September 12, 2025 • 41 mins
This week NZ’A’ star batsman Rhys Mariu joins us celebrating the commanding win over South Africa ‘A’.
Four new White Ferns are in for the World Cup in India, Ross Taylor is out of retirement for Samoa, and remember this goes back to 1984.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 4 (00:45):
Hello, we're back on the front foot celebrating success. The
A's given South Africa AIS banking, celebrating selections, four new
players and the white men of the World Cup sleeping
Roscoe out of retirement and we're laughing at KP. It's
Kevin Petterson, not Kyle Preston, who dislikes all black celebrations.
(01:06):
Did you watch the cricket anywhere lately? Goodness me Jerry
Kevin Peterson on two PI Vice celebrating South Africa game.
He was an embarrassment, he said of two by guy.
All Blacks rugby was built on respect and tradition. Celebrating
turnovers like you've won the World Cup is up of nonsense. Well,
(01:29):
like I said, did you ever watch that game of
fifty four that was played this week at Cardiff between
England and South Africa, or any cricket games anywhere recently.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Goodness me, hello Wadds and Garth. Look, haven't I haven't
sort of heard of that Wadds. To be honest, I
didn't see the game, so I don't know really what
the celebration was. Garth probably saw it. He's got three
or four television sets down in his place and bound
to have sky.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It was pointless me asking you that then, mustn't it?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
It was totally pointless.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm sorry, Galloways. Galloways, did you see it? I mean
I did.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I'm finding it difficult to sort of have enough oxygen
to even talk about it, you know. But he obviously
hasn't seen some of the England rugby teams who have
done exactly the same thing over a sustained period of time.
Kind of bizarre and it shows, I think, the danger
of people getting carried away on social media in a
moment of anger and frustration. Just you know, advice to
(02:35):
Kevin just breathe.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Hasn't he seen Warner jumping up and down as soon
as he gets to seventy three or something like that.
I mean, Heaven's above he will he won the high
jump several times. He would have won the high jump
at the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, not quite as bad as Stewart national I suppose.
But never mind, there's so much going on on television
these days in terms of celebration, you know, the full
up on Loop Kiss and all that sort of stuff.
I mean, goodness, gracious me, never mind, we'll laugh at
Kevin Peterson. You know, we've happily acknowledged down his In
and Day Men team for their success recently Australia, India,
(03:11):
Bangladeshan now South Africa, a fifty over win under Duckworth
Lewis and the commanding win in Potchstrom. That was why
one hundred and eighty five runs and they scored six
hundred and seven in the first innings. One of the
stars in the most recent win was Canterbury's Rees Marriu,
and he joins on the front foot and Rees, that
(03:32):
success and the personal success you achieved must be highly
satisfying for you.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Yeah, it was an awesome match.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
So when a fourd I match away from home is
always a pretty good achievement, so it's got to be
a part of it.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, I looked at your stats and I don't know
how much interest you put into stats, but scored nearly
a double one hundred at a run of ball to
fifty nine deliveries, your second double century. I think as well,
isn't it must have been something special for you.
Speaker 8 (04:05):
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty cool. It was probably lucky
we won the toss in data first. Could have easibly
been on there the other side of it, so that
was always going to be nice betting test.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I guess that's one of the things that is of
interest to us back here is how are you finding
the conditions and you being an opener probably the testing
board actually for the side when you start a new game.
Speaker 8 (04:25):
Yeah, and Benoni, it's been been a bit difficult early
morning and potch here it's been a lot of letter
and more the South Pasca that we were sort of
expecting a bit harder bit later. So it's been good,
good tests and good to sort of widen the knowledge
of how other places play compared to back home.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, because I guess the expectation is, well, it's something
that you have to test, and don't you When you
get there, you might think that conditions are going to
be suitable to you, but not necessarily the case.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
You know, South Asca sort of has a victation for
being heart and fast, but it's not always the case,
especially and don't know any where it's I'm a bit
slower and a bit more tennis baller. So it's good
to actually say at fifthend and sort of adapt as
you as you play.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
How did you change your game if you changed it
at all from Bangladesh to South Africa because you didn't
quite have the same amount of success in the Bangladesh series,
did you Nah?
Speaker 8 (05:28):
I think it's not changing too much about what you're
planning on doing. It's just back in that what you're
going to what you're going to have is good enough
and then just eventually it'll click.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And what's your approach to batting? Is it one of
being dominant or are you someone who likes to score big?
I mean, when you look back at your record, you've played,
what eighteen first class matches, you're averaging sixty one? Do
those stats play a part or as you thinking a
little away from that when you prepare for a first
(06:00):
class game.
Speaker 8 (06:01):
Nah, it's it's merely just on sort of the enjoyment
of betting. Personally, I don't really like sitting on the
side and watching watching other people be So that's sort
of why I sort of became an openess. So it's
sort of just having the willingness to stay out there
and back myself rather than watch other people do it.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
This current team is performing well. I mean New Zealand
a we look back at the matches they played Australia,
the tour to India, bangladeshas to the side is developing
some real talent and adding to the depth that the
New Zealand game has got.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Yeah, it's pretty exciting.
Speaker 8 (06:40):
There's a lot of suture black Caps and current black
Caps on the team and it's pretty cool to be
winning games away from home. As you said, we saw
the guys doing India and that was obviously amazing and
it's quite a big thing for us to win away,
especially now against good sides in their home conditions. So
(07:00):
it just shows the equality of the side of the moment.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, I guess from your point of view and with
other players, it to develop for possible top level selection.
I mean, you've already made the New Zealand Black Cap side,
haven't you in terms of the short form game. But
it's a preparation for that as well, isn't it for
you and the other individuals on the side.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
It's about learning other conditions and testing our ability against
other quality players, and then eventually if we do get
the chance to make the jump up were sort of
a little bit more prepared, then we would be just
paying domestic cricket.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Opening partnership with the Dale Phillips. I don't know how
many times you would have betted with him in the past,
but you seemed to have a good rapport and understanding
of each other's game when you battered in that first innings.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:52):
Yeah, me and Dale have spent quite a bit of
the Winter forgere out, obviously going to in the Dish,
and then we went to Chunai for two weeks for
a training camp, and then someone to camps and then
this as well, So you spent a lot of time
betting with each other and it's been good to sort
of learn how he goes about it and just understanding
how you know, we've fubably got different games, but they
come from in each other quite well.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
And yeah, it's been good batting with something a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
It's hard to tell the opposition that you're up against
over there. How good have they been that there's some
pretty useful players both in the Bangladesh side and in
this South African a side that you've come up against.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
Yeah, we'll come up a lot of a lot of
quality players. Bangladesh had a lot of fish cricketers and
then the South Africa team's quality. Some of their bats
when are just second to none. I've played some amazing knocks.
I guess that puts a bit more on this one
here and Potch just being able to take twenty work
(08:49):
at since you know, a really quality team, it's been
really really cool to see.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, And I guess a lot of emphasis goes on
the team performance rather than individuals, and I think that
that's been evident, hasn'd in terms of different people who
stood up at different times? And that's your responsibility within
the team, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:07):
Definitely you can't. You can't win a gain just some
one on performance. So it's been cool. Everyone's sort of
chipping and when they need to, and even if people
don't perform, no one's panicking or anything, because you know,
we beck each other to step up when we need to.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Have you seen anything that you didn't expect? I imagine
that you were expecting pace bowlers. They don't seem to
deliver a lot of spin. When you go across to
South Africa, where did you get basically what you were expecting.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of our quality pace bowlers here,
but I think the wicket here and potch Is probably
was probably more spin friendly, which we took advantage of
a Jaden and Eddie both playing a big.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Part in this match.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
Whereas yeah, I think that spin was probably key, which
probably we didn't expect as much coming over. But going
back to only I think it'll go back to pace
being the key.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Are just looking at your average is little earlier on
seventeen hundred runs, an average of sixty one often unheard
of and players new to domestic cricket, because I guess,
you know, eighteen matches, you're just starting to get settled
to some extent, aren't you. You know you've had a
good look at the first class arena and those figures
(10:32):
are incredible added to that five hundred's and seven fifties.
Do you sort of pinch yourself at times at the
success that you've had.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Yeah, I think I've been quite fortunate just in the
games that I've played up to now. I think it's
just always knowing that it's cricket's a funny game and
it's most likely going to go down from here that average,
So just being aware of that is probably pretty key.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
We'll be noted, but otherwise nothing drastic will change. Now.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Are you a player who likes to plan out your
earnings and are you a seaball hitball man somebody likes to,
you know, get into the middle and make your judgments
from there.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
I think I genuinely visualize stuff before I go out,
whether that's the night before or something. But I think
I'm someone who sort of learns on the go. Once
I'm out there, I sort of assess what's happening and
then sort of go from there. It's not something I
don't have, you know, I want to get a fifty
(11:37):
by sitting ambro bulls or anything like that.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
It's more just as.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Conditions are friendly for betting than not to be positive
and if not, look to right about Oh.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Well, congratulations on what you've achieved on us a minute.
It's nice to be able to watch some of this
cricket to back home on the internet, and the quality
of the team performance was exceptional and being able to
bowl them out on that last day, you know, a
special women. Does it rate pretty highly with you?
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Yeah, definitely this one in the Bangladesh game, we're very
happy with. Yeah, definitely out there in terms of achievements
with this team.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, Rhys Murray, who's becoming quite a star. When you
look at the players playing in the side, Jerry, I
mean we've got him, Dale Phillips packed to back hundreds
and both formats of the game, Fisher's paste bowling coming
to the fore. Addie Ashock, I love seeing him, and
of course your favorite is Jaden Lennox. What these guys
are producing.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
It's good, there isn't it, Wads, And I'm sure all
three of us would would say it's very pleasing to
see this continuation of the development of some of our
younger players. I mean, it was a classic structure to
the game, wasn't it decent? Pitch one the toss and
excess in excess of six hundred runs? Now, I mean
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it basically earns you the right to make all the
decisions in the game. It allows you to have longer
spells or extended spells for your bowl, especially spinners. It
allows you to have attacking fields, you earn the right
to enforce a follow on or not. How long do
you bat in the second innings and how aggressively to
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set the game up, And having done that, then how
much spin you want to use in the fourth innings
of a match because you know what the pitcher's about
to do. So and New Zealand earned that right because
of that first innings. And you know, we're we're getting
to a point now where we've got players, as you mentioned,
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like Mario. We've got players like Dale Phillips who's emerging
as an attacking player. We've got Hayas continuing. We've got
Kelly thirty two. You worry a bit about his age,
but you know he's with a chance. Fisher's only twenty five,
Maria's twenty three. You've got O'Rourke and Seers both in
their twenties, Ravendra twenty five, folks Is twenty three, Ashoks
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twenty three, are Bases twenty one. You know, it goes
on and on. They're all of an age. They're coming
through nicely together. And you know Mario's, for example, Conway
and young and perhaps lays them to a lesser extent
because he's captain. They'll all feel that. You can't tell me,
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they won't feel it. They'll know about that and they'll
know that that's got to transfer to runs for them.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And so they should know that as well. It's great,
that's you know, it's not good having to tell somebody
that they're a good player and you're going to leave
them out of side. GAF. But you know, some of
these guys are putting their hand up and that's what
we ask about crickets, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, we do. But of course it's one thing for
them to put their hand up, it's another for them
to be selected. And this is you know, I think
that New Zealand really missed a trick and I set
this on a couple of radio interviews I did before
the Zimbabwe series. So not with the benefit of hindsight.
You know that Mario I think should have opened and
(15:08):
that in that series over there, Latham injured, they went
with Young and they went with Conway and I think,
you know, for me, it was a mistake that they
that they picked Conway. He's a free agent now. He
has struggled recently with former no He scored runs in
India a while back, but then struggled last season at home.
(15:28):
You know, I just I'm frustrated by the conservatism that
they showed. They picked Henry Nichols again to play in
that Zimbabwe Test, and there was an opportunity to blood
players like Mariu. So yes, it's very exciting seeing these
players coming through. But my initial feeling about Rob Robert
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and the coaching as we've gone back to conservative again
or we're sticking with conservative. You know Mario's endings he
betted nearly seven hours. It's a really fine effort and
the strike rate was ninety six. We've been talking about
Mariu last season. We thought he should have played got
a run in the home here is here he should
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certainly get a run against the West Indies. But again,
what an opportunity to pick them against Zimbabwe and play
them in a couple of tests. But again, you know
this this camp just feels to me like it's scared
of losing again and you know, you've you've got to
just take your chances and pick these young players. But
as Jerry says, plenty of depth and excitement and obviously
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the high performance program is working. And you know, and
you lock and you think, well, there's there's a bit
to pick from if there are injuries.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
So I think all we're asking is some thoughtful introduction
of some of these younger players at the right time.
And everyone has their own idea of what the right
time is, and it might well be that Zimbabwe and
the West Indies may well, although the West Indies have
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got some good seamers. And I when I looked at
the bowlers in that four day game against South Africa,
you had Mareki who plays for South who's played for
South Africa, had Jason Smith who was a sort of
a medium fast bowler who's played ODIs and t twenties.
The rest are younger guys and haven't played for South
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Africa yet. So it wasn't their strongest bowling attack they
could have put out. They were stronger in the ODIs
with people like Putsea and Bongwa and players like that
who have played for South Africa. But you still got
to score the runs, don't you. And I take your
point about the length of time that Maray was able
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to bat and runs right down the order. I mean, hey,
you got a seventy keen Simon Kean. He looks as
if he's coming out of scoring runs at the moment,
doesn't he And he got a forty yard and you
know Carter got a fifty again, So there were runs
right down there. Everybody got stuck in and that won
them the match obviously, Jerry.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
They just add also when we talk about the conservatism
of New Zealand in that Zimbabwe series as again, you know,
and we talked last season about Blundle's form for New
Zealand and I you know, I think Blundell has been
struggling with the clubs over the last twelve months or so.
An opportunity to pick Hay and introduce him to Test
cricket as well, another one lost.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Look, I don't think, you know, there's nothing wrong with
asking a player to to go and have a little
bit rest, a little bit of rest and work on
their game and come back and when they're when they're
back to some fall, I don't think that's an issue.
You're not if you miss one game or two games.
You're not out of the picture, are you. I don't
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think nowadays that's the case. So I don't have too
much problem with those those sorts of things. But I
just I just like the growing number that we've we've
we've just gone through showing signs now they've been to
Bangladesh and Asia. They've now been to South Africa where
the pictures can do a little bit more. This one
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was quite decent, but and they've been to Australia and
they've done those things as well. So this must put
us in a stronger position of choice anyway, And maybe
the fact that it was maybe the fact that it
was the coach's first first tour might have been influenced
by other people around the New Zealand development side of
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the game. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Yeah, well they have the issues, of course of making
sure that players health has taken care of this so
much cricket now and we've got to rest everybody all
on Sundry, even though we're getting big salaries. But we
should trumpet people like Rhech Marrio. You know, if he
was in England, he'd be the greatest thing since Jacob Beth,
Or wouldn't he? I mean, for goodness sake, I mean,
you know, we've we've got a star here. If it
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wasn't Jacob Beth, it'll be Harry Brook, or it might
be some somebody else who becomes a star. You know
five minutes after they've picked up a cricket bat, never mine.
We look forward to their next game and hopefully when
they get back to Benoni they can recapture that kind
of form.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
While we're celebrating, Four White Funds are in line to
make their ICC Women's Cricket World Cup deboo next month
after being named in the squad for the twenty twenty
five event. Flora Devonshire from Central Hines, Polly England's from
the Sparks, Bella James as Well and Auckland Hearts Brie Illing.
Some interesting selections there, Garth, I'm a big fan of
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this pre Illing left arm swings the ball. She could
be an important part of the game as she develops
the consistency needed. And the other one is Flora Devonshire
in place of fran Jonas.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, I agree with you on Elling. I've watched a
lot of the domestic at the women's Domestic cricket in
the last few seasons and being pleased to see that
the standard across the team seems to be getting stronger.
Elling has stood out for a couple of years for me,
as you say, once left arm. She's not fast, she's
medium fast, but she's accurate and she has played at
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times in games where she's been put under quite a
lot of pressure and I felt she has a very
good temperament and is able to respond to that. So
I think she deserves her selection and will serve New
Zealand well. The Devonshire experiment, if I can call it,
that is as interesting in a way at Mirror's friend
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Jonas in the last World Cup here a lot of
it played in christ your j obviously, and you'll remember
Jonas came in I think as a seventeen or eighteen
year old, and now of course she's put to one side.
Jonas's Record's not too bad. She's played twenty six od eyes.
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Her average is high at forty two, but I always
like to look at the economy rate as well, and
she's similar to a media cur at four point six,
and her twenty twenty record is pretty good, so you know,
Jonas might feel quite hard done by. They're obviously going
with you devons She's only played in a couple of
T twenty games and in those games has just bolb
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with two overs, so they obviously like what they see
with her. You know, where they're playing, they will potentially
play three spinners, I would think, so you can expect
that Devonshire will get a crack. I suppose the other
thing that it occurred to me and Eden Carson's the
other player, of course, the off spinner from Otago who
they seem to like. She played a lot when they
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won the T twenty World Cup in twenty twenty four.
She played in six matches in that tournament. And interesting,
Lee Caspar who is still thirty three years of age,
so not complete over the hill. You know, She's played
thirty nine One Day Internationals for New Zealand, taking sixty
five wickets at nineteen. She's played fifty two to twenty games,
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taken eighty one wickets at fourteen, and she can't get
a run in the team. She only played one game
in that World Cup that I'm talking about, and you'll remember,
and it was a talking point in the World Cup
here in New Zealand. She wasn't picked on that squad either,
And those questions have never been asked were answered for me.
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Casperick's record is outstanding.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, interesting, Jerry. The young players are starting to develop
and the test will be how they perform and the
test of their development improvements whatever, will be how the
younger ones perform, but more so how the established senior
players perform, because the onus is on them now to
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do the job. You know, everybody has to play a part,
but the senior experienced players are always important in these matches,
aren't they?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
In tournaments we said that at quite a few times.
Wadds hasn't we regarding the women's side in particular, because
there's been quite a gap between Divine baits Kerr to
some of the other players. Maddie Green, we would expect
that she could keep going and her development. She started
to show some more runs last year. She's thirty two
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now and Brooke Halliday is the other one, the left
hander twenty nine. I think bri Illing you mentioned Wadds.
She's only twenty one, and Garth's right, she's only about
medium and maybe she because of that she can get
a little bit quicker as well. But you're right, she
swings it and it's the sort of thing I think
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in Asia where they're going to be playing, in India
and in Colombo, they'll be playing as well in Sri
Lanka that you need to be moving the ball as
much as you can, keep the ball moving as long
as you can. So look, I mean the order it
seems to me is going to be pretty much baits Plummer, Kerr,
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then Green, Divine Halliday perhaps, and then you've got to
pick your keeper, whether you go for Izzy Gays or Polyenglis.
I like Engliss actually, I think she looks an athlete
behind the stumps. Then you've got you know, Jess Kerr,
and then presumably to who and then Illing maybe I
don't know, or whether you're going to pick your other
spinners and so on. So they've got a difficult start
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in the tournament. They play Australia first and in South Africa,
and they've got a difficult finish where they finish against
India in India and then England at Vishakapatnam. They're going
to have to win. I would have thought they must
win if they're going to make the Semis. They've got
to beat Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan, and that's in
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Asian conditions, so that won't be necessarily very easy with
all their spinners, and they'll probably also have to beat
one of either Australia, India, South Africa or England, which
you think South Africa or England may be the easier too,
and the circumstances, but you know, we'll just have to
wait and see. Because England have got Charlie Dean, haven't they.
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They've got Sarah Glenn the off spinner as well, and
Sophie eccleston of course, so they won't be easy over there.
And South Africa have their own spinners as well, so
it's not an easy competition for them. It's a longer
competition than the one they just recently won, and therefore
you can be exposed a little bit. There's more game
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to be exposed, and so let's just wait and see.
They've been to Chennai, they're having a couple of games
in Dubai against England and then they've got the warm
up games. So as the coach said, you know, they're
probably the best prepared side that he's seen since he's
been there.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
It'll be very interesting to see how they know how
they back up off their tournament win, their wild the
T twenty World Cup win, which I think you know,
everybody I think would fairly say was surprised by a
fantastic achievement by the side, and it'll be it'll be
interesting to see whether they can launch from that, or
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whether they stay at sort of this or whether they regress.
I'm going to be very interested, of course, at Sophie
Divine's last tournament. She's been a very significant contributor to
New Zealand cricket over a long period of time and
I'm sure they want to send her off in a
fine style. She'll be She'll be a very important player
over there as well. And I think you know, we
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talk about or think about divines batting a lot. I
think her bowling in those conditions, with their changes of
pace and things, will be a useful asset as well.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah, interesting to watch how that basically develops. As Jerry said,
they've got those warm up games and they are going
to be significant because everybody needs to get a bit
of a run to be prepared for the game against Australia.
That's a hard start to any tournament, the number one
side of the world. Oh we've just got Australia, Okay,
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talking about experience. Ross Taylor's coming out of retirement. He's
going to play for Samah and he could be at
the World T twenty Cup in twenty twenty six. I
always wanted to give back to the Polynesian community in
some sort of way. I always thought it would be
more in a coaching role or other avenues. I never
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thought i'd play. Goodness me, he'd be pretty useful in inside.
Jerry Wady, Oh, of course he will.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Just his experience alone, I think, and he'll he'll lift
the sort of the feeling amongst them. He's forty one now,
but at the same time as mum Sarmon, he's done
his standdown period. He wants to help and give back,
as you've just said, and you know you can't. You
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can't complain about any of that. I see Sean Celia
also from Auckland who was with the News z A side.
He's there as well. Tara Nutsula, he was a leg
spinner from Auckland. He's the coach. And and I think
there's someone that was there, someone else I think from
New Zealand as well.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Solomon. I think, isn't it he if it's dion Nesha's
son that he is a very talented cricketer. You know,
I've seen him play a college game in Wellington towards
the end of the season, and you know he's got
some skills. I don't know if you seen any of
these Sama players, gath that you've probably seen them around
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their traps at Hagley over or some of them.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
That's right, Sol, Yes, no, look at I think it's
fantastic for Ross. Good on him, you know, he's I
hope it goes well for him. It won't be easy,
but I'm sure he's in tray and doing his stuff.
He's he's earn't the right really to do what he likes.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
He was a.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Fantastic servant for New Zealand cricket. And you know, when
we look at I see his age as being quite tender.
When you think that Wilford Rhodes played Test cricket at
the age of fifty two. Bert Ironmonger was fifty playing
for Australia. W. G. Grays and George gunn All over fifty,
so he looks youthful compared to them.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Well were you retired, Jerry?
Speaker 5 (30:35):
I retired at thirty seven. Goodness pretty late though, wasn't it.
You saw the way I was unable to move probably
the last five years I played.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
But some could say a little bit too late.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Oh that's cruel, absolutly cruel.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
A nice little story, isn't it. It's a good story.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Brian Waad, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
What were you doing on February the fourth, nineteen eighty four?
Now I know what Jerry was doing. What were you
are you doing? Gas, February the fourth, nineteen eighty four, Well,
if it.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Was a during the week, I was in the University
holidays in Dunedin and I was the assistant groundsman to
former New Zealand player Ao Campbell at the University Oval.
That's exactly what I was doing, sitting on a moa,
listening to as it then was sports runder.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Jerry, where were you in which case you would have
heard probably New Zealand delivering a stumping win against England
Gas at Lancaster Park.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I did, indeed I remember it well, and Jerry, of
course your memory will be much greater than mine. But
the thing that always stood out to me the most
was the talk before the game about the green pitch
at Lancaster Park and how the team that won the
toss would insert the sigh and that would be the
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end of it. And indeed it was England who won
the toss. Bob Willis was captain from memory and New
Zealand were inserted and scored three hundred and seven, with
the Great Richard Hadley scoring ninety nine of the strike
grade of one hundred and twenty two.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
And day there Day two was the fourth of February,
and here were some of the highlights.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Hadley bowling to Tabareau, and Tabreau.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Edges that.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
England and nine for two wickets. Is Hadley now to
give a shrug on the pack. England ten for three wickets.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
Ten for three wickets, resuming from the overnight turtle of
seven for one.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And he comes in and he bowls to Randall, and
Randall is the man is caught second slip by Coney.
England is ten for four.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
Randall court Coney, Bold Headley no score, candid.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Lot down the leg side and hoisted by Botham and
his caught one leg by Chatfield. Botham is out and
England are forty one for five wickets. He's cork Chatfield
vot gowns for eighteen.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Chatfield runs in bowls again and always break them in.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
He's caught at the water ms out at the weather well.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
He had to play that one. It was closer to
the off stump. He had no choice about playing that.
He pushed out of cans again bowls and it's been
easy part first slip by Jeff Crow England forty seven
for seven. Now with Bob Taylor caught Jeff Crowe.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
I got us on four and waits for Ken's who
goes and now bowls to him. Well up and pig
All Well.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Hell back and appeal for Rob we do. Pig is out.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Once again Chatfield, this time to Willis Boles Bell used up,
knocked out Willis Vowl Chatfield. It's nine for seventy two
and Willis is gone.
Speaker 9 (34:36):
Chatfield comes in down bowls to Cohns and Cowns gets
a ball and he's caught by Cony, beautifully diving to
his right. A second slip, A moment's hesitation by the
umpire to make sure looked at mister Goodall, and Cown's
beautifully caught by Coney diving to his right. England's innings
has ended at eighty two, the lowest total against New
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Zealand at Lancaster Park in the history of Test cricket.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Now you were Jerry one of the two dismissals and
test cricket for les Tony Pigot. Yeah, both Wellington boys,
you and Bruce Edgar.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, both of the He got both of us out. Yeah. Look,
I do remember that they had difficulty finding an eleven.
They wanted to play four seamas I think, and Neil
Foster got his toe you know, hit at training just
leading up to it by Bob Willis, so he was out.
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And then Graham Dilly was going to come in to
the side and he failed a fitness test, so they
started looking round and so that's where lest the pigate.
I suppose the other person Garth would know would be
Neil Mallinder would have been around in those days for Otargo. Yeah,
Leicester Leicester was playing for us for Wellington and the other.
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The thing about Leicester though that he had he had
arranged to be married on the Monday of the match,
and when he got the offer from England management, he
struck a blow for cricket really because he postponed the
wedding immediately and with us one chance to play for England.
And this meant that Paddles Richard Hadley was delighted because
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he came and when he came into bat with me.
Chopper had just got out and he said, give me
plenty of Pygoate. I love facing him. I smash him
when we play Sussex in England. And that's exactly what
he did. I dutifully got singles and Pigott Pigot, and
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I at the non strikers in got a crick in
our neck watching the ball fly back over the bowler's head,
just little seamers coming back into him, swing bowling coming
back into him, and paddles just took to him. As
you say, you got ninety nine. I remember that day,
which was more than England got in either of their innings,
wasn't it on that? But that pitch was really quite
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crusty and quite nasty. I remember about the fifty or
must been the fifteenth ball of the match, something like that.
One took off from Willis bowling from the porthill ends
to writing and it just flew as he came forward,
flew over his head, over Bob Taylor's head bounced twice
before the boundary. All of us went and got our
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other bats and thought, right, we'll take our really aggressive
bat out there and score as many as we can
before a number comes up on it, you know, our
number comes up and it could have been any ball really,
but we just bowled really well. They bowled appallingly. We thought, well,
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and you know that was really it. I mean I
remember Hogan taking a catch off Bosom at batpad Bocky
getting a wicket very early on. I mean, everything just
went well. Best catch I took at slip off Lamb
and you know, as both of them left, actually he
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said to me, I'll see you at Elton John's concert tonight.
You know, they were really they were gone the English
at that time. It was called the Six Drugs Rock
and Roll Tour, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Where was it?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
No? That was the concert was in christ Church. The
concert was in christ Church, so yeah, I don't know.
There was stories of backstage parties and then there were
rumors of smoking marijuana in the dressing room too. I
went and I couldn't smell any and I think there
was a bit of mythology in that. Yeah, but you
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know it was just a cracker of a match, really
it was.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
But deary, I mean incredible because England, you know, bowled
out for eighty two and ninety three play New Zealand
three hundred and seven. And when you look at the
because you know the run rates weren't as high in
those days and the pitch was my recollection anyway, and
I stand to be corrected, was that it was thought
to be, you know, green and seeming on the first
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day New Zealand better for seventy two overs and scored
three hundred and seven. And you talked about Bocky picking
up a wicket early. I remember him. He got Graham Fowler.
You know, there were only a couple of overs to
bowl up he boldsday and he bowled Fowler and quickly
just coming back to neil Meleander as well. No one
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in Otago could understand why they packed Pycot over Melender.
Melender was quick, but it came from playing for Northens
in those days in an unfashionable county. He ended up
in nineteen ninety two playing a couple of Tests for
England and took ten wickets at twenty one, never to
be seen again.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
So wonderful memories. And you were probably preparing pitches down
there Gath for warren Lees and under his instructions was
he anything to do with them the team? Then?
Speaker 6 (40:10):
Well he was, but I was preparing pitches for the
club games I was playing and.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Shirt fronts.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Yeah, so when we played against against Koker as he
played for, he would run in and bowl and try
and bounce me. It would pitch halfway down the pitch
and come up to about my ankles and he would grin.
I'd spent eight hours a day on the roll.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Great memories, the things we did for our own performance
in club Quicken and then of course you came to
Wellington and really set us on our backside. Garth. That
was really good. We do with FA a bit of
time here. Thanks very much for joining us. This week
time comes to an end. We'll look at rules. There's
some big changes I haven't been able to understand myself,
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particularly the one about why they change the ball and
have only one ball in the last sixteen overs of
a one day international. We'll have to have a look
at that and discuss on the future occasion. Thanks for
doing us, guys, for makes your memories. So we'll talk
again a.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
Right, I want to see that it is a one guys,
All the wadysumming.
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Speaker 4 (00:45):
Hello, we're back on the front foot celebrating success. The
A's given South Africa AIS banking, celebrating selections, four new
players and the white men of the World Cup sleeping
Roscoe out of retirement and we're laughing at KP. It's
Kevin Petterson, not Kyle Preston, who dislikes all black celebrations.
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Did you watch the cricket anywhere lately? Goodness me Jerry
Kevin Peterson on two PI Vice celebrating South Africa game.
He was an embarrassment, he said of two by guy.
All Blacks rugby was built on respect and tradition. Celebrating
turnovers like you've won the World Cup is up of nonsense. Well,
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like I said, did you ever watch that game of
fifty four that was played this week at Cardiff between
England and South Africa, or any cricket games anywhere recently.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Goodness me, hello Wadds and Garth. Look, haven't I haven't
sort of heard of that Wadds. To be honest, I
didn't see the game, so I don't know really what
the celebration was. Garth probably saw it. He's got three
or four television sets down in his place and bound
to have sky.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It was pointless me asking you that then, mustn't it?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
It was totally pointless.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm sorry, Galloways. Galloways, did you see it? I mean
I did.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I'm finding it difficult to sort of have enough oxygen
to even talk about it, you know. But he obviously
hasn't seen some of the England rugby teams who have
done exactly the same thing over a sustained period of time.
Kind of bizarre and it shows, I think, the danger
of people getting carried away on social media in a
moment of anger and frustration. Just you know, advice to
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Kevin just breathe.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Hasn't he seen Warner jumping up and down as soon
as he gets to seventy three or something like that.
I mean, Heaven's above he will he won the high
jump several times. He would have won the high jump
at the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Yeah, not quite as bad as Stewart national I suppose.
But never mind, there's so much going on on television
these days in terms of celebration, you know, the full
up on Loop Kiss and all that sort of stuff.
I mean, goodness, gracious me, never mind, we'll laugh at
Kevin Peterson. You know, we've happily acknowledged down his In
and Day Men team for their success recently Australia, India,
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Bangladeshan now South Africa, a fifty over win under Duckworth
Lewis and the commanding win in Potchstrom. That was why
one hundred and eighty five runs and they scored six
hundred and seven in the first innings. One of the
stars in the most recent win was Canterbury's Rees Marriu,
and he joins on the front foot and Rees, that
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success and the personal success you achieved must be highly
satisfying for you.
Speaker 7 (03:37):
Yeah, it was an awesome match.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
So when a fourd I match away from home is
always a pretty good achievement, so it's got to be
a part of it.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, I looked at your stats and I don't know
how much interest you put into stats, but scored nearly
a double one hundred at a run of ball to
fifty nine deliveries, your second double century. I think as well,
isn't it must have been something special for you.
Speaker 8 (04:05):
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty cool. It was probably lucky
we won the toss in data first. Could have easibly
been on there the other side of it, so that
was always going to be nice betting test.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
I guess that's one of the things that is of
interest to us back here is how are you finding
the conditions and you being an opener probably the testing
board actually for the side when you start a new game.
Speaker 8 (04:25):
Yeah, and Benoni, it's been been a bit difficult early
morning and potch here it's been a lot of letter
and more the South Pasca that we were sort of
expecting a bit harder bit later. So it's been good,
good tests and good to sort of widen the knowledge
of how other places play compared to back home.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Yeah, because I guess the expectation is, well, it's something
that you have to test, and don't you When you
get there, you might think that conditions are going to
be suitable to you, but not necessarily the case.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
You know, South Asca sort of has a victation for
being heart and fast, but it's not always the case,
especially and don't know any where it's I'm a bit
slower and a bit more tennis baller. So it's good
to actually say at fifthend and sort of adapt as
you as you play.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
How did you change your game if you changed it
at all from Bangladesh to South Africa because you didn't
quite have the same amount of success in the Bangladesh series,
did you Nah?
Speaker 8 (05:28):
I think it's not changing too much about what you're
planning on doing. It's just back in that what you're
going to what you're going to have is good enough
and then just eventually it'll click.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
And what's your approach to batting? Is it one of
being dominant or are you someone who likes to score big?
I mean, when you look back at your record, you've played,
what eighteen first class matches, you're averaging sixty one? Do
those stats play a part or as you thinking a
little away from that when you prepare for a first
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class game.
Speaker 8 (06:01):
Nah, it's it's merely just on sort of the enjoyment
of betting. Personally, I don't really like sitting on the
side and watching watching other people be So that's sort
of why I sort of became an openess. So it's
sort of just having the willingness to stay out there
and back myself rather than watch other people do it.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
This current team is performing well. I mean New Zealand
a we look back at the matches they played Australia,
the tour to India, bangladeshas to the side is developing
some real talent and adding to the depth that the
New Zealand game has got.
Speaker 7 (06:38):
Yeah, it's pretty exciting.
Speaker 8 (06:40):
There's a lot of suture black Caps and current black
Caps on the team and it's pretty cool to be
winning games away from home. As you said, we saw
the guys doing India and that was obviously amazing and
it's quite a big thing for us to win away,
especially now against good sides in their home conditions. So
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it just shows the equality of the side of the moment.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, I guess from your point of view and with
other players, it to develop for possible top level selection.
I mean, you've already made the New Zealand Black Cap side,
haven't you in terms of the short form game. But
it's a preparation for that as well, isn't it for
you and the other individuals on the side.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8 (07:22):
It's about learning other conditions and testing our ability against
other quality players, and then eventually if we do get
the chance to make the jump up were sort of
a little bit more prepared, then we would be just
paying domestic cricket.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Opening partnership with the Dale Phillips. I don't know how
many times you would have betted with him in the past,
but you seemed to have a good rapport and understanding
of each other's game when you battered in that first innings.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:52):
Yeah, me and Dale have spent quite a bit of
the Winter forgere out, obviously going to in the Dish,
and then we went to Chunai for two weeks for
a training camp, and then someone to camps and then
this as well, So you spent a lot of time
betting with each other and it's been good to sort
of learn how he goes about it and just understanding
how you know, we've fubably got different games, but they
come from in each other quite well.
Speaker 7 (08:13):
And yeah, it's been good batting with something a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
It's hard to tell the opposition that you're up against
over there. How good have they been that there's some
pretty useful players both in the Bangladesh side and in
this South African a side that you've come up against.
Speaker 8 (08:29):
Yeah, we'll come up a lot of a lot of
quality players. Bangladesh had a lot of fish cricketers and
then the South Africa team's quality. Some of their bats
when are just second to none. I've played some amazing knocks.
I guess that puts a bit more on this one
here and Potch just being able to take twenty work
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at since you know, a really quality team, it's been
really really cool to see.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, And I guess a lot of emphasis goes on
the team performance rather than individuals, and I think that
that's been evident, hasn'd in terms of different people who
stood up at different times? And that's your responsibility within
the team, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (09:07):
Definitely you can't. You can't win a gain just some
one on performance. So it's been cool. Everyone's sort of
chipping and when they need to, and even if people
don't perform, no one's panicking or anything, because you know,
we beck each other to step up when we need to.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Have you seen anything that you didn't expect? I imagine
that you were expecting pace bowlers. They don't seem to
deliver a lot of spin. When you go across to
South Africa, where did you get basically what you were expecting.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of our quality pace bowlers here,
but I think the wicket here and potch Is probably
was probably more spin friendly, which we took advantage of
a Jaden and Eddie both playing a big.
Speaker 7 (09:53):
Part in this match.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
Whereas yeah, I think that spin was probably key, which
probably we didn't expect as much coming over. But going
back to only I think it'll go back to pace
being the key.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Are just looking at your average is little earlier on
seventeen hundred runs, an average of sixty one often unheard
of and players new to domestic cricket, because I guess,
you know, eighteen matches, you're just starting to get settled
to some extent, aren't you. You know you've had a
good look at the first class arena and those figures
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are incredible added to that five hundred's and seven fifties.
Do you sort of pinch yourself at times at the
success that you've had.
Speaker 8 (10:42):
Yeah, I think I've been quite fortunate just in the
games that I've played up to now. I think it's
just always knowing that it's cricket's a funny game and
it's most likely going to go down from here that average,
So just being aware of that is probably pretty key.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
We'll be noted, but otherwise nothing drastic will change. Now.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Are you a player who likes to plan out your
earnings and are you a seaball hitball man somebody likes to,
you know, get into the middle and make your judgments
from there.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
I think I genuinely visualize stuff before I go out,
whether that's the night before or something. But I think
I'm someone who sort of learns on the go. Once
I'm out there, I sort of assess what's happening and
then sort of go from there. It's not something I
don't have, you know, I want to get a fifty
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by sitting ambro bulls or anything like that.
Speaker 7 (11:39):
It's more just as.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
Conditions are friendly for betting than not to be positive
and if not, look to right about Oh.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
Well, congratulations on what you've achieved on us a minute.
It's nice to be able to watch some of this
cricket to back home on the internet, and the quality
of the team performance was exceptional and being able to
bowl them out on that last day, you know, a
special women. Does it rate pretty highly with you?
Speaker 8 (12:08):
Yeah, definitely this one in the Bangladesh game, we're very
happy with. Yeah, definitely out there in terms of achievements
with this team.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Yeah, Rhys Murray, who's becoming quite a star. When you
look at the players playing in the side, Jerry, I
mean we've got him, Dale Phillips packed to back hundreds
and both formats of the game, Fisher's paste bowling coming
to the fore. Addie Ashock, I love seeing him, and
of course your favorite is Jaden Lennox. What these guys
are producing.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
It's good, there isn't it, Wads, And I'm sure all
three of us would would say it's very pleasing to
see this continuation of the development of some of our
younger players. I mean, it was a classic structure to
the game, wasn't it decent? Pitch one the toss and
excess in excess of six hundred runs? Now, I mean
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it basically earns you the right to make all the
decisions in the game. It allows you to have longer
spells or extended spells for your bowl, especially spinners. It
allows you to have attacking fields, you earn the right
to enforce a follow on or not. How long do
you bat in the second innings and how aggressively to
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set the game up, And having done that, then how
much spin you want to use in the fourth innings
of a match because you know what the pitcher's about
to do. So and New Zealand earned that right because
of that first innings. And you know, we're we're getting
to a point now where we've got players, as you mentioned,
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like Mario. We've got players like Dale Phillips who's emerging
as an attacking player. We've got Hayas continuing. We've got
Kelly thirty two. You worry a bit about his age,
but you know he's with a chance. Fisher's only twenty five,
Maria's twenty three. You've got O'Rourke and Seers both in
their twenties, Ravendra twenty five, folks Is twenty three, Ashoks
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twenty three, are Bases twenty one. You know, it goes
on and on. They're all of an age. They're coming
through nicely together. And you know Mario's, for example, Conway
and young and perhaps lays them to a lesser extent
because he's captain. They'll all feel that. You can't tell me,
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they won't feel it. They'll know about that and they'll
know that that's got to transfer to runs for them.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
And so they should know that as well. It's great,
that's you know, it's not good having to tell somebody
that they're a good player and you're going to leave
them out of side. GAF. But you know, some of
these guys are putting their hand up and that's what
we ask about crickets, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, we do. But of course it's one thing for
them to put their hand up, it's another for them
to be selected. And this is you know, I think
that New Zealand really missed a trick and I set
this on a couple of radio interviews I did before
the Zimbabwe series. So not with the benefit of hindsight.
You know that Mario I think should have opened and
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that in that series over there, Latham injured, they went
with Young and they went with Conway and I think,
you know, for me, it was a mistake that they
that they picked Conway. He's a free agent now. He
has struggled recently with former no He scored runs in
India a while back, but then struggled last season at home.
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You know, I just I'm frustrated by the conservatism that
they showed. They picked Henry Nichols again to play in
that Zimbabwe Test, and there was an opportunity to blood
players like Mariu. So yes, it's very exciting seeing these
players coming through. But my initial feeling about Rob Robert
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and the coaching as we've gone back to conservative again
or we're sticking with conservative. You know Mario's endings he
betted nearly seven hours. It's a really fine effort and
the strike rate was ninety six. We've been talking about
Mariu last season. We thought he should have played got
a run in the home here is here he should
(16:10):
certainly get a run against the West Indies. But again,
what an opportunity to pick them against Zimbabwe and play
them in a couple of tests. But again, you know
this this camp just feels to me like it's scared
of losing again and you know, you've you've got to
just take your chances and pick these young players. But
as Jerry says, plenty of depth and excitement and obviously
(16:33):
the high performance program is working. And you know, and
you lock and you think, well, there's there's a bit
to pick from if there are injuries.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
So I think all we're asking is some thoughtful introduction
of some of these younger players at the right time.
And everyone has their own idea of what the right
time is, and it might well be that Zimbabwe and
the West Indies may well, although the West Indies have
(17:06):
got some good seamers. And I when I looked at
the bowlers in that four day game against South Africa,
you had Mareki who plays for South who's played for
South Africa, had Jason Smith who was a sort of
a medium fast bowler who's played ODIs and t twenties.
The rest are younger guys and haven't played for South
(17:26):
Africa yet. So it wasn't their strongest bowling attack they
could have put out. They were stronger in the ODIs
with people like Putsea and Bongwa and players like that
who have played for South Africa. But you still got
to score the runs, don't you. And I take your
point about the length of time that Maray was able
(17:48):
to bat and runs right down the order. I mean, hey,
you got a seventy keen Simon Kean. He looks as
if he's coming out of scoring runs at the moment,
doesn't he And he got a forty yard and you
know Carter got a fifty again, So there were runs
right down there. Everybody got stuck in and that won
them the match obviously, Jerry.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
They just add also when we talk about the conservatism
of New Zealand in that Zimbabwe series as again, you know,
and we talked last season about Blundle's form for New
Zealand and I you know, I think Blundell has been
struggling with the clubs over the last twelve months or so.
An opportunity to pick Hay and introduce him to Test
cricket as well, another one lost.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Look, I don't think, you know, there's nothing wrong with
asking a player to to go and have a little
bit rest, a little bit of rest and work on
their game and come back and when they're when they're
back to some fall, I don't think that's an issue.
You're not if you miss one game or two games.
You're not out of the picture, are you. I don't
(18:55):
think nowadays that's the case. So I don't have too
much problem with those those sorts of things. But I
just I just like the growing number that we've we've
we've just gone through showing signs now they've been to
Bangladesh and Asia. They've now been to South Africa where
the pictures can do a little bit more. This one
(19:16):
was quite decent, but and they've been to Australia and
they've done those things as well. So this must put
us in a stronger position of choice anyway, And maybe
the fact that it was maybe the fact that it
was the coach's first first tour might have been influenced
by other people around the New Zealand development side of
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the game. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Yeah, well they have the issues, of course of making
sure that players health has taken care of this so
much cricket now and we've got to rest everybody all
on Sundry, even though we're getting big salaries. But we
should trumpet people like Rhech Marrio. You know, if he
was in England, he'd be the greatest thing since Jacob Beth,
Or wouldn't he? I mean, for goodness sake, I mean,
you know, we've we've got a star here. If it
(20:04):
wasn't Jacob Beth, it'll be Harry Brook, or it might
be some somebody else who becomes a star. You know
five minutes after they've picked up a cricket bat, never mine.
We look forward to their next game and hopefully when
they get back to Benoni they can recapture that kind
of form.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Brian Waddell Jeremy Cooney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
While we're celebrating, Four White Funds are in line to
make their ICC Women's Cricket World Cup deboo next month
after being named in the squad for the twenty twenty
five event. Flora Devonshire from Central Hines, Polly England's from
the Sparks, Bella James as Well and Auckland Hearts Brie Illing.
Some interesting selections there, Garth, I'm a big fan of
(20:51):
this pre Illing left arm swings the ball. She could
be an important part of the game as she develops
the consistency needed. And the other one is Flora Devonshire
in place of fran Jonas.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, I agree with you on Elling. I've watched a
lot of the domestic at the women's Domestic cricket in
the last few seasons and being pleased to see that
the standard across the team seems to be getting stronger.
Elling has stood out for a couple of years for me,
as you say, once left arm. She's not fast, she's
medium fast, but she's accurate and she has played at
(21:29):
times in games where she's been put under quite a
lot of pressure and I felt she has a very
good temperament and is able to respond to that. So
I think she deserves her selection and will serve New
Zealand well. The Devonshire experiment, if I can call it,
that is as interesting in a way at Mirror's friend
(21:51):
Jonas in the last World Cup here a lot of
it played in christ your j obviously, and you'll remember
Jonas came in I think as a seventeen or eighteen
year old, and now of course she's put to one side.
Jonas's Record's not too bad. She's played twenty six od eyes.
(22:13):
Her average is high at forty two, but I always
like to look at the economy rate as well, and
she's similar to a media cur at four point six,
and her twenty twenty record is pretty good, so you know,
Jonas might feel quite hard done by. They're obviously going
with you devons She's only played in a couple of
T twenty games and in those games has just bolb
(22:34):
with two overs, so they obviously like what they see
with her. You know, where they're playing, they will potentially
play three spinners, I would think, so you can expect
that Devonshire will get a crack. I suppose the other
thing that it occurred to me and Eden Carson's the
other player, of course, the off spinner from Otago who
they seem to like. She played a lot when they
(22:55):
won the T twenty World Cup in twenty twenty four.
She played in six matches in that tournament. And interesting,
Lee Caspar who is still thirty three years of age,
so not complete over the hill. You know, She's played
thirty nine One Day Internationals for New Zealand, taking sixty
five wickets at nineteen. She's played fifty two to twenty games,
(23:19):
taken eighty one wickets at fourteen, and she can't get
a run in the team. She only played one game
in that World Cup that I'm talking about, and you'll remember,
and it was a talking point in the World Cup
here in New Zealand. She wasn't picked on that squad either,
And those questions have never been asked were answered for me.
(23:39):
Casperick's record is outstanding.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, interesting, Jerry. The young players are starting to develop
and the test will be how they perform and the
test of their development improvements whatever, will be how the
younger ones perform, but more so how the established senior
players perform, because the onus is on them now to
(24:02):
do the job. You know, everybody has to play a part,
but the senior experienced players are always important in these matches,
aren't they?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
In tournaments we said that at quite a few times.
Wadds hasn't we regarding the women's side in particular, because
there's been quite a gap between Divine baits Kerr to
some of the other players. Maddie Green, we would expect
that she could keep going and her development. She started
to show some more runs last year. She's thirty two
(24:31):
now and Brooke Halliday is the other one, the left
hander twenty nine. I think bri Illing you mentioned Wadds.
She's only twenty one, and Garth's right, she's only about
medium and maybe she because of that she can get
a little bit quicker as well. But you're right, she
swings it and it's the sort of thing I think
(24:53):
in Asia where they're going to be playing, in India
and in Colombo, they'll be playing as well in Sri
Lanka that you need to be moving the ball as
much as you can, keep the ball moving as long
as you can. So look, I mean the order it
seems to me is going to be pretty much baits Plummer, Kerr,
(25:15):
then Green, Divine Halliday perhaps, and then you've got to
pick your keeper, whether you go for Izzy Gays or Polyenglis.
I like Engliss actually, I think she looks an athlete
behind the stumps. Then you've got you know, Jess Kerr,
and then presumably to who and then Illing maybe I
don't know, or whether you're going to pick your other
spinners and so on. So they've got a difficult start
(25:40):
in the tournament. They play Australia first and in South Africa,
and they've got a difficult finish where they finish against
India in India and then England at Vishakapatnam. They're going
to have to win. I would have thought they must
win if they're going to make the Semis. They've got
to beat Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan, and that's in
(26:02):
Asian conditions, so that won't be necessarily very easy with
all their spinners, and they'll probably also have to beat
one of either Australia, India, South Africa or England, which
you think South Africa or England may be the easier too,
and the circumstances, but you know, we'll just have to
wait and see. Because England have got Charlie Dean, haven't they.
(26:24):
They've got Sarah Glenn the off spinner as well, and
Sophie eccleston of course, so they won't be easy over there.
And South Africa have their own spinners as well, so
it's not an easy competition for them. It's a longer
competition than the one they just recently won, and therefore
you can be exposed a little bit. There's more game
(26:45):
to be exposed, and so let's just wait and see.
They've been to Chennai, they're having a couple of games
in Dubai against England and then they've got the warm
up games. So as the coach said, you know, they're
probably the best prepared side that he's seen since he's
been there.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
It'll be very interesting to see how they know how
they back up off their tournament win, their wild the
T twenty World Cup win, which I think you know,
everybody I think would fairly say was surprised by a
fantastic achievement by the side, and it'll be it'll be
interesting to see whether they can launch from that, or
(27:28):
whether they stay at sort of this or whether they regress.
I'm going to be very interested, of course, at Sophie
Divine's last tournament. She's been a very significant contributor to
New Zealand cricket over a long period of time and
I'm sure they want to send her off in a
fine style. She'll be She'll be a very important player
over there as well. And I think you know, we
(27:50):
talk about or think about divines batting a lot. I
think her bowling in those conditions, with their changes of
pace and things, will be a useful asset as well.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah, interesting to watch how that basically develops. As Jerry said,
they've got those warm up games and they are going
to be significant because everybody needs to get a bit
of a run to be prepared for the game against Australia.
That's a hard start to any tournament, the number one
side of the world. Oh we've just got Australia, Okay,
(28:18):
talking about experience. Ross Taylor's coming out of retirement. He's
going to play for Samah and he could be at
the World T twenty Cup in twenty twenty six. I
always wanted to give back to the Polynesian community in
some sort of way. I always thought it would be
more in a coaching role or other avenues. I never
(28:39):
thought i'd play. Goodness me, he'd be pretty useful in inside.
Jerry Wady, Oh, of course he will.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Just his experience alone, I think, and he'll he'll lift
the sort of the feeling amongst them. He's forty one now,
but at the same time as mum Sarmon, he's done
his standdown period. He wants to help and give back,
as you've just said, and you know you can't. You
(29:09):
can't complain about any of that. I see Sean Celia
also from Auckland who was with the News z A side.
He's there as well. Tara Nutsula, he was a leg
spinner from Auckland. He's the coach. And and I think
there's someone that was there, someone else I think from
New Zealand as well.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Solomon. I think, isn't it he if it's dion Nesha's
son that he is a very talented cricketer. You know,
I've seen him play a college game in Wellington towards
the end of the season, and you know he's got
some skills. I don't know if you seen any of
these Sama players, gath that you've probably seen them around
(29:51):
their traps at Hagley over or some of them.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
That's right, Sol, Yes, no, look at I think it's
fantastic for Ross. Good on him, you know, he's I
hope it goes well for him. It won't be easy,
but I'm sure he's in tray and doing his stuff.
He's he's earn't the right really to do what he likes.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
He was a.
Speaker 6 (30:12):
Fantastic servant for New Zealand cricket. And you know, when
we look at I see his age as being quite tender.
When you think that Wilford Rhodes played Test cricket at
the age of fifty two. Bert Ironmonger was fifty playing
for Australia. W. G. Grays and George gunn All over fifty,
so he looks youthful compared to them.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Well were you retired, Jerry?
Speaker 5 (30:35):
I retired at thirty seven. Goodness pretty late though, wasn't it.
You saw the way I was unable to move probably
the last five years I played.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
But some could say a little bit too late.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
Oh that's cruel, absolutly cruel.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
A nice little story, isn't it. It's a good story.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Brian Waad, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
What were you doing on February the fourth, nineteen eighty four?
Now I know what Jerry was doing. What were you
are you doing? Gas, February the fourth, nineteen eighty four, Well,
if it.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
Was a during the week, I was in the University
holidays in Dunedin and I was the assistant groundsman to
former New Zealand player Ao Campbell at the University Oval.
That's exactly what I was doing, sitting on a moa,
listening to as it then was sports runder.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Jerry, where were you in which case you would have
heard probably New Zealand delivering a stumping win against England
Gas at Lancaster Park.
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I did, indeed I remember it well, and Jerry, of
course your memory will be much greater than mine. But
the thing that always stood out to me the most
was the talk before the game about the green pitch
at Lancaster Park and how the team that won the
toss would insert the sigh and that would be the
(32:09):
end of it. And indeed it was England who won
the toss. Bob Willis was captain from memory and New
Zealand were inserted and scored three hundred and seven, with
the Great Richard Hadley scoring ninety nine of the strike
grade of one hundred and twenty two.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
And day there Day two was the fourth of February,
and here were some of the highlights.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Hadley bowling to Tabareau, and Tabreau.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Edges that.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
England and nine for two wickets. Is Hadley now to
give a shrug on the pack. England ten for three wickets.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
Ten for three wickets, resuming from the overnight turtle of
seven for one.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And he comes in and he bowls to Randall, and
Randall is the man is caught second slip by Coney.
England is ten for four.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
Randall court Coney, Bold Headley no score, candid.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Lot down the leg side and hoisted by Botham and
his caught one leg by Chatfield. Botham is out and
England are forty one for five wickets. He's cork Chatfield
vot gowns for eighteen.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Chatfield runs in bowls again and always break them in.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
He's caught at the water ms out at the weather well.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
He had to play that one. It was closer to
the off stump. He had no choice about playing that.
He pushed out of cans again bowls and it's been
easy part first slip by Jeff Crow England forty seven
for seven. Now with Bob Taylor caught Jeff Crowe.
Speaker 7 (34:16):
I got us on four and waits for Ken's who
goes and now bowls to him. Well up and pig
All Well.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Hell back and appeal for Rob we do. Pig is out.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Once again Chatfield, this time to Willis Boles Bell used up,
knocked out Willis Vowl Chatfield. It's nine for seventy two
and Willis is gone.
Speaker 9 (34:36):
Chatfield comes in down bowls to Cohns and Cowns gets
a ball and he's caught by Cony, beautifully diving to
his right. A second slip, A moment's hesitation by the
umpire to make sure looked at mister Goodall, and Cown's
beautifully caught by Coney diving to his right. England's innings
has ended at eighty two, the lowest total against New
(34:58):
Zealand at Lancaster Park in the history of Test cricket.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Now you were Jerry one of the two dismissals and
test cricket for les Tony Pigot. Yeah, both Wellington boys,
you and Bruce Edgar.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Yeah, both of the He got both of us out. Yeah. Look,
I do remember that they had difficulty finding an eleven.
They wanted to play four seamas I think, and Neil
Foster got his toe you know, hit at training just
leading up to it by Bob Willis, so he was out.
(35:36):
And then Graham Dilly was going to come in to
the side and he failed a fitness test, so they
started looking round and so that's where lest the pigate.
I suppose the other person Garth would know would be
Neil Mallinder would have been around in those days for Otargo. Yeah,
Leicester Leicester was playing for us for Wellington and the other.
(35:59):
The thing about Leicester though that he had he had
arranged to be married on the Monday of the match,
and when he got the offer from England management, he
struck a blow for cricket really because he postponed the
wedding immediately and with us one chance to play for England.
And this meant that Paddles Richard Hadley was delighted because
(36:24):
he came and when he came into bat with me.
Chopper had just got out and he said, give me
plenty of Pygoate. I love facing him. I smash him
when we play Sussex in England. And that's exactly what
he did. I dutifully got singles and Pigott Pigot, and
(36:47):
I at the non strikers in got a crick in
our neck watching the ball fly back over the bowler's head,
just little seamers coming back into him, swing bowling coming
back into him, and paddles just took to him. As
you say, you got ninety nine. I remember that day,
which was more than England got in either of their innings,
wasn't it on that? But that pitch was really quite
(37:09):
crusty and quite nasty. I remember about the fifty or
must been the fifteenth ball of the match, something like that.
One took off from Willis bowling from the porthill ends
to writing and it just flew as he came forward,
flew over his head, over Bob Taylor's head bounced twice
before the boundary. All of us went and got our
(37:32):
other bats and thought, right, we'll take our really aggressive
bat out there and score as many as we can
before a number comes up on it, you know, our
number comes up and it could have been any ball really,
but we just bowled really well. They bowled appallingly. We thought, well,
(37:55):
and you know that was really it. I mean I
remember Hogan taking a catch off Bosom at batpad Bocky
getting a wicket very early on. I mean, everything just
went well. Best catch I took at slip off Lamb
and you know, as both of them left, actually he
(38:16):
said to me, I'll see you at Elton John's concert tonight.
You know, they were really they were gone the English
at that time. It was called the Six Drugs Rock
and Roll Tour, wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
Where was it?
Speaker 5 (38:30):
No? That was the concert was in christ Church. The
concert was in christ Church, so yeah, I don't know.
There was stories of backstage parties and then there were
rumors of smoking marijuana in the dressing room too. I
went and I couldn't smell any and I think there
was a bit of mythology in that. Yeah, but you
(38:52):
know it was just a cracker of a match, really
it was.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
But deary, I mean incredible because England, you know, bowled
out for eighty two and ninety three play New Zealand
three hundred and seven. And when you look at the
because you know the run rates weren't as high in
those days and the pitch was my recollection anyway, and
I stand to be corrected, was that it was thought
to be, you know, green and seeming on the first
(39:18):
day New Zealand better for seventy two overs and scored
three hundred and seven. And you talked about Bocky picking
up a wicket early. I remember him. He got Graham Fowler.
You know, there were only a couple of overs to
bowl up he boldsday and he bowled Fowler and quickly
just coming back to neil Meleander as well. No one
(39:41):
in Otago could understand why they packed Pycot over Melender.
Melender was quick, but it came from playing for Northens
in those days in an unfashionable county. He ended up
in nineteen ninety two playing a couple of Tests for
England and took ten wickets at twenty one, never to
be seen again.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
So wonderful memories. And you were probably preparing pitches down
there Gath for warren Lees and under his instructions was
he anything to do with them the team? Then?
Speaker 6 (40:10):
Well he was, but I was preparing pitches for the
club games I was playing and.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
Shirt fronts.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
Yeah, so when we played against against Koker as he
played for, he would run in and bowl and try
and bounce me. It would pitch halfway down the pitch
and come up to about my ankles and he would grin.
I'd spent eight hours a day on the roll.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Great memories, the things we did for our own performance
in club Quicken and then of course you came to
Wellington and really set us on our backside. Garth. That
was really good. We do with FA a bit of
time here. Thanks very much for joining us. This week
time comes to an end. We'll look at rules. There's
some big changes I haven't been able to understand myself,
(40:57):
particularly the one about why they change the ball and
have only one ball in the last sixteen overs of
a one day international. We'll have to have a look
at that and discuss on the future occasion. Thanks for
doing us, guys, for makes your memories. So we'll talk
again a.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
Right, I want to see that it is a one guys,
All the wadysumming.
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