August 12, 2025 • 49 mins
On this week’s episode of On The Front Foot, Bryan Waddle and Jeremy Coney were joined by Devon Conway to review the Black Caps victory over Zimbabwe and celebrate the joys of test cricket.
Plus, Ken Rutherford looks back on the first test tour of Zimbabwe, recounting some bizarre moments.
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Speaker 4 (00:51):
The Black Cat produced the result expected from the Bibwe
Test series without letting this standard slip and introduced a
new talent to increase the debt. Has two three day
defeats done anything for zimbabwek How can they lift this standard?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
There's some talent in their ranks.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
And thirty three years on from the New Zealand's first
test trip to Zimbabwe, one of the original teams recall
some bizarre events on that tour, but time to review
the series.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
As Jeremy Caney, he's in the.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
United Kingdom enjoying the delights of domestic one day.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Forget Jerry, what I'm doing the Metro Bank one day
cut I know I know three of three of the players.
I can't pretend you know, I just I say, there's
this fellow left handed or right.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hand you know, you know you're doing the same team, aren't.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
You, well one of the teams, yes, Surny but yeah,
so anyway, Oen and they're out out grounds, which is
they're not at the main ground, so you get pictures
that are slightly variable, in this case extremely so and
bouncing a great deal and like tennis by real ten
(02:08):
a small bounce.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So anyway, No, but I've been watching some of it
on the cricket website, the English Cricket website, and they
seem to be getting good numbers there.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So they're providing cricket for the people.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Aren't they. Oh, definitely, definitely. I mean you get in
a large county like Surrey to have a game that's
down towards a lot of the people that follow Surrey
and are in the actual county itself. They poured and
that we had. You know, they're small grounds and so
you're own two thousand fills it up. But they certainly
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got that. So no, they do a good jobs.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
And you know, I mean we see a lot of
domestic cricket where not many people go to in New
Zealand outside the internationals, and you know it provides cricket
for the public.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
So a nine we could win and an innings and
three hundred and fifty nine runs one way traffic for
a depleted team that still managed to play quality performances
both individually and as a team, particularly in that second Test.
Standing captain for the injured Tom Lathan, Mitchell Santner had
the luxury of reflecting on some positives in Bulaway.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
You know, we are challenge of times throughout the game,
and I guess we kind of got through those periods
and yeah, I guess we cashed in. I think the
way we bowled, especially in the first innings, there's probably
a little bit there, but yes, obviously gets them barbwe
o for one twenty that firstnings and then we could
really cash in with a bat and so yeah, I
can't really complain about anything during this game.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
He certainly couldn't have had any complaints about one of
the successes seam bowler new boy Zach Fuchs.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah, obviously we've seen you know, Zach and some of
the white ball stuff, and I guess here you know,
someone who can kind of swinging into the right handers.
You don't see that often, so I guess another addition
to our attack with the guys, you know, moving the
ball away. So yeah, he was outstanding. You know when
the lefties come on, he's he looks pretty pretty tough
to play and yeah, to get I guess one in
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the game on debus.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And for folks it seemed all quite overwhelming.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
Yeah, still hasn't really kicked in, to be honest. Yeah,
it's all happened pretty quick. Yeah, it was awesome to
be out there with the guys. Yeah, I don't really
know too much, she has to say. Yeah, it was
all a little bit rushed. Yeah, I've been on a
White Bull diet, so the prospect of bowling a few
more overs and stuff. Yeah, definitely felt felt a bit
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sore on day two. Thankfully we didn't have to bowl
on day two, which was nice. Yeah, that was cool, cool,
get it back into Red Bull cricket.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Fochs was one of three bowlers on debut and he
acknowledged the others played an important part as well.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
Yeah, it's also it's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, really cool
Duffs sort of taken me under his wing, which is nice.
We've played played a little bit together for the black Cats,
which is cool. And then first year it's awesome to
see what he done in the last few years. And yeah,
it was awesome to see what he did out there.
He's buying pretty quick in the nets the other day,
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which wasn't wasn't too nice, but not awesome to see
both those guys get a crack and do so well.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Calm and measured as ever Santana had praised for Ratch
and Reminder, who was unwell heading into the Test.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Yeah, I guess in the last kind of a few
years he's shown us his talents, you know, at ICC
events and the white ball and now obviously in the
Test stuff as well. Yeah, I mean, I guess that
the how freely he scores, you know, I mean that
that knock run a ball in that kind of stage
of the game for us was I guess I put
us in a position to really declare. I guess overnight,
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you know, even it only being deep two.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Moderates feelings for the host country up against a rampant
New Zealand attack.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Yeah, I guess there's something you Yeah, I guess the
more you play and the more you are challenged in
different conditions against different opposition, you know, I guess you'd
learn and when you're in those you know, situations again
and you might potentially do it differently. I think this
is I mean, if you look at the score, potentially
a couple of tough series for ZIM, But you know,
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I think it's you know, you're challenging yourself against some
good attacks, especially the bat even with the ball, you know,
against some good batter. So you know, I think they'll
take learnings from both these series.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
You know.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
I guess the score looks like it was, you know,
a very one sided affair, but I think you know,
throughout this game and even the first, there was periods
where you know, we're under pressure, ZIM were on top,
and I think, you know, if you can kind of
weather those storms and kind of get through it, you'll
put yourself in a better position.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Good signs for the Black app She sitting home for
a bunch of T twenties and three tests with the
West Indies.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Yeah, I guess we Yeah, I think you reflect. I
guess on the series the good and I guess the bad,
and then like you said, it's we get back home
and I guess friendly conditions to what we're going to
get here. But you know, I think the way you know,
the new scene group this game stepped up, it puts
us in a great position for I guess when we
go home, we've got plenty of options with the ball.
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You know, Jamison will probably be back in. Kane's back
in as well with the bats, so it could be
a slightly different looking team. But yeah, I guess. You know,
guys who come in and step up straight away. It's
it's a great position to be.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
In on the front foot with one and Cody.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
One player who'll be happy with his performance. Played a
significant role in not only the one day victory but
also the Test series. Devin Conway top run score of
two hundred and forty five, runs average of eighty one
point six, seven scores of eighty eight and one hundred
and fifty three. Devin joins us on the front foot
and it must be pretty satisfied with that outcome from
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the Test series. Following on from the t twenties.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
Yeah, thanks for having me on the show, Brian. Yeah,
it's been a nice month for me here in Zim.
It was nice to get the opportunity initially in the
T twenty series and then to back it up being
involved in the Test series. It was nice to spend
some time out in the middle and yeah, contribute to
the team.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, because you don't do that often, do you. I
mean Test matches a few and far between. Now, you
haven't had one since last Christmas, and you've had a
diet of short form cricket, haven't you.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
Yeah, certainly. I think, as you say, my last Test
match for news End was just just just before my
daughter was born in December, so yeah, she's she's nearly
nearly eight months old now, so it's been a long
time since I've been involved in the red ball format.
But when I got the call from from Rob a
couple of months back saying I was involved in the
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Test series against them, I was grateful for that opportunity
to be back in that in that team.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
You were a pretty good form.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That must have been something that's special for you, because
I mean, form is important, doesn't it.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Yeah, certainly. I mean I think it was just initially
quite nice to get the opportunity off the bat and
then you had to try and contribute and play. You
know as a batter, you know that there's a lot
of ebbs and flows within within your career, So it
was nic just to go out there with freedom, just
with a fresh device and underplaying playing under Rob. So
it was quite nice just to get that opportunity and
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guard and express myself.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Is it much change from Gary Stead to Rob Walter.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
I wouldn't say there's major changes. I think it just
brings sort of a couple of fresh ideas, particularly in
the T twenty space, which was a nice opportunity to learn.
But in the red ball format, I think with the
leadership of Tom Latham and a couple of the other
senior guys, not much as has changed all that much.
But I think as we head into different series later
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on the year against Western As, we might see a
different style of playing or a different method in terms
of how rob Ones has to go about it.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
You talk about form a player who plays in both white,
white ball and red ball cricket.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Is there two types of form? Is there?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Is there a test match form and a short form
form or is it do they just go hand in
hand in terms of how you prepare.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
I think they go hand in hand with how you
prepare I think, you know, I've been starved of red ball,
of a red ball diet, so for me, I was
quite hungry to sort of get into the nets and
sharpen up. And you know, I think the decision making
changes somewhat. You know, I think the patients side of
things too, But the overall intent looking to score, putting
ballers on the pressure doesn't change all that much. It's
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just a matter of just sharpening up and tightening up
your own game plans in the different formats.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I suppose then it becomes more of a mental adjustment
rather than a technical adjustment in terms of how you
go about the game.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Yeah, certainly, I think patients as well. I think, you know,
in the first test, I got eighty eight, as you mentioned,
and it felt like I've had it a very long time,
just because I hadn't had that diet or facing lots
of bowling. So it was nice just to be out
there and just be, you know, just batter and not worrying,
not worrying about strike rates, not worrying about overrates or
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anything like that. You're just going out there and just
reacting and just letting the ball come to you and
just playing the situation. As it comes.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, while the scoreboard might not suggest it, it seemed
from afar that they were challenging conditions you played in.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Yeah, certainly, Brian. I think in that first Test particular
that that w could was certainly very sporty their their
bowlers with the with the new ball as well. They
challenged us as opening batters made it quite hard for us.
I think opening the batting with Will Young in the
series was great. You know, we we formed some decent
partnerships in both tests, and we sort of absorbed those
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pressure moments whenever we were put under pressure, so we
knew it was always going to be favorable to the
seemas with the pace and bounce that they had. But
we thankfully got through those new ball periods and made
a lot easier to score once the bor got soft
and older.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I'm intrigued by Mezerabani six foot six, He's got the
sort of height Darryl Mitchell spoke last week about him.
It reminds him of Kyle Jamison to some extent.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Yes, certainly, he's he's been seriously hard work. You know,
you look at the amount of overs that he's bold
within this Test series. He's bold so much. He's actually bold,
way more than any of the other bowlers. You know,
just kept running in, didn't look like you got tired
at all. And yet, as you say, it's very tall,
pretty much similar to Kyle Jamison height and hits the
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wicket pretty hard, so made it quite uncomfortable for us
beat As you know, we always walked off thinking we
got challenged massively by Blessings, so it was a nice
opportunity to face him and learn from how he goes
about it.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, when these tests were announced, the expectation was that
New Zealand should be able to beat Zimbabwe, and so
it proved. But you still have to be conscious of
the fact you have standards and you've got to sustain
those standards, don't you.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Yeah, certainly. I think quite often, you know, you can
put unnecessary pressure yourself with the expectation of winning games.
But we always reminded ourselves day in day out, we're
just competing more against ourselves, more against our standards, and
we tried to hold our hats on those. So we
try not to think about who we're playing against, but
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just being present and just doing the job at hand.
At prison moments.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
It must be also satisfying within the ranks. For new
players to come to the side, to be selected because
of various reasons injury or unavailability, and to see those
players step out must be encouraging for the depth of the.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
Team, very encouraging, I think. You know, you look at
some of the guys that came in, particularly in the
second Test. You know, had three debutantes. They all came in,
they all did a great job, and I think it's
a credit to the environment that we have at the
Black Caps that allows players to come in feel like
they belong and trust that they can do a job
for the team. And you know, when you have opportunities
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like that, it really shows the depth in which we
have in New Zealand cricket around you know, the bowling
attack and all the batter is coming through too.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, well that bowling, of course was important. Having lost
the likes of Sauvi, Bolt, Wagner, et cetera. We needed
new players and they've come through and you know, Will
O'Rourke and then new players in for this Test match.
They did the job, doesn't they.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Oh, Matt Henry's been outstanding. He has just been a
class act for quite some time now. But I think
it's great just seeing these new guys come in and
really dominating from the first ball. You look at Zach Folks,
I mean, he's he just got best figures on debut,
tipping Willow Rock's best figures. So yeah, it just shows,
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you know, the competition for places now is going to
be interesting amongst the bowling and batting ranks. So it's
great that these guys have been given the opportunity and
they've performed. So you know, there might be some challenges
moving forward with the depth of balling we have.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, that's going to be interesting, of course because it's
only sort of three Test matches this year. Anyway, there's
a program next year. It's basically T twenty cricket, so
you have to really sustain the fitness and the preparation
work for that as well, don't you.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
Yeah, for sure, I think you know, everyone's going to
have their own individual programs. But you know, we have
been speaking about this World Test Championship cycle for the
next two years, so that is definitely a big focus.
Even though we're going to go into heavy diet of
white ball cricket, I think guars will certainly have that
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fitness aspect the workloads that you need to put in
for Red Bull cricket.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I guess you have to be fit because you know,
there's so many chances to be injured, something you probably
understand as well as anybody at the moment, and nice
to be injury free from your point of view to
continue that challenge of T twenty and Test match cricket.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
I mean I have been unfortunately injured as of late,
but you know, I think the body is in a good,
good space now. I've got a nice month's breakoff now,
which is great for me physically. I can sort of
get into the gym and do lots of running sessions
to try and make sure that my body is ready
for the next you know, twelve months of a lot
of cricket coming up.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, well you'll have to do a lot of running
because it's quite cold back here and in the capital,
so you're be coming home to some fresh conditions.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Yeah, I've heard so. I sort of touch base with
family back home, and I think there's been three days
of continuous rain, so I'm not overly keen on coming
back to cold weather, but I think that's part of
the winter and I think that just gives me the
opportunity to get in the gym all the more you.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Have a break, and it's quite important to have that break.
Can you turn your mind off from cricket even when
you're having a.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Break, It's very hard. It's very hard to Brian. I
think it's one of the continuous challenges as a cricketer
that you know you're always constantly thinking or watching cricket.
I think for me personally, it will be a matter
of not heading balls or opening up my cricket bag
for at least two weeks, but certainly getting involved it
in a fitness program straight away. So that might just
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be my way of trying to disconnect a little bit
from cricket to still being still adding value in some
other way by doing my gym and running for BLICIT programs.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Well, there's a lot coming up of course. First of
October I think is the first match against the Australian.
So the congratulations on your efforts in Zimbabwe, as I say,
both important roles in the T twitty but also on
the testament side, and I hope you get that break
and refreshment that the body needs ready for water is
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a big summer.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Yeah, thanks a lot, Brian. We certainly are looking forward
to a great summer ahead, you know, as you say,
we've got the Assis coming, We've got the English coming
in the West Indies in the Red Bull format. So
looking forward to the break, but also seriously looking forward
to the summer coming.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Up, Brian Waddell. Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
So success for the New Zealanders and we expected it anyway.
They were much too strong for the Simbabwe side Jeremy Coney.
But plenty to be enthusiastic about a part from the results,
the individual performances and new players getting a chance at
Test level and fitting in well.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
No, very good in the second Test, wasn't it really?
The three new players all in the bowling attack Fuchs
Obviously he claims the headlines if you like, with nine wickets,
but getting people out I think obviously moved the ball
a lot. I didn't see it was, but I can.
I can just tell. And after watching him in the
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A Tour and things like that, he's able to do
that and he gets people out the right way. And
I had a quick look at the scorecard and it
was court third slip port, second slip court legue, slip LBW,
couple of bowls. You know, probably that people aren't being
caught on the edge, you know, those kinds of things.
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So he had a really good day. But you can't
get much better than that. I think it was the
most a man on debut, most wickets, wasn't it or
something like that performance. Yeah, yeah, And of course the
other two Duffy, Duffy, you know, he's obviously going to
be playing soon. He got a couple of wickets, got
a court and bold, he batted and got thirty odd
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with his with his night watch we have to say,
we can't say night watch men, no, not allowed. And
then and then of course Fisher, you had eleven overs
and got two for thirty odd. Reasonably tight. It looked
like in the first innings and in the second when
the other side were about to lose, weren't they. They
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obviously had a bit of a crack and he had
a slightly different kind of you know, to fight a
different thing, which is being hit a little bit more
than he was in the first innings. That won't hurt
him at all, So you know, overall, and Henry getting
sixteen wickets in a couple of Tests, that's great. He
continues his his push to get you know, he started
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very slowly, as I think we said last week, but
he's worked up better and better and better, hasn't he.
He's had a really good tour. Good to see Conway
getting one hundred and fifty. That's great attacking innings from Ravendra.
Obviously Nichols got a hundred as well. So none of
the Zimbabwe innings got to two hundred. In fact, one
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sixty five was I noticed was the top score in
the Tests. And yeah, look I think no one got
a fifty against New Zealand. So as you say, standards
have been upheld.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, and I think it's important that those batsmen, while
the quality of the bowling wasn't great, we're able to
score hundreds, We're able to form partnerships, we're able to
do all the Test match things against the side that
basically probably didn't come up to the sort of standard
you expect from most Test match sides.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Well, it exposed a large gap between the sides, didn't it.
I mean Zimbabwe don't play top sides at all. Really.
They'll play Ireland and the Afghanistan and they'll play Bangladesh
and that's that's kind of about it, isn't it. They're
quite a young side clearly, and they're obviously going to
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have to work very hard. The whole of the cricket business.
That's the pitch people, you know who who make and
comprise those pitches. The grounds have to be good, the
outfields have to be good, and then of course the
actual just the three skills, whether it's batting, bowling or fielding.
They've got to somehow work out very clearly how they're
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going to go about it and have very clear thoughts
in their minds. I think they've got a gunna star next.
I think I suppose you asked yourself, is it good
for them? Well, you know, once upon a time was
that was us?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Wasn't right?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
And we when we used to play Australia and teams
like that, that's that's that's what we had to confront
as well. And we were part of as as Zimbabwe
as they're really a de facto Division two side, aren't
they so until and England helped us a great deal
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by continually coming between forty six when we played the
Assis and when we started again in seventy three playing
their top side. But what they did Ossie apart from England.
You know, we obviously that we played their better sides
and we had a very strong economic tie with them
and trade right through that time, didn't we, So they
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were we had ties between the two countries anyway. With Australia,
we played B teams, didn't we, if you remember, that's right,
And they put young teams and didn't they They put
young players about to be in the in the full
Australian side when they went to Land. They slowly, I think,
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helped us along the way to get better and better
until we got to Graham Dowling side in nineteen sixty nine.
We were beating their B teams when the Aussies came out,
and you know, with Brian Hastings and all those people.
Turner was around at that time as well. We had
some good batsman Bruce Murray, and we were becoming much
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stronger in the bowling as well. So maybe that's the
way that Zimbabwe could go rather than sending the top side.
This one wasn't the total top side, but it was
strong whell. Maybe we sended eighteen there with a couple
of stronger guys and maybe that's the way they can
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work their way up.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Well, I think South Africa can play a part in
that for Zimbabwe. I mean, I don't know the political
scenario over there, but surely the Zimbabwe domestic competition in
some way could be filtered into what they do in
South Africa. I know they say they're playing more short
form cricket than Test match, but the quality would be
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good if they could do that. They're quite close enough
that they could have South African eight teams there. I mean,
the South Africans were there for the short form competition
in the tea twenties.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
There's plenty of room to do that and that would help.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Zimbabwe get the quality of opposition they need rather than
learn to play Test cricket by playing Test cricket, and.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
We shouldn't forget that, you know, of all the formats,
the Test cricket is going to expose weaknesses very much more,
you know, obviously than playing a shorter format game. So
you know, that's what's happened this time. England that played
them as well in a four day match, if you remember,
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that was over in three days as well. England assisted
them a little bit to get over there. They paid
for some of the money to get the side over there,
and maybe that's the way sides or the ICC can
help these things happen if they want to grow the game.
And you know that, I'm quite keen on that. That's
what the sorts of things that they're going to have
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to do. So I hope that does happen, and these
other sides are going to get more games from now on.
It's the same for Afghanistan. It's the same for Ireland
as well. They've been around since what twenty seventeen. I
bet they haven't had ten or twelve tests yet. I
know that Zimbabwe have had a few more recently, but
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I've had ten. Yeah they have, that's right. Yeah, Well
that's great and that'll be quite costly for them, but
they'll be improving as they go. So look, hope they
I hope they get some help. I hope that their cricket,
the components of their cricket can get better and improve,
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so the coaching, the batting and the fielding and so on.
And then of course they blessing Mura Baraney isn't too bad,
does he? I mean, he's he can improve, yep, exactly,
So good luck to them, Well done New Zealand. But
let's help Zimbabwe and it was a good thing to do.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Well, I think the ICC are trying to do that.
But what they do with the Test Match Championship, of course, is.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Going to have an impact on them.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And I mean that's an issue that we can discuss
in greater depth further down the track, because you've got
to have that second tier. They can't play the top tier,
can they? Afghanistan, Ireland. They've got to earn the right
to play in the top tier. And I'm a believer.
I don't know how you feel about the two tier system,
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but I'm a believer in doing it that way and
having an automatic promotion relegation. And we can probably get
Lawrence Booth back on that at some stays because we
talked about that with him when we spoke earlier in
the year, didn't we.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Yeah, I think that the two divisions. I mean, I
feel a little bit for Pakistan. You know, you think
a few years ago they were one of the top sides,
weren't they. I mean they had They've always had outstanding
individual players, not so much a team concept when you
think of them, but they are very colorful side. They've
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been you know, they won World Cups and they won
t twenties, you know, and they're always hard to beat,
weren't they and test matches when you went back a
few years. But they've of course, they can't make money
so much nowadays. India don't play them, you don't get
an injection of cash and their players don't play in
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the IPL, so that's a bit hard that to me.
They're going to be quite close to getting up into
that top division, but they've probably been in the second
one at the start. And so look what's I think
these sides that we're talking about now, the lower group,
they'll be very good for them that they'll be playing,
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I think, and they'll have to work their way up.
I'm not so sure of the automatic. Maybe they have
to play a game, a match something like that to
get up there to prove that they can play in
that first division and then move through if they beat them.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yep, that should be the way that it's done.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
And you know, we look forward to what the ICC
comes up with when it gets together and decides what
the Test Match Championship is going to be. Like I'm
going to ask you a question I haven't prepared you for, Jerry, No, Yes, yeah,
I was caught. I was caught out, so I hope
you can be. We had three players on debut in
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the Test match in Bulaweo.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
The last time we had that many.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
We had actually four on debut and that was against Zimbabwe.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Really against Zimbabwe? Whether it was it a home series
or was it was it was the home series?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yes, now tell you what happened away from me, I can't.
I picked it up after I was given one of
the names, and one of the names was Greg Loveridge.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Well that's New Zealand. Of course, the league spy who
injured injured his hand off the poor.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Guy that was That was the one. And and then
I remember I remembered that two others Nathan Astall was
one of them who made his debut in that Test
manage Jeff Allen, and another young fast bowler, Robert Kennedy.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Robert Kennedy, Right, I was going to say Murphy Sewer,
but Murphy Sewer came in earlier. Yeah he was, wasn't he?
But I remember him playing in Hamilton, remember against the
Pakistan side.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yes, well that was it. But I mean it's it's interesting,
you know, we sort of see a lot of this
cricket and we probably both did that game in Hamilton
against the Barbie.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
I think we broke his nump.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, but you know, to remember back who the four
her who made their debut was a challenging question and
I had to make a fall of myself and pretend
I knew without knowing.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
On a live interview.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
No, well, I wouldn't have guessed Nathan Astell. We'll leading
out to think of him as a long time player,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Well this is back in ninety six. I think it
was nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Ok, yeah, so we were just young boys with hair
and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know we're.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Going to stand by four. Remember this. We're going to
recall a match in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Was Ken Rutherford, Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot,
on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
We remember this and we go back thirty three years.
It's quite interesting to reflect on the tours that you
have made. Thirty three years ago they made their first
ever tour of Zimbabwe and I've got to say that
was a bizarre tour in terms of some of the
things that happened. And somebody who was on that tour
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in nineteen ninety two, thirty three years ago. His memory
is still in place, is Ken Rutherfand who will remember
the Test match at Harari in particular for a partnership
with Martin craw Good, we've be able to join us
ruds thing for your time. You remember much about that
tour that I think you put one hundred and seventy
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hundred and eighty with Ogan.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
We did Martin and I and yeah, I don remember
quite about that tour. Was it was a very short one,
wasn't it? Like the actual cricket was well, a couple
of one day games and a couple of Test matches.
The one day games that played during the Test match,
I think the Hurrah we played the first day of
the Test match and they had a day off and
played the day off we played the second day. It
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was a one international, so quite bizarre. I'm picking probably
wasn't the same pitch, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
But I mean when you look at the Zimbabwe team
back in those days, it was a pretty good side.
I mean you had the Flower Rothers and Alister Campbell
was a good player. Andy Pycroft, who of course is
still Metch refereeing at the moment, and back at ninety two,
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I've been playing against Andy in eighty four when a
young news on the side went to Zimbabwe. I think
Andy might have been the captain of that Zimbabwe. So
I went the fresh out of becoming an independent nation.
And of course David Houghton, who I recall very much
is one of the finest players of spin bowling that
I ever played against and saw so a very handy
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betting lineup. A few bowlers here I can't recall Gary
Croker or Crocker, David Brain, not too sure about David,
but a very very final spinner. And John Trikos who
probably in ninety nine two wards would have been well
into his early forties.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I'd imagine, yeah, he was getting on and he played
well into his forties two if I remember rightly, did
you think it was quite bizarre to actually start a
Test match and then play do I in the.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Middle of it.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
They wanted to make sure the Saturday crowd was a
big one for the for the ODI because that's what
people were watching even in those days, wasn't it?
Speaker 5 (33:34):
It was?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And I do recall that ODI on was on the
weekend Brian because it was a big crowd and Zimbawi
better first than I see from the schoolcard. Got two
silly one memorable in the first wicket partnership Andy Flower
and Grant Flair. How how how the wicket the first
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we was taken. It was Depec Patel. I remember being
at cover of the mid wicked and I think Craye
was a cover of wick at the other side, obviously
left hand right hand in combination. And I remember they
were just playing tip and run there after Peck basically
just dropping the ball with their feet and running and
the non striker which if a Flower wanted to be well,
they're both doing it. Were halfway down the pitch for
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the time, the fewer to grab the ball, so could
warn them and warn them and warn them, look at
you if you're back up again, We're going to take
the balls off and do the men cad And eventually
our patients was so we tested and it happened, and
I remember the crowd, the very boisterous crowd, a few
Castle lagers under their belt. They didn't like it much.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
To tell them we could take it continues the attack
and has finally run out and he brunt the bar
and he's done the man Cad. He's been backing up
and backing up the whole time, and to back the
Dell has warned him on numerous occasions and has finally
run him out of the non strikers again for continuous
backing up and the boat an unwritten lore of the
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game that's not to be done. But I guess there
comes a time when it must.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Be got divide to Yeah, they love to clean out
that Castle Laga.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It was a great ground, wasn't it? In Harari?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
It was right next door to Robert mcgarby's residents the prison.
You weren't allowed to walk down the street outside his residence,
which I found, to my cost was almost being arrested
by a baynut wielding soldier. But they had good facilities,
didn't they. And I think it was the local drinking
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establishment too, wasn't it inside the ground there?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I know quite well was because when I spent some
time in Southern Africa, I used to go Harari recently
off and I used to go to the pub called
the Kegan Maiden that was killed and it was a
buddy good spot. I well recall a story of a
very good maid of mine and Joe Burg a wealthy guy.
He owned a helicopter and he decided one evening that
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the next day England were playing Zimbabwe in a one
day in to national he thought he'd take his helicopter
from then Siria Airport and Johannesburg to Harari can go
and watch the cricket for the day, which he did.
A couple of mates and they got as far as
the kegan made and never got outside the kicking bag.
And they could have been in any pub anywhere in
the world and watched the cricket. But they've taken their
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helicopter to the ground. That's a terrific ground and the
facilities are very very good and terrific hetmosphere. There are
two wards and the pitch had a bit. I remember
the likes of your Peter Wilson's earlier time, and these
quick bowlers they certainly got a bit out of it.
You know. Brandis, of course is there bit quick at
the time on the ninety two tour, and he was
a good bowler, big tall slinging action in me.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yeah, And then of course they had he streaked, didn't they.
He came later a few years after that, but boy
he was. He was a very very good cricketer. Remembering
back to that Test match, the partnership with Martin Crowe.
You would have had a few partnerships with him in
the time you played Test cricket together.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
He'd be a joyed about was, wouldn't he.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I've always said there's two batsmen that I feel absolutely
honored to the other end to Watson and Martin was
was number one by some stretch. But I did play
a bit of cricket and in st Abriga at Transvold
and how Ting and Daryl Cullenan played for a couple
of years with us, and my word, what a fine
player he was, and a terrific player. Fast by and
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this similary ilk really to the way Crowry played, you know,
classical techniques. Loved the pauls and the hooks and the cutshots.
So and Crowe and I to put on have a
few good partnerships for a call. And then one day
came a Karasbrook and Duned and against India and managed
Probaco and Capel Dev and these guys were were bowling.
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I just just wanted to get a single, get get
Martin on stride and he just completely destroyed them at
the other end. So great player and on in this
tour of ninety two, of course he was captain. This
probably was the first tour Brian after the ninety two.
Will cupolded me, I don't think we did tour after
the ninety you know, that would have been March ninety
two and imasion. This is put a No two, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
And not after long after that. I think he went
off to Sri Lanka as well, didn't you after that tour.
I remember there was a bit of controversy at the
end of that Test match, Martin didn't dear himself to
the to the local fans and their sponsors.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Was a sign on the boundary something like that.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yeah, since it's something like that, Yeah, yeah, No, they
had a They just come into Test cricket and they
played India as their first Test match at home and
it had been draw and the sign was up there.
Of course Castle Laga was plasted all the way around
the ground there. But on top of that sign was
Zimbabwe the only unbeaten Test team, And of course, when
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Hogan had won that Test match, he decided that that
was no longer true.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That's exactly right. I do recall that the Test match itself,
remember it in that back bowl very very well. I
think it was two really good bowling for the Murvie
so got fired for in the first things. And you
know when Movie got it right then you know the
left arm swing was from off to the leg and
to the right hand. It was was always you know,
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it was always pretty awesome when he got when he
got the rhythm right, dip that bowl like a dream
and on a wick it was just to tear the
last and the fourth.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Things interesting to remember that match now and he's yeald
the rooms and Barbie, did you get much time to
keep a check on the team playing in the match there?
And particularly the bowling of Matt Henry Boy, he's had
a good eighteen months, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, he's been the top I think he isn't the
top five to six bottles in the world at the moment, Brian,
isn't he Matt? And when you think he said when
he when he came onto the scene as he was
sort of third or fourth foot, or wasn't he to
bolt Soudi and Wagner and probably didn't get the best
opportunities in terms of the best. Didn't get the new
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ball for a start, did he the first three or
four years of his career. But he always sensed that
there was something there. And certainly when he went and
played county cricket for likes of Worcester and other teams
in the county Championship, he was always one of the
best bowlers in four d A cricket and county crickets.
So you always thought there was something there, And certainly,
as you said, over the last eighteen to twenty four months,
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he's he swept all before him, and good on him.
The a bowl was quickly enough to me. He gets
up around the sort of late one thirties one forty
regular occasion, he swings the all nicely. He's got this
what they call the wobble scene delivery now, which they're
all talking about, which is to my eye anyway, it's
a bit of a cross Semer and Nos, he's got
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it all, and he's he's kind of fulfilling that kind
of birth now as the elder statesman to some extent,
he's not that old, but he's with all these new
young players like Sears and are all coming through the system.
He's the perfect foil in terms of showing these youngsters
how to do it.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah, encouraging science for New Zealand, doesn't it. You know
we won the T twenty competition there and you know
we're developing a lot of good players at the top
level and they're getting clining at cricket.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
And I guess it's the nation of the Beast, now,
wasn't it. With the franchise cricket around the world, we
can't rely on always having our best of best available,
so we've got to nursery out our depth. I can't
recall a time in U Zealand cricket history, Brian where
we've probably had as much depth that we've got. We
seem to have probably a group if you include the
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franchise players, probably got a group of twenty to twenty
five who any given time could play for New Zealand
and a number of really good all round us there.
Nathan Smith's a good player with O'Rourke's incredible talent with
the ball. Now we've got a whole swagger batsman who
can do do various jobs for us. So Gary Stead,
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you've got to say he's left a heck of a
legacy for Rob Waller to to continue with.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, it's exciting from New Zealand and just to finish off,
I would be unwise to not reflect on your role
now a spatchman from the Deep South.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
In charge at Northern Districts. How's it going with the Knights?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, it's going well. What's today it's I've been about
three months in the job now once it's for four months,
it's it's going well. It's it's great to be back
involved with cricket. Obviously, there are a few challenges in
the game. I think a lot of sports around the
countryside have have challenges to his participation, particularly in the
recreation or community space and creckit's no different. Fundings an
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issue will continue to be but we've just got to
work with the resources we have and do the best
that we possibly can. And I think as key we
cricketers in the Creditt community here where we're pretty good
at doing that. We're pretty good with making the most
of what we've got so enjoying it. It's obviously nd
being the region that it's plenty of miles to do
up and down there, up to the far North and
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across the Poverty Bay and up to places like the
Mount mot and Fokatani and obviously pook A Cali place
to let to so a lot, a lot of bass,
but she was. It's looking forward to the first season,
looking for looking forward to doing a few laps of
the grounds around around our region.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
That's great, Thanks very much for joining us and sharing
us some memories from Zimbabwe. Hopefully we'll see you and
perhaps talk to you throughout the summerment's coming up, because
you know you've got international teams up in that part
of the world.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I think first of.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
October Australia player at the Bayo weren't they three three
t twenties at the start of October and then towards
the end of October and the here to play a
few a few fifty over games. We've got one here
at Sedam Park, so we'll see how Brendan McCallum and
Tim Selli and Jeet and Pattel and me. The brains
Trust of England now so very key we look to it,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yes, indeed, well we'll welcome them as we generally do,
so that'll be great to see.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Thanks your time. Rudds to do you sometime during the season. Thanks, Ken.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah, they were certainly some bizarre moments in that series
in Zimbabwe, but it was doing it. But then it
was our first tour to that part of the world,
Jerry and I remember vividly the situation with Martin Crowe.
Martin got offended by this sign, big sign on the
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ground that said Zimbabwe the only unbeaten Test match team
and he went up there and upset the fans by
ripping it down because he's ild had won the Test
in Harari and it was it was truly Hogan stuff,
wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
That would be that, that would be Hogue. He would
certainly try and I know he got one hundred and forty,
didn't he in one of those innings he batted?
Speaker 3 (44:59):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
That would have been a high motivation for him to
let them know he and Rudds had you just talking
to us. He did quite well as well, got runs
in both innings, didn't he. And Murphy Sewer was in
that game actually, I think.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
He might have got five or.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Six, did he? Yeah, well, that that Zimbabwe side. If
I'm right or wrong, what's had the had the two
Flower brothers, didn't it? Andy and Grant yep, the bowler,
and Andy of course the wicket keeper who became the
coach of England. They had Alistair Campbell who was another
one that I do remember. And of Edo Brandis of
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course the chicken farmer. We remember that joke, but we
can't say that John Tricos, the old off spinner. Remember
he came over in the one in the World Cup
when it was in New Zealand and Australia. Yes, and
I think Dave fours And too might have been the
captain at that time. They see how they gathered together
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at various times a happy coincidence. You can get some
quite good players together. And if you remember the heath
Street phase too, wasn't it Brothers were there they actually
beat New Zealand I think in Auckland at one stage too.
They can get they can actually put together some good players.
They'll be okay.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Yep, and hopefully they're able to develop the kind of
players because we saw, you know, glimpses of that Mazarabani
Bennett didn't get too many runs. I suppose it was
disappointing they had to bring a thirty nine year old
back to bet best for them Brendan Taylor after serving.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
His free expension.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
But I remember him on a previous tour over there.
He was playing, So you know they've got the will.
That's whether I've got the people enough people to develop
their game. But I think the point you made earlier, Jerry,
about sending a teams is probably a good run because
when you captain decided the Pakistan and eighty f War,
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some of the players came from a tour of m Barbwie,
didn't They an a team from New Zealand went there
prior to the trip to Pakistan.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
They did. That was the one where Chopp was captain actually,
and that one and we joined them. Yeah, the rest
of us joined them in Pakistan. So that's right. And look,
let's hope that they can get things together because the
more that more people that play the game was the better.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Yep too, right, Well, I hope you're enjoying your Metro
Bank and I'm sure, I'm sure you're watching the Hundred.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
I'll bet you're watching the bit of the Hundred.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
Haven't seen the game yet? Was haven't seen of course,
So you know me, I try I try to just
stick to the things I enjoy. Now, I think we've
got to, don't. We have our times limited and we've
got to week. We've got to do things that we
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that mean things to us, not not things that are
meaning less. So no, I won't be watching any of those,
but I'll be there with the Metro Cup. You're right,
quite right, I'll be there. I think my next one's
next week sometime. Yep.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I'll enjoy your holiday over there, and you'll be back
to a nice cold.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Winter of the waders at the moment, so doubt the
enjoy yourself.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Yeah right, Well, I have to change my jarmis when
I come home, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, long jammies, aren't.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
I bet you we're long jarmies? Do you want you? Yeah?
That's got to keep walk ye good man.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
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Speaker 4 (00:51):
The Black Cat produced the result expected from the Bibwe
Test series without letting this standard slip and introduced a
new talent to increase the debt. Has two three day
defeats done anything for zimbabwek How can they lift this standard?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
There's some talent in their ranks.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
And thirty three years on from the New Zealand's first
test trip to Zimbabwe, one of the original teams recall
some bizarre events on that tour, but time to review
the series.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
As Jeremy Caney, he's in the.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
United Kingdom enjoying the delights of domestic one day.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Forget Jerry, what I'm doing the Metro Bank one day
cut I know I know three of three of the players.
I can't pretend you know, I just I say, there's
this fellow left handed or right.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Hand you know, you know you're doing the same team, aren't.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
You, well one of the teams, yes, Surny but yeah,
so anyway, Oen and they're out out grounds, which is
they're not at the main ground, so you get pictures
that are slightly variable, in this case extremely so and
bouncing a great deal and like tennis by real ten
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a small bounce.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
So anyway, No, but I've been watching some of it
on the cricket website, the English Cricket website, and they
seem to be getting good numbers there.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So they're providing cricket for the people.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Aren't they. Oh, definitely, definitely. I mean you get in
a large county like Surrey to have a game that's
down towards a lot of the people that follow Surrey
and are in the actual county itself. They poured and
that we had. You know, they're small grounds and so
you're own two thousand fills it up. But they certainly
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got that. So no, they do a good jobs.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
That's great.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
And you know, I mean we see a lot of
domestic cricket where not many people go to in New
Zealand outside the internationals, and you know it provides cricket
for the public.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
So a nine we could win and an innings and
three hundred and fifty nine runs one way traffic for
a depleted team that still managed to play quality performances
both individually and as a team, particularly in that second Test.
Standing captain for the injured Tom Lathan, Mitchell Santner had
the luxury of reflecting on some positives in Bulaway.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
You know, we are challenge of times throughout the game,
and I guess we kind of got through those periods
and yeah, I guess we cashed in. I think the
way we bowled, especially in the first innings, there's probably
a little bit there, but yes, obviously gets them barbwe
o for one twenty that firstnings and then we could
really cash in with a bat and so yeah, I
can't really complain about anything during this game.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
He certainly couldn't have had any complaints about one of
the successes seam bowler new boy Zach Fuchs.
Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah, obviously we've seen you know, Zach and some of
the white ball stuff, and I guess here you know,
someone who can kind of swinging into the right handers.
You don't see that often, so I guess another addition
to our attack with the guys, you know, moving the
ball away. So yeah, he was outstanding. You know when
the lefties come on, he's he looks pretty pretty tough
to play and yeah, to get I guess one in
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the game on debus.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
And for folks it seemed all quite overwhelming.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
Yeah, still hasn't really kicked in, to be honest. Yeah,
it's all happened pretty quick. Yeah, it was awesome to
be out there with the guys. Yeah, I don't really
know too much, she has to say. Yeah, it was
all a little bit rushed. Yeah, I've been on a
White Bull diet, so the prospect of bowling a few
more overs and stuff. Yeah, definitely felt felt a bit
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sore on day two. Thankfully we didn't have to bowl
on day two, which was nice. Yeah, that was cool, cool,
get it back into Red Bull cricket.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Fochs was one of three bowlers on debut and he
acknowledged the others played an important part as well.
Speaker 7 (04:53):
Yeah, it's also it's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, really cool
Duffs sort of taken me under his wing, which is nice.
We've played played a little bit together for the black Cats,
which is cool. And then first year it's awesome to
see what he done in the last few years. And yeah,
it was awesome to see what he did out there.
He's buying pretty quick in the nets the other day,
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which wasn't wasn't too nice, but not awesome to see
both those guys get a crack and do so well.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Calm and measured as ever Santana had praised for Ratch
and Reminder, who was unwell heading into the Test.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
Yeah, I guess in the last kind of a few
years he's shown us his talents, you know, at ICC
events and the white ball and now obviously in the
Test stuff as well. Yeah, I mean, I guess that
the how freely he scores, you know, I mean that
that knock run a ball in that kind of stage
of the game for us was I guess I put
us in a position to really declare. I guess overnight,
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you know, even it only being deep two.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Moderates feelings for the host country up against a rampant
New Zealand attack.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
Yeah, I guess there's something you Yeah, I guess the
more you play and the more you are challenged in
different conditions against different opposition, you know, I guess you'd
learn and when you're in those you know, situations again
and you might potentially do it differently. I think this
is I mean, if you look at the score, potentially
a couple of tough series for ZIM, But you know,
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I think it's you know, you're challenging yourself against some
good attacks, especially the bat even with the ball, you know,
against some good batter. So you know, I think they'll
take learnings from both these series.
Speaker 7 (06:27):
You know.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
I guess the score looks like it was, you know,
a very one sided affair, but I think you know,
throughout this game and even the first, there was periods
where you know, we're under pressure, ZIM were on top,
and I think, you know, if you can kind of
weather those storms and kind of get through it, you'll
put yourself in a better position.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Good signs for the Black app She sitting home for
a bunch of T twenties and three tests with the
West Indies.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Yeah, I guess we Yeah, I think you reflect. I
guess on the series the good and I guess the bad,
and then like you said, it's we get back home
and I guess friendly conditions to what we're going to
get here. But you know, I think the way you know,
the new scene group this game stepped up, it puts
us in a great position for I guess when we
go home, we've got plenty of options with the ball.
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You know, Jamison will probably be back in. Kane's back
in as well with the bats, so it could be
a slightly different looking team. But yeah, I guess. You know,
guys who come in and step up straight away. It's
it's a great position to be.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
In on the front foot with one and Cody.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
One player who'll be happy with his performance. Played a
significant role in not only the one day victory but
also the Test series. Devin Conway top run score of
two hundred and forty five, runs average of eighty one
point six, seven scores of eighty eight and one hundred
and fifty three. Devin joins us on the front foot
and it must be pretty satisfied with that outcome from
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the Test series. Following on from the t twenties.
Speaker 8 (07:56):
Yeah, thanks for having me on the show, Brian. Yeah,
it's been a nice month for me here in Zim.
It was nice to get the opportunity initially in the
T twenty series and then to back it up being
involved in the Test series. It was nice to spend
some time out in the middle and yeah, contribute to
the team.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Yeah, because you don't do that often, do you. I
mean Test matches a few and far between. Now, you
haven't had one since last Christmas, and you've had a
diet of short form cricket, haven't you.
Speaker 8 (08:24):
Yeah, certainly. I think, as you say, my last Test
match for news End was just just just before my
daughter was born in December, so yeah, she's she's nearly
nearly eight months old now, so it's been a long
time since I've been involved in the red ball format.
But when I got the call from from Rob a
couple of months back saying I was involved in the
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Test series against them, I was grateful for that opportunity
to be back in that in that team.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
You were a pretty good form.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That must have been something that's special for you, because
I mean, form is important, doesn't it.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Yeah, certainly. I mean I think it was just initially
quite nice to get the opportunity off the bat and
then you had to try and contribute and play. You
know as a batter, you know that there's a lot
of ebbs and flows within within your career, So it
was nic just to go out there with freedom, just
with a fresh device and underplaying playing under Rob. So
it was quite nice just to get that opportunity and
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guard and express myself.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Is it much change from Gary Stead to Rob Walter.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
I wouldn't say there's major changes. I think it just
brings sort of a couple of fresh ideas, particularly in
the T twenty space, which was a nice opportunity to learn.
But in the red ball format, I think with the
leadership of Tom Latham and a couple of the other
senior guys, not much as has changed all that much.
But I think as we head into different series later
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on the year against Western As, we might see a
different style of playing or a different method in terms
of how rob Ones has to go about it.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
You talk about form a player who plays in both white,
white ball and red ball cricket.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Is there two types of form? Is there?
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Is there a test match form and a short form
form or is it do they just go hand in
hand in terms of how you prepare.
Speaker 8 (10:08):
I think they go hand in hand with how you
prepare I think, you know, I've been starved of red ball,
of a red ball diet, so for me, I was
quite hungry to sort of get into the nets and
sharpen up. And you know, I think the decision making
changes somewhat. You know, I think the patients side of
things too, But the overall intent looking to score, putting
ballers on the pressure doesn't change all that much. It's
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just a matter of just sharpening up and tightening up
your own game plans in the different formats.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
I suppose then it becomes more of a mental adjustment
rather than a technical adjustment in terms of how you
go about the game.
Speaker 8 (10:41):
Yeah, certainly, I think patients as well. I think, you know,
in the first test, I got eighty eight, as you mentioned,
and it felt like I've had it a very long time,
just because I hadn't had that diet or facing lots
of bowling. So it was nice just to be out
there and just be, you know, just batter and not worrying,
not worrying about strike rates, not worrying about overrates or
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anything like that. You're just going out there and just
reacting and just letting the ball come to you and
just playing the situation. As it comes.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, while the scoreboard might not suggest it, it seemed
from afar that they were challenging conditions you played in.
Speaker 8 (11:15):
Yeah, certainly, Brian. I think in that first Test particular
that that w could was certainly very sporty their their
bowlers with the with the new ball as well. They
challenged us as opening batters made it quite hard for us.
I think opening the batting with Will Young in the
series was great. You know, we we formed some decent
partnerships in both tests, and we sort of absorbed those
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pressure moments whenever we were put under pressure, so we
knew it was always going to be favorable to the
seemas with the pace and bounce that they had. But
we thankfully got through those new ball periods and made
a lot easier to score once the bor got soft
and older.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I'm intrigued by Mezerabani six foot six, He's got the
sort of height Darryl Mitchell spoke last week about him.
It reminds him of Kyle Jamison to some extent.
Speaker 8 (12:04):
Yes, certainly, he's he's been seriously hard work. You know,
you look at the amount of overs that he's bold
within this Test series. He's bold so much. He's actually bold,
way more than any of the other bowlers. You know,
just kept running in, didn't look like you got tired
at all. And yet, as you say, it's very tall,
pretty much similar to Kyle Jamison height and hits the
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wicket pretty hard, so made it quite uncomfortable for us
beat As you know, we always walked off thinking we
got challenged massively by Blessings, so it was a nice
opportunity to face him and learn from how he goes
about it.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, when these tests were announced, the expectation was that
New Zealand should be able to beat Zimbabwe, and so
it proved. But you still have to be conscious of
the fact you have standards and you've got to sustain
those standards, don't you.
Speaker 8 (12:50):
Yeah, certainly. I think quite often, you know, you can
put unnecessary pressure yourself with the expectation of winning games.
But we always reminded ourselves day in day out, we're
just competing more against ourselves, more against our standards, and
we tried to hold our hats on those. So we
try not to think about who we're playing against, but
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just being present and just doing the job at hand.
At prison moments.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
It must be also satisfying within the ranks. For new
players to come to the side, to be selected because
of various reasons injury or unavailability, and to see those
players step out must be encouraging for the depth of the.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
Team, very encouraging, I think. You know, you look at
some of the guys that came in, particularly in the
second Test. You know, had three debutantes. They all came in,
they all did a great job, and I think it's
a credit to the environment that we have at the
Black Caps that allows players to come in feel like
they belong and trust that they can do a job
for the team. And you know, when you have opportunities
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like that, it really shows the depth in which we
have in New Zealand cricket around you know, the bowling
attack and all the batter is coming through too.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, well that bowling, of course was important. Having lost
the likes of Sauvi, Bolt, Wagner, et cetera. We needed
new players and they've come through and you know, Will
O'Rourke and then new players in for this Test match.
They did the job, doesn't they.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
Oh, Matt Henry's been outstanding. He has just been a
class act for quite some time now. But I think
it's great just seeing these new guys come in and
really dominating from the first ball. You look at Zach Folks,
I mean, he's he just got best figures on debut,
tipping Willow Rock's best figures. So yeah, it just shows,
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you know, the competition for places now is going to
be interesting amongst the bowling and batting ranks. So it's
great that these guys have been given the opportunity and
they've performed. So you know, there might be some challenges
moving forward with the depth of balling we have.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Yeah, that's going to be interesting, of course because it's
only sort of three Test matches this year. Anyway, there's
a program next year. It's basically T twenty cricket, so
you have to really sustain the fitness and the preparation
work for that as well, don't you.
Speaker 8 (15:09):
Yeah, for sure, I think you know, everyone's going to
have their own individual programs. But you know, we have
been speaking about this World Test Championship cycle for the
next two years, so that is definitely a big focus.
Even though we're going to go into heavy diet of
white ball cricket, I think guars will certainly have that
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fitness aspect the workloads that you need to put in
for Red Bull cricket.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
I guess you have to be fit because you know,
there's so many chances to be injured, something you probably
understand as well as anybody at the moment, and nice
to be injury free from your point of view to
continue that challenge of T twenty and Test match cricket.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 8 (15:52):
I mean I have been unfortunately injured as of late,
but you know, I think the body is in a good,
good space now. I've got a nice month's breakoff now,
which is great for me physically. I can sort of
get into the gym and do lots of running sessions
to try and make sure that my body is ready
for the next you know, twelve months of a lot
of cricket coming up.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, well you'll have to do a lot of running
because it's quite cold back here and in the capital,
so you're be coming home to some fresh conditions.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Yeah, I've heard so. I sort of touch base with
family back home, and I think there's been three days
of continuous rain, so I'm not overly keen on coming
back to cold weather, but I think that's part of
the winter and I think that just gives me the
opportunity to get in the gym all the more you.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Have a break, and it's quite important to have that break.
Can you turn your mind off from cricket even when
you're having a.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Break, It's very hard. It's very hard to Brian. I
think it's one of the continuous challenges as a cricketer
that you know you're always constantly thinking or watching cricket.
I think for me personally, it will be a matter
of not heading balls or opening up my cricket bag
for at least two weeks, but certainly getting involved it
in a fitness program straight away. So that might just
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be my way of trying to disconnect a little bit
from cricket to still being still adding value in some
other way by doing my gym and running for BLICIT programs.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Well, there's a lot coming up of course. First of
October I think is the first match against the Australian.
So the congratulations on your efforts in Zimbabwe, as I say,
both important roles in the T twitty but also on
the testament side, and I hope you get that break
and refreshment that the body needs ready for water is
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a big summer.
Speaker 8 (17:38):
Yeah, thanks a lot, Brian. We certainly are looking forward
to a great summer ahead, you know, as you say,
we've got the Assis coming, We've got the English coming
in the West Indies in the Red Bull format. So
looking forward to the break, but also seriously looking forward
to the summer coming.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Up, Brian Waddell. Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
So success for the New Zealanders and we expected it anyway.
They were much too strong for the Simbabwe side Jeremy Coney.
But plenty to be enthusiastic about a part from the results,
the individual performances and new players getting a chance at
Test level and fitting in well.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
No, very good in the second Test, wasn't it really?
The three new players all in the bowling attack Fuchs
Obviously he claims the headlines if you like, with nine wickets,
but getting people out I think obviously moved the ball
a lot. I didn't see it was, but I can.
I can just tell. And after watching him in the
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A Tour and things like that, he's able to do
that and he gets people out the right way. And
I had a quick look at the scorecard and it
was court third slip port, second slip court legue, slip LBW,
couple of bowls. You know, probably that people aren't being
caught on the edge, you know, those kinds of things.
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So he had a really good day. But you can't
get much better than that. I think it was the
most a man on debut, most wickets, wasn't it or
something like that performance. Yeah, yeah, And of course the
other two Duffy, Duffy, you know, he's obviously going to
be playing soon. He got a couple of wickets, got
a court and bold, he batted and got thirty odd
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with his with his night watch we have to say,
we can't say night watch men, no, not allowed. And
then and then of course Fisher, you had eleven overs
and got two for thirty odd. Reasonably tight. It looked
like in the first innings and in the second when
the other side were about to lose, weren't they. They
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obviously had a bit of a crack and he had
a slightly different kind of you know, to fight a
different thing, which is being hit a little bit more
than he was in the first innings. That won't hurt
him at all, So you know, overall, and Henry getting
sixteen wickets in a couple of Tests, that's great. He
continues his his push to get you know, he started
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very slowly, as I think we said last week, but
he's worked up better and better and better, hasn't he.
He's had a really good tour. Good to see Conway
getting one hundred and fifty. That's great attacking innings from Ravendra.
Obviously Nichols got a hundred as well. So none of
the Zimbabwe innings got to two hundred. In fact, one
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sixty five was I noticed was the top score in
the Tests. And yeah, look I think no one got
a fifty against New Zealand. So as you say, standards
have been upheld.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Yeah, and I think it's important that those batsmen, while
the quality of the bowling wasn't great, we're able to
score hundreds, We're able to form partnerships, we're able to
do all the Test match things against the side that
basically probably didn't come up to the sort of standard
you expect from most Test match sides.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Well, it exposed a large gap between the sides, didn't it.
I mean Zimbabwe don't play top sides at all. Really.
They'll play Ireland and the Afghanistan and they'll play Bangladesh
and that's that's kind of about it, isn't it. They're
quite a young side clearly, and they're obviously going to
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have to work very hard. The whole of the cricket business.
That's the pitch people, you know who who make and
comprise those pitches. The grounds have to be good, the
outfields have to be good, and then of course the
actual just the three skills, whether it's batting, bowling or fielding.
They've got to somehow work out very clearly how they're
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going to go about it and have very clear thoughts
in their minds. I think they've got a gunna star next.
I think I suppose you asked yourself, is it good
for them? Well, you know, once upon a time was
that was us?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Wasn't right?
Speaker 5 (22:02):
And we when we used to play Australia and teams
like that, that's that's that's what we had to confront
as well. And we were part of as as Zimbabwe
as they're really a de facto Division two side, aren't
they so until and England helped us a great deal
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by continually coming between forty six when we played the
Assis and when we started again in seventy three playing
their top side. But what they did Ossie apart from England.
You know, we obviously that we played their better sides
and we had a very strong economic tie with them
and trade right through that time, didn't we, So they
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were we had ties between the two countries anyway. With Australia,
we played B teams, didn't we, if you remember, that's right,
And they put young teams and didn't they They put
young players about to be in the in the full
Australian side when they went to Land. They slowly, I think,
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helped us along the way to get better and better
until we got to Graham Dowling side in nineteen sixty nine.
We were beating their B teams when the Aussies came out,
and you know, with Brian Hastings and all those people.
Turner was around at that time as well. We had
some good batsman Bruce Murray, and we were becoming much
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stronger in the bowling as well. So maybe that's the
way that Zimbabwe could go rather than sending the top side.
This one wasn't the total top side, but it was
strong whell. Maybe we sended eighteen there with a couple
of stronger guys and maybe that's the way they can
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work their way up.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
Well, I think South Africa can play a part in
that for Zimbabwe. I mean, I don't know the political
scenario over there, but surely the Zimbabwe domestic competition in
some way could be filtered into what they do in
South Africa. I know they say they're playing more short
form cricket than Test match, but the quality would be
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good if they could do that. They're quite close enough
that they could have South African eight teams there. I mean,
the South Africans were there for the short form competition
in the tea twenties.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
There's plenty of room to do that and that would help.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Zimbabwe get the quality of opposition they need rather than
learn to play Test cricket by playing Test cricket, and.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
We shouldn't forget that, you know, of all the formats,
the Test cricket is going to expose weaknesses very much more,
you know, obviously than playing a shorter format game. So
you know, that's what's happened this time. England that played
them as well in a four day match, if you remember,
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that was over in three days as well. England assisted
them a little bit to get over there. They paid
for some of the money to get the side over there,
and maybe that's the way sides or the ICC can
help these things happen if they want to grow the game.
And you know that, I'm quite keen on that. That's
what the sorts of things that they're going to have
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to do. So I hope that does happen, and these
other sides are going to get more games from now on.
It's the same for Afghanistan. It's the same for Ireland
as well. They've been around since what twenty seventeen. I
bet they haven't had ten or twelve tests yet. I
know that Zimbabwe have had a few more recently, but
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I've had ten. Yeah they have, that's right. Yeah, Well
that's great and that'll be quite costly for them, but
they'll be improving as they go. So look, hope they
I hope they get some help. I hope that their cricket,
the components of their cricket can get better and improve,
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so the coaching, the batting and the fielding and so on.
And then of course they blessing Mura Baraney isn't too bad,
does he? I mean, he's he can improve, yep, exactly,
So good luck to them, Well done New Zealand. But
let's help Zimbabwe and it was a good thing to do.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Well, I think the ICC are trying to do that.
But what they do with the Test Match Championship, of course, is.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Going to have an impact on them.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
And I mean that's an issue that we can discuss
in greater depth further down the track, because you've got
to have that second tier. They can't play the top tier,
can they? Afghanistan, Ireland. They've got to earn the right
to play in the top tier. And I'm a believer.
I don't know how you feel about the two tier system,
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but I'm a believer in doing it that way and
having an automatic promotion relegation. And we can probably get
Lawrence Booth back on that at some stays because we
talked about that with him when we spoke earlier in
the year, didn't we.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Yeah, I think that the two divisions. I mean, I
feel a little bit for Pakistan. You know, you think
a few years ago they were one of the top sides,
weren't they. I mean they had They've always had outstanding
individual players, not so much a team concept when you
think of them, but they are very colorful side. They've
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been you know, they won World Cups and they won
t twenties, you know, and they're always hard to beat,
weren't they and test matches when you went back a
few years. But they've of course, they can't make money
so much nowadays. India don't play them, you don't get
an injection of cash and their players don't play in
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the IPL, so that's a bit hard that to me.
They're going to be quite close to getting up into
that top division, but they've probably been in the second
one at the start. And so look what's I think
these sides that we're talking about now, the lower group,
they'll be very good for them that they'll be playing,
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I think, and they'll have to work their way up.
I'm not so sure of the automatic. Maybe they have
to play a game, a match something like that to
get up there to prove that they can play in
that first division and then move through if they beat them.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yep, that should be the way that it's done.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
And you know, we look forward to what the ICC
comes up with when it gets together and decides what
the Test Match Championship is going to be. Like I'm
going to ask you a question I haven't prepared you for, Jerry, No, Yes, yeah,
I was caught. I was caught out, so I hope
you can be. We had three players on debut in
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the Test match in Bulaweo.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
The last time we had that many.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
We had actually four on debut and that was against Zimbabwe.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Really against Zimbabwe? Whether it was it a home series
or was it was it was the home series?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yes, now tell you what happened away from me, I can't.
I picked it up after I was given one of
the names, and one of the names was Greg Loveridge.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
Well that's New Zealand. Of course, the league spy who
injured injured his hand off the poor.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Guy that was That was the one. And and then
I remember I remembered that two others Nathan Astall was
one of them who made his debut in that Test
manage Jeff Allen, and another young fast bowler, Robert Kennedy.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
Robert Kennedy, Right, I was going to say Murphy Sewer,
but Murphy Sewer came in earlier. Yeah he was, wasn't he?
But I remember him playing in Hamilton, remember against the
Pakistan side.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yes, well that was it. But I mean it's it's interesting,
you know, we sort of see a lot of this
cricket and we probably both did that game in Hamilton
against the Barbie.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
I think we broke his nump.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, but you know, to remember back who the four
her who made their debut was a challenging question and
I had to make a fall of myself and pretend
I knew without knowing.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
On a live interview.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
No, well, I wouldn't have guessed Nathan Astell. We'll leading
out to think of him as a long time player,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Well this is back in ninety six. I think it
was nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Ok, yeah, so we were just young boys with hair
and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know we're.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Going to stand by four. Remember this. We're going to
recall a match in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Was Ken Rutherford, Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney on the front foot,
on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
We remember this and we go back thirty three years.
It's quite interesting to reflect on the tours that you
have made. Thirty three years ago they made their first
ever tour of Zimbabwe and I've got to say that
was a bizarre tour in terms of some of the
things that happened. And somebody who was on that tour
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in nineteen ninety two, thirty three years ago. His memory
is still in place, is Ken Rutherfand who will remember
the Test match at Harari in particular for a partnership
with Martin craw Good, we've be able to join us
ruds thing for your time. You remember much about that
tour that I think you put one hundred and seventy
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hundred and eighty with Ogan.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
We did Martin and I and yeah, I don remember
quite about that tour. Was it was a very short one,
wasn't it? Like the actual cricket was well, a couple
of one day games and a couple of Test matches.
The one day games that played during the Test match,
I think the Hurrah we played the first day of
the Test match and they had a day off and
played the day off we played the second day. It
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was a one international, so quite bizarre. I'm picking probably
wasn't the same pitch, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't.
But I mean when you look at the Zimbabwe team
back in those days, it was a pretty good side.
I mean you had the Flower Rothers and Alister Campbell
was a good player. Andy Pycroft, who of course is
still Metch refereeing at the moment, and back at ninety two,
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I've been playing against Andy in eighty four when a
young news on the side went to Zimbabwe. I think
Andy might have been the captain of that Zimbabwe. So
I went the fresh out of becoming an independent nation.
And of course David Houghton, who I recall very much
is one of the finest players of spin bowling that
I ever played against and saw so a very handy
(32:55):
betting lineup. A few bowlers here I can't recall Gary
Croker or Crocker, David Brain, not too sure about David,
but a very very final spinner. And John Trikos who
probably in ninety nine two wards would have been well
into his early forties.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
I'd imagine, yeah, he was getting on and he played
well into his forties two if I remember rightly, did
you think it was quite bizarre to actually start a
Test match and then play do I in the.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Middle of it.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
They wanted to make sure the Saturday crowd was a
big one for the for the ODI because that's what
people were watching even in those days, wasn't it?
Speaker 5 (33:34):
It was?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
And I do recall that ODI on was on the
weekend Brian because it was a big crowd and Zimbawi
better first than I see from the schoolcard. Got two
silly one memorable in the first wicket partnership Andy Flower
and Grant Flair. How how how the wicket the first
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we was taken. It was Depec Patel. I remember being
at cover of the mid wicked and I think Craye
was a cover of wick at the other side, obviously
left hand right hand in combination. And I remember they
were just playing tip and run there after Peck basically
just dropping the ball with their feet and running and
the non striker which if a Flower wanted to be well,
they're both doing it. Were halfway down the pitch for
(34:16):
the time, the fewer to grab the ball, so could
warn them and warn them and warn them, look at
you if you're back up again, We're going to take
the balls off and do the men cad And eventually
our patients was so we tested and it happened, and
I remember the crowd, the very boisterous crowd, a few
Castle lagers under their belt. They didn't like it much.
Speaker 9 (34:35):
To tell them we could take it continues the attack
and has finally run out and he brunt the bar
and he's done the man Cad. He's been backing up
and backing up the whole time, and to back the
Dell has warned him on numerous occasions and has finally
run him out of the non strikers again for continuous
backing up and the boat an unwritten lore of the
(34:57):
game that's not to be done. But I guess there
comes a time when it must.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Be got divide to Yeah, they love to clean out
that Castle Laga.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
It was a great ground, wasn't it? In Harari?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
It was right next door to Robert mcgarby's residents the prison.
You weren't allowed to walk down the street outside his residence,
which I found, to my cost was almost being arrested
by a baynut wielding soldier. But they had good facilities,
didn't they. And I think it was the local drinking
(35:30):
establishment too, wasn't it inside the ground there?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I know quite well was because when I spent some
time in Southern Africa, I used to go Harari recently
off and I used to go to the pub called
the Kegan Maiden that was killed and it was a
buddy good spot. I well recall a story of a
very good maid of mine and Joe Burg a wealthy guy.
He owned a helicopter and he decided one evening that
(35:56):
the next day England were playing Zimbabwe in a one
day in to national he thought he'd take his helicopter
from then Siria Airport and Johannesburg to Harari can go
and watch the cricket for the day, which he did.
A couple of mates and they got as far as
the kegan made and never got outside the kicking bag.
And they could have been in any pub anywhere in
the world and watched the cricket. But they've taken their
(36:17):
helicopter to the ground. That's a terrific ground and the
facilities are very very good and terrific hetmosphere. There are
two wards and the pitch had a bit. I remember
the likes of your Peter Wilson's earlier time, and these
quick bowlers they certainly got a bit out of it.
You know. Brandis, of course is there bit quick at
the time on the ninety two tour, and he was
a good bowler, big tall slinging action in me.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Yeah, And then of course they had he streaked, didn't they.
He came later a few years after that, but boy
he was. He was a very very good cricketer. Remembering
back to that Test match, the partnership with Martin Crowe.
You would have had a few partnerships with him in
the time you played Test cricket together.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
He'd be a joyed about was, wouldn't he.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I've always said there's two batsmen that I feel absolutely
honored to the other end to Watson and Martin was
was number one by some stretch. But I did play
a bit of cricket and in st Abriga at Transvold
and how Ting and Daryl Cullenan played for a couple
of years with us, and my word, what a fine
player he was, and a terrific player. Fast by and
(37:25):
this similary ilk really to the way Crowry played, you know,
classical techniques. Loved the pauls and the hooks and the cutshots.
So and Crowe and I to put on have a
few good partnerships for a call. And then one day
came a Karasbrook and Duned and against India and managed
Probaco and Capel Dev and these guys were were bowling.
(37:46):
I just just wanted to get a single, get get
Martin on stride and he just completely destroyed them at
the other end. So great player and on in this
tour of ninety two, of course he was captain. This
probably was the first tour Brian after the ninety two.
Will cupolded me, I don't think we did tour after
the ninety you know, that would have been March ninety
two and imasion. This is put a No two, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
And not after long after that. I think he went
off to Sri Lanka as well, didn't you after that tour.
I remember there was a bit of controversy at the
end of that Test match, Martin didn't dear himself to
the to the local fans and their sponsors.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Was a sign on the boundary something like that.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Yeah, since it's something like that, Yeah, yeah, No, they
had a They just come into Test cricket and they
played India as their first Test match at home and
it had been draw and the sign was up there.
Of course Castle Laga was plasted all the way around
the ground there. But on top of that sign was
Zimbabwe the only unbeaten Test team, And of course, when
(38:55):
Hogan had won that Test match, he decided that that
was no longer true.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
That's exactly right. I do recall that the Test match itself,
remember it in that back bowl very very well. I
think it was two really good bowling for the Murvie
so got fired for in the first things. And you
know when Movie got it right then you know the
left arm swing was from off to the leg and
to the right hand. It was was always you know,
(39:24):
it was always pretty awesome when he got when he
got the rhythm right, dip that bowl like a dream
and on a wick it was just to tear the
last and the fourth.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Things interesting to remember that match now and he's yeald
the rooms and Barbie, did you get much time to
keep a check on the team playing in the match there?
And particularly the bowling of Matt Henry Boy, he's had
a good eighteen months, isn't he.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, he's been the top I think he isn't the
top five to six bottles in the world at the moment, Brian,
isn't he Matt? And when you think he said when
he when he came onto the scene as he was
sort of third or fourth foot, or wasn't he to
bolt Soudi and Wagner and probably didn't get the best
opportunities in terms of the best. Didn't get the new
(40:08):
ball for a start, did he the first three or
four years of his career. But he always sensed that
there was something there. And certainly when he went and
played county cricket for likes of Worcester and other teams
in the county Championship, he was always one of the
best bowlers in four d A cricket and county crickets.
So you always thought there was something there, And certainly,
as you said, over the last eighteen to twenty four months,
(40:30):
he's he swept all before him, and good on him.
The a bowl was quickly enough to me. He gets
up around the sort of late one thirties one forty
regular occasion, he swings the all nicely. He's got this
what they call the wobble scene delivery now, which they're
all talking about, which is to my eye anyway, it's
a bit of a cross Semer and Nos, he's got
(40:51):
it all, and he's he's kind of fulfilling that kind
of birth now as the elder statesman to some extent,
he's not that old, but he's with all these new
young players like Sears and are all coming through the system.
He's the perfect foil in terms of showing these youngsters
how to do it.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah, encouraging science for New Zealand, doesn't it. You know
we won the T twenty competition there and you know
we're developing a lot of good players at the top
level and they're getting clining at cricket.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
Yeah they are.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
And I guess it's the nation of the Beast, now,
wasn't it. With the franchise cricket around the world, we
can't rely on always having our best of best available,
so we've got to nursery out our depth. I can't
recall a time in U Zealand cricket history, Brian where
we've probably had as much depth that we've got. We
seem to have probably a group if you include the
(41:42):
franchise players, probably got a group of twenty to twenty
five who any given time could play for New Zealand
and a number of really good all round us there.
Nathan Smith's a good player with O'Rourke's incredible talent with
the ball. Now we've got a whole swagger batsman who
can do do various jobs for us. So Gary Stead,
(42:03):
you've got to say he's left a heck of a
legacy for Rob Waller to to continue with.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Yeah, it's exciting from New Zealand and just to finish off,
I would be unwise to not reflect on your role
now a spatchman from the Deep South.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
In charge at Northern Districts. How's it going with the Knights?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, it's going well. What's today it's I've been about
three months in the job now once it's for four months,
it's it's going well. It's it's great to be back
involved with cricket. Obviously, there are a few challenges in
the game. I think a lot of sports around the
countryside have have challenges to his participation, particularly in the
recreation or community space and creckit's no different. Fundings an
(42:51):
issue will continue to be but we've just got to
work with the resources we have and do the best
that we possibly can. And I think as key we
cricketers in the Creditt community here where we're pretty good
at doing that. We're pretty good with making the most
of what we've got so enjoying it. It's obviously nd
being the region that it's plenty of miles to do
up and down there, up to the far North and
(43:12):
across the Poverty Bay and up to places like the
Mount mot and Fokatani and obviously pook A Cali place
to let to so a lot, a lot of bass,
but she was. It's looking forward to the first season,
looking for looking forward to doing a few laps of
the grounds around around our region.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
That's great, Thanks very much for joining us and sharing
us some memories from Zimbabwe. Hopefully we'll see you and
perhaps talk to you throughout the summerment's coming up, because
you know you've got international teams up in that part
of the world.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
I think first of.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
October Australia player at the Bayo weren't they three three
t twenties at the start of October and then towards
the end of October and the here to play a
few a few fifty over games. We've got one here
at Sedam Park, so we'll see how Brendan McCallum and
Tim Selli and Jeet and Pattel and me. The brains
Trust of England now so very key we look to it,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yes, indeed, well we'll welcome them as we generally do,
so that'll be great to see.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Thanks your time. Rudds to do you sometime during the season. Thanks, Ken.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah, they were certainly some bizarre moments in that series
in Zimbabwe, but it was doing it. But then it
was our first tour to that part of the world,
Jerry and I remember vividly the situation with Martin Crowe.
Martin got offended by this sign, big sign on the
(44:32):
ground that said Zimbabwe the only unbeaten Test match team
and he went up there and upset the fans by
ripping it down because he's ild had won the Test
in Harari and it was it was truly Hogan stuff,
wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (44:50):
That would be that, that would be Hogue. He would
certainly try and I know he got one hundred and forty,
didn't he in one of those innings he batted?
Speaker 3 (44:59):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
That would have been a high motivation for him to
let them know he and Rudds had you just talking
to us. He did quite well as well, got runs
in both innings, didn't he. And Murphy Sewer was in
that game actually, I think.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
He might have got five or.
Speaker 5 (45:20):
Six, did he? Yeah, well, that that Zimbabwe side. If
I'm right or wrong, what's had the had the two
Flower brothers, didn't it? Andy and Grant yep, the bowler,
and Andy of course the wicket keeper who became the
coach of England. They had Alistair Campbell who was another
one that I do remember. And of Edo Brandis of
(45:43):
course the chicken farmer. We remember that joke, but we
can't say that John Tricos, the old off spinner. Remember
he came over in the one in the World Cup
when it was in New Zealand and Australia. Yes, and
I think Dave fours And too might have been the
captain at that time. They see how they gathered together
(46:07):
at various times a happy coincidence. You can get some
quite good players together. And if you remember the heath
Street phase too, wasn't it Brothers were there they actually
beat New Zealand I think in Auckland at one stage too.
They can get they can actually put together some good players.
They'll be okay.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
Yep, and hopefully they're able to develop the kind of
players because we saw, you know, glimpses of that Mazarabani
Bennett didn't get too many runs. I suppose it was
disappointing they had to bring a thirty nine year old
back to bet best for them Brendan Taylor after serving.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
His free expension.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
But I remember him on a previous tour over there.
He was playing, So you know they've got the will.
That's whether I've got the people enough people to develop
their game. But I think the point you made earlier, Jerry,
about sending a teams is probably a good run because
when you captain decided the Pakistan and eighty f War,
(47:09):
some of the players came from a tour of m Barbwie,
didn't They an a team from New Zealand went there
prior to the trip to Pakistan.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
They did. That was the one where Chopp was captain actually,
and that one and we joined them. Yeah, the rest
of us joined them in Pakistan. So that's right. And look,
let's hope that they can get things together because the
more that more people that play the game was the better.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
Yep too, right, Well, I hope you're enjoying your Metro
Bank and I'm sure, I'm sure you're watching the Hundred.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
I'll bet you're watching the bit of the Hundred.
Speaker 5 (47:49):
Haven't seen the game yet? Was haven't seen of course,
So you know me, I try I try to just
stick to the things I enjoy. Now, I think we've
got to, don't. We have our times limited and we've
got to week. We've got to do things that we
(48:09):
that mean things to us, not not things that are
meaning less. So no, I won't be watching any of those,
but I'll be there with the Metro Cup. You're right,
quite right, I'll be there. I think my next one's
next week sometime. Yep.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
I'll enjoy your holiday over there, and you'll be back
to a nice cold.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Winter of the waders at the moment, so doubt the
enjoy yourself.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Yeah right, Well, I have to change my jarmis when
I come home, that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, long jammies, aren't.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
I bet you we're long jarmies? Do you want you? Yeah?
That's got to keep walk ye good man.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Summer.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
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