December 19, 2024 • 38 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney mark the performances of both the Black Caps players and the team as a whole after the test season comes to a close.
They also discuss whether Kane Williamson has played his last test for the Black Caps, and Mitchell Santner’s appointment as white ball captain.
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hello, pre Christmas on the front Foot. The Black Cats
save the best to the last, but it's only a
consolation win the World Test Championship and the season's success
has gone lost two to one two England. Why does
it take so long to play the quality cricket they did?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
In three?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
The third Test, Santa wins the top whiteful job and
we've got some on the Front Foot awards to make
from the twelve Test matches. Test match is over, Jerry,
the season's gone. It's not even Christmas and we've got
no more tests for about six months. It's a bit hollow,
isn't it when you say goodbye to Test cricket and
you're only left with short.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Format weird years, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Personally?
Speaker 7 (01:30):
I like the stuff after Christmas because better weather and
the pictures are a little bit better, and I think
the whole thing feels much more cricket ye if you like,
rather than prior to Christmas. But I don't know whether
it's just happened this way this season. I hope it's
not going to happen this way in the future.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
All the time, Garth, you'll be having some season greetings,
I'm sure, and celebrating the festive season that a traditionalist
like you would be sad to see the Test season
come to end and we've got to wait for July
to see New Zealand and zim Barbe. As I understand.
Speaker 8 (02:03):
It, it was such an odd feeling, wasn't it, watching
that Third Test in Hamilton and thinking it, you know,
it felt like the season's over. And I know that
we've got white ball cricket, as you've touched on, but
it doesn't feel the same. And I feel like, yeah,
you know, the Christmas has gone come and gone already.
Because I think for all of us cricket lovers, the
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Test crickets and stuff we love, we don't mind having
games before Christmas, but we prefer to have a few
more afterwards as well. So I mean I wonder is
it designed so that it fits in with the World
Test Championship.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (02:35):
It seems it's a bit of a shame. And I
guess what's the other thing in Jerry that occurs to me?
You know, the next Test is six months seven eight
months away in Zimbabwe, and if we'd moved into a
new series into February and March, you know, I think
this side would be forced to make changes, and hopefully
in Zimbabwe they will, but it just feels like it's.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Such a long way away.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
I'm not sure what's going to happen, if that makes sense,
but I hope there's a lot of reflection and a
desire to have us success plan in place, albeit too
late in my view.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, Jerry, the interesting thing is that Tim Southy has
had a grand fall well Sadly, Trent Bolt never got
one when he left the Test Match Arena, nor Wagner
he got a press conference in Wellington though I had
a few tears. But we hear murmurings that Test match
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cricket maybe over for Cain Williamson and no confirmation of that.
But those were strong rumors coming out of Hamilton, weren't
they I'm.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
Not about strong, but certainly I did hear them, Brian,
and let's hope that they're not true just yet, because
we saw the way that he played in Hamilton, and
he still adds a hell of a lot to the
New Zealand batting lineup, doesn't he. In fact, if you
looked at the bowlers and perhaps the who are available
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at the moment, Henry and o'rourck's been outstanding this year,
hasn't he, but Sears and Smith to add to those two,
We've suddenly got something of a seam bowling department, haven't we.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
We're bouncing a bit of pace and a wee bit
of swing.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
So it's the batting actually that we've got to start
to think about and look about.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Now.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
If it's Williamson, the king of.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
Our batting, who has been for some time now, thirty
three tests centuries, look, I would hate to think what's
going to happen, to be honest, for a wee while
it's it's, as you've already said, long time before the
next next meal, isn't it the next Test meal?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah? I wonder Garth. With the difference in the Test matches,
we lost the two heavily, and then we beat England
just as heavily. The difference was Williamson scored Harry Brooke
didn't or was it bigger than that? What's the difference
between the two heavy defeats and the one strong win?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Good question was I think?
Speaker 8 (05:09):
I mean the first Test in christ Church and you
know everyone observing will have seen the fielding, and that
really did feel like the difference between the two sides.
New Zealand's fielding was catastrophically bad, really and Brooke was
dropped five times. The first time he was dropped he
was on seventeen. He was then dropped in the forties
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and in the in the eighties, and had that catch,
had that first catch been taken, all the second one,
all the third one, things could have been very different.
So I I saw that as being series defining in
a way. And I think fielding has been an issue
for this side. They've always prided themselves on their catching,
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but I've just felt in the last twelve months or
so that the catching hasn't been as good as it
has been in previous seasons. I mean, the Second Test
was a whitewash, an absolute bath for New Zealand at
the Basin Reserve. You know, New Zealand were very poor.
They batted eighty nine overs and two innings from memory
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and never really got into the game again. You know,
some I think that the selection of Saldi for the
first two tests and all three really was a curiosity,
some real issues with not bringing young in when I
think many of us thought that he should have played
in the first Test. And then I guess in Hamilton,
you know, you don't want to be too unfit in
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New Zealand because they they murdered England.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
But I just felt that England were on the plane home.
Speaker 8 (06:42):
And so you know, it just felt like they were off.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yes, Brooke failed.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
You know, I thought, for me, possibly the most significant
thing to come out of that match was the absolute
the superb fast bowling of O'Rourke. He was hostile and
Brock faced seven balls in two innings and he got
on both times. O' rourke Brook's number one in the world,
number two, and I thought I Rock had it over
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both of them.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
You know, it was it was a.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Really exciting to see a New Zealand bowler bowling at
one hundred and fifty k's plus and Brock did not
like it and I think it adds you know, a
very interesting to mention. You know, England are talking about
having the right side for the Ashes. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
M interesting Garth newsflash for you. Rougter's back at number
one and Brookers number two. So Cain Williamson has to
slot in at three in these rankings and they change
every two or three minutes. Jerry Test matches in twenty
four New Zealand played twelve one six lost six in
the World Test Championship. They played fourteen one seven lost seven.
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Mediocre record. Let's give them a mark out of ten.
I've given them five.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Yeah, I think so was five as fair.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Maybe, well, they scaled the heights beating India, didn't they.
That's clearly the Himalayas of the season, you know, probably
one of our best results ever.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
But then you know, you look at the rest of
South Africa.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
B We lose to Sri Lanka, we lose to Australia,
we lose to England, and we drew with Bangladesh. There's
not really all that exciting, is it. So I think, yeah,
I think between four and five. Really you Seeland won
more tests actually away from home in Asia than they
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did at home, so that's a little bit disappointing really
when you want to protect your home ground, and note
you should know those conditions the best. So really we
did have opportunities, as Garth said, to beat both Australia.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
And England in my mind and one.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
Of the Tests, but we get into positions and matches
and we just don't nail it any longer.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
The match at Hagley.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Garth mentioned the catchers of course, but I mean even
against Australia, we remember dropping Marsh I think early on
that last morning and he was on about twenty and
he went on to.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Make eighty and Australia got through.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Really and then catchers are going down on the slips
far more often than they should, especially if we have
that bowling attack I just mentioned. I hope they sought
that out. Blundell hasn't had a good season with the
gloves wads and he looks to have lost a lot
of confidence. His batting came back a fairly aggressive innings
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the basin, but it obviously was in a lost cause.
And even during England that we mentioned the catchers, sorry
that Garth was talking about, they.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Kind of played Brook into form for the.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
Basin Reserve where he had a very impressive innings, I thought,
But the first one wasn't and I can't. I can
tell you that Garth and I met Latham on the
outfield it had at Hagley after the match and he
maintained steadfast league that there's nothing wrong with New Zealand's
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catching And it was extraordinary, wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Gars Yeah, And I think you know we saw obviously
Tom you know he then dropped another a sitter in Hamilton.
It was strange and I think the point you make
is the one I wanted to make two Jerry about
the Australian Test. You know, they we said on air
when we went into that last day that New Zealand
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must take their catches. They must and in the first
over it was Revendra dropping Marsh at point and and
you know it was a catch that should have been taken.
It was incredible that that that went down and Revender,
you know, I don't have much confidence in his fielding,
but that that changed the game. And then you saw
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Marsh went on to a carey scored a ninety eight
out and they won the game. And it was that
one moment I know they got Head out on the
same over. But Head wasn't the danger man at that time.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Marsh was and it has cost them a lot.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
And we continue, you know, while the New Zealand and
the England side talk about building for the Ashes. New
Zealand of course have a series coming up against Australia
in a year's time. You got a couple of years
and you know, I'm going to be very interested to
see what side they put out there and how they
build for it, and whether they have the confidence to
think ahead and look to the future and start making
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some tough decisions.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Your mark's out of ten Garth.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I'm at a five as well.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
Sorry to be consistent with you guys, but I but
you know you have to you have to look at
India and say, no other New Zealand team will be
in India three nil over there. It was an extraordinary achievement,
but I think they let themselves down in the matches
against Australia and England.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Is that enough to win them the Halberg Award for
Team of the Year or do you have to be
more consistent than that across the twelve months.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
For me, you would have to be more consistent. I
don't think that. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
I mean again, I suppose you look at a side
that wins a World Cup, I guess that they get
put up for a nomination. Yeah, I mean I find
it slightly confusing if a side plays very well in
one series but not throughout the whole year, they wouldn't
be my nomination.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
No, nor mine was.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, I mean, we've got to remember that Indian series.
It was outstanding. We can't ignore that. But it's still
a disappointing year in terms of Test matches.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
Can I make one other point, and that is in
relation to the selection and why I think that they
have failed in some respects. Just remember that when you
come to picking our best bowler of the year, I
think we will probably say the same person Jerry and
it's Matt Henry and I look at him. He did
not play in either Test in Tri Lanka, and that's
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because Tim Saudi was and Tim's record over the last
twelve months has been very poor. So for me, another
reason why they're a four point five or five is
they've made a number They've made a number of selection
eras based on favoritism, and my view.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Has Gary Stead done enough to keep us coaching role
or should that go into the marketplace to test those
who are available to do the job.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Look, I can really only comment on the things that
you see. I haven't spent a lot of the time
around the team wads looking at practices, and obviously don't
go to unseen things like meetings and discussions and planning
and practices and.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
All that sort of stuff.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
We can comment, of course on the selections, and we
have done quite recently. He's the head coach in all
three formats, and we all hear about the congested schedules
and too much cricket and that sort of thing. So
it's a bit of a cheap result for the NZCA
to have one person to pay on the payroll, if
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you like. I don't know how much actual coaching he does.
He's got coaches for every other part of the game,
isn't he fielding.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Batting, polling?
Speaker 7 (14:19):
There seem to be others, Yeah, all around with all
the tasks. Look, I think he's a pretty he seems
a pretty solid, faithful, kind of steadfast.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Devoted guy, you know, and with the.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
Number of cricketers we've got in the New Zealand system,
that might be you know, that provide a source for
him to choose from. They might be the qualities that
allow players to mature a bit better, but some will
feel other things. They will say it couldn't be bad
for a player if you play too long. Look at
Conway at the moment, for example, his struggles recently don't
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appear to be improving. And does he at some point
need to get away from the scrutiny and from the
assessments and the failures and return to a place, you know,
in a system where you know he's got time to reduce,
juvenate and you get some confidence. It just seems to
me the current coaching staff there don't have any answers
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to the problems. And some will also feel that, you know,
he's turned an international sports side, which is sort of
gas thing I think, into a men's club that you know,
once you're a member, irrespective of how you perform, you're
not dismissed. There's no effect at all, there's no consequence.
And so players you know, have become perhaps have they
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or some players a bit too influential and what goes on,
I don't know. Look at that T twenty World Cup,
not going there beforehand, all clearing off, you know, and
to do other things after. I mean, I just I just,
you know, find that he's perhaps a bit strict with
the limit of caution that he has. Well, look, everyone
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likes to pick teams, don't they. We do in the
teams to represent your country. We pour over stats and
we have a look at the players. We you know,
we developed favorites and you know, and all we see
the same players year after year. I don't forget our
eighteen beat Australia a last year twice and tests over
in Australia, so you know, rat was part of that.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Some of those players haven't come to the forefront.
Speaker 8 (16:26):
Yeah, I mean, I think I endorsed what Jerry says
about Gary Stead. I think he's you know, he's a
he's a fine person, I think, with a good heart,
who wants the best. But he is, in my view,
crippled by conservatism. And that's you know, in the country
of New Zealand size. I always feel that when we're
at our best, it's when we you know, it must
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involve a little bit of risk taking from time to time,
and I just don't see it. And so and the
greatest example of it for me is persisting with Conway
for as long as they have, and the and the
continued selection with Tim Soudy. They were prepared to have
a very hard conversation with Neil Wagner and it clearly
came as a surprised to Wagner. They weren't consistent with
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Salvi and you know, I just feel that that for me,
Damn's the coaching and selection crew and I want to
see a more ambitious group. I think when you look
at Steed's record since twenty twenty one, you first see
that he came in on the quest of a wave
in twenty eighteen. They went they won the World Test
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Final in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Which was a fabulous achievement.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
But since then, if we're looking at Test cricket, I
think the reck that the returns of this site have
been very modest and again they've been too content for
my view to stick with the same and I don't
think there's enough hunger for places in the team.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
It's not competitive enough.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
The other thing was is you know, six years in
a job for stead now and I think that represents
a period of time to discover the job and what
it means and what do you do and what things
you want to change and what for what of a
better word?
Speaker 6 (18:10):
To develop a culture?
Speaker 7 (18:11):
You know how hard you train, the routines of the team,
the selection policies, the dealing with problems, but after that,
you know it's kind of time to move on.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Give someone else a crack.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
And I feel, I mean Gary if he wants to,
because the results have been internationally okay, but apart from
since Garth, as he said, they were sixth last year
in the World Test Champions they're currently fourth. But you know,
I just think Gary should if he wants to have
a go again and apply.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Maybe he wants time with the family, He's earned that right,
But there are other candidates who should also have a
crack and at the coaching now, whether that's Shane Jurgenson
who's currently at Wellington he won the Plunket Shield last year,
whether it's Peter Fulton. We've lost Rob Walter who's now
gone to coach South Africa. He was here at CD.
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We've lost Heinrich Milan up in Auckland, he's gone to Ireland.
Grant Bad Bruins around and at Glamorgan. At the moment
there are coaches around and maybe we can co op
a few can't we is that a possibility. Couldn't we
co op? Couldn't we co op the fleming? Couldn't we
co up the bond?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
They may have to reflect on doing something like that
because we're starting a new World Test Championship we assume
in the middle of the year, and they've got time
to put that to the forefront of their thinking. It
may well be that they want white ball coaches and
red ball coaches. That's something that they can probably reflect on.
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Garth has given us his bowler of the Year. I
can't argue with that. Matt Henry forty eight wickets at
eighteen quite clearly the star performer and he was getting
help in the end by the best up and coming player,
and you've talked about that Will O'Rourke. Hard to see
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past them as the leaders of our attack in the future.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Oh, definitely, definitely. If we're going to continue to have
seam based pictures, green pictures, those two are going to
be crackers and maybe if we can keep people fit,
there'll be others to join them. I thought it was
you know, it was a difficult choice, for example, to
leave Smith out. I think he's shown even in the
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short two you know spaces. Of the two matches he played,
he showed enough to all of us, I think, who
have watched cricket for a long time to say, we
like your bowling.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
We like the way you say yes year.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
But he hit around a bit and you will leave
it full and a'll weave it short at times. But
the pace we like, the energy, we like, the effort,
we like, the fielding we love. He's really starting to
show some of the others up the way he moves
around that park in the circle. And he's also seeming
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to be useful with the bat. And he's going to Surrey's.
They'll teach him more. They're a very strong club, they've
won the last three championships and they'll teach him stuff
as well. So he's going to be a very useful
addition at number eight or nine in the order as well.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, there can be no argument with the batsmen of
the year, and I guess the player of the year
test wise Caine Williamson one thousand and thirteen runs in
the year four centuries, four fifties. He was the man
we missed the most whenever he wasn't available. Thankfully, through
the year he was available and we talked earlier about
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the possibility of not having him in the future. Who knows,
We'd have to wait and see. But he's the class
performer in this side, and he led the way with
the Batsman when others who we were expecting to contribute
the likes of Lathan, the likes of Conway, weren't able
to do so. Only three players averaged above forty in
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the Test matches, Williamson, Revendra and Young and I guess
that's not really where we want to bet.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
No.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
And Revendra's stats were boosted or bolstered.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
By a you know, a double century against South Africa
at the at.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
The bay Oval.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
I mean it was a very fine innings, but it
was an innings against a very ordinary attack.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
You know.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
I think if I look at my innings of the season,
I think probably you know, for all that can did
and he was magnificent.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
I think Revendra's you know, one hundred and thirty four
at BEng LaRue.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
Against India in that first Test when they bowled India
out for forty six and New Zealand, you know that
that was a critical innings and his partnership with Conway,
I just thought that was for me the batting highlight
of the year on an individual basis. But having said
that and having watched him through the England series and
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getting himself out six times in a row, he's got
an awful lot to do. He had a very good
series against India. But I think watching him, I'm still
not convinced that he's the number four. And just to
turn to Williamson, well, another incredible year by an amazing player.
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I have to say I had this sinking feeling in
Hamilton that this might be it for him.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
In the white clothing game. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
It's it's that gut instinct, but I felt that I
was watching, you know, possibly Williamson playing in his last
match for in Test cricket.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
I don't know why, but it just felt like that.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
And I suspect that Caine he won't want a big
send off in a great big Swan song. He's not
that sort of person.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Well, well, Ravendra first, at the moment, he doesn't adapt
to Test format, does he. He wants to score very
quickly and he tries to do that. It was okay
and in do because the ball doesn't bounce as soon
as you get a bit more bounce than if you
don't actually make contact with the ball at the right time,
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you're normally out in front of yourself a bit too
much and you lose control of the shot it goes
in the air.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
So Ravendra needs to adapt.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
You could see him locked in a battle with himself
in the last innings at Hamilton. He was only three
off about thirty or forty balls and wasn't playing a
shot at all, So he went from one extreme to
the other. When he gets it, and he will get it,
he's a smart man and he's also a very, very
capable player. I agree also with Garth's comment about his fielding.
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Get into the game, Revendra. He should be a gully
or a slip or someone in the covers, left hander,
someone at midwicket, in these key positions. That's where we
want to see him. But at the moment, I'm afraid
he's just not really in the game. When he fields,
he and Conwa they are always patrolling the boundaries. We
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need him in there, caking catchers, making a runout, all
those sorts of things, giving encouragement. That's what I want
to see from him, and so that's a part of
his game.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
I think that he really needs to work on. You know.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Williamson absolutely just terrific player. He's the one who does adapt.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
What about the bowling performance of the year. Matt Henry
is our bowler of the year seven for sixty seven
against Australia and christ Yet the bowling effort against India
when they were dismissed for that total of forty six,
five for fifteen and three for one hundred and two.
And then you can throw in also the bowling of
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Satna and Poune seven for fifty three and six for
one hundred and four. Who was the bowler who provided
you with the best moment?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Gat Oh, Matt Henry.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
I mean, I think it's tough on Centaler because his
performance was wass I mean, but again against India ten
wickets at fifteen for Henry against Australia seventeen at fifteen
and again I come back to the fact that he
did not play in gaul because Tim Saadi was preferred
over him, and that is a selection blunder and for
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me it's a stain on the side and how they do.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
How they've done things.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
For me, I thought his performance at Hagley against Australia,
his seven for sixty seven. That's my pack against against
the fine Australian side, and then followed by by satnus
seven for as well and other a wonderful performance and
very helpful conditions.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Yeah, they were both both good conditions, weren't they that
were describing, particularly the Begoluru won for the Seamas and
the first innings lights on murky cloud, you know, the
pits that has had a little bit of moisture in
it and so on and nipped about, so that they
are ideal conditions for someone like Matt Henry. He is
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so consistent, he is so much at the stumps, always
forcing you to play a stroke, nipping it about. And
he's quick enough that he can sit someone down as well.
He can bowl the odd bounce and doesn't overdo it
by any stretch. And for so long he's been on
the pine, hasn't he sitting there watching games? Now he's
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leading the attack and that's a fantastic journey that he's undergone. There.
Santana is improving all the time, isn't he. Santana is
finding a way now in red ball cricket. He's got
the confidence and to dismiss root, what did you call
him the number one, didn't you Wads? In the Test
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batting he got underneath the bat as he was trying
to sweep, wasn't he He was trying to he was hitting
him around the prior over it might have been the
same over, but he got one underneath his bat, just
past the gloves and it was LBW.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
So he's a.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Cunning bowler and he's improving. His batting is improving, isn't
it as well? I mean he put a lot more
legs legs to tire, didn't he. When they played in
that eccentric way at the start of the third day England,
with all of them posted on the boundary, he said, yep,
I'll just take it off the fourth ball, thank you
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very much, so keep bowling. So I think he's improved
a great deal too. So they're the two for me
in the year.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
An email from Peter I wait heavidly every week for
your podcast, which I listened to while on my exercycle.
God that's hard work. I agree with most of the
comments on Tim Salde's retirement that he's carried on too long. However,
I've been surprised about the insistence that he's just too slow.
The English bowlers are doing a number on us and
mostly bowling around the same speeds as sauveyre taking wickets,
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but he's not. I assume this is the difference between swing,
seam and bounce bowlers comments.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
He's absolutely right.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
I would have thought the bulk of Saudi's deliveries were lower.
To be honest, it was only in Hamilton that we
all noticed how tired and fatigued they had become. And
it may be an issue for England, especially when they
go to Wossie with the harder pictures and the herd
of footholds they've got to smash down onto all the time.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
So I think the bulk.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Of Saudi's deliveries are slower, and I do think as sorry,
I forgot, was it Peter?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Did you say?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah? Peter?
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Yep, yeah. I think Peter's right when he says it's swing.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
The other bowlers, if we're talking about cars and we're
talking about Atkinson and so on, they're not so much
swing bowlers Saudi.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Saudi is really the.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Mainly at swing bowler and doesn't bowl many overs now,
and if you swing the ball at one hundred and
twenty eight you see it coming from his hand, so
you get a good look at the ball as it's
coming down towards you. It takes longer you see the
line of the ball and you've got a choice. I
either hit it, and in Crawley's case, he smashed it
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if he could or missed it. And in others they
hit him, they attacked him as well. So that's the reason.
It's because he's a swing bowler and you see it
earlier from the hand than you do if you're a
seam bowler.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Only. Yeah, I agreed, Jerry, and you watched.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
I thought it was very interesting watching England in the
first innings at the Hagley Oval where they really struggled
to find their length, and you know, they had Wokes,
Cars and Atkinson and they're set. They're predominantly seen bowlers,
and Saldi's a swing bowler. But as soon as they
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got their length, and particularly Wokes in the second innings
and cast bowled a bit shorter, but then would would
would bowl the ones that was pitched up and catching
people on the crease. I just felt that, you know,
the scene movement in our conditions is more challenging for batsmen,
and you know, I thought if Saudi was bowling swing.
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At one hundred and thirty five, for example, or one
hundred and thirty eight or one forty, it's a different
kettle of fish completely, But at one twenty five one
twenty eight, I agree with you. You see it early and
you're allowed to watch. I mean, he beat the bat
on a few occasions in fairness to him, and you know,
I don't think I've seen the bat being beaten more
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times in a series than in this one. It was
a perpetual happening. But I just think England's I think
seem in our conditions was a very useful thing for
England and they exploited it extremely well.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Thanks for that email, Peter on the Front Foot twenty
at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Let's hear from you, Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the
Front Foot.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Following the Test match, the selectors took the opportunity to
name the latest white ball captain, Mitchell satna Is to
be the captain of the White Bull T twenty and
Odie Eyeside. Gary Stead explained the reasoning behind the choice
of Sanna.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
Yeah, lookt Mitch has been a great player for New
Zealand over a long period of time, he's got a
fantastic white ball record.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
And he's done some leadership for.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Us in the past couple of years as well, like
filling in when Cain or Tom or Tim moreover it's
been hasn't been available. So we think he fits the
I guess bill nicely between the older experienced players and
the younger guys coming through. He's got a great rapport
with players. He's very very valued within in our team
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dressing room as well. Our preference was always to have
one guy to do both white ball formats as well,
and we think with Tom Latham going into the Test
captaincy recently and that's a huge job in itself, and
thought separating them was the right way to go. He's calm,
collected out in the middle. He's a guy that often
looks laid back but thinks a lot about the game.
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Is hugely respected with ours and our dressing room as well.
I think he fills that void nicely between experienced players
and guys that are new to the game and has
a good understanding I guess of white bull cricket. He's
played in cricket all around the world, so so you'll
bring a lot of those experiences to the group and
Senator's viewpoint that.
Speaker 10 (33:27):
I'm excited, but I am. It's it's obviously a privilege
to you know, play for your country and obviously to
captain as well as obviously another another one. And yeah,
obviously you know exciting times coming up, you know, looking
forward to the challenge of the captaincy and we've got
a I guess a nice little white ball run now
in the next kind of few months to to really
crack into it. Yeah, I guess it was I didn't
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really think about it so much at the start, and
then you know when you do it and you kind
of get an opportunity to do it, and but I
guess full time is another challenge, and you know, really
really excited for it. You know, like you said, I've
done it a little bit on and off, and I guess,
you know, we did a kind of a way to
Ireland Scotland and really had a nice run and you know,
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it was a different crew, but it was you know,
something you know I cherished and you know going forward
now it's a great opportunity and I'm really looking forward
to it. And I guess kind of putting my spin
on of what's been you know, really kind of successful
the last few years and white ball for us.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And before we go this week some awards. I've determined
the most glove Punches of the Year award goes to
Caine Williamson. Is there any other contenders for that?
Speaker 8 (34:35):
No, But I've seen players starting. I've seen a few
players now they're starting to tap bats. There's a new
trend coming in. Yeah, so I think you know, stick
with your glove punch. But I think this time next
year you might be talking about the most bat taps.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Yeah, I think you might. Down low. They're down low too.
There are different.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
The other one is the running glove punch, which would
be Phillips, Glenn Phillips.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, and you missed the other punch. The shoulder shrug
of the Year award has to be jasperate Boomer, doesn't it.
He's got that twitch and he does it more often
than the other cricket I see.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
I can put up with that.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
He can do what he likes.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Maybe a few umpires occasionally when once they've given a
decision and they just shrugged their shoulders when they have
to change their decision again.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I've got a Tailor's Award and I'm dishing out two
tape measures to the people who make cricket trousers for
Brydon Cass and willow' rourke. Surely they can make them
a little bit longer for them rather than have them
sort of just below the knees.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
Well, you're missing a key a men's fashion trend wads,
which is to show your ankle. I've never understood, but
I think they're fashionably short, is that right?
Speaker 7 (35:54):
I didn't know that i'd noticed that willow' rooks trousers.
I thought he had borrowed Patio Rooks. He's dad weather
in back in the nineties. But they've probably are bell bottoms.
They'd probably go out slightly wider at the bottom.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Their sailor's trousers.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Oh that's right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Ah well, I remember that trend. When I buy on
the next set of jeans, they've got to come three
inches above the ankles.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
Okay, not for your ankles, not good for me.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Like you and me with the shorter leg cone, you
could get away with it.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
No, No, I wouldn't get away with it either. You
want to you don't want to see too much of
the leg from me.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And finally, having had to watch a lot of television
as well over the last few games. How many replays
do you need from every angle on the ground of
Steve Smith? Scoring one hundred is enough until you reach
the S point on your TV?
Speaker 7 (36:53):
I don't know how many do you make? Get one
hundred odds? So why not one for every run? How
many you got?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I think that's how many we saw that you are. Yeah,
he's becoming a bit like Verick Coli. Every fat and
snow he gets on TV when he was in.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Is the is the S for sandpaper?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
No, it's what we used to used to affirm in
radio of if you talk a load of old rubbish
the S point they call they say ship, So be
careful you don't get to the S point.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
That's I'm usually running at that point.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yes, well we've got we've got to go. We've got
to run off to have a quiet little celebratory drink
for Christmas. Wish you guys all the best. Thanks for
what you've done for on the front foot this year
and your knowledge and involvement in keeping the public involved
in the viewpoint from off the park. So have it
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goes Christmas, Jerry.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
If you thanks, thanks once all the business guys, go well,
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
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Speaker 4 (00:35):
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hello, pre Christmas on the front Foot. The Black Cats
save the best to the last, but it's only a
consolation win the World Test Championship and the season's success
has gone lost two to one two England. Why does
it take so long to play the quality cricket they did?
Speaker 5 (01:05):
In three?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
The third Test, Santa wins the top whiteful job and
we've got some on the Front Foot awards to make
from the twelve Test matches. Test match is over, Jerry,
the season's gone. It's not even Christmas and we've got
no more tests for about six months. It's a bit hollow,
isn't it when you say goodbye to Test cricket and
you're only left with short.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Format weird years, isn't it?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Personally?
Speaker 7 (01:30):
I like the stuff after Christmas because better weather and
the pictures are a little bit better, and I think
the whole thing feels much more cricket ye if you like,
rather than prior to Christmas. But I don't know whether
it's just happened this way this season. I hope it's
not going to happen this way in the future.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
All the time, Garth, you'll be having some season greetings,
I'm sure, and celebrating the festive season that a traditionalist
like you would be sad to see the Test season
come to end and we've got to wait for July
to see New Zealand and zim Barbe. As I understand.
Speaker 8 (02:03):
It, it was such an odd feeling, wasn't it, watching
that Third Test in Hamilton and thinking it, you know,
it felt like the season's over. And I know that
we've got white ball cricket, as you've touched on, but
it doesn't feel the same. And I feel like, yeah,
you know, the Christmas has gone come and gone already.
Because I think for all of us cricket lovers, the
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Test crickets and stuff we love, we don't mind having
games before Christmas, but we prefer to have a few
more afterwards as well. So I mean I wonder is
it designed so that it fits in with the World
Test Championship.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (02:35):
It seems it's a bit of a shame. And I
guess what's the other thing in Jerry that occurs to me?
You know, the next Test is six months seven eight
months away in Zimbabwe, and if we'd moved into a
new series into February and March, you know, I think
this side would be forced to make changes, and hopefully
in Zimbabwe they will, but it just feels like it's.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Such a long way away.
Speaker 8 (03:00):
I'm not sure what's going to happen, if that makes sense,
but I hope there's a lot of reflection and a
desire to have us success plan in place, albeit too
late in my view.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Well, Jerry, the interesting thing is that Tim Southy has
had a grand fall well Sadly, Trent Bolt never got
one when he left the Test Match Arena, nor Wagner
he got a press conference in Wellington though I had
a few tears. But we hear murmurings that Test match
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cricket maybe over for Cain Williamson and no confirmation of that.
But those were strong rumors coming out of Hamilton, weren't
they I'm.
Speaker 7 (03:44):
Not about strong, but certainly I did hear them, Brian,
and let's hope that they're not true just yet, because
we saw the way that he played in Hamilton, and
he still adds a hell of a lot to the
New Zealand batting lineup, doesn't he. In fact, if you
looked at the bowlers and perhaps the who are available
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at the moment, Henry and o'rourck's been outstanding this year,
hasn't he, but Sears and Smith to add to those two,
We've suddenly got something of a seam bowling department, haven't we.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
We're bouncing a bit of pace and a wee bit
of swing.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
So it's the batting actually that we've got to start
to think about and look about.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Now.
Speaker 6 (04:28):
If it's Williamson, the king of.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
Our batting, who has been for some time now, thirty
three tests centuries, look, I would hate to think what's
going to happen, to be honest, for a wee while
it's it's, as you've already said, long time before the
next next meal, isn't it the next Test meal?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah? I wonder Garth. With the difference in the Test matches,
we lost the two heavily, and then we beat England
just as heavily. The difference was Williamson scored Harry Brooke
didn't or was it bigger than that? What's the difference
between the two heavy defeats and the one strong win?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Good question was I think?
Speaker 8 (05:09):
I mean the first Test in christ Church and you
know everyone observing will have seen the fielding, and that
really did feel like the difference between the two sides.
New Zealand's fielding was catastrophically bad, really and Brooke was
dropped five times. The first time he was dropped he
was on seventeen. He was then dropped in the forties
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and in the in the eighties, and had that catch,
had that first catch been taken, all the second one,
all the third one, things could have been very different.
So I I saw that as being series defining in
a way. And I think fielding has been an issue
for this side. They've always prided themselves on their catching,
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but I've just felt in the last twelve months or
so that the catching hasn't been as good as it
has been in previous seasons. I mean, the Second Test
was a whitewash, an absolute bath for New Zealand at
the Basin Reserve. You know, New Zealand were very poor.
They batted eighty nine overs and two innings from memory
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and never really got into the game again. You know,
some I think that the selection of Saldi for the
first two tests and all three really was a curiosity,
some real issues with not bringing young in when I
think many of us thought that he should have played
in the first Test. And then I guess in Hamilton,
you know, you don't want to be too unfit in
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New Zealand because they they murdered England.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
But I just felt that England were on the plane home.
Speaker 8 (06:42):
And so you know, it just felt like they were off.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Yes, Brooke failed.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
You know, I thought, for me, possibly the most significant
thing to come out of that match was the absolute
the superb fast bowling of O'Rourke. He was hostile and
Brock faced seven balls in two innings and he got
on both times. O' rourke Brook's number one in the world,
number two, and I thought I Rock had it over
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both of them.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
You know, it was it was a.
Speaker 8 (07:14):
Really exciting to see a New Zealand bowler bowling at
one hundred and fifty k's plus and Brock did not
like it and I think it adds you know, a
very interesting to mention. You know, England are talking about
having the right side for the Ashes. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
M interesting Garth newsflash for you. Rougter's back at number
one and Brookers number two. So Cain Williamson has to
slot in at three in these rankings and they change
every two or three minutes. Jerry Test matches in twenty
four New Zealand played twelve one six lost six in
the World Test Championship. They played fourteen one seven lost seven.
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Mediocre record. Let's give them a mark out of ten.
I've given them five.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Yeah, I think so was five as fair.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
Maybe, well, they scaled the heights beating India, didn't they.
That's clearly the Himalayas of the season, you know, probably
one of our best results ever.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
But then you know, you look at the rest of
South Africa.
Speaker 7 (08:16):
B We lose to Sri Lanka, we lose to Australia,
we lose to England, and we drew with Bangladesh. There's
not really all that exciting, is it. So I think, yeah,
I think between four and five. Really you Seeland won
more tests actually away from home in Asia than they
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did at home, so that's a little bit disappointing really
when you want to protect your home ground, and note
you should know those conditions the best. So really we
did have opportunities, as Garth said, to beat both Australia.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
And England in my mind and one.
Speaker 7 (08:55):
Of the Tests, but we get into positions and matches
and we just don't nail it any longer.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
The match at Hagley.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Garth mentioned the catchers of course, but I mean even
against Australia, we remember dropping Marsh I think early on
that last morning and he was on about twenty and
he went on to.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Make eighty and Australia got through.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
Really and then catchers are going down on the slips
far more often than they should, especially if we have
that bowling attack I just mentioned. I hope they sought
that out. Blundell hasn't had a good season with the
gloves wads and he looks to have lost a lot
of confidence. His batting came back a fairly aggressive innings
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the basin, but it obviously was in a lost cause.
And even during England that we mentioned the catchers, sorry
that Garth was talking about, they.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Kind of played Brook into form for the.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
Basin Reserve where he had a very impressive innings, I thought,
But the first one wasn't and I can't. I can
tell you that Garth and I met Latham on the
outfield it had at Hagley after the match and he
maintained steadfast league that there's nothing wrong with New Zealand's
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catching And it was extraordinary, wasn't it.
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Gars Yeah, And I think you know we saw obviously
Tom you know he then dropped another a sitter in Hamilton.
It was strange and I think the point you make
is the one I wanted to make two Jerry about
the Australian Test. You know, they we said on air
when we went into that last day that New Zealand
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must take their catches. They must and in the first
over it was Revendra dropping Marsh at point and and
you know it was a catch that should have been taken.
It was incredible that that that went down and Revender,
you know, I don't have much confidence in his fielding,
but that that changed the game. And then you saw
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Marsh went on to a carey scored a ninety eight
out and they won the game. And it was that
one moment I know they got Head out on the
same over. But Head wasn't the danger man at that time.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Marsh was and it has cost them a lot.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
And we continue, you know, while the New Zealand and
the England side talk about building for the Ashes. New
Zealand of course have a series coming up against Australia
in a year's time. You got a couple of years
and you know, I'm going to be very interested to
see what side they put out there and how they
build for it, and whether they have the confidence to
think ahead and look to the future and start making
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some tough decisions.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Your mark's out of ten Garth.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
I'm at a five as well.
Speaker 8 (11:42):
Sorry to be consistent with you guys, but I but
you know you have to you have to look at
India and say, no other New Zealand team will be
in India three nil over there. It was an extraordinary achievement,
but I think they let themselves down in the matches
against Australia and England.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Is that enough to win them the Halberg Award for
Team of the Year or do you have to be
more consistent than that across the twelve months.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
For me, you would have to be more consistent. I
don't think that. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (12:11):
I mean again, I suppose you look at a side
that wins a World Cup, I guess that they get
put up for a nomination. Yeah, I mean I find
it slightly confusing if a side plays very well in
one series but not throughout the whole year, they wouldn't
be my nomination.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
No, nor mine was.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
No.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, I mean, we've got to remember that Indian series.
It was outstanding. We can't ignore that. But it's still
a disappointing year in terms of Test matches.
Speaker 8 (12:44):
Can I make one other point, and that is in
relation to the selection and why I think that they
have failed in some respects. Just remember that when you
come to picking our best bowler of the year, I
think we will probably say the same person Jerry and
it's Matt Henry and I look at him. He did
not play in either Test in Tri Lanka, and that's
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because Tim Saudi was and Tim's record over the last
twelve months has been very poor. So for me, another
reason why they're a four point five or five is
they've made a number They've made a number of selection
eras based on favoritism, and my view.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Has Gary Stead done enough to keep us coaching role
or should that go into the marketplace to test those
who are available to do the job.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Look, I can really only comment on the things that
you see. I haven't spent a lot of the time
around the team wads looking at practices, and obviously don't
go to unseen things like meetings and discussions and planning
and practices and.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
All that sort of stuff.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
We can comment, of course on the selections, and we
have done quite recently. He's the head coach in all
three formats, and we all hear about the congested schedules
and too much cricket and that sort of thing. So
it's a bit of a cheap result for the NZCA
to have one person to pay on the payroll, if
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you like. I don't know how much actual coaching he does.
He's got coaches for every other part of the game,
isn't he fielding.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Batting, polling?
Speaker 7 (14:19):
There seem to be others, Yeah, all around with all
the tasks. Look, I think he's a pretty he seems
a pretty solid, faithful, kind of steadfast.
Speaker 6 (14:28):
Devoted guy, you know, and with the.
Speaker 7 (14:31):
Number of cricketers we've got in the New Zealand system,
that might be you know, that provide a source for
him to choose from. They might be the qualities that
allow players to mature a bit better, but some will
feel other things. They will say it couldn't be bad
for a player if you play too long. Look at
Conway at the moment, for example, his struggles recently don't
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appear to be improving. And does he at some point
need to get away from the scrutiny and from the
assessments and the failures and return to a place, you know,
in a system where you know he's got time to reduce,
juvenate and you get some confidence. It just seems to
me the current coaching staff there don't have any answers
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to the problems. And some will also feel that, you know,
he's turned an international sports side, which is sort of
gas thing I think, into a men's club that you know,
once you're a member, irrespective of how you perform, you're
not dismissed. There's no effect at all, there's no consequence.
And so players you know, have become perhaps have they
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or some players a bit too influential and what goes on,
I don't know. Look at that T twenty World Cup,
not going there beforehand, all clearing off, you know, and
to do other things after. I mean, I just I just,
you know, find that he's perhaps a bit strict with
the limit of caution that he has. Well, look, everyone
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likes to pick teams, don't they. We do in the
teams to represent your country. We pour over stats and
we have a look at the players. We you know,
we developed favorites and you know, and all we see
the same players year after year. I don't forget our
eighteen beat Australia a last year twice and tests over
in Australia, so you know, rat was part of that.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Some of those players haven't come to the forefront.
Speaker 8 (16:26):
Yeah, I mean, I think I endorsed what Jerry says
about Gary Stead. I think he's you know, he's a
he's a fine person, I think, with a good heart,
who wants the best. But he is, in my view,
crippled by conservatism. And that's you know, in the country
of New Zealand size. I always feel that when we're
at our best, it's when we you know, it must
(16:49):
involve a little bit of risk taking from time to time,
and I just don't see it. And so and the
greatest example of it for me is persisting with Conway
for as long as they have, and the and the
continued selection with Tim Soudy. They were prepared to have
a very hard conversation with Neil Wagner and it clearly
came as a surprised to Wagner. They weren't consistent with
(17:11):
Salvi and you know, I just feel that that for me,
Damn's the coaching and selection crew and I want to
see a more ambitious group. I think when you look
at Steed's record since twenty twenty one, you first see
that he came in on the quest of a wave
in twenty eighteen. They went they won the World Test
(17:34):
Final in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Which was a fabulous achievement.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
But since then, if we're looking at Test cricket, I
think the reck that the returns of this site have
been very modest and again they've been too content for
my view to stick with the same and I don't
think there's enough hunger for places in the team.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
It's not competitive enough.
Speaker 7 (17:55):
The other thing was is you know, six years in
a job for stead now and I think that represents
a period of time to discover the job and what
it means and what do you do and what things
you want to change and what for what of a
better word?
Speaker 6 (18:10):
To develop a culture?
Speaker 7 (18:11):
You know how hard you train, the routines of the team,
the selection policies, the dealing with problems, but after that,
you know it's kind of time to move on.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Give someone else a crack.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
And I feel, I mean Gary if he wants to,
because the results have been internationally okay, but apart from
since Garth, as he said, they were sixth last year
in the World Test Champions they're currently fourth. But you know,
I just think Gary should if he wants to have
a go again and apply.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
That's fine.
Speaker 7 (18:45):
Maybe he wants time with the family, He's earned that right,
But there are other candidates who should also have a
crack and at the coaching now, whether that's Shane Jurgenson
who's currently at Wellington he won the Plunket Shield last year,
whether it's Peter Fulton. We've lost Rob Walter who's now
gone to coach South Africa. He was here at CD.
(19:08):
We've lost Heinrich Milan up in Auckland, he's gone to Ireland.
Grant Bad Bruins around and at Glamorgan. At the moment
there are coaches around and maybe we can co op
a few can't we is that a possibility. Couldn't we
co op? Couldn't we co op the fleming? Couldn't we
co up the bond?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
They may have to reflect on doing something like that
because we're starting a new World Test Championship we assume
in the middle of the year, and they've got time
to put that to the forefront of their thinking. It
may well be that they want white ball coaches and
red ball coaches. That's something that they can probably reflect on.
(19:50):
Garth has given us his bowler of the Year. I
can't argue with that. Matt Henry forty eight wickets at
eighteen quite clearly the star performer and he was getting
help in the end by the best up and coming player,
and you've talked about that Will O'Rourke. Hard to see
(20:10):
past them as the leaders of our attack in the future.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Oh, definitely, definitely. If we're going to continue to have
seam based pictures, green pictures, those two are going to
be crackers and maybe if we can keep people fit,
there'll be others to join them. I thought it was
you know, it was a difficult choice, for example, to
leave Smith out. I think he's shown even in the
(20:35):
short two you know spaces. Of the two matches he played,
he showed enough to all of us, I think, who
have watched cricket for a long time to say, we
like your bowling.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
We like the way you say yes year.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
But he hit around a bit and you will leave
it full and a'll weave it short at times. But
the pace we like, the energy, we like, the effort,
we like, the fielding we love. He's really starting to
show some of the others up the way he moves
around that park in the circle. And he's also seeming
(21:08):
to be useful with the bat. And he's going to Surrey's.
They'll teach him more. They're a very strong club, they've
won the last three championships and they'll teach him stuff
as well. So he's going to be a very useful
addition at number eight or nine in the order as well.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, there can be no argument with the batsmen of
the year, and I guess the player of the year
test wise Caine Williamson one thousand and thirteen runs in
the year four centuries, four fifties. He was the man
we missed the most whenever he wasn't available. Thankfully, through
the year he was available and we talked earlier about
(21:46):
the possibility of not having him in the future. Who knows,
We'd have to wait and see. But he's the class
performer in this side, and he led the way with
the Batsman when others who we were expecting to contribute
the likes of Lathan, the likes of Conway, weren't able
to do so. Only three players averaged above forty in
(22:08):
the Test matches, Williamson, Revendra and Young and I guess
that's not really where we want to bet.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
No.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
And Revendra's stats were boosted or bolstered.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
By a you know, a double century against South Africa
at the at.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
The bay Oval.
Speaker 8 (22:27):
I mean it was a very fine innings, but it
was an innings against a very ordinary attack.
Speaker 9 (22:32):
You know.
Speaker 8 (22:32):
I think if I look at my innings of the season,
I think probably you know, for all that can did
and he was magnificent.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
I think Revendra's you know, one hundred and thirty four
at BEng LaRue.
Speaker 8 (22:45):
Against India in that first Test when they bowled India
out for forty six and New Zealand, you know that
that was a critical innings and his partnership with Conway,
I just thought that was for me the batting highlight
of the year on an individual basis. But having said
that and having watched him through the England series and
(23:05):
getting himself out six times in a row, he's got
an awful lot to do. He had a very good
series against India. But I think watching him, I'm still
not convinced that he's the number four. And just to
turn to Williamson, well, another incredible year by an amazing player.
(23:26):
I have to say I had this sinking feeling in
Hamilton that this might be it for him.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
In the white clothing game. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
It's it's that gut instinct, but I felt that I
was watching, you know, possibly Williamson playing in his last
match for in Test cricket.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
I don't know why, but it just felt like that.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
And I suspect that Caine he won't want a big
send off in a great big Swan song. He's not
that sort of person.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:54):
Well, well, Ravendra first, at the moment, he doesn't adapt
to Test format, does he. He wants to score very
quickly and he tries to do that. It was okay
and in do because the ball doesn't bounce as soon
as you get a bit more bounce than if you
don't actually make contact with the ball at the right time,
(24:16):
you're normally out in front of yourself a bit too
much and you lose control of the shot it goes
in the air.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
So Ravendra needs to adapt.
Speaker 7 (24:24):
You could see him locked in a battle with himself
in the last innings at Hamilton. He was only three
off about thirty or forty balls and wasn't playing a
shot at all, So he went from one extreme to
the other. When he gets it, and he will get it,
he's a smart man and he's also a very, very
capable player. I agree also with Garth's comment about his fielding.
(24:47):
Get into the game, Revendra. He should be a gully
or a slip or someone in the covers, left hander,
someone at midwicket, in these key positions. That's where we
want to see him. But at the moment, I'm afraid
he's just not really in the game. When he fields,
he and Conwa they are always patrolling the boundaries. We
(25:11):
need him in there, caking catchers, making a runout, all
those sorts of things, giving encouragement. That's what I want
to see from him, and so that's a part of
his game.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
I think that he really needs to work on. You know.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Williamson absolutely just terrific player. He's the one who does adapt.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
What about the bowling performance of the year. Matt Henry
is our bowler of the year seven for sixty seven
against Australia and christ Yet the bowling effort against India
when they were dismissed for that total of forty six,
five for fifteen and three for one hundred and two.
And then you can throw in also the bowling of
(25:53):
Satna and Poune seven for fifty three and six for
one hundred and four. Who was the bowler who provided
you with the best moment?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Gat Oh, Matt Henry.
Speaker 8 (26:03):
I mean, I think it's tough on Centaler because his
performance was wass I mean, but again against India ten
wickets at fifteen for Henry against Australia seventeen at fifteen
and again I come back to the fact that he
did not play in gaul because Tim Saadi was preferred
over him, and that is a selection blunder and for
(26:26):
me it's a stain on the side and how they do.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
How they've done things.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
For me, I thought his performance at Hagley against Australia,
his seven for sixty seven. That's my pack against against
the fine Australian side, and then followed by by satnus
seven for as well and other a wonderful performance and
very helpful conditions.
Speaker 7 (26:49):
Yeah, they were both both good conditions, weren't they that
were describing, particularly the Begoluru won for the Seamas and
the first innings lights on murky cloud, you know, the
pits that has had a little bit of moisture in
it and so on and nipped about, so that they
are ideal conditions for someone like Matt Henry. He is
(27:10):
so consistent, he is so much at the stumps, always
forcing you to play a stroke, nipping it about. And
he's quick enough that he can sit someone down as well.
He can bowl the odd bounce and doesn't overdo it
by any stretch. And for so long he's been on
the pine, hasn't he sitting there watching games? Now he's
(27:33):
leading the attack and that's a fantastic journey that he's undergone. There.
Santana is improving all the time, isn't he. Santana is
finding a way now in red ball cricket. He's got
the confidence and to dismiss root, what did you call
him the number one, didn't you Wads? In the Test
(27:54):
batting he got underneath the bat as he was trying
to sweep, wasn't he He was trying to he was hitting
him around the prior over it might have been the
same over, but he got one underneath his bat, just
past the gloves and it was LBW.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
So he's a.
Speaker 7 (28:08):
Cunning bowler and he's improving. His batting is improving, isn't
it as well? I mean he put a lot more
legs legs to tire, didn't he. When they played in
that eccentric way at the start of the third day England,
with all of them posted on the boundary, he said, yep,
I'll just take it off the fourth ball, thank you
(28:29):
very much, so keep bowling. So I think he's improved
a great deal too. So they're the two for me
in the year.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
An email from Peter I wait heavidly every week for
your podcast, which I listened to while on my exercycle.
God that's hard work. I agree with most of the
comments on Tim Salde's retirement that he's carried on too long. However,
I've been surprised about the insistence that he's just too slow.
The English bowlers are doing a number on us and
mostly bowling around the same speeds as sauveyre taking wickets,
(29:00):
but he's not. I assume this is the difference between swing,
seam and bounce bowlers comments.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
He's absolutely right.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
I would have thought the bulk of Saudi's deliveries were lower.
To be honest, it was only in Hamilton that we
all noticed how tired and fatigued they had become. And
it may be an issue for England, especially when they
go to Wossie with the harder pictures and the herd
of footholds they've got to smash down onto all the time.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
So I think the bulk.
Speaker 7 (29:29):
Of Saudi's deliveries are slower, and I do think as sorry,
I forgot, was it Peter?
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Did you say?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah? Peter?
Speaker 6 (29:37):
Yep, yeah. I think Peter's right when he says it's swing.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
The other bowlers, if we're talking about cars and we're
talking about Atkinson and so on, they're not so much
swing bowlers Saudi.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Saudi is really the.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Mainly at swing bowler and doesn't bowl many overs now,
and if you swing the ball at one hundred and
twenty eight you see it coming from his hand, so
you get a good look at the ball as it's
coming down towards you. It takes longer you see the
line of the ball and you've got a choice. I
either hit it, and in Crawley's case, he smashed it
(30:14):
if he could or missed it. And in others they
hit him, they attacked him as well. So that's the reason.
It's because he's a swing bowler and you see it
earlier from the hand than you do if you're a
seam bowler.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Only. Yeah, I agreed, Jerry, and you watched.
Speaker 8 (30:31):
I thought it was very interesting watching England in the
first innings at the Hagley Oval where they really struggled
to find their length, and you know, they had Wokes,
Cars and Atkinson and they're set. They're predominantly seen bowlers,
and Saldi's a swing bowler. But as soon as they
(30:51):
got their length, and particularly Wokes in the second innings
and cast bowled a bit shorter, but then would would
would bowl the ones that was pitched up and catching
people on the crease. I just felt that, you know,
the scene movement in our conditions is more challenging for batsmen,
and you know, I thought if Saudi was bowling swing.
(31:11):
At one hundred and thirty five, for example, or one
hundred and thirty eight or one forty, it's a different
kettle of fish completely, But at one twenty five one
twenty eight, I agree with you. You see it early and
you're allowed to watch. I mean, he beat the bat
on a few occasions in fairness to him, and you know,
I don't think I've seen the bat being beaten more
(31:33):
times in a series than in this one. It was
a perpetual happening. But I just think England's I think
seem in our conditions was a very useful thing for
England and they exploited it extremely well.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Thanks for that email, Peter on the Front Foot twenty
at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Let's hear from you, Brian Waddle, Jeremy Coney on the
Front Foot.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Following the Test match, the selectors took the opportunity to
name the latest white ball captain, Mitchell satna Is to
be the captain of the White Bull T twenty and
Odie Eyeside. Gary Stead explained the reasoning behind the choice
of Sanna.
Speaker 9 (32:18):
Yeah, lookt Mitch has been a great player for New
Zealand over a long period of time, he's got a
fantastic white ball record.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
And he's done some leadership for.
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Us in the past couple of years as well, like
filling in when Cain or Tom or Tim moreover it's
been hasn't been available. So we think he fits the
I guess bill nicely between the older experienced players and
the younger guys coming through. He's got a great rapport
with players. He's very very valued within in our team
(32:46):
dressing room as well. Our preference was always to have
one guy to do both white ball formats as well,
and we think with Tom Latham going into the Test
captaincy recently and that's a huge job in itself, and
thought separating them was the right way to go. He's calm,
collected out in the middle. He's a guy that often
looks laid back but thinks a lot about the game.
(33:08):
Is hugely respected with ours and our dressing room as well.
I think he fills that void nicely between experienced players
and guys that are new to the game and has
a good understanding I guess of white bull cricket. He's
played in cricket all around the world, so so you'll
bring a lot of those experiences to the group and
Senator's viewpoint that.
Speaker 10 (33:27):
I'm excited, but I am. It's it's obviously a privilege
to you know, play for your country and obviously to
captain as well as obviously another another one. And yeah,
obviously you know exciting times coming up, you know, looking
forward to the challenge of the captaincy and we've got
a I guess a nice little white ball run now
in the next kind of few months to to really
crack into it. Yeah, I guess it was I didn't
(33:47):
really think about it so much at the start, and
then you know when you do it and you kind
of get an opportunity to do it, and but I
guess full time is another challenge, and you know, really
really excited for it. You know, like you said, I've
done it a little bit on and off, and I guess,
you know, we did a kind of a way to
Ireland Scotland and really had a nice run and you know,
(34:08):
it was a different crew, but it was you know,
something you know I cherished and you know going forward
now it's a great opportunity and I'm really looking forward
to it. And I guess kind of putting my spin
on of what's been you know, really kind of successful
the last few years and white ball for us.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
And before we go this week some awards. I've determined
the most glove Punches of the Year award goes to
Caine Williamson. Is there any other contenders for that?
Speaker 8 (34:35):
No, But I've seen players starting. I've seen a few
players now they're starting to tap bats. There's a new
trend coming in. Yeah, so I think you know, stick
with your glove punch. But I think this time next
year you might be talking about the most bat taps.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Yeah, I think you might. Down low. They're down low too.
There are different.
Speaker 7 (34:54):
The other one is the running glove punch, which would
be Phillips, Glenn Phillips.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Yeah, and you missed the other punch. The shoulder shrug
of the Year award has to be jasperate Boomer, doesn't it.
He's got that twitch and he does it more often
than the other cricket I see.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
I can put up with that.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
He can do what he likes.
Speaker 7 (35:17):
Maybe a few umpires occasionally when once they've given a
decision and they just shrugged their shoulders when they have
to change their decision again.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I've got a Tailor's Award and I'm dishing out two
tape measures to the people who make cricket trousers for
Brydon Cass and willow' rourke. Surely they can make them
a little bit longer for them rather than have them
sort of just below the knees.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
Well, you're missing a key a men's fashion trend wads,
which is to show your ankle. I've never understood, but
I think they're fashionably short, is that right?
Speaker 7 (35:54):
I didn't know that i'd noticed that willow' rooks trousers.
I thought he had borrowed Patio Rooks. He's dad weather
in back in the nineties. But they've probably are bell bottoms.
They'd probably go out slightly wider at the bottom.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Their sailor's trousers.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Oh that's right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Ah well, I remember that trend. When I buy on
the next set of jeans, they've got to come three
inches above the ankles.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
Okay, not for your ankles, not good for me.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Like you and me with the shorter leg cone, you
could get away with it.
Speaker 6 (36:28):
No, No, I wouldn't get away with it either. You
want to you don't want to see too much of
the leg from me.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
And finally, having had to watch a lot of television
as well over the last few games. How many replays
do you need from every angle on the ground of
Steve Smith? Scoring one hundred is enough until you reach
the S point on your TV?
Speaker 7 (36:53):
I don't know how many do you make? Get one
hundred odds? So why not one for every run? How
many you got?
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I think that's how many we saw that you are. Yeah,
he's becoming a bit like Verick Coli. Every fat and
snow he gets on TV when he was in.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
Is the is the S for sandpaper?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
No, it's what we used to used to affirm in
radio of if you talk a load of old rubbish
the S point they call they say ship, So be
careful you don't get to the S point.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
That's I'm usually running at that point.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Yes, well we've got we've got to go. We've got
to run off to have a quiet little celebratory drink
for Christmas. Wish you guys all the best. Thanks for
what you've done for on the front foot this year
and your knowledge and involvement in keeping the public involved
in the viewpoint from off the park. So have it
(37:54):
goes Christmas, Jerry.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
If you thanks, thanks once all the business guys, go well,
guard Chasm
Speaker 1 (38:08):
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