April 9, 2025 • 37 mins
This week on On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney were joined by Garth Gallaway as they salute the winners of the NZC Awards.
They also acknowledge the six year tenure of Black Caps Coach Gary Stead, and pay tribute to the Plunket Shield winners.
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Hello on the front foot. At the end of another
cricket season. Boy, it's been up as the old week
Queen Sweet Baver Pakistan for well. International Development Squad Northern
District's on the punket shield with a commanding final round victory.
And was it a fitting farewell for Neil Wagner from
our domestic game? Is the universal support of the proposed
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changes in the international game? Dead's job is up for decision?
Does that open up the Wichael job for Rob Walter
and the big one who won the awards? Well, we're
going to let you know you probably do know everybody
would have picked the winner of the women's awards, Jeremy.
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Even Donald Trump would have picked this one, wouldn't he.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Ah, Yes, I think Maddy Green really deserved it.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, Well, that shows you're in the Trump camp.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah Meelee Kerr Medi Kurt had to be surely.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Without a doubt, without a doubt. And the Men's Award, well,
there were some contenders for that one, and Garth Galloway's
with us. He's been watching through the domestic cricket and
also the international cricket throughout the summer, and that was
probably just as easy to select too, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think so. I think so. I think that I'm
not in painting of Jerry's silly games. I think Matt
Henry had a great season. You know, they missed him
when he was out of the Champions Trophy in the final,
didn't they. I think they. You know, his presence as
a bowl with Whitepool Cricket, Henry Bull, he's been superb,
in a class of his own.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I think yes, indeed, Jerry. The interesting thing was he
only played five of the eight Tests that New Zealand played,
not a lot of Tests nowadays, but he took twenty
five wickets in that and twenty four in the short
form game. Boys. He's taken over control of the seam
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attack with some good players to support him.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Now he has and he's different from the others, and
that's the impressive thing I think about this developing attack
that New Zealand have. Henry obviously is the leader. He
opens the bowling generally, whether it's and particularly in the
ode eyes he bowls at the you know, in the
power play and then death as well and through the
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middle in tests of course, you know he's he's the
most consistent of our bowlers and the roles that he've
his economy rate. You've mentioned the wickets that he gets
and it kind of says pick me, doesn't it. He's
taken some good catches as well. I think of that
patch he took down at fine leg in the first
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the first Test match in India, running some distance and
diving and taking a low catch at fine leg after
just finishing it over. So he's an all round player.
His batting hasn't hasn't really developed any further. I'd like
to see him showing us he can actually hold a bat.
But certainly from the bowling point of view, it stands
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out his figures. I will agree with you about O'Rourke.
I thought he was must He's pushed Henry and that's
a terrific effort. I think in the Test matches in particularly,
I think he played all a didn't he the one
the one he didn't play and no one played that
great Annoider, which was just a disaster. But he's been
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very good. The way he came back in that same
match I've just been talking about at Bangalore. Wow, he
knocked that middle order of Indian middle order around in
the second andings when they got about four hundred and
seventy and we're coming back into the Test, pace and
bounce and straight and removed about two or three of
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those difficult middle order players that they were starting to
get away on New Zealand. He's been good.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
In that England series when when Brockets scored one hundred
and seventy one and one hundred and twenty three in
christ Church and then in Wellington. You know, you remember
in the third Test he had brock hopping around and
broke who was, you know, number one in the world rankings.
I thought he was. He really struggled against pace and
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bounce in Hamilton. It was terrific to see.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Didn't he do that too to Risband as well in
the recent series. He hit him about three or four
times and he just kept out. You know, I mean,
it was the sign of a fast bowler, and he
certainly joined Henry in terms of leading New Zealand's attack.
But there's a couple of others as well, And we
can look back at Sears, who was late to come
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into the game this summer. But Gartha the man who's
really stolen the thunder. Who is Jacob Duffy number one
T twenty bowler in the world. He didn't play Test cricket,
but boy twenty two T twenty wickets in the season.
I mean he had to be a close contender without
even playing Test matches.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, look, I agree. I suppose you're looking at the
at the all round contribution, aren't you. It's quite a
hard thing to judge, isn't it When and the players
who play in all forms of the game have got
a bit of chance of winning the best best dress
I suppose. But I think, well, yeah, I remember talking
to Jerry when Duffy was bowling because he didn't play
in christ Church against England. Of course, in the Test
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match here and I can remember Jerry and I watching
him in the warmups and thinking, gee, you know, he
does look really good and he's getting the ball through.
We talked about how he seemed to be bowling at
you know this phrase, the heavy ball quicker than you
think moving it away from the right hand is a
bit like Henry.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I felt that one of the indictments of the side
throughout the season was the Saldi Benefit series of three matches,
and really I think Duffy should have played in those
Test matches and I don't think he would have let
New Zealand down. His twenty twenty four superb. His fifty
over form very good and I think and I hope
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he will play more Test cricket. He's a bit like
Matt Henry a and what he does with the ball,
but b in terms of the fact that he's had
to wait his time and he's having to wait for
too long I think. But you know, I'm sure he
will get opportunities and if he's as resilient as Henry,
he could still have a part to play in the
Test team.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
He's off to Warwickshire, which will be an interesting, you know,
thing to watch because that's a pretty flat track and
he's going to have to swing the ball early over
there in England and then and bounce the ball while
it's still hard and then resort to good number three
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kind of Test bowling, and that will be very useful
for him. I think I agree with his pace. I
think he moves the ball in the air more than
Henry does. But he also troubles people people with bounce
and you can hear him grunting, can't you, With the
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effort that he's putting into his bowling on delivery. I
think he's been a great addition again, and those three Duffy, O'Rourke,
Sears coming in to assist Henry. It's starting and it
hasn't taken long, has it for them to make their mark,
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all three of them really. I mean Sears got a
couple of fifers at the end of the games against Pakistan.
Duffy's been doing it in the formats that he's playing
right throughout, and we've already spoken about Henry. So we
are certainly getting some good players I think that we
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can use in Test matches as well. And maybe because
if we look ahead whoever's going to be the coach
and the Test format, maybe against Zimbabwe where we play
I think two Tests and then three at home here
against the West Indies, maybe there's an opportunity there to
use some of those youngsters a bit more. I know
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people don't think of O'Rourke, you know, so much, and
Duffy well, well he's older of course, but he's still
a rookie in terms of, you know, Test match play,
and so as Sears. So all of them really are
just really starting the Test format and they are going
to be very worthwhile. I think, quite it's quite it's
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quite a good feeling to have those three most definitely.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And the interesting thing about all this Garth is that
every time we do this chat, we're talking batsman, aren't we,
But this year it's bowlers we're celebrating. You know, Cain
Williamson five hundred runs in the Test series at fifty three,
a Rattan Ravender five thirty eight at thirty five, Mitchell
got four hundred and fifty, Lathan four hundred and sixteen.
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But to have bowlers in the dominance I think is
encouraging for that future, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I agree that. And there's two we haven't mentioned, and
one as Kyle Jamison coming back into the wait ball
cricket and I thought looked really impressive at times. And
the other player who's had a leading role in news
in the scene has been Mitchell Satiner, and you know,
I think his captaincy has been very good. He's relaxed,
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he's calm, he seems to have the confidence of the team.
I think he's bowling in the fifty over game and
T twenty has been as exceptional as it always been
his world class and of course you know he picked
up seven wickets in that Test against England at Hamilton
three and a four. And I suppose you know, although
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we've said many times I have, you know, I don't
think he's a Test match spinner. He has made some
changes and he was a whole lot more effective in
that form of the game. And of course we know
what he did against India. So yeah, it's lovely to
be talking about bowling. I would love also wads to
be talking about the other spin bowlers who are emerging
on the first class scene and coming through. I don't
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see them. That might be our gap.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well. The interesting thing Jerry in that regard is the
captaincy of Michael Bracewell too in the series against Pakistan
and his bowling. He was right up there in terms
of the leadership role that the New Zealand side needs
and he's made every post winner. He led the side
to Pakistan, didn't he in that series that they played
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over there, and then took over from Santna in this
series at home against Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And he's captain Wellington, hasn't he. Brian you'd probably know
that as well. So he's certainly emerging and I'm sure
that's where Santana has helped him a great deal as well.
I think he actually said I love the way that
Mitchell Santner led the team and the champions trophy. But
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he's a big turner of the ball. He can have
beat the ball as well. He's known as the beast,
isn't he, and really in a terrific accurate catcher. So
he adds all three skills I think to this New
Zealand side. He's a very useful member indeed, and he
was able to use his faster bowl as I think
against Pakistan, who looked a little bit suspect, didn't they
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against the pace and the bounce of the New Zealanders
in April with the pictures that were bouncing a little
bit and where I mean Nate had run the game
the day before, and I think also at Hamilton. Even
though New Zealand were bowling second in those matches, they
still worried the Pakistan top order. So and he used them,
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I thought, very judiciously, you know, didn't overbowl them, bowld
them of a couple extra when he felt they were
causing problems. Wasn't afraid to do that. And so he
didn't you didn't go out with a sort of a
plan that he was stuck rigorously too. He just worked
with what he knew he had and so and I
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think that's the way to play the ODI in the
shorter format.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, most definitely some players that we please to be
able to celebrate and of course, even though there's limited
Test match opportunities coming up, we will get that opportunity
later in this year against Simbabwe and the West Indies.
Just a quick word about the ODI series and the
development of young players. Mariu Mohammed Abas came into the side,
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the slow development of Nathan Smith. I think he's still
got a fair way to go, but you know, it's
good to see some of those young players getting that
opportunity and taking it against the Pakistan side that was
slightly better than their T twenty team, but still struggling
in New Zealand conditions, but you know, we see these
young players. That's the youth we're looking to try and develop. Gath.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I agree, and I think Pakistan they fled it
to de Seed, didn't they. They? But I think you're right,
and I think it pushes as people who watch a
lot of the game and are involved and broadcasting or
writing on it or whatever. Definitely creates a new energy
for everybody. Having these players coming in. I think if
I have a criticism of the New Zealand side in
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recent years, I just think they've been too conservative and
people's you know, one of their strengths has been an
ongoing selections, but it's also been a weakness. And I
think what we're seeing is that there are younger players
who come and they do not seem to have the
fear that some players used to have. They play with
a very free spirit and an open mind. I hope
that Marius picked to go to Zimbabwe. He had a
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very good first class season. I thought that a Bas's
performances were very interesting, again against an indifferent side, but
you couldn't ask for a whole lot more from him.
And I thought, you know, his left arm swing bowling
is an interesting addition as well, and that might be
useful for New Zealand in the future. I agree with
you on Smith. I don't have a whole lot of
confidence in Smith's bowling in white ball cricket. I think,
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you know, he looked every bit the athlete in the
Test series against England. At times he was a bit expensive,
but I think he's a player who will be and
he'll be there or thereabouts. But some of the other
players coming through I think we're talking, you know, there's
some real excitement around them. Like Jeremy said, when they
go to Zimbabwe, please use that as an opportunity to
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blood a few players. I know everyone wants to play
in the easy tests, probably, but we haven't done that
well in the past and now is an opportunity to
do it.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah. Look, I think it's also clearly the younger players
played a key role, and I'm including you know, Raurc
and Sears and Duffy in those as younger players and
Abas you've mentioned a quick fifty at Napier and then
a forty holding the middle together in game two in Hamilton,
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Duffy and o'rack and Seas we've spoken about in the
bounce that they can get the pace. They've got Hay
behind the stumps, Pid he got a ninety nine in
the second game. And even Chapman he's a developing number
three now and he's also a finisher, which is what
he's been in the past. Smith, he's a thought a
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shorter man than the Duffy O'Rourke sears, so he's got
to find a link that he can bowl a little better.
He got a four for in game one. He's good
in the part. Needs to improve his batting and learn
how long just those late overs are, so between forty
five and forty eight, you know, those that kind of
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period in a one day match. And let's not forget
our one day format. It's by far the New Zealander's
best format if you look at the past, the most
consistent with eight semi finals and two finals we haven't
and then a couple of winning the champions Trophy as
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well as on. So it's our best format. And these players,
I think these younger players are showing that they can
continue legacy quite nicely. Smith. There Kelly got a twenty
and a thirty, so I just feel it was you know,
promising signs, not definitive, but that the new generation they
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perhaps can continue to do things that we've seen in
the past. So yeah, I think it's also a pat
on the back and the plunket shield that you know,
this is a competition right at the heart of New
Zealand cricket. Up until then, players play club cricket, they
play in underage seventeen and nineteen, they play a bit
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of Hawked Cup maybe if they're young, and they might
even play some development sides. But once you get into
that provincial side and there are runs and wickets and performances,
counts counts and it's watched and so I think it's
from those that competition that we get our New Zealand
A and development sides and the New Zealand side beckons.
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So we rely on it to be a nursery for
this higher representation. And I just think that we've got
in that little series we had against Pakistan, we've seen
we've got bowlers, we've got batsman, we've got an all
rounder in our bass, we've got a keeper and so
you know, I think you just put a week couple
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of pets on the back. I think for the work
that's going on there.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Most definitely, and they've been key contributors in that form
of the game. There's a whole list of awards. I
won't read them all out, but one I'm sure you
guys will probably appreciate and I think it's a worthy
one is the winner of this year's Bert Suckliffe Medal
for Outstanding Services to Cricket and it goes to Francis Payne.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
You agree, Fantasy, Yeah, absolutely, Francis has been incredible. What
a it's quite an inspirational you know, people think outside
the where with our people who won that award, and
of course it's named after the great man Bert Zackliffe. Yeah,
I think that's very special. Francis has been an incredible
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statistician over a prolonged period of time. He's also, of
course been heavily involved in the US in Cricket Almanac
since time I memorial, a fantastic book which you know
has so much information in it and prior of course
to the Internet, it was a treasure trove for all
of us. So yeah, I think that's great and it
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recognizes that people with all interests in the game can
be so valuable. Well done.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
What a good choice. I didn't know that had been
made once. And I'm delighted for Francis. He's over lives
in Australia now. He always comes in to see me
when I happened to move through Australia and have a
chair and have a beer. He kind of doesn't drink beer.
He eats it. He's just a lovely man and talks
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at great lengths about the game, and particularly about how
the game began and some of our great former players
and going back into the early you know ages, and
I love all that stuff and the little stories that
he tells you about them and so on. He put
a hell of a lot into the game when we
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were on radio sports wads, didn't he and Gard and
then of course he went to the TV and he
helped them as well and sort of shape them slightly
to say look out for this today and look out
for that, and just it just points the commentary in
certain positions and in certain directions. So I'm delighted with that.
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I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, it's great and an honor world deserved for the
work that he's done. And of course the other man
who does a lot of hard work round the statistical
stuff as Ian Smith from Wellington, and I'm sure he
has been honored in his own way. He certainly has
been in Wellington in terms of his contribution. The other
big story of well the week, Gary Steed's going to
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decide in the next few weeks if he wants to
apply for the role of Test coach. He's confirmed his
decision to step away from the white ball formats well
arguably the most successful coach he's been there since twenty eighteen.
And at the same time as he stepped aside, a
fellow by the name of Rob Walter has given up
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his contract as the South African coach for the ODI
competition and is a free agent. Having worked here, having
taken the New Zealand to a side, it seems a
shewing that he's in line for that role. I heard
John Bracewell on radio say we don't need to go overseas,
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but is Rob walteron necessary overseas? He's worked in New Zealand.
You'll know him Garth through Otago, he moved into Central districts.
I think his family is still here in New Zealand,
but it almost seems as though it's been written for him.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, it does, and I hope that he does get involved.
I think he's a good coach. I think he has
the confidence of the players. Like you, it doesn't seem
to be it won't be a big surprise if he
is picked to take over the white ball teams. I
quite I like the idea that they're going to split
it up. You'll remember that Gary Stead said a couple
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of seasons ago that he felt that the time was
right for it to be split, and he was promptly
reappointed to do all forms of the game. It's interesting
though that Gary and look if we reflect on his performances,
and I know from time to time a lot of
people have been critical. I think when you look at
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his record though from two thousand and eighteen, as you say,
was won the Test Championship in twenty twenty one, you
know a lot of people have said, including me at times,
that he came in on the coattails of Hessen and
McCullum and had a good ride. But I think it
would be uncharitable and quite incorrect to maintain that. That
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can certain me account for some initial success, but being
able to prolong it in the way that he has
means that he must deserve a fair chunk of credit,
I think, you know, but for the three Test series
win in India, the miracle, you know, I think he
would be struggling a little to be holding his hand
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up for the Test job, and I think that might
have just saved his consideration. I felt that he's done.
He's done much better really in the white ball form
of the game than he has around the Test team
in the last few years. I've felt that the Test
teams since twenty twenty one, we've had some pretty and
different performances. Really. I just think his performances, particularly in
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the major tournaments and so on, have been fantastic with
the white ball stuff, but it remains to be seen.
I don't think anyone could begrudge it if he was
given another period with the Test team. However, you know,
I think his strength really during his time has mainly
been with the white ball stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah. It's an interesting one, isn't it. I guess. I
guess it would be no surprise from what you two
have been saying. If Stead took the Test side and
Rob Walter the white ball formats, that wouldn't surprise anybody
and they would say, yeah, that works nicely stead. I
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guess he's as we look back, he's grown into the position.
I think that's probably fair to say, rather than trying
to drive the side as a coach, he's kind of
slowly pulled back, hasn't he. And he's got other coaches
around him, and maybe he does the overall planning. None
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of us quite know exactly what he does day to
day and how he prepares for a new tour and
so on and sets the policies. Perhaps he's very much
stuck with players once he's they've been selected, and that's
earned the ire of some people. I think you'd say
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most people would regard his achievements as being better than
others in the past. I personally think he did inherit
a good side. Seven of them, Lathan Williamson, Taylor to
grand On, Saudi, Wagner, Bolt, you know they're not that
that's not a bad, you know, number to get to
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start with, but that and he's kept most of them,
hasn't he for a long time until they've decided to retire.
So if he decides to go with the next Test side,
wouldn't surprise Maybe he can because of the sides that
we've been saying they're going to play this year, he
can marry up some of those experienced players that he
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already has with some of the useful ones, which is
what Garth has been speaking about. Yeah, look, I don't
I don't see any reason why two different voices and
thoughts shouldn't be a boon. Actually for the players, especially
those who have been there for a long time, to
get to be energized, you know, by a new voice
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and some new ideas, I would have thought would have
been quite a nice thing. You don't have to accept them,
but it's nice to come from a different angle. And
that relentless nature of being in charge of all three
I would have thought it would have worn you down, frankly.
And players specialize in batting, fielding, and coaching, why not
coaches specializing I don't have any problem with that at all.
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So let's just wait and see what happens. I wouldn't
be at all surprised if he does take the tests, though.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
No, I think that's where it's leading. Jerry and I
think it's interesting. I mean, the black mark for me
is around I think there are a couple so and
the thing is we'll never know from the outside what
went on, but the treatment of Wagner and his forced
retirement prior to the Test in Wellington, and then the
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as I say that the ongoing selection of Sadi when
he was palpably not it shouldn't have been picked. Those
are things that lead me with a sense of discomfort
around the environment. And I just don't know from the
outside how much Gary's had to play on that, or
whether it was player power or whatever. Those are the questions.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
The other thing too was the ending of Ross Taylor's
short form career as well. That was a rather bitter
issue at the time. And those things that are part
of the politics of cricket, aren't they In the end result,
you look at where Steed's got the side their fifth
and Tests rankings third and Odie Eyes and fourth in
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T twenty.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Just before we sign off this week a chance to
reflect on the Plunket shield. The final round was an
interesting round because three teams were in contention, Canterbury, Wellington
and Northern Districts. Wellington, the defending champions, had to beat
Canterbury and hope that Northern Districts were beaten by Otago
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in the final round, but sadly for Wellington they ended
up second comprehensive winners over the Cantabs, but Northern Districts
equally as emphatic in their victory over Otago and secured
themselves the Plunket Shield which they haven't held for quite
some time. But they did it under the coaching skills
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of BJ Watling and the captain c of Jeet Raval.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah, it's a massive relief to be honest. Became very
close last year and we were disappointed not to get
our hands on it. And this year I think we've
played amazing cricket. I think we've been the best team
in the competition so far. So nice to come over
with the nicely to come away with the shield and
it really really pleased our lion hearted and obviously you
saw the way he went and outed today as well,
you know, charging an hour after our bouncer after bouncer
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and they're just not giving it and and just to
kind of cricketer he turned turned himself into and epitomizes
what he's about as a as a player and what
a team meant has been. So I think it's his
plunket first blunket shield in seventeen years and it's a
nice way for him to bow out and.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
For one player, it was an exciting end too his
domestic career in New Zealand. Having started with Otago, he
moved to Northern Districts and he kept off his career
with a victory in the plunket Shield.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Definitely up there, Yeah, cheering the kala on the top
like it's just good of us, a little bit of ending.
Plunket shield is one of the only things I've never
been able to achieve a team or one and to
do that in your last game years definitely tick off
the bucket list and pretty special day. It's a nice
way to end what has been a pretty special time
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in his.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Y seventeen years looking for the plunket shield.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You finally found it.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Yeah, got second a lot and close a lot with
a target and with nd and last year was one
of them. So yeah, to know that you get that
close and not really quite get over the line, it's
quite gutting. And we as a team said up to
know that, you know, this is something we wanted to
try and chase and the cricket we played out throughout
the whole year, like everyone's played amazing contributions throughout the
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whole year and play their part and just been bloody
proud to be a part of this association of this
team to finally get over the line. No, you always
know at Junioval it's pretty tough to get work us
here and you have to graft and grind through it.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, I think just the.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Way we played and you know the smarts of it.
You know, JD has been an outstanding leader. Bj and
Finny the way they've coached this team has been outstanding.
So everybody knew their role, they know what they need
to do and I guess how to achieve it and yeah,
I mean yeah, it just hats off in credit to them.
And I don't think it's ever felt like yes in
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the bag until I thought we needed three records or
so left so thinking hey, this is this is it,
that's the dream is going to come true and quite
quite nice, infitting way.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I think we miss out a lot on this plugget Shielder.
I watch it quite closely because of my involvement in
cricket to here in Wellington and some of the games
in the last round have been quite fantastic games of cricket.
Wellington beat Canterbury, they needed to beat them again and
have Northern Districts louse. They lost to Northern Districts and
Northern proved that they were the better side led by
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Jeep Ravalen with Neil Wagner within their side. But the
domestic game at Plunkett Shield level, to my mind, should
have greater promotion in New Zealand. We can watch the
Australian final live on TV. You can't see any of
the New Zealand domestic game here in terms of the
first class game, and I think we should put more
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in it. When you know, you talk about the stats,
we don't realize that there are players scoring you know,
seven and eight hundred runs in first class cricket in
New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Jerry, Yeah, I really I'm lucky because I can go
over to England and watch for Surrey and commentate there.
Every county of the eighteen counties has ball by ball,
not just in radio but also in TV. They've got
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cameras mounted at both ends of the game because you know,
the selectors like to review all the footage of all
the games, and that's what every county has, Yep. And
then they've also some of these, the more wealthy ones
have got two other ones both that sort of cover
and midwicket, so you get a kind of a decent
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coverage with four cameras. And I just feel we could
we could certainly have ball by ball and then you
wouldn't have disc jockeys coming into some of the commentaries
as well. And so but do you know what I mean?
And so there's there's an ongoing, you know, flow of
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commentators about the game because they're used to doing it
as well. That's what we had when we were all raised,
wasn't it. We We we all remember that sitting in
the caravan at Pukikura Park and those kinds of places
and Garth you down and you know, you down at
Molneu Park. So it's it's a shame that the that
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New Zealand Cricket and radio have been unable to get
together in a way. I'm sure you know everywhere. I
think a lot of people would follow that actually, but
this yeah, Northern District's had five wins and three draws.
No one beat them Canterbury. Will they be disappointed? Gath?
I mean I looked down very quickly the list of
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players and it kind of reads like a who's who.
I've experienced internationals and developing players, you know, bows and boil,
and then you've got folks. You've got Hey, you've got Henry,
you got Latham, you've got Mariu, you've got McClure, McConkie,
you've got Mitchell, you've got Nichols, O'Rourke, rippon Sody. I mean,
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it's really should they have done better? Fellas?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
And the answer is, I think you know, Peter fuldhen
the coach, would say yes, he's always helped them to
a high standard and they're performing. You know what Folks
is like, he's done some work on radio. Yeah, you know,
I think his answer would be absolutely they should have
done better. He sets a high bar. Yeah, but I
think that that tells you then possibly how well Northern
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districts have done, and you know, good on them. I
think it's great to see these things moving around, you know,
I back thinking about the days when I mean there's
almost we're probably almost into half a generation of people
who would never have heard of first class game being
commentated in New Zealand now and of course possibly a generation.
Actually it's been so long since we did it, and
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they don't find it hard to believe that every first
class game you know, we had you know, live commentary
was wonderful. What it's time to go?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yes, it's just about time to go, gentlemen. The thing
about coaches, of course, of those three domestic sides, bj Watling,
Shane Jurgensen and Peter Fulton, the those that are going
to make up the leadership of our game in the
future surely, and I'm sure they'll be putting their names
forward along with Rob Walter for the job but of
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coaching the New Zealand side, if there is a split.
Things to talk about. We haven't even got through some
of that material. But it's good to know that Jerry
is alive and well and ready to.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Join us.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
About I'm not sure about Will. I'm not sure about
Will breathing. That's right and vaguely warm.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Jerry and the pacemaker, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
That's the next thing on the on the itemery.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Good Thanks Jerry once again, and thanks to you gart
to think too where here your work point of view
will talk to you again, I'm sure in the near future.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Good fun, guys.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Cheers, yep, cheers, cheers now, cheers Summer.
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Hello on the front foot. At the end of another
cricket season. Boy, it's been up as the old week
Queen Sweet Baver Pakistan for well. International Development Squad Northern
District's on the punket shield with a commanding final round victory.
And was it a fitting farewell for Neil Wagner from
our domestic game? Is the universal support of the proposed
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changes in the international game? Dead's job is up for decision?
Does that open up the Wichael job for Rob Walter
and the big one who won the awards? Well, we're
going to let you know you probably do know everybody
would have picked the winner of the women's awards, Jeremy.
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Even Donald Trump would have picked this one, wouldn't he.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Ah, Yes, I think Maddy Green really deserved it.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, Well, that shows you're in the Trump camp.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah Meelee Kerr Medi Kurt had to be surely.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Without a doubt, without a doubt. And the Men's Award, well,
there were some contenders for that one, and Garth Galloway's
with us. He's been watching through the domestic cricket and
also the international cricket throughout the summer, and that was
probably just as easy to select too, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
I think so. I think so. I think that I'm
not in painting of Jerry's silly games. I think Matt
Henry had a great season. You know, they missed him
when he was out of the Champions Trophy in the final,
didn't they. I think they. You know, his presence as
a bowl with Whitepool Cricket, Henry Bull, he's been superb,
in a class of his own.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I think yes, indeed, Jerry. The interesting thing was he
only played five of the eight Tests that New Zealand played,
not a lot of Tests nowadays, but he took twenty
five wickets in that and twenty four in the short
form game. Boys. He's taken over control of the seam
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attack with some good players to support him.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Now he has and he's different from the others, and
that's the impressive thing I think about this developing attack
that New Zealand have. Henry obviously is the leader. He
opens the bowling generally, whether it's and particularly in the
ode eyes he bowls at the you know, in the
power play and then death as well and through the
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middle in tests of course, you know he's he's the
most consistent of our bowlers and the roles that he've
his economy rate. You've mentioned the wickets that he gets
and it kind of says pick me, doesn't it. He's
taken some good catches as well. I think of that
patch he took down at fine leg in the first
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the first Test match in India, running some distance and
diving and taking a low catch at fine leg after
just finishing it over. So he's an all round player.
His batting hasn't hasn't really developed any further. I'd like
to see him showing us he can actually hold a bat.
But certainly from the bowling point of view, it stands
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out his figures. I will agree with you about O'Rourke.
I thought he was must He's pushed Henry and that's
a terrific effort. I think in the Test matches in particularly,
I think he played all a didn't he the one
the one he didn't play and no one played that
great Annoider, which was just a disaster. But he's been
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very good. The way he came back in that same
match I've just been talking about at Bangalore. Wow, he
knocked that middle order of Indian middle order around in
the second andings when they got about four hundred and
seventy and we're coming back into the Test, pace and
bounce and straight and removed about two or three of
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those difficult middle order players that they were starting to
get away on New Zealand. He's been good.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
In that England series when when Brockets scored one hundred
and seventy one and one hundred and twenty three in
christ Church and then in Wellington. You know, you remember
in the third Test he had brock hopping around and
broke who was, you know, number one in the world rankings.
I thought he was. He really struggled against pace and
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bounce in Hamilton. It was terrific to see.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Didn't he do that too to Risband as well in
the recent series. He hit him about three or four
times and he just kept out. You know, I mean,
it was the sign of a fast bowler, and he
certainly joined Henry in terms of leading New Zealand's attack.
But there's a couple of others as well, And we
can look back at Sears, who was late to come
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into the game this summer. But Gartha the man who's
really stolen the thunder. Who is Jacob Duffy number one
T twenty bowler in the world. He didn't play Test cricket,
but boy twenty two T twenty wickets in the season.
I mean he had to be a close contender without
even playing Test matches.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, look, I agree. I suppose you're looking at the
at the all round contribution, aren't you. It's quite a
hard thing to judge, isn't it When and the players
who play in all forms of the game have got
a bit of chance of winning the best best dress
I suppose. But I think, well, yeah, I remember talking
to Jerry when Duffy was bowling because he didn't play
in christ Church against England. Of course, in the Test
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match here and I can remember Jerry and I watching
him in the warmups and thinking, gee, you know, he
does look really good and he's getting the ball through.
We talked about how he seemed to be bowling at
you know this phrase, the heavy ball quicker than you
think moving it away from the right hand is a
bit like Henry.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I felt that one of the indictments of the side
throughout the season was the Saldi Benefit series of three matches,
and really I think Duffy should have played in those
Test matches and I don't think he would have let
New Zealand down. His twenty twenty four superb. His fifty
over form very good and I think and I hope
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he will play more Test cricket. He's a bit like
Matt Henry a and what he does with the ball,
but b in terms of the fact that he's had
to wait his time and he's having to wait for
too long I think. But you know, I'm sure he
will get opportunities and if he's as resilient as Henry,
he could still have a part to play in the
Test team.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
He's off to Warwickshire, which will be an interesting, you know,
thing to watch because that's a pretty flat track and
he's going to have to swing the ball early over
there in England and then and bounce the ball while
it's still hard and then resort to good number three
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kind of Test bowling, and that will be very useful
for him. I think I agree with his pace. I
think he moves the ball in the air more than
Henry does. But he also troubles people people with bounce
and you can hear him grunting, can't you, With the
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effort that he's putting into his bowling on delivery. I
think he's been a great addition again, and those three Duffy, O'Rourke,
Sears coming in to assist Henry. It's starting and it
hasn't taken long, has it for them to make their mark,
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all three of them really. I mean Sears got a
couple of fifers at the end of the games against Pakistan.
Duffy's been doing it in the formats that he's playing
right throughout, and we've already spoken about Henry. So we
are certainly getting some good players I think that we
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can use in Test matches as well. And maybe because
if we look ahead whoever's going to be the coach
and the Test format, maybe against Zimbabwe where we play
I think two Tests and then three at home here
against the West Indies, maybe there's an opportunity there to
use some of those youngsters a bit more. I know
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people don't think of O'Rourke, you know, so much, and
Duffy well, well he's older of course, but he's still
a rookie in terms of, you know, Test match play,
and so as Sears. So all of them really are
just really starting the Test format and they are going
to be very worthwhile. I think, quite it's quite it's
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quite a good feeling to have those three most definitely.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
And the interesting thing about all this Garth is that
every time we do this chat, we're talking batsman, aren't we,
But this year it's bowlers we're celebrating. You know, Cain
Williamson five hundred runs in the Test series at fifty three,
a Rattan Ravender five thirty eight at thirty five, Mitchell
got four hundred and fifty, Lathan four hundred and sixteen.
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But to have bowlers in the dominance I think is
encouraging for that future, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I agree that. And there's two we haven't mentioned, and
one as Kyle Jamison coming back into the wait ball
cricket and I thought looked really impressive at times. And
the other player who's had a leading role in news
in the scene has been Mitchell Satiner, and you know,
I think his captaincy has been very good. He's relaxed,
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he's calm, he seems to have the confidence of the team.
I think he's bowling in the fifty over game and
T twenty has been as exceptional as it always been
his world class and of course you know he picked
up seven wickets in that Test against England at Hamilton
three and a four. And I suppose you know, although
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we've said many times I have, you know, I don't
think he's a Test match spinner. He has made some
changes and he was a whole lot more effective in
that form of the game. And of course we know
what he did against India. So yeah, it's lovely to
be talking about bowling. I would love also wads to
be talking about the other spin bowlers who are emerging
on the first class scene and coming through. I don't
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see them. That might be our gap.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Well. The interesting thing Jerry in that regard is the
captaincy of Michael Bracewell too in the series against Pakistan
and his bowling. He was right up there in terms
of the leadership role that the New Zealand side needs
and he's made every post winner. He led the side
to Pakistan, didn't he in that series that they played
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over there, and then took over from Santna in this
series at home against Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And he's captain Wellington, hasn't he. Brian you'd probably know
that as well. So he's certainly emerging and I'm sure
that's where Santana has helped him a great deal as well.
I think he actually said I love the way that
Mitchell Santner led the team and the champions trophy. But
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he's a big turner of the ball. He can have
beat the ball as well. He's known as the beast,
isn't he, and really in a terrific accurate catcher. So
he adds all three skills I think to this New
Zealand side. He's a very useful member indeed, and he
was able to use his faster bowl as I think
against Pakistan, who looked a little bit suspect, didn't they
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against the pace and the bounce of the New Zealanders
in April with the pictures that were bouncing a little
bit and where I mean Nate had run the game
the day before, and I think also at Hamilton. Even
though New Zealand were bowling second in those matches, they
still worried the Pakistan top order. So and he used them,
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I thought, very judiciously, you know, didn't overbowl them, bowld
them of a couple extra when he felt they were
causing problems. Wasn't afraid to do that. And so he
didn't you didn't go out with a sort of a
plan that he was stuck rigorously too. He just worked
with what he knew he had and so and I
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think that's the way to play the ODI in the
shorter format.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, most definitely some players that we please to be
able to celebrate and of course, even though there's limited
Test match opportunities coming up, we will get that opportunity
later in this year against Simbabwe and the West Indies.
Just a quick word about the ODI series and the
development of young players. Mariu Mohammed Abas came into the side,
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the slow development of Nathan Smith. I think he's still
got a fair way to go, but you know, it's
good to see some of those young players getting that
opportunity and taking it against the Pakistan side that was
slightly better than their T twenty team, but still struggling
in New Zealand conditions, but you know, we see these
young players. That's the youth we're looking to try and develop. Gath.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, I agree, and I think Pakistan they fled it
to de Seed, didn't they. They? But I think you're right,
and I think it pushes as people who watch a
lot of the game and are involved and broadcasting or
writing on it or whatever. Definitely creates a new energy
for everybody. Having these players coming in. I think if
I have a criticism of the New Zealand side in
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recent years, I just think they've been too conservative and
people's you know, one of their strengths has been an
ongoing selections, but it's also been a weakness. And I
think what we're seeing is that there are younger players
who come and they do not seem to have the
fear that some players used to have. They play with
a very free spirit and an open mind. I hope
that Marius picked to go to Zimbabwe. He had a
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very good first class season. I thought that a Bas's
performances were very interesting, again against an indifferent side, but
you couldn't ask for a whole lot more from him.
And I thought, you know, his left arm swing bowling
is an interesting addition as well, and that might be
useful for New Zealand in the future. I agree with
you on Smith. I don't have a whole lot of
confidence in Smith's bowling in white ball cricket. I think,
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you know, he looked every bit the athlete in the
Test series against England. At times he was a bit expensive,
but I think he's a player who will be and
he'll be there or thereabouts. But some of the other
players coming through I think we're talking, you know, there's
some real excitement around them. Like Jeremy said, when they
go to Zimbabwe, please use that as an opportunity to
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blood a few players. I know everyone wants to play
in the easy tests, probably, but we haven't done that
well in the past and now is an opportunity to
do it.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Yeah. Look, I think it's also clearly the younger players
played a key role, and I'm including you know, Raurc
and Sears and Duffy in those as younger players and
Abas you've mentioned a quick fifty at Napier and then
a forty holding the middle together in game two in Hamilton,
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Duffy and o'rack and Seas we've spoken about in the
bounce that they can get the pace. They've got Hay
behind the stumps, Pid he got a ninety nine in
the second game. And even Chapman he's a developing number
three now and he's also a finisher, which is what
he's been in the past. Smith, he's a thought a
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shorter man than the Duffy O'Rourke sears, so he's got
to find a link that he can bowl a little better.
He got a four for in game one. He's good
in the part. Needs to improve his batting and learn
how long just those late overs are, so between forty
five and forty eight, you know, those that kind of
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period in a one day match. And let's not forget
our one day format. It's by far the New Zealander's
best format if you look at the past, the most
consistent with eight semi finals and two finals we haven't
and then a couple of winning the champions Trophy as
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well as on. So it's our best format. And these players,
I think these younger players are showing that they can
continue legacy quite nicely. Smith. There Kelly got a twenty
and a thirty, so I just feel it was you know,
promising signs, not definitive, but that the new generation they
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perhaps can continue to do things that we've seen in
the past. So yeah, I think it's also a pat
on the back and the plunket shield that you know,
this is a competition right at the heart of New
Zealand cricket. Up until then, players play club cricket, they
play in underage seventeen and nineteen, they play a bit
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of Hawked Cup maybe if they're young, and they might
even play some development sides. But once you get into
that provincial side and there are runs and wickets and performances,
counts counts and it's watched and so I think it's
from those that competition that we get our New Zealand
A and development sides and the New Zealand side beckons.
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So we rely on it to be a nursery for
this higher representation. And I just think that we've got
in that little series we had against Pakistan, we've seen
we've got bowlers, we've got batsman, we've got an all
rounder in our bass, we've got a keeper and so
you know, I think you just put a week couple
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of pets on the back. I think for the work
that's going on there.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Most definitely, and they've been key contributors in that form
of the game. There's a whole list of awards. I
won't read them all out, but one I'm sure you
guys will probably appreciate and I think it's a worthy
one is the winner of this year's Bert Suckliffe Medal
for Outstanding Services to Cricket and it goes to Francis Payne.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
You agree, Fantasy, Yeah, absolutely, Francis has been incredible. What
a it's quite an inspirational you know, people think outside
the where with our people who won that award, and
of course it's named after the great man Bert Zackliffe. Yeah,
I think that's very special. Francis has been an incredible
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statistician over a prolonged period of time. He's also, of
course been heavily involved in the US in Cricket Almanac
since time I memorial, a fantastic book which you know
has so much information in it and prior of course
to the Internet, it was a treasure trove for all
of us. So yeah, I think that's great and it
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recognizes that people with all interests in the game can
be so valuable. Well done.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
What a good choice. I didn't know that had been
made once. And I'm delighted for Francis. He's over lives
in Australia now. He always comes in to see me
when I happened to move through Australia and have a
chair and have a beer. He kind of doesn't drink beer.
He eats it. He's just a lovely man and talks
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at great lengths about the game, and particularly about how
the game began and some of our great former players
and going back into the early you know ages, and
I love all that stuff and the little stories that
he tells you about them and so on. He put
a hell of a lot into the game when we
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were on radio sports wads, didn't he and Gard and
then of course he went to the TV and he
helped them as well and sort of shape them slightly
to say look out for this today and look out
for that, and just it just points the commentary in
certain positions and in certain directions. So I'm delighted with that.
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I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, it's great and an honor world deserved for the
work that he's done. And of course the other man
who does a lot of hard work round the statistical
stuff as Ian Smith from Wellington, and I'm sure he
has been honored in his own way. He certainly has
been in Wellington in terms of his contribution. The other
big story of well the week, Gary Steed's going to
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decide in the next few weeks if he wants to
apply for the role of Test coach. He's confirmed his
decision to step away from the white ball formats well
arguably the most successful coach he's been there since twenty eighteen.
And at the same time as he stepped aside, a
fellow by the name of Rob Walter has given up
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his contract as the South African coach for the ODI
competition and is a free agent. Having worked here, having
taken the New Zealand to a side, it seems a
shewing that he's in line for that role. I heard
John Bracewell on radio say we don't need to go overseas,
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but is Rob walteron necessary overseas? He's worked in New Zealand.
You'll know him Garth through Otago, he moved into Central districts.
I think his family is still here in New Zealand,
but it almost seems as though it's been written for him.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, it does, and I hope that he does get involved.
I think he's a good coach. I think he has
the confidence of the players. Like you, it doesn't seem
to be it won't be a big surprise if he
is picked to take over the white ball teams. I
quite I like the idea that they're going to split
it up. You'll remember that Gary Stead said a couple
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of seasons ago that he felt that the time was
right for it to be split, and he was promptly
reappointed to do all forms of the game. It's interesting
though that Gary and look if we reflect on his performances,
and I know from time to time a lot of
people have been critical. I think when you look at
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his record though from two thousand and eighteen, as you say,
was won the Test Championship in twenty twenty one, you
know a lot of people have said, including me at times,
that he came in on the coattails of Hessen and
McCullum and had a good ride. But I think it
would be uncharitable and quite incorrect to maintain that. That
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can certain me account for some initial success, but being
able to prolong it in the way that he has
means that he must deserve a fair chunk of credit,
I think, you know, but for the three Test series
win in India, the miracle, you know, I think he
would be struggling a little to be holding his hand
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up for the Test job, and I think that might
have just saved his consideration. I felt that he's done.
He's done much better really in the white ball form
of the game than he has around the Test team
in the last few years. I've felt that the Test
teams since twenty twenty one, we've had some pretty and
different performances. Really. I just think his performances, particularly in
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the major tournaments and so on, have been fantastic with
the white ball stuff, but it remains to be seen.
I don't think anyone could begrudge it if he was
given another period with the Test team. However, you know,
I think his strength really during his time has mainly
been with the white ball stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah. It's an interesting one, isn't it. I guess. I
guess it would be no surprise from what you two
have been saying. If Stead took the Test side and
Rob Walter the white ball formats, that wouldn't surprise anybody
and they would say, yeah, that works nicely stead. I
(24:52):
guess he's as we look back, he's grown into the position.
I think that's probably fair to say, rather than trying
to drive the side as a coach, he's kind of
slowly pulled back, hasn't he. And he's got other coaches
around him, and maybe he does the overall planning. None
(25:13):
of us quite know exactly what he does day to
day and how he prepares for a new tour and
so on and sets the policies. Perhaps he's very much
stuck with players once he's they've been selected, and that's
earned the ire of some people. I think you'd say
(25:35):
most people would regard his achievements as being better than
others in the past. I personally think he did inherit
a good side. Seven of them, Lathan Williamson, Taylor to
grand On, Saudi, Wagner, Bolt, you know they're not that
that's not a bad, you know, number to get to
(25:56):
start with, but that and he's kept most of them,
hasn't he for a long time until they've decided to retire.
So if he decides to go with the next Test side,
wouldn't surprise Maybe he can because of the sides that
we've been saying they're going to play this year, he
can marry up some of those experienced players that he
(26:19):
already has with some of the useful ones, which is
what Garth has been speaking about. Yeah, look, I don't
I don't see any reason why two different voices and
thoughts shouldn't be a boon. Actually for the players, especially
those who have been there for a long time, to
get to be energized, you know, by a new voice
(26:41):
and some new ideas, I would have thought would have
been quite a nice thing. You don't have to accept them,
but it's nice to come from a different angle. And
that relentless nature of being in charge of all three
I would have thought it would have worn you down, frankly.
And players specialize in batting, fielding, and coaching, why not
coaches specializing I don't have any problem with that at all.
(27:04):
So let's just wait and see what happens. I wouldn't
be at all surprised if he does take the tests, though.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
No, I think that's where it's leading. Jerry and I
think it's interesting. I mean, the black mark for me
is around I think there are a couple so and
the thing is we'll never know from the outside what
went on, but the treatment of Wagner and his forced
retirement prior to the Test in Wellington, and then the
(27:33):
as I say that the ongoing selection of Sadi when
he was palpably not it shouldn't have been picked. Those
are things that lead me with a sense of discomfort
around the environment. And I just don't know from the
outside how much Gary's had to play on that, or
whether it was player power or whatever. Those are the questions.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
The other thing too was the ending of Ross Taylor's
short form career as well. That was a rather bitter
issue at the time. And those things that are part
of the politics of cricket, aren't they In the end result,
you look at where Steed's got the side their fifth
and Tests rankings third and Odie Eyes and fourth in
(28:17):
T twenty.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Just before we sign off this week a chance to
reflect on the Plunket shield. The final round was an
interesting round because three teams were in contention, Canterbury, Wellington
and Northern Districts. Wellington, the defending champions, had to beat
Canterbury and hope that Northern Districts were beaten by Otago
(28:42):
in the final round, but sadly for Wellington they ended
up second comprehensive winners over the Cantabs, but Northern Districts
equally as emphatic in their victory over Otago and secured
themselves the Plunket Shield which they haven't held for quite
some time. But they did it under the coaching skills
(29:06):
of BJ Watling and the captain c of Jeet Raval.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
Yeah, it's a massive relief to be honest. Became very
close last year and we were disappointed not to get
our hands on it. And this year I think we've
played amazing cricket. I think we've been the best team
in the competition so far. So nice to come over
with the nicely to come away with the shield and
it really really pleased our lion hearted and obviously you
saw the way he went and outed today as well,
you know, charging an hour after our bouncer after bouncer
(29:33):
and they're just not giving it and and just to
kind of cricketer he turned turned himself into and epitomizes
what he's about as a as a player and what
a team meant has been. So I think it's his
plunket first blunket shield in seventeen years and it's a
nice way for him to bow out and.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
For one player, it was an exciting end too his
domestic career in New Zealand. Having started with Otago, he
moved to Northern Districts and he kept off his career
with a victory in the plunket Shield.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Definitely up there, Yeah, cheering the kala on the top
like it's just good of us, a little bit of ending.
Plunket shield is one of the only things I've never
been able to achieve a team or one and to
do that in your last game years definitely tick off
the bucket list and pretty special day. It's a nice
way to end what has been a pretty special time
(30:28):
in his.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Y seventeen years looking for the plunket shield.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You finally found it.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Yeah, got second a lot and close a lot with
a target and with nd and last year was one
of them. So yeah, to know that you get that
close and not really quite get over the line, it's
quite gutting. And we as a team said up to
know that, you know, this is something we wanted to
try and chase and the cricket we played out throughout
the whole year, like everyone's played amazing contributions throughout the
(30:54):
whole year and play their part and just been bloody
proud to be a part of this association of this
team to finally get over the line. No, you always
know at Junioval it's pretty tough to get work us
here and you have to graft and grind through it.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, I think just the.
Speaker 6 (31:10):
Way we played and you know the smarts of it.
You know, JD has been an outstanding leader. Bj and
Finny the way they've coached this team has been outstanding.
So everybody knew their role, they know what they need
to do and I guess how to achieve it and yeah,
I mean yeah, it just hats off in credit to them.
And I don't think it's ever felt like yes in
(31:31):
the bag until I thought we needed three records or
so left so thinking hey, this is this is it,
that's the dream is going to come true and quite
quite nice, infitting way.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I think we miss out a lot on this plugget Shielder.
I watch it quite closely because of my involvement in
cricket to here in Wellington and some of the games
in the last round have been quite fantastic games of cricket.
Wellington beat Canterbury, they needed to beat them again and
have Northern Districts louse. They lost to Northern Districts and
Northern proved that they were the better side led by
(32:04):
Jeep Ravalen with Neil Wagner within their side. But the
domestic game at Plunkett Shield level, to my mind, should
have greater promotion in New Zealand. We can watch the
Australian final live on TV. You can't see any of
the New Zealand domestic game here in terms of the
first class game, and I think we should put more
(32:27):
in it. When you know, you talk about the stats,
we don't realize that there are players scoring you know,
seven and eight hundred runs in first class cricket in
New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Jerry, Yeah, I really I'm lucky because I can go
over to England and watch for Surrey and commentate there.
Every county of the eighteen counties has ball by ball,
not just in radio but also in TV. They've got
(32:56):
cameras mounted at both ends of the game because you know,
the selectors like to review all the footage of all
the games, and that's what every county has, Yep. And
then they've also some of these, the more wealthy ones
have got two other ones both that sort of cover
and midwicket, so you get a kind of a decent
(33:18):
coverage with four cameras. And I just feel we could
we could certainly have ball by ball and then you
wouldn't have disc jockeys coming into some of the commentaries
as well. And so but do you know what I mean?
And so there's there's an ongoing, you know, flow of
(33:40):
commentators about the game because they're used to doing it
as well. That's what we had when we were all raised,
wasn't it. We We we all remember that sitting in
the caravan at Pukikura Park and those kinds of places
and Garth you down and you know, you down at
Molneu Park. So it's it's a shame that the that
(34:03):
New Zealand Cricket and radio have been unable to get
together in a way. I'm sure you know everywhere. I
think a lot of people would follow that actually, but
this yeah, Northern District's had five wins and three draws.
No one beat them Canterbury. Will they be disappointed? Gath?
I mean I looked down very quickly the list of
(34:25):
players and it kind of reads like a who's who.
I've experienced internationals and developing players, you know, bows and boil,
and then you've got folks. You've got Hey, you've got Henry,
you got Latham, you've got Mariu, you've got McClure, McConkie,
you've got Mitchell, you've got Nichols, O'Rourke, rippon Sody. I mean,
(34:46):
it's really should they have done better? Fellas?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
And the answer is, I think you know, Peter fuldhen
the coach, would say yes, he's always helped them to
a high standard and they're performing. You know what Folks
is like, he's done some work on radio. Yeah, you know,
I think his answer would be absolutely they should have
done better. He sets a high bar. Yeah, but I
think that that tells you then possibly how well Northern
(35:12):
districts have done, and you know, good on them. I
think it's great to see these things moving around, you know,
I back thinking about the days when I mean there's
almost we're probably almost into half a generation of people
who would never have heard of first class game being
commentated in New Zealand now and of course possibly a generation.
Actually it's been so long since we did it, and
(35:35):
they don't find it hard to believe that every first
class game you know, we had you know, live commentary
was wonderful. What it's time to go?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yes, it's just about time to go, gentlemen. The thing
about coaches, of course, of those three domestic sides, bj Watling,
Shane Jurgensen and Peter Fulton, the those that are going
to make up the leadership of our game in the
future surely, and I'm sure they'll be putting their names
forward along with Rob Walter for the job but of
(36:05):
coaching the New Zealand side, if there is a split.
Things to talk about. We haven't even got through some
of that material. But it's good to know that Jerry
is alive and well and ready to.
Speaker 5 (36:20):
Join us.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
About I'm not sure about Will. I'm not sure about
Will breathing. That's right and vaguely warm.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Jerry and the pacemaker, Well.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
That's the next thing on the on the itemery.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Good Thanks Jerry once again, and thanks to you gart
to think too where here your work point of view
will talk to you again, I'm sure in the near future.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Good fun, guys.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Cheers, yep, cheers, cheers now, cheers Summer.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
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