can't. You can't just do that. So I would
say it's a seam shootout.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
There's no or a swing shootout as well, So batsmen
better gear up for that sort of those sorts of questions.
I think, and you know, and I think if they're wise,
they'll take that movement beyond the first innings, if they can,
if we're good enough to do that, because you know,
whether that's a little bit longer grass on it, whatever
(20:12):
they feel they have to do. We want to have
a chance to bowl at England and we don't want
the toss to determine that. I mean, I'm talking about
how do we beat England. We beat England by the
ball moving. If we allow New Zealand pictures to get
flat and for the English batsman to hit through the line.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
We'll get hit.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
I'm afraid that's it. That's what will happen. That's where
their strength lies. And so movement is the key against England.
I mean, they did it to us last time. If
you remember, look at what they got eight hundred and
twenty three for seven against Pakistan at five point five.
That's where they like to dominate with them a different
(20:57):
condition where it turns and it changes instead of batting
for that length of time and Royal Pindi they batted
for thirty seven overs in the second deck. They try,
they have trouble when the ball is moving. So that's
the sort of thing I think we should prepare and
we are going to have to fight it out ourselves
(21:20):
with our batsmen.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
That's the way we have to do it.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's interesting, Wally, because if that's the case and we
use the Seamas, we're going to have to either have
one of Phillips or a Vendra or else we don't
pick will Young, So who is it out of the
top six, Because you're going to have Blundle at seven.
Who's going to miss out in the top six? With
(21:43):
Williamson back in the side, I.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
Think it's really hard to tune around to will Young
and say, you know, well done, that's fantastic, and we
really think you've got a future and now you're not
going to play. I think there's something we have to
It's a funny thing with our psyche about the way
we bat in a lot of these games, especially against
the top three teams in the past, is that we
(22:05):
go out to bat when we say two or three down,
as if we have no confidence at the next player
coming in. I think that's something that has really changed
with the English team. I think they have the Australian
approach of ten fifteen years ago, where it doesn't matter.
They have one hundred percent confidence in the next player,
so the next player can come out and play an
(22:28):
attacking array of shots and say I'm going to take
it to you. That's the way that that's the way
that Obviously McCallum's got some influence, but that's the way
they can play. I don't know that that really suits
the way some of our players think. And I think
that what worries me is we're either going to be
(22:48):
really strong fighters at five six and seven or we've
actually got to say, now hold on, we're better than that.
We're going to continue with the way we want to play.
I just think that we don't fight. It disappointed me
schri Lanka obviously, but we didn't fight fight at all,
(23:09):
and it was test cricket and I'm not saying that
the huge result it was. It was inevitable that we
were probably going to look but we could have fought
harder and showed a wee bit more of that gritty
determination that players have played with in the past. And
it's one or the other. You can't you can't sort
of expect one player to go out, Phillips in particular,
and play this attacking role and on his day it's
(23:32):
going to save It's not going to save things when
he got two days to go. So you've got to
We've got to either have the approach that we trust
each other or we're going to fight harder. And I
think that's a big thing for the New Zealand team
going into the into the series with England.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
We will have time wall because of the way that
England plays. They use time up, particularly with the bat,
in order to bowl the opposition out. So time is
available for the opposition if you're good enough, and we
can use that time as we did. If you think
in that second Test where we were held on to
(24:08):
win by one run, our second innings went on and
on and on and on for one hundred and sixty
seven overs. If we're good enough, we can do that.
As far as the question about Young, if christ Church
is not going to turn and clearly the selectors don't
think so, if it's necessary, do we need two part
(24:34):
time spinners. So the question for me becomes who is
the better batsman between Phillips and Young. Yes, Phillips bowls
a few overs and can hit. He's done a very
good job so far, particularly in India, did well. He
feels well in the gully. That might be an area
(24:56):
where the New Zealand might struggle to replicate. And he
of course in the outfield. But Young, to my mind,
should play and he can bat it three. Williamson can
go four and they can all just slide down. Williams's
bad at four before he's coming back. They can slide down.
(25:16):
It's all slide down one. And so Mitchell ends up
at six and Blundle seven the keeper, and then you
have your four seemers, including Nathan Smith as the next
one down at eight, and then your three bowlers. We
haven't decided quite who those you know that triumvirate will be.
But Young is unflustered. He showed he was confident. He
(25:40):
defended accurately, He picked the deliveries to attack, He took
his time, He didn't rush quite as much as the
other New Zealand batsman who wanted to make a statement
and get their runs before they were got out. I
thought he's become and he's also become a very serviceable
(26:01):
batpad and maybe can be to the seemers, which might
be needed as well.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
So I personally think he handled Boomra well.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
He looked calm, He looked a test player to me,
and I thought, you've sat on the sideline, you know,
a sideline too long now, Son.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That's a fair enough point too. So it looks like
Ravendra might have to do some spin bowling out of
the side that we will select, and we will have
four seemers. We're interested to see what comes up from
the pitch at Hagley.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
An intriguing issue came up during the first round of
the Plunket Shield, the use of concussion substitutes in the
domestic game. Not a post to them. I think they're
important in terms of player safety, but for me, shouldn't
they be like for like In one of the games,
both wicket keepers needed substitute players concussion subs.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
One both chose.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
One chose to be replaced by another wicket keeper who
didn't have concussion. The other thought they'd bring in another
seam bowler, and so they put a seam bowler. I
disagree with that. To my mind, it should be like
for like how do you see it, Wally, I know.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
You're thinking like for like means if it's a wishy
keeper who's injured, it must be a wikei keeper who
comes in. But if you're taking a lot of plas,
you can't do that in the first class. Well, we
would Phillips fit in? Does he come in to if
this even happened, would Phillips even replace a spin bowler
or would he be a special fielder, would he be
(27:45):
a wicket keeper? Would it be a guy who comes into.
I mean, I don't know that you can sort of
say like for like, because because most of these players
are sort of what we might call multi challenged, they're
all all round us these days. I don't even know
if I agree with the replacement rule. I'm not even
(28:05):
sure that that sits too well with me. I was
even in the past sort of wondering why there was
no runner, no replacement runner, and all those different things
have happened, and you sort of thing, I don't know
if it's necessary. I know the safety thing, and I
know because of certain situations overseas in different games, everyone
(28:29):
jumps on the bandwagon. But I don't know that we
were getting overruled and we're changing things too quickly.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, I don't know either. I would have thought in
the first class team you only take twelve when you travel.
I thought cost reasons would be a fairly good reason
for that.
Speaker 8 (28:49):
Another plane, I see, do you okay another wicket keeper,
but surely so a flight.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
From Otago Otago playing Auckland. Yeah, if you fly them
all the way at to Auckland and back for a day.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Well you have to. If you were like for like yeah,
well do you not agree with theseus?
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Well?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I just think, I mean, well, if the cost is
not an issue, I mean, it's a bit odd to
have two keepers out.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
But however more, were they standing up what it was
happening in this game?
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Weren't standing up what they got replaced?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
There was no spinners, hardly used. Thirty seven of the
forty wickets that fell fell to seemers. So unless you
were standing up to a seema either one of them,
they would be standing back.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
I mean I would have thought, at this stage, before Christmas,
with the tracks a bit more grass on them, that
most of the most of the twelfth Men would be
seemers or a batsman. I mean it seems fairly speaking
what I think are you saying?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Are you saying.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
That if you bring another seama back in, I mean,
if he's a keeper, he's a keeper, yep. But if
you slide somebody else, like a batsman or a spin
bowler into do the keeping, and you suddenly have an
extra seema in your midst and he bowls, he starts
bowling some overs and it freshens everybody up, or he
(30:28):
takes one completely bowler out of the play because he's
not bowling.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well, is that what you're complaining about.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Well, that's that's one of the things that could happen.
It could become a real roart for the So I look,
we it's a fast bowler's pitch. We need another sema
here just to rest our other seamers so that we
can keep attacking the opposition.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Are you're not sort of slightly biased thinking that there
are too many of these rules coming into the game. Yes,
I mean basically you would give the umpires something to
do because they do very little and the matter ref Yeah,
that's right. Those other people on we may have to
bring someone else along as the replacement umpire, you know,
(31:11):
sitting on the sideline saying you can have that keeper
but not that keeper. Are we going to end up
saying the guy was left handed who got injured, therefore
he's got to be a left handed player who comes.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Can the umpires need a concussion substitute as well?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Do they?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Well they might do, But I think Whil's point is
a rather interesting one. About a left hand and left
arm bowler. Is the same thing in print Bot got injured.
He's a left arm seema. You can't bring in a
right arm seema. You've got to bring in a lifter.
So it just goes on on forever, which it possibly
will in the future.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Don't worry.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, well there is that possibility now. It's just it
was just something I thought I would bring up because
it was It was interesting to see that two Wicke
keepers in fact needed substitutes. And you know, we're seeing
players being checked every time they get hit on the helmet.
They're getting check these days. They're going to change the
helmet and then go and sit out in their period
(32:12):
as the doctor comes on and sort of ask them
questions about their private life that they don't want to answer.
But I'm sure that there will be someone who can
provide the answer that we require for that. We're running
short of time, guys. There's a test match coming up
in a couple of weeks. Lovely to have you back
(32:34):
with us, Wally and adding your expertise. We look forward
to perhaps hearing from you again, and you'll be doing
a bit of work I think during some of the
games during the summer, is that right?
Speaker 5 (32:48):
I will appear on one or two games. I'm looking
forward to the test in christ Juge. We're having a reunion,
yes on the team that beat England back in nineteen
seventy eight and I had to look up the records
of that game to find out who played. Obviously I
have because I got invited, said I couldn't remember exactly
(33:10):
what the team was, so I look forward to being
at Hagley for the start of that game.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, thanks, Wally. When we look forward to you and
Jerry painting the town red in christ Church celebrating in
nineteen seventy eighteen that Jerry didn't play for. But I'm
sure you'll enjoy it all the same, Jerry went.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You, Yeah, I will. No, I would have known most
of the lads.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
In fact, I was down there for the nineteen seventy
three reunion when Australia were down in christ Church and
some of those players will still be there and they
might be coming back. I mean, I think Rock Collins
was in both those sides.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Bold boycott out the second innings for a duck.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's the one.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Just a couple of things before we go. Jerry at
the moment to acknowledge the achievements of Frankie McKay in
the women's game. During a recent match in the HBJA
over the last weekend, she past the most number of
runs in New Zealand women's domestic one day competition. She's
(34:15):
been around a long while, one hundred and fifty two runs,
so she's overtaken Amy Settithwaite and she's got those runs
at forty six point eighty three. And through the same
game she got the double most wickets in New Zealand
women's domestic one day competition Craikie Becai's got one hundred
and seventy six at twenty point one point seven. Well,
(34:38):
you can enjoy those figures, Canta. It's a that's an
outstanding achievement by someone who's really committed to the women's game,
sure is.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
I mean she opens the batting for Canterbury, doesn't she
as well? And she obviously enjoys being in the sick
of the contest, doesn't she opening the batting and with
her spin bowling. I think she probably would, you know,
more than likely evolved in those power plays as well
when the opposition went into bat So she's right in there.
(35:09):
But more importantly, I think to play for that length
of time for the same province, and she's been in
and out of New Zealand sides, hasn't she.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You'd know that better than I.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
But you know, very important to keep those experienced players
through one generation to another and then perhaps even to another,
so that you take on a kind of a position
amongst the players where you know they gravitate, you know,
(35:44):
the newer players gravitate to you. They listen to what
you say, You pass on your accumulated knowledge, and that's
very much part of a sporting team. I think the
makeup of a side, you get different levels, and one
of those levels is the experienced player who speaks sense,
(36:07):
who doesn't allow things to get too carried away in
the room, and those kinds of things I thinking out
on the field as well, So well done Frankie McKay
on the personal things that you've spoken about, but also
the length of time that you've played for Canterbury as well.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yes, indeed, and of course she does a lot of
commentary now and she's very much respected in terms of
her opinion and understanding of the game. So a great achievement.
We'll try and grab hold of Frankie and talk to
her about a career at some stage, along with others.
The other thing I wanted to talk was just we've
had a couple of emails and one of them i'd
(36:45):
like to acknowledge came from Darren Thanks for your last
podcast regarding the series in the air. I know that
I've bagged him in the past, but would like to
say well done, Gary Stead and to the lads of
the team having watched cricket since the eighties, the series
was very very special. Just goes to show test cricket
is not boring. Whereas when was the last T twenty
(37:05):
you remember? Like comparing opera with a boy band and
I think we can say amen to that. Jerry. He
also through in a question a final question what is
the best way forward with regards to Tom Blundell as
a batsman. Well, I think we sort of covered that
erea in the program to a certain extent. He's now
likely about at seven. He's still there as a keeper.
(37:28):
Had a few disappointing outcomes in that series, but it
wasn't easy to keep working in India on that last tour,
Darren says, his batting seems to have fallen away. Yeah,
but he's there for his keeping and provided he can
do that, I think we can accept some slip ups
in the batting. I'm sure he's not happy with it
(37:50):
and came back and played domestic crackerving got sixty for
Wellington in the game that ended last weekend.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Yeah, Tom Blundell has you know, every player goes through
difficult times.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
He has two skills.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
You know, he's an all rounder and keeping, certainly when
you go to a place like India or Sri Lanka
and the heat constantly up by the stumps, with the
ball bouncing at different levels and turning different ways and
unexpected turns, sometimes very difficult and to keep you know,
(38:27):
clean sheet all the time. And the same when you
go out to batwise you've got men all around the
bat and you're against you know, quality spinners, so it's
never easy to get starts. As you go in at
number six or seven as he was, the spinners have
(38:47):
already been on and got their spell going, and so
they are in rhythm and you aren't. And you know,
he got bold a few times, I think in India,
and it was just a case of either making a
good stride and playing but between where it pitched and
(39:09):
your stumps. So if it's outside the off stump and
you're not quite sure if it's going to go straight
on or turn back in, you play between where it
pitches and your stumps. And if it just goes straight on,
that's fine, you can let that go. But you can't
go out there with your hands. As you knows, you
can't go out there with your hands and create a
(39:30):
gap between your front pad and where your batter is.
And because if it drops, as the course the spinners
can do, they not only drift it, but they'd get
it to drop as well. And it's a wee bit
shorter than you think it'll turn back in between your
bat and your pad, yep.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
And I only hope that he just puts that reverse
sweep away for a little while as well, because that
was a feeling. Well he can now I think, yeah,
he'll play more orthodox now that he's back in the country.
The start next week. Jerry, I'm sure you'll be almost
packing your bag for Christs, won't you.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah, it'll be getting close to it.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Wadds. It's going to be an interesting series. I'm really
looking forward to it. New Zealand will be feeling.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Comfort and I think after coming from that that fantastic
you know result over in India, and most of those
players are being included in the squad. We've really only
got a couple of change out. I mean there have
been something. The spinners have been left out, haven't they really?
But most of the rest, Yeah, most of the rest
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are there, so I hope they have it. I hope
we have a really good series because it's our only
tests this season, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Really? We don't get any more. Up to the Christmas English.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, Barmie Army and the supporters will be there. We'll
have a lot of fun and I'm sure we'll be
memorable from both sides point of view.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
And I'll catch you. I'll catch you in Wellington. Yes, well,
you'll be quite a big wig there. Won't you. You'll
be a big wig.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
You'll be up there, up there, just drinking your G
and t s with all the with all the highbrows.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yes, I might spend some time in the order room.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
With the with the fifth finger cocks and it's just
so it's nice there and with your little cucumber semis.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
That would be lovely ones, be lovely to see you.
Make sure I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, I like you. Everyone good.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
I take care of.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Summer.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
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