October 7, 2025 • 43 mins
What did we learn from the Chappell-Hadlee series - apart from not scheduling international cricket in October?
We also discuss the White Ferns' backs-to-the wall fight for a semi-final berth at the World Cup, and will the ICC ban on USAC have an impact on our involvement with the MLC in America?
And Remember This recalls Malcolm Nash’s place in cricket history.
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Hello, Rebecka ken on the front foot the black Cats
were they bullied out of the chapel Headley The coach
is to be fair, we were a little bit of
our best games, a little bit off. Have we learned
anything other than not playing international cricket in October? Some
bright spots from the rain effected series, our white fans
(01:09):
slipping out of World Cup semi final contenion, greed, governance issues,
testing the boundaries and we remember this something poor old
Malcolm Nash would not want to remember. That's all coming
up on the front foard with Peter Holland who's joined
us along with Jeremy Kenney and out muscled with the
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bat JC or was it just one man who outmuscled us?
We weren't in the contest, really were.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
We No, I think that Ozzie was superior probably all
round words, but yes, muscled certainly by one man. He
dominated the whole well two and a bit games, didn't
He loads of players missing, of course from both sides,
so that increased the experimental kind of atmosphere. The conditions,
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well you've mentioned them, really average at best to the
ground staff. By the way, the ball that just nipped
a bit, and the spinners had sort of hand warmers,
didn't They must have been freezing. Game two was actually
kind of almost dangerous to the fielders, wasn't it, with
the knees digging into the ground now that they had
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to come and.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Sort of fix each time.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Miserable weather, miserable, nothing like sitting on a sloping bankers
there in the freezing cold.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Not the time of year we want to be watching
crickets in well, anywhere, and we picked probably one of
the best places you can go. Whetherwise it didn't front
up most What did you make of it all?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
It did look miserable on television my lor, But what
I would say is what possessed people and in scheduling
the games to start at seven point fifteen when we
had daylight saving way on the Saturdays and Friday matches.
Couldn't they be starting at four point thirty five end
of the day. There wasn't too much conflict thing in
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terms of other other activities. It just looked ghastly. It
still had quite good people there, but but you know,
nothing better than watching cricket in daylight's.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Observation, certainly on the Saturday most absolutely, And I just I.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Just think I just scratches, scratch my head on on
on what happened there. I think New Zealand came in underdone.
Whereas Australia had already been playing in the in the
warm climbs of Northern Australia, in in in the territory
and in far North Queensland, they just came in looking
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far well, far better. That's said. We're not for for
Mitch Marsha, I'm a bit of a fan of because
he seems like a very very good rooster, but a
damn fine player, you know. But for one hundred that
he scored, there wasn't much else coming from Australia. But
I just think we looked underdone. And I use that
you use the word out muscled words and I probably
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agree with you. There a couple of bright spots, Tim Robinson,
very much so, and let's not forget your minition good contribution.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, indeed, well that bright spot that we can reflect
on the batting of Tim Robinson in game one. I mean,
he's always been a player with talent glimpses at time
of what he could do. Remember the super smash at
the base reserve when he scored one hundred and thirty
nine against Otaga marked him down as a player of
the future, but he's reluctant to acknowledge this particular rings
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against Australia as a breakthrough in terms of future selection.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I think that's always going to get you unraveled when
you are thinking ahead and not thinking about trying to
win a game and trying to be for your team
in the best position that you possibly can. And that's
the brand of credit we play here, and it's to me,
it's the best. It's the best brand doing what you
can for the team in that moment. And so you
know what comes of this comes of this, But you know,
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I'm just pretty happy to try and perform for my team,
albeit in a losing losing cause.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Today, how important was it taking time just to get
the conditions at the start.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
I think cricket ebbs and flows, and I know that's cliche,
but you've sort of got to keep telling yourself that
when you're out there, because some days you're getting over
that goes with fifteen and you're flying, and then the
next over goes for three or four, and so it's
just one of those things where you've got to keep
telling yourself that it's going to be okay, it's all good.
So that's what I was telling myself out there, was
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trying and get through it and get your teeth and
go through the hard parts and it'll you know, it's
light at the end of the tunne, I suppose, and
in little mini sections.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So yeah, yeah, I'm sure it was encouraging. In the
Reset partnership.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
I think there was a it was a little bit
twofold there because that there was obviously quite a heavy
wind towards that league side, and it was my matchup,
I suppose, And what we talk what we talk about
as a team is making the most of your matchups.
So you know, I certainly I'll certainly be buying them
a beer later, but that's not to say that wasn't
for the team as well, so yeah, but he he
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is the kind of guy that would do something like
that as well.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
He's a fantastic guy.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
In that final over one hundred seemed to be slipping away.
You had to be innovative.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
I think I had to.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I think my decision was made for me given the
fact that he that dwarfius but now its last two
wide Yorkers, and I hate to get it to the fence,
and I think that was my that was my number
one option at the time, and sort of tried to
back it and went to it, and luckily it came off.
Those those shots are always sort of fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I suppose what partner the experience of Daryl Mitchill play
in forging the partnership and getting through to a respectable total.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
So Darryl came out and was very clear on the
fact that he wanted to still be positive in the
power play and make the most of it.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
And we're sort of.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Thinking were try and react to what we'd been given
and try and hit the boundary balls for four or
six or make the most of them. He was instrumental
in giving us an extra kickstart over those those I
suppose over those early wickets. My philosophy on T twenty
cricket is taking the right risk at the right time,
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and so I thought the deeper that we could have
taken it, the I suppose better chance we had of
making a.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Good, decent, decent score.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
So yeah, I think those those moments you look back
on them and can be can be pivotal, pivotal.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
You know, one falls slightly.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
To the right or left of a fielder and and
you've got a little bit of momentum back and Darrel
was instrumental and and sort of grabbing that momentum and
we kind of rolled with it through the middle stages.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
What were you most proud of?
Speaker 7 (07:40):
I think the way the timing of the innings.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
I think because previously, I suppose a less mature tim
would would have just gone out and tried to whack everything.
But I suppose I think there's still an element of
trying to play the game situation in T twenty cricket,
and and whether that is you're feeling good and it's
trying to add every bull for six, or whether it's
not and we're three down and and you know, and
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trying to grab a little momentum backet's how do you
do that?
Speaker 7 (08:10):
And how do you do that with less risk? And
so that's sort of what I try and try and
do with the T twenty betting.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Now, I suppose I think he's got a fairly common
sense attitude to what he's doing at the top level.
He's got to speak now, you know, team first, has
any Jerry in terms of how he's preparing himself?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Oh dear, I mean, you know we've heard it so
many times, all the answers, haven't we, all three of us,
in a way that you come to sort of think, oh, well,
he's doing at that one. He's playing that little one,
is he? So I'm sure he means it. I think
that's a good way to go. Most sides have a
bit of both, don't they. They have players who really
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enjoy the team atmosphere and want the team to go
well and hold that as the main kind of principal
sort about why they're playing. Others like to go more
of the personal way and say, look, if I do
my job well, then the team is going to benefit.
And so you know, there are those two. They're the
main main two sort of drivers.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
If you like.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It seems to me, but New Zealand just simply didn't
make enough runs and seeming conditions, they lost the toss
a couple of times, didn't they, and and found themselves
against I thought the Aussie bowlers, Hazelwood, Abbott, Bartlett Dorsches
were all just a little bit more accurate. They were
all able to bowl their Yorkers when it was required
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later and they were always able to bowl that wide yorker,
particularly Hazelwood, and he bowled. He reeled off four at
the start, didn't end the last game, but I mean,
I just felt they were a wee bit better all round.
Their skills were a wee bit better than ours.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, that's fair enough too. I mean in terms of
Robinson though most you've got to give him some credit
for that. That's a pretty good knock. There were six
for three and he's trying to recover the innings.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
With Darryl Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Took a little bit of time. You just don't go
out Willie early and hit from war one, as say
siph It did, but you know, against an Australian attack
like that, that's a pretty significant innings in terms of
his development as an international player.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I wouldn't underestimate it at all. I think in very
difficult conditions with wickets falling at the other end, and
then to get it up to where they got that
number two was pretty admirable. No, I think that's a
very fine innings. And I think it's important because the
twenty twenty game is not the game that it was
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even a couple of years ago. They just seemed to
go for it from bar one and keep going. You
made me three down, but we just we have to
keep going. And where scores of a while ago, of
one sixty, that was a winning score if you were
approaching two hundred.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Now, yeah, well we made one hundred and eighty five,
didn't we? Yeah well they didn't.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
They one hundred eighty Well we got one hundred and
eighty one, I think something like that. But they won
it by twenty one balls, so that's over three overs,
you see. So they got it in sixteen and a
half overs. So you know, you're right, it's two hundred now.
This one sixty has become two hundred and those and
in difficult conditions even though it was the smallest ground completely.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
But I wouldn't underestimate Robinson, you know, I think we
will say they have to look at Alan. I just
can I put a kind of positive question, can't wait?
I think he's going to go back and either revisit
his game, but looks really out of touch. I know
it's treason this, but has the game passed moved past
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Kane Williamson in twenty twenty cricket?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Ah, Well, that's interesting because his position is still under scrutiny.
I suppose with the with the coaches. Rachen Ravenna of
course was out and that was why Robinson got a chance.
But is it time now to look at these players
rather than say Kane Williamson. Rob Walters says he's content.
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He'd give Williamson time extra time to decide his future.
I mean, you know, how does he need extra time?
He must know what the season is hed. He wasn't
perturbed about the fact that he didn't have his full
string squad, But I mean, you know, Caine Williamson, Yeah,
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he deserves a bit of special recognition, doesn't he. But
I mean he must know what the season's gonna hold,
what he's available for. Are we picking our side around
him rather than around what's best for the whole of
New Zealand? Cricket. I don't know, Jerry, how do you
look at it?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I think there's plenty of places. What's up for grabs now?
I mean I'm just looking at that. You would think
that Siphered, because he also keeps, is more of a
lock in for opening, isn't he? So I would have
thought that therefore Conway is fighting for a place. The
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other options, of course fin Allen and Robinson he's also opened,
and Revendra has also opened an ODI cricket as well,
So we've got a few options there. Number three it
could be Robinson as well, or Revender. It could be Williamson. Look,
you could go through probably most of the batting order,
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I mean, Mitchell or Revender.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
At four. Does do any of the A team come
into it?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know? Does does Muhammad Abas who bowls of it
as well? Not quite well enough yet, but but does
Mara who come into the opening position. He's more of
a more of a longer term batsman, a lot longer
time at.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The crease batsman. But Phillips isn't. Phillip's young.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
The other Phillips who was in the A side, he
might come into, you know, calculations Number five you could
have Mitchell there, you could have Chapman there, you could
have Phillips there. I mean there are options as we
go all down that side six Chapmen and Phillips perhaps,
and seven you might have Bracewell, Phillips center or Niche.
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So there are loads of options I think for New
Zealand now, whether they are older players coming back, like
a Niche who can bowl a bit. Bracewell is handy,
we know Phillips has had, so there are lots of
options for Rob Walter there.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
And I think given that where the World Cup's going
to be played, which is in the Subcontinent, you know,
perhaps you need to have alternatives because you're going to
get different sorts of conditions, different types of wickets, which
is where Williamson can come in. But where us just
get out there on a flat deck and smash it.
I don't think that's his game. So I think that
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you do need to have alternative plans for the conditions
that you're going to play in. And I'm quite pleased,
pleasantly pleased at what seems to is an emerging depth
in the in the men's game.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well, the depth is there, I guess, I mean the
advantage that Conway has when he's on top of his
game is the left hander and the left right opening partnership.
But you've got to be on form now, don't you.
You've got to be able to hold together. And I
don't think it helps to be going from ball one
when you're playing day one of a series against Australia.
(15:31):
I think you have to, you know, just have a
look for an over to to see what the deck
is like. But I'm interested in your comment. Is there
any other than the sub content to play a world
companies too? It seems let's have a World Cup. Oh well,
we might as well go to India, Pakistan and and
Sri Lanka because you can't play India and Pakistan in
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any other country.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
That's a provocative statement to Brian. But it can't be
held in Pakistan for reasons which we understand and we
have covered that previously. But ah yeah, well what can
we say. They do have very fine facilities in India,
don't they, And so so be it, and it's a
good meeting spot sort of halfway around the world for everyone.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So that okay, Well, we've had a chance to have
a look at the Indian subcontinent and of course Sri
Lanka because the white Ferns are in India. They're coming
up against well some must win games for them, Bangladesh,
Pakistan and Sri Lanka. South Africa was a must win,
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but it wasn't a great celebration for Susie Bates three
hundred and fiftieth. Think of that three hundred and fiftieth
match for New Zealand first baller oh Safety Devine three hundredth.
Now she is back to the sort of form that
we know, Jerry. But they're going to have to get
some more from some of these other players otherwise semi
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final is going to be gone in a couple of games,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Look it's a pretty obvious thing to say, but in
my opinion New Zealand have become the women's side anyway,
have become a side that needs runs, and it's in
other words they're bowling. Isn't strong enough alone to simply
win games by bowling sides out on a regular basis.
We just we kind of don't have the quicks. We
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got loads of medium fast bowlers and they seem to
be putting their emphasis in that direction. I mean, when
Devonshire had to leave the party. Unfortunately they pick they
pick a seema who can batter bit, so we've got
we've ended up, I mean illly at the moment is
kind of is not as quick as she might get
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as she gets gains, you know, a bit of strength
and as she gets older. But divine Jess Ker, Halliday
Row Baits as I see described as a medium pacer
and Mayor they're all kinds of medium pace bowlers about
the same, and I you know, they just don't bowl
people out. And we need runs, weight of run to
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put pressure on the opposition, and we can't defend a
low total. And so yeah, so it didn't start well
losing Baits first ball.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
But she got so far to the off side.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Her head was on the off side, most of her
body was on the off side. And it's always if
you're coming from outside off stump across with your bat,
it's a longer distance than coming straight in, and so
you're always just a little bit late, as she was.
And so she missed it and was LB. And then
Plumber and Ker just struggled forty eight dots in the
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power play. Forty eight that's eight overs of dots where
you don't score. Look they were driving the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I don't know whether you watch, I just I couldn't
believe it.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
They were just driving the ball to mid Off, driving
it to mid On, driving it to cover. It was
like they were having a net That's what it looked
like to me, hoping that they'd find a gap but
weren't able to. And so, you know, Plumber thirty one
or sixty odd, I mean that really puts the pressure on,
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doesn't it. And so from being you know, and then
we did we got back.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Into the game, didn't we.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I think between overs thirty and forty when Halliday and
Divine we ended up about one hundred and.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Ninety for three.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yes, and we were kind of in a position where
we might get something a bit testing and then Calypsto
Collapso wasn't it really for New Zealand six for thirty odd?
And so players like Green and Gays and Josh Kerr
and Tahouhu, they are not inexperienced players. Green has had
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eighty three ODI's and Gays is twenty five. Jess Kurz
had forty one, to who's had ninety nine. We've got
to get fifteen or twenty from each at least we
get another eighty runs. We've got to get runs from down.
We've got to get a total. And my concern would be,
and then I watched for a while, watch when New
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Zealand bowled. Now, England beat South Africa by what by
bowling spines right and bowled them out for sixty loading
twenty overs? Right now, why didn't we try a spinner?
Why was pearr left until they bowled fourteen out of
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twenty overs? England at Pakistan bowled them out. Why didn't
at least New Zealand remind them and try care a
little bit earlier than the thirteenth? And Carson when she
came in the school was one hundred and seven for one.
I went to bed, you know, I mean this, Why
doren't we doing these things? It seems to me we're
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bowling the very formulated kind of will stay up with
the lingam will start with Sansan, then the vinyl coming
and then there'll be another scene. We've got to be
a wee bit more flexible, I think than some of
those things. Now we're My concern would be just to
finish my points would be. We're now playing Bangladesh, as
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you say, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and India. Now Bangladesh, you've
got four or five spinners. Through Sri Lanka you can
be sure have plenty. Pakistan have got five, India have
got three, England have got three or four.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I just think I hope, I hope we can put
together some totals because otherwise we're hanging by a three,
don't we.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It's hard to be optimistic, it would be my sense
of this. Bangladesh, they were in the game well and true,
totally well and truly in their game there and England,
would you have to say probably them in Australia are
ods on to be the two the two better sides
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of them all Toss and South Africa if if, if
they have a good day. But on India and India,
oh sorry, yeah, yeah, apologies absolutely India. I'm just thinking, yeah,
we could be three zero and three without any doubt.
And I don't I don't want that and I don't
wish that. But I agree with you Jerry around around
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the use of spinners, and and hell, if we're playing
Bangladesh and I've got those number of spinners, well I
can I can guess what sort of wicket it's going
to be and if you're just bowling bowling medium paces
or that's just going to come on that beautiful and
be working Bangladesh's favor. So I will I'm concerned on
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more ground works.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, the ground that they're playing at is good, HARDI
where they've already had about three or four games, so
the bounce is going to get lower. It won't be
a lively pitch, so they're going to have to be tested.
And of course they did have another spinner, fran Jonas
was left at home for ev and so they've they've
made a decision there that a seam bowler. Well Rosemary Mare,
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isn't it. I mean she's slightly above medium, I suppose,
but she's not a quick bowler. They've got problems and
I'm sure that they'll be working through days. Friday is
the game against Bangladesh. Hopefully the New Zealand at White
Fence are able to get their first win.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
How would you like to be a cricket administrator? Ah, well,
some of us are. I'm caught in the middle of
administration at the moment in terms of local cricket. But
there's been a power struggle at the heart of the
game in the USA for over a month now, and
it's escalated with the American Cricket Enterprises. They're the parent
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company of Major League Cricket. They're taking on us a
cricket who have now gone into liquidation or have handled
the league. Tell me what they're doing most, because you
understand the stuff more than I do. I mean, you've
got to have a body administering cricket. Well, the ic
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C have taken that power away from the USAC.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
So what's happened is that the USA Cricket, which is
the member of the ICC so called which oversees cricket
in the US, it's filed for what's known as Chapter eleven.
What is chapter eleven? Chapter eleven is a form of bankruptcy,
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but what it provides is a mechanism by which parties
who file for Chapter eleven it buys them time and
space in order to reorganize their affairs. Typically this would
be in the case of financing obligations which often forced
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them into companies into Chapter eleven. What's happened here is
there is an agreement a fifty year agreement. Fifty year
agreement was signed in twenty nineteen between us A Cricket
and ACE American Cricket Enterprises, which own owns Major League Cricket,
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a fifty year contract. There are allegations that it was
negotiated somewhat behind closed doors conflicts of interest. I see
a lot of what's happening here is a number of egos,
influential people at play. But in commercial terms, what that
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contract was intended to do was to funnel inverted commas.
And that's the word I read in the news, in
the news articles, funnel fun up into USA Cricket. But
it's not sufficient for what or what USA Cricket would
consider fair value. In other words, Chapter eleven will give
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or should give USA Cricket the ability to renegotiate that contract.
It doesn't help that the ICC have indicated that have
been serious breaches of membership, breaches that USA Cricket have
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entered into and therefore have also been suspended. That's another
reason why someone might want to go into chapter eleven.
It buys time and it makes everyone step back in
order to sort your house out.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, hardly the environment the game needs anyway, here?
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
No so it's not actual bankruptcy. And the terms that
I understand bankruptcy moves is that right? I thought it
was a legal process where you can't pay your bills
basically to your debtors. But it's nothing to do that
do with that. But is there if you declare it?
If you declare it, because there was going to be
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a court case between USAK and ACE, wasn't there right? So,
And with about twenty minutes to go before the start
of this case, this court case they in came this
report that they had declared themselves bankrupt.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
It's not bankrupt, correct, It's not. It's what they called
They filed for Chapter eleven, which is this. It's basically
it's a stay and unless you can actually it enables
them to reorganize their affairs pretty much.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, well that's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yes, and that's and it does provide a very good forum.
It's it's something that doesn't exist in New Zealand or
Australia or Canada. They have different arrangements for insolvencies type
arrangements such as this, but this isn't an insolvency situation.
It buys time to reorganize your affairs. So I'm looking
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at that and thinking I've got to sort of stuff
out with the ICC because they've withdrawn membership effectively. And secondly,
I've got this contract which I view as uncommercial, which
I being US, which I signed, which they signed. Well,
some people are saying there were conflicts of interest they
also read somewhere, so that is that is what they
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need to sort out. And bearing in mind that the
USA Cricket is the party which is going to be
apparently be participating in the World Cup twenty twenty, and
then there's a thing called the Olympics where cricket is
going to be in the US.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
The other thing is that New Zealand are in Beard
with ACE, who are the promoters of the Major League.
What impact does that have on New Zealand's involvement with them.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Well, my sense is that it will be interesting because
what you've got is is that it's whether it's with
ACE or whether it's with one of the franchises, which
is if you're like down the food chain, it shouldn't
affect what arrangements those are. Although in a lot of contracts,
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commercial contracts, they have the fault provisions which in the
event that there's an insolvency event, which which a Chapter
eleven is would be termed. Then you may be able
to repudiate or walk away from the contracts should you
so choose. Now I don't know whether that applies because
because of the of the arrangements enter, because I completely
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haven't been privy to it. But but it's it. I'd
be certainly if I meant cricket, I'd be I'd be
digging out the contracts and have a look at what
it means for us.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It seems to me this is this thing that New
Zealand has entered. It's the first time I've ever heard
of a full member of the ICC having an agreement
with a club or a domestic side from a from
another country's competition in that it's a franchise and New
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Zealand we're going to supply things like I understood was
sort of high performance and operational support and coaching and
turf management and physios and things like that, or as
you say, a franchise that isn't yet actually operating and
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ace this have the choice over these next two franchises
as they try to grow this competition called the MLC.
And and so they are going to be in Toronto
and places like that, in Atlanta and New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
We're going to be part of that. Now.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I don't know they're supplying. They are suppliers, if you like.
Aren't they of a skill where presumably one party is
going to pay money provide money? And New Zealand would
provide the expertise, the cricket expertise to go with some
of those things. And I would have thought Weenick would
have thought he can supply players as well, and perhaps
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retain some players instead of going on you know, casual contracts,
when they could say to them at contract time, well
we've got this team over in the MLC that we
could actually have a pathway towards and we have a
part of this. I think that was kind of the
reasoning behind it. Well it kind of makes sense. But
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now that this has happened, I just wonder who's in charge,
who's going to be running those things, and who are
they dealing with now. So that was just the questions
that I have, and I mean for people listening. The
MLC run for about three or four weeks I think
in June and July, and there are people like Matt
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Henry and Ravendra and Finellen and Trent Bolt. They're the
guys that are actually from New Zealand in that competition already.
So I just wonder what it means though for New
Zealand Cricket who have gone into this deal with and
they seem very keen to get quite close and cuddle
up to the USA Cricket as well. There are other
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things that are happening and so I just I wonder
how that is now because who was actually running USA
Cricket at the moment.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Well, just remember ACE is an effective party because of
the ACE being the American Cricket Enterprise of to change
the n more. See, Yeah, the party that has gone
into chapter eleven is USA Cricket the people who are
running that, and that's typically run by a trusting bank.
(33:08):
Cruptcy is what they refer to it. But I did
note in one of the press for releases that they
said we have been forced into the protections of the
US Bankruptcy cold because ACE is well aware of its
stature as an eight hundred pound gorilla and has weaponized
its financial muscle to frustrate our ability to govern the sport.
(33:29):
And that's from the general Council of of USA Cricket.
So it's it's it's all about the commercialities as between
ACE and USA Cricket down in the MLC. I'm not
sure that that's going to be affected because you know
that's where all the television rights are and what have you.
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They sit with ACE.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
So we'll waiting so do because well there with Willow
TV and they have all the broadcasting rights for the MLC.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
It may it may not affect the arrangements that New
Zealand Cricket have entered into, which is supplying of what
I would refer was intellectual capital or IP, which is
not financial capital like cash through people, players and capabilities,
if you will. So it may be business as usual,
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but it certainly added a complication, shall we say, and
a degree of uncertainty in the game over there.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, interesting stuff. I'll have to follow that one through
because New Zealand will have a bit part to play
in all of that. Finally, this week a quick one.
How would you like to be remembered by your cricketing
mates as the manner is it for six sixers in
the row? Malcolm Nish, poor old Malcolm nsh.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
That's he's got to kick. That's the right distance he's
at that out of the ground. That's another one. Books
that tap at the top we said that start claiming
up that have a looked over the wall two and
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twenty nine minutes. That's another one up for being close up.
Three balls, three sixes, fifty eight have an incredible bit
of hitting. Oh he's got the shorter one. What's up again?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
There?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
They're crouncing on them, pouncing on the concrete.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
Four six and in four balls. This makes him sixty
four four sixes underwear. Mash is going to bowl this one.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
On that well, just.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Carrying now he's going to be out go that all
croppings over the boundary. Six It is five on the trot.
I know this is incredible. Now is this is six
on the Trot's a world record been done before, but.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Seventy on the board.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
And he's done. It's gone.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
You ever?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
For six sexes? Anytime?
Speaker 5 (36:18):
It's surprising. One wasn't. But Malcolm Mash, what I understand
was the case because I remember seeing it in black
and white television. I think it was and so was.
He's just whistling him out of the park. But he's
bowling left arm orthodox correct. Malcolm Nash was actually a
left arm medium pacer, so it was a bit of
(36:40):
a trial which didn't seem to go that well for him,
and that's what he's been known for. But he was
the long term player forgamont and I played a number
of years I I recall.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
But oh I did, Moose, you're right.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
He played between the sixties and the eighties, early eighties,
so I I met him. He actually he had initials M. A.
N Man and he was quite a confident feller as
I could remember, and I know the players from Glamorgan
called him super and he got over nine hundred and
(37:15):
ninety first class wickets as a seemer. He ran off
about twelve paces, he gotten close. He had a good,
nice whippy action and he you know, and pitched it up.
He want to get edges and things. They won Glamorgan
ants that thought of very highly. Now are they they've
down the bottom of the second division usually, but in
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sixty nine they won the Hold County Championship and he
was right at the top of it, actually, Malcolm Nash.
But he had been practicing bowling quite brusk left arm
spin like Derek Underwood and so that's why he was.
He was bowling spin, you're right that day and Sobers
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he went in late. He was playing for Knots Sobers
against Nash playing for Glamorgan, and Sobers went in at
number seven that day so that he could fit in
a visit to the bookies. And he was a bit
peeved off actually that Knott's run rate hadn't wasn't as
high as it was, and so he wanted quick runs
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you see in a declaration. And so I remember the
match was drifting and Nash just thought that he would
buy this new sort of left arm orthodox quick style.
And the first one went over long on and out
of Saint Helen's the ground. The second one was roughly
in the same direction, hit on the top of the
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Cricketers Pub which we used to have a couple of
drinks and after we finished play, and then the third
third ball went over long off into the wooden benches.
Used to go down loads of steps with wooden benches
alongside of you as you walk down. Tony Lewis, who
was the captain of Glamorgan, advised Nash at this point,
how about playing? How about bowling some seamers now whack
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it into the block hole as you usually do well.
Nash ignored that a sportsball went over deep wicket and
then the fifth ball he hit, Sobers hit high to
long off and we heard in the commentary there it
was caught by a guy called Roger Davis before he
toppled backwards. He toppled backwards and Sobers began to walk off.
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But there was a guy playing for the Gomorgan, a
fella called Tony Caudle, advised that Davis had actually carried
the ball over the rope in toppling backwards.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
So it was now on the last.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Ball of the over that was five sixes that Nash
reverted to seam up.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
He went back and went off his.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Twelve or thirteen paces, but he did continue round the
wicket and it was he dragged one down and Sobers
just hammered it out of the ground. So so that
was the sixth sixers and Wadd's even from a radio
point of view, great comment.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
You know, great sort of power effects, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
But the the Morgan secretary, I I can't remember his name,
was doing that commonary and he didn't go back to
London or hand it back to BBC at all, and
just kept on commentating and he actually got a moment
of kind of that you'd never forget an immortality, didn't he.
Really it was a bit like kind of Roger Banister
(40:27):
in like the four minute mile on. It really had
never been done before. But he did actually write a book,
Malcolm Nash and an autobiography. It was called not Only,
which is obviously how everybody remembers and not the only
remembered for six sixes and it's good not only but
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also and he could then tell his autobiography about the
nine hundred and ninety wickets and they beat the Aussies
too that on nineteen sixty eight, who were touring that time,
So they were a good shide and he.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Was very much at the heart. Yeah it's interesting you say,
we are.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, Mousie was saying that, you know, it sort of
lives in your memory because it's one of those special
moments of cricket. Yes, it's been done since, but at
that stage it was a special moment. I think Ravish
Shastri has done it too, hasn't he? But uh, you
know everybody wanted to be sobers as well in those days,
didn't they.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Well, yeah, it was very evocative, as I sort of
saying watching it on. For for us it was a
black and white TV in somewhat blurry the commentary. And
as the young kid as I was at the time,
I was, and Sobers was the special special player, greatest,
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greatest ever, some would say, but I mean just the whole,
the whole element of all that and and where it
was in that ground. It's just yeah, it's it's it's
just stuck in my memory and quite wonderful. You're fantastic
to bring back up and think about it again.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
You're right. You're right, Jerry about the sound effects. You
can hear the ball hitting the back, can't you? Every
time he goes for sex. Yeah, yeah, it was quite amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
I have to say though that I hit a six
further on Saint Helens than Sobers because my one, when
I hit it out of the ground, it was it
bounced into a Toyota and ended up in Abergavenny.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
So much further so you have got a record there.
It's not as good as.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
The No, I'm not comparing myself to Sobers. I've got
to say that that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It's like the old days of the player from Carraa.
You hit the ball into a tram outside the base
in reserve and it ended up at Island Bay. The numbers,
I mean, that's that's just a little bit of history.
I can share something with you though, Jeremy, that you
will be happy to know Glamorgan have earned promotion to
Division one after finishing second in Division two this year.
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There you go, you know, they might have been living
off the history of Malcolm Nash.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Be remembered.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Forever.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Remember.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Thanks guys. I hope you can go away and enjoy
some cricket of the White Ferns variety and we can
perhaps talk about a charge towards semi finals and England
aren't far away. They're going to be with us in
no time at all.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Thanks you, John.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
All right, what's cheers.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
All the wonderful summer.
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Speaker 2 (00:47):
Hello, Rebecka ken on the front foot the black Cats
were they bullied out of the chapel Headley The coach
is to be fair, we were a little bit of
our best games, a little bit off. Have we learned
anything other than not playing international cricket in October? Some
bright spots from the rain effected series, our white fans
(01:09):
slipping out of World Cup semi final contenion, greed, governance issues,
testing the boundaries and we remember this something poor old
Malcolm Nash would not want to remember. That's all coming
up on the front foard with Peter Holland who's joined
us along with Jeremy Kenney and out muscled with the
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bat JC or was it just one man who outmuscled us?
We weren't in the contest, really were.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
We No, I think that Ozzie was superior probably all
round words, but yes, muscled certainly by one man. He
dominated the whole well two and a bit games, didn't
He loads of players missing, of course from both sides,
so that increased the experimental kind of atmosphere. The conditions,
(02:02):
well you've mentioned them, really average at best to the
ground staff. By the way, the ball that just nipped
a bit, and the spinners had sort of hand warmers,
didn't They must have been freezing. Game two was actually
kind of almost dangerous to the fielders, wasn't it, with
the knees digging into the ground now that they had
(02:25):
to come and.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Sort of fix each time.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Miserable weather, miserable, nothing like sitting on a sloping bankers
there in the freezing cold.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Not the time of year we want to be watching
crickets in well, anywhere, and we picked probably one of
the best places you can go. Whetherwise it didn't front
up most What did you make of it all?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
It did look miserable on television my lor, But what
I would say is what possessed people and in scheduling
the games to start at seven point fifteen when we
had daylight saving way on the Saturdays and Friday matches.
Couldn't they be starting at four point thirty five end
of the day. There wasn't too much conflict thing in
(03:08):
terms of other other activities. It just looked ghastly. It
still had quite good people there, but but you know,
nothing better than watching cricket in daylight's.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Observation, certainly on the Saturday most absolutely, And I just I.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
Just think I just scratches, scratch my head on on
on what happened there. I think New Zealand came in underdone.
Whereas Australia had already been playing in the in the
warm climbs of Northern Australia, in in in the territory
and in far North Queensland, they just came in looking
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far well, far better. That's said. We're not for for
Mitch Marsha, I'm a bit of a fan of because
he seems like a very very good rooster, but a
damn fine player, you know. But for one hundred that
he scored, there wasn't much else coming from Australia. But
I just think we looked underdone. And I use that
you use the word out muscled words and I probably
(04:09):
agree with you. There a couple of bright spots, Tim Robinson,
very much so, and let's not forget your minition good contribution.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, indeed, well that bright spot that we can reflect
on the batting of Tim Robinson in game one. I mean,
he's always been a player with talent glimpses at time
of what he could do. Remember the super smash at
the base reserve when he scored one hundred and thirty
nine against Otaga marked him down as a player of
the future, but he's reluctant to acknowledge this particular rings
(04:39):
against Australia as a breakthrough in terms of future selection.
Speaker 6 (04:43):
I think that's always going to get you unraveled when
you are thinking ahead and not thinking about trying to
win a game and trying to be for your team
in the best position that you possibly can. And that's
the brand of credit we play here, and it's to me,
it's the best. It's the best brand doing what you
can for the team in that moment. And so you
know what comes of this comes of this, But you know,
(05:04):
I'm just pretty happy to try and perform for my team,
albeit in a losing losing cause.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Today, how important was it taking time just to get
the conditions at the start.
Speaker 7 (05:16):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
I think cricket ebbs and flows, and I know that's cliche,
but you've sort of got to keep telling yourself that
when you're out there, because some days you're getting over
that goes with fifteen and you're flying, and then the
next over goes for three or four, and so it's
just one of those things where you've got to keep
telling yourself that it's going to be okay, it's all good.
So that's what I was telling myself out there, was
(05:38):
trying and get through it and get your teeth and
go through the hard parts and it'll you know, it's
light at the end of the tunne, I suppose, and
in little mini sections.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
So yeah, yeah, I'm sure it was encouraging. In the
Reset partnership.
Speaker 6 (05:48):
I think there was a it was a little bit
twofold there because that there was obviously quite a heavy
wind towards that league side, and it was my matchup,
I suppose, And what we talk what we talk about
as a team is making the most of your matchups.
So you know, I certainly I'll certainly be buying them
a beer later, but that's not to say that wasn't
for the team as well, so yeah, but he he
(06:08):
is the kind of guy that would do something like
that as well.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
He's a fantastic guy.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
In that final over one hundred seemed to be slipping away.
You had to be innovative.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
I think I had to.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
I think my decision was made for me given the
fact that he that dwarfius but now its last two
wide Yorkers, and I hate to get it to the fence,
and I think that was my that was my number
one option at the time, and sort of tried to
back it and went to it, and luckily it came off.
Those those shots are always sort of fifty to fifty.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
I suppose what partner the experience of Daryl Mitchill play
in forging the partnership and getting through to a respectable total.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
So Darryl came out and was very clear on the
fact that he wanted to still be positive in the
power play and make the most of it.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
And we're sort of.
Speaker 6 (06:51):
Thinking were try and react to what we'd been given
and try and hit the boundary balls for four or
six or make the most of them. He was instrumental
in giving us an extra kickstart over those those I
suppose over those early wickets. My philosophy on T twenty
cricket is taking the right risk at the right time,
(07:12):
and so I thought the deeper that we could have
taken it, the I suppose better chance we had of
making a.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
Good, decent, decent score.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
So yeah, I think those those moments you look back
on them and can be can be pivotal, pivotal.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
You know, one falls slightly.
Speaker 6 (07:30):
To the right or left of a fielder and and
you've got a little bit of momentum back and Darrel
was instrumental and and sort of grabbing that momentum and
we kind of rolled with it through the middle stages.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
What were you most proud of?
Speaker 7 (07:40):
I think the way the timing of the innings.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
I think because previously, I suppose a less mature tim
would would have just gone out and tried to whack everything.
But I suppose I think there's still an element of
trying to play the game situation in T twenty cricket,
and and whether that is you're feeling good and it's
trying to add every bull for six, or whether it's
not and we're three down and and you know, and
(08:08):
trying to grab a little momentum backet's how do you
do that?
Speaker 7 (08:10):
And how do you do that with less risk? And
so that's sort of what I try and try and
do with the T twenty betting.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Now, I suppose I think he's got a fairly common
sense attitude to what he's doing at the top level.
He's got to speak now, you know, team first, has
any Jerry in terms of how he's preparing himself?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Oh dear, I mean, you know we've heard it so
many times, all the answers, haven't we, all three of us,
in a way that you come to sort of think, oh, well,
he's doing at that one. He's playing that little one,
is he? So I'm sure he means it. I think
that's a good way to go. Most sides have a
bit of both, don't they. They have players who really
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enjoy the team atmosphere and want the team to go
well and hold that as the main kind of principal
sort about why they're playing. Others like to go more
of the personal way and say, look, if I do
my job well, then the team is going to benefit.
And so you know, there are those two. They're the
main main two sort of drivers.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
If you like.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It seems to me, but New Zealand just simply didn't
make enough runs and seeming conditions, they lost the toss
a couple of times, didn't they, and and found themselves
against I thought the Aussie bowlers, Hazelwood, Abbott, Bartlett Dorsches
were all just a little bit more accurate. They were
all able to bowl their Yorkers when it was required
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later and they were always able to bowl that wide yorker,
particularly Hazelwood, and he bowled. He reeled off four at
the start, didn't end the last game, but I mean,
I just felt they were a wee bit better all round.
Their skills were a wee bit better than ours.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, that's fair enough too. I mean in terms of
Robinson though most you've got to give him some credit
for that. That's a pretty good knock. There were six
for three and he's trying to recover the innings.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
With Darryl Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Took a little bit of time. You just don't go
out Willie early and hit from war one, as say
siph It did, but you know, against an Australian attack
like that, that's a pretty significant innings in terms of
his development as an international player.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
I wouldn't underestimate it at all. I think in very
difficult conditions with wickets falling at the other end, and
then to get it up to where they got that
number two was pretty admirable. No, I think that's a
very fine innings. And I think it's important because the
twenty twenty game is not the game that it was
(10:42):
even a couple of years ago. They just seemed to
go for it from bar one and keep going. You
made me three down, but we just we have to
keep going. And where scores of a while ago, of
one sixty, that was a winning score if you were
approaching two hundred.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Now, yeah, well we made one hundred and eighty five,
didn't we? Yeah well they didn't.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
They one hundred eighty Well we got one hundred and
eighty one, I think something like that. But they won
it by twenty one balls, so that's over three overs,
you see. So they got it in sixteen and a
half overs. So you know, you're right, it's two hundred now.
This one sixty has become two hundred and those and
in difficult conditions even though it was the smallest ground completely.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
But I wouldn't underestimate Robinson, you know, I think we
will say they have to look at Alan. I just
can I put a kind of positive question, can't wait?
I think he's going to go back and either revisit
his game, but looks really out of touch. I know
it's treason this, but has the game passed moved past
(11:49):
Kane Williamson in twenty twenty cricket?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Ah, Well, that's interesting because his position is still under scrutiny.
I suppose with the with the coaches. Rachen Ravenna of
course was out and that was why Robinson got a chance.
But is it time now to look at these players
rather than say Kane Williamson. Rob Walters says he's content.
(12:16):
He'd give Williamson time extra time to decide his future.
I mean, you know, how does he need extra time?
He must know what the season is hed. He wasn't
perturbed about the fact that he didn't have his full
string squad, But I mean, you know, Caine Williamson, Yeah,
(12:37):
he deserves a bit of special recognition, doesn't he. But
I mean he must know what the season's gonna hold,
what he's available for. Are we picking our side around
him rather than around what's best for the whole of
New Zealand? Cricket. I don't know, Jerry, how do you
look at it?
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I think there's plenty of places. What's up for grabs now?
I mean I'm just looking at that. You would think
that Siphered, because he also keeps, is more of a
lock in for opening, isn't he? So I would have
thought that therefore Conway is fighting for a place. The
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other options, of course fin Allen and Robinson he's also opened,
and Revendra has also opened an ODI cricket as well,
So we've got a few options there. Number three it
could be Robinson as well, or Revender. It could be Williamson. Look,
you could go through probably most of the batting order,
(13:35):
I mean, Mitchell or Revender.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
At four. Does do any of the A team come
into it?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
You know? Does does Muhammad Abas who bowls of it
as well? Not quite well enough yet, but but does
Mara who come into the opening position. He's more of
a more of a longer term batsman, a lot longer
time at.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The crease batsman. But Phillips isn't. Phillip's young.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
The other Phillips who was in the A side, he
might come into, you know, calculations Number five you could
have Mitchell there, you could have Chapman there, you could
have Phillips there. I mean there are options as we
go all down that side six Chapmen and Phillips perhaps,
and seven you might have Bracewell, Phillips center or Niche.
(14:20):
So there are loads of options I think for New
Zealand now, whether they are older players coming back, like
a Niche who can bowl a bit. Bracewell is handy,
we know Phillips has had, so there are lots of
options for Rob Walter there.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
And I think given that where the World Cup's going
to be played, which is in the Subcontinent, you know,
perhaps you need to have alternatives because you're going to
get different sorts of conditions, different types of wickets, which
is where Williamson can come in. But where us just
get out there on a flat deck and smash it.
I don't think that's his game. So I think that
(14:58):
you do need to have alternative plans for the conditions
that you're going to play in. And I'm quite pleased,
pleasantly pleased at what seems to is an emerging depth
in the in the men's game.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well, the depth is there, I guess, I mean the
advantage that Conway has when he's on top of his
game is the left hander and the left right opening partnership.
But you've got to be on form now, don't you.
You've got to be able to hold together. And I
don't think it helps to be going from ball one
when you're playing day one of a series against Australia.
(15:31):
I think you have to, you know, just have a
look for an over to to see what the deck
is like. But I'm interested in your comment. Is there
any other than the sub content to play a world
companies too? It seems let's have a World Cup. Oh well,
we might as well go to India, Pakistan and and
Sri Lanka because you can't play India and Pakistan in
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any other country.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
That's a provocative statement to Brian. But it can't be
held in Pakistan for reasons which we understand and we
have covered that previously. But ah yeah, well what can
we say. They do have very fine facilities in India,
don't they, And so so be it, and it's a
good meeting spot sort of halfway around the world for everyone.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So that okay, Well, we've had a chance to have
a look at the Indian subcontinent and of course Sri
Lanka because the white Ferns are in India. They're coming
up against well some must win games for them, Bangladesh,
Pakistan and Sri Lanka. South Africa was a must win,
(16:37):
but it wasn't a great celebration for Susie Bates three
hundred and fiftieth. Think of that three hundred and fiftieth
match for New Zealand first baller oh Safety Devine three hundredth.
Now she is back to the sort of form that
we know, Jerry. But they're going to have to get
some more from some of these other players otherwise semi
(16:58):
final is going to be gone in a couple of games,
isn't it.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Look it's a pretty obvious thing to say, but in
my opinion New Zealand have become the women's side anyway,
have become a side that needs runs, and it's in
other words they're bowling. Isn't strong enough alone to simply
win games by bowling sides out on a regular basis.
We just we kind of don't have the quicks. We
(17:25):
got loads of medium fast bowlers and they seem to
be putting their emphasis in that direction. I mean, when
Devonshire had to leave the party. Unfortunately they pick they
pick a seema who can batter bit, so we've got
we've ended up, I mean illly at the moment is
kind of is not as quick as she might get
(17:47):
as she gets gains, you know, a bit of strength
and as she gets older. But divine Jess Ker, Halliday
Row Baits as I see described as a medium pacer
and Mayor they're all kinds of medium pace bowlers about
the same, and I you know, they just don't bowl
people out. And we need runs, weight of run to
(18:09):
put pressure on the opposition, and we can't defend a
low total. And so yeah, so it didn't start well
losing Baits first ball.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
But she got so far to the off side.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
Her head was on the off side, most of her
body was on the off side. And it's always if
you're coming from outside off stump across with your bat,
it's a longer distance than coming straight in, and so
you're always just a little bit late, as she was.
And so she missed it and was LB. And then
Plumber and Ker just struggled forty eight dots in the
(18:45):
power play. Forty eight that's eight overs of dots where
you don't score. Look they were driving the ball.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I don't know whether you watch, I just I couldn't
believe it.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
They were just driving the ball to mid Off, driving
it to mid On, driving it to cover. It was
like they were having a net That's what it looked
like to me, hoping that they'd find a gap but
weren't able to. And so, you know, Plumber thirty one
or sixty odd, I mean that really puts the pressure on,
(19:20):
doesn't it. And so from being you know, and then
we did we got back.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Into the game, didn't we.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I think between overs thirty and forty when Halliday and
Divine we ended up about one hundred and.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Ninety for three.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yes, and we were kind of in a position where
we might get something a bit testing and then Calypsto
Collapso wasn't it really for New Zealand six for thirty odd?
And so players like Green and Gays and Josh Kerr
and Tahouhu, they are not inexperienced players. Green has had
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eighty three ODI's and Gays is twenty five. Jess Kurz
had forty one, to who's had ninety nine. We've got
to get fifteen or twenty from each at least we
get another eighty runs. We've got to get runs from down.
We've got to get a total. And my concern would be,
and then I watched for a while, watch when New
(20:18):
Zealand bowled. Now, England beat South Africa by what by
bowling spines right and bowled them out for sixty loading
twenty overs? Right now, why didn't we try a spinner?
Why was pearr left until they bowled fourteen out of
(20:40):
twenty overs? England at Pakistan bowled them out. Why didn't
at least New Zealand remind them and try care a
little bit earlier than the thirteenth? And Carson when she
came in the school was one hundred and seven for one.
I went to bed, you know, I mean this, Why
doren't we doing these things? It seems to me we're
(21:04):
bowling the very formulated kind of will stay up with
the lingam will start with Sansan, then the vinyl coming
and then there'll be another scene. We've got to be
a wee bit more flexible, I think than some of
those things. Now we're My concern would be just to
finish my points would be. We're now playing Bangladesh, as
(21:25):
you say, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and India. Now Bangladesh, you've
got four or five spinners. Through Sri Lanka you can
be sure have plenty. Pakistan have got five, India have
got three, England have got three or four.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I just think I hope, I hope we can put
together some totals because otherwise we're hanging by a three,
don't we.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It's hard to be optimistic, it would be my sense
of this. Bangladesh, they were in the game well and true,
totally well and truly in their game there and England,
would you have to say probably them in Australia are
ods on to be the two the two better sides
(22:10):
of them all Toss and South Africa if if, if
they have a good day. But on India and India,
oh sorry, yeah, yeah, apologies absolutely India. I'm just thinking, yeah,
we could be three zero and three without any doubt.
And I don't I don't want that and I don't
wish that. But I agree with you Jerry around around
(22:33):
the use of spinners, and and hell, if we're playing
Bangladesh and I've got those number of spinners, well I
can I can guess what sort of wicket it's going
to be and if you're just bowling bowling medium paces
or that's just going to come on that beautiful and
be working Bangladesh's favor. So I will I'm concerned on
(22:55):
more ground works.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, the ground that they're playing at is good, HARDI
where they've already had about three or four games, so
the bounce is going to get lower. It won't be
a lively pitch, so they're going to have to be tested.
And of course they did have another spinner, fran Jonas
was left at home for ev and so they've they've
made a decision there that a seam bowler. Well Rosemary Mare,
(23:19):
isn't it. I mean she's slightly above medium, I suppose,
but she's not a quick bowler. They've got problems and
I'm sure that they'll be working through days. Friday is
the game against Bangladesh. Hopefully the New Zealand at White
Fence are able to get their first win.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
How would you like to be a cricket administrator? Ah, well,
some of us are. I'm caught in the middle of
administration at the moment in terms of local cricket. But
there's been a power struggle at the heart of the
game in the USA for over a month now, and
it's escalated with the American Cricket Enterprises. They're the parent
(24:03):
company of Major League Cricket. They're taking on us a
cricket who have now gone into liquidation or have handled
the league. Tell me what they're doing most, because you
understand the stuff more than I do. I mean, you've
got to have a body administering cricket. Well, the ic
(24:26):
C have taken that power away from the USAC.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
So what's happened is that the USA Cricket, which is
the member of the ICC so called which oversees cricket
in the US, it's filed for what's known as Chapter eleven.
What is chapter eleven? Chapter eleven is a form of bankruptcy,
(24:51):
but what it provides is a mechanism by which parties
who file for Chapter eleven it buys them time and
space in order to reorganize their affairs. Typically this would
be in the case of financing obligations which often forced
(25:13):
them into companies into Chapter eleven. What's happened here is
there is an agreement a fifty year agreement. Fifty year
agreement was signed in twenty nineteen between us A Cricket
and ACE American Cricket Enterprises, which own owns Major League Cricket,
(25:38):
a fifty year contract. There are allegations that it was
negotiated somewhat behind closed doors conflicts of interest. I see
a lot of what's happening here is a number of egos,
influential people at play. But in commercial terms, what that
(25:58):
contract was intended to do was to funnel inverted commas.
And that's the word I read in the news, in
the news articles, funnel fun up into USA Cricket. But
it's not sufficient for what or what USA Cricket would
consider fair value. In other words, Chapter eleven will give
(26:21):
or should give USA Cricket the ability to renegotiate that contract.
It doesn't help that the ICC have indicated that have
been serious breaches of membership, breaches that USA Cricket have
(26:42):
entered into and therefore have also been suspended. That's another
reason why someone might want to go into chapter eleven.
It buys time and it makes everyone step back in
order to sort your house out.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, hardly the environment the game needs anyway, here?
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (27:03):
No so it's not actual bankruptcy. And the terms that
I understand bankruptcy moves is that right? I thought it
was a legal process where you can't pay your bills
basically to your debtors. But it's nothing to do that
do with that. But is there if you declare it?
If you declare it, because there was going to be
(27:25):
a court case between USAK and ACE, wasn't there right? So,
And with about twenty minutes to go before the start
of this case, this court case they in came this
report that they had declared themselves bankrupt.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
It's not bankrupt, correct, It's not. It's what they called
They filed for Chapter eleven, which is this. It's basically
it's a stay and unless you can actually it enables
them to reorganize their affairs pretty much.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, well that's what they're saying.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yes, and that's and it does provide a very good forum.
It's it's something that doesn't exist in New Zealand or
Australia or Canada. They have different arrangements for insolvencies type
arrangements such as this, but this isn't an insolvency situation.
It buys time to reorganize your affairs. So I'm looking
(28:19):
at that and thinking I've got to sort of stuff
out with the ICC because they've withdrawn membership effectively. And secondly,
I've got this contract which I view as uncommercial, which
I being US, which I signed, which they signed. Well,
some people are saying there were conflicts of interest they
also read somewhere, so that is that is what they
(28:42):
need to sort out. And bearing in mind that the
USA Cricket is the party which is going to be
apparently be participating in the World Cup twenty twenty, and
then there's a thing called the Olympics where cricket is
going to be in the US.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
The other thing is that New Zealand are in Beard
with ACE, who are the promoters of the Major League.
What impact does that have on New Zealand's involvement with them.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
Well, my sense is that it will be interesting because
what you've got is is that it's whether it's with
ACE or whether it's with one of the franchises, which
is if you're like down the food chain, it shouldn't
affect what arrangements those are. Although in a lot of contracts,
(29:28):
commercial contracts, they have the fault provisions which in the
event that there's an insolvency event, which which a Chapter
eleven is would be termed. Then you may be able
to repudiate or walk away from the contracts should you
so choose. Now I don't know whether that applies because
because of the of the arrangements enter, because I completely
(29:50):
haven't been privy to it. But but it's it. I'd
be certainly if I meant cricket, I'd be I'd be
digging out the contracts and have a look at what
it means for us.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It seems to me this is this thing that New
Zealand has entered. It's the first time I've ever heard
of a full member of the ICC having an agreement
with a club or a domestic side from a from
another country's competition in that it's a franchise and New
(30:23):
Zealand we're going to supply things like I understood was
sort of high performance and operational support and coaching and
turf management and physios and things like that, or as
you say, a franchise that isn't yet actually operating and
(30:44):
ace this have the choice over these next two franchises
as they try to grow this competition called the MLC.
And and so they are going to be in Toronto
and places like that, in Atlanta and New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
We're going to be part of that. Now.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I don't know they're supplying. They are suppliers, if you like.
Aren't they of a skill where presumably one party is
going to pay money provide money? And New Zealand would
provide the expertise, the cricket expertise to go with some
of those things. And I would have thought Weenick would
have thought he can supply players as well, and perhaps
(31:27):
retain some players instead of going on you know, casual contracts,
when they could say to them at contract time, well
we've got this team over in the MLC that we
could actually have a pathway towards and we have a
part of this. I think that was kind of the
reasoning behind it. Well it kind of makes sense. But
(31:51):
now that this has happened, I just wonder who's in charge,
who's going to be running those things, and who are
they dealing with now. So that was just the questions
that I have, and I mean for people listening. The
MLC run for about three or four weeks I think
in June and July, and there are people like Matt
(32:14):
Henry and Ravendra and Finellen and Trent Bolt. They're the
guys that are actually from New Zealand in that competition already.
So I just wonder what it means though for New
Zealand Cricket who have gone into this deal with and
they seem very keen to get quite close and cuddle
up to the USA Cricket as well. There are other
(32:37):
things that are happening and so I just I wonder
how that is now because who was actually running USA
Cricket at the moment.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Well, just remember ACE is an effective party because of
the ACE being the American Cricket Enterprise of to change
the n more. See, Yeah, the party that has gone
into chapter eleven is USA Cricket the people who are
running that, and that's typically run by a trusting bank.
(33:08):
Cruptcy is what they refer to it. But I did
note in one of the press for releases that they
said we have been forced into the protections of the
US Bankruptcy cold because ACE is well aware of its
stature as an eight hundred pound gorilla and has weaponized
its financial muscle to frustrate our ability to govern the sport.
(33:29):
And that's from the general Council of of USA Cricket.
So it's it's it's all about the commercialities as between
ACE and USA Cricket down in the MLC. I'm not
sure that that's going to be affected because you know
that's where all the television rights are and what have you.
(33:50):
They sit with ACE.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
So we'll waiting so do because well there with Willow
TV and they have all the broadcasting rights for the MLC.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
It may it may not affect the arrangements that New
Zealand Cricket have entered into, which is supplying of what
I would refer was intellectual capital or IP, which is
not financial capital like cash through people, players and capabilities,
if you will. So it may be business as usual,
(34:21):
but it certainly added a complication, shall we say, and
a degree of uncertainty in the game over there.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, interesting stuff. I'll have to follow that one through
because New Zealand will have a bit part to play
in all of that. Finally, this week a quick one.
How would you like to be remembered by your cricketing
mates as the manner is it for six sixers in
the row? Malcolm Nish, poor old Malcolm nsh.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
That's he's got to kick. That's the right distance he's
at that out of the ground. That's another one. Books
that tap at the top we said that start claiming
up that have a looked over the wall two and
(35:09):
twenty nine minutes. That's another one up for being close up.
Three balls, three sixes, fifty eight have an incredible bit
of hitting. Oh he's got the shorter one. What's up again?
Speaker 4 (35:28):
There?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
They're crouncing on them, pouncing on the concrete.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
Four six and in four balls. This makes him sixty
four four sixes underwear. Mash is going to bowl this one.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
On that well, just.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
Carrying now he's going to be out go that all
croppings over the boundary. Six It is five on the trot.
I know this is incredible. Now is this is six
on the Trot's a world record been done before, but.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Seventy on the board.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
And he's done. It's gone.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
What do you reckon?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
You ever?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
For six sexes? Anytime?
Speaker 5 (36:18):
It's surprising. One wasn't. But Malcolm Mash, what I understand
was the case because I remember seeing it in black
and white television. I think it was and so was.
He's just whistling him out of the park. But he's
bowling left arm orthodox correct. Malcolm Nash was actually a
left arm medium pacer, so it was a bit of
(36:40):
a trial which didn't seem to go that well for him,
and that's what he's been known for. But he was
the long term player forgamont and I played a number
of years I I recall.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
But oh I did, Moose, you're right.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
He played between the sixties and the eighties, early eighties,
so I I met him. He actually he had initials M. A.
N Man and he was quite a confident feller as
I could remember, and I know the players from Glamorgan
called him super and he got over nine hundred and
(37:15):
ninety first class wickets as a seemer. He ran off
about twelve paces, he gotten close. He had a good,
nice whippy action and he you know, and pitched it up.
He want to get edges and things. They won Glamorgan
ants that thought of very highly. Now are they they've
down the bottom of the second division usually, but in
(37:36):
sixty nine they won the Hold County Championship and he
was right at the top of it, actually, Malcolm Nash.
But he had been practicing bowling quite brusk left arm
spin like Derek Underwood and so that's why he was.
He was bowling spin, you're right that day and Sobers
(37:58):
he went in late. He was playing for Knots Sobers
against Nash playing for Glamorgan, and Sobers went in at
number seven that day so that he could fit in
a visit to the bookies. And he was a bit
peeved off actually that Knott's run rate hadn't wasn't as
high as it was, and so he wanted quick runs
(38:19):
you see in a declaration. And so I remember the
match was drifting and Nash just thought that he would
buy this new sort of left arm orthodox quick style.
And the first one went over long on and out
of Saint Helen's the ground. The second one was roughly
in the same direction, hit on the top of the
(38:40):
Cricketers Pub which we used to have a couple of
drinks and after we finished play, and then the third
third ball went over long off into the wooden benches.
Used to go down loads of steps with wooden benches
alongside of you as you walk down. Tony Lewis, who
was the captain of Glamorgan, advised Nash at this point,
how about playing? How about bowling some seamers now whack
(39:02):
it into the block hole as you usually do well.
Nash ignored that a sportsball went over deep wicket and
then the fifth ball he hit, Sobers hit high to
long off and we heard in the commentary there it
was caught by a guy called Roger Davis before he
toppled backwards. He toppled backwards and Sobers began to walk off.
(39:23):
But there was a guy playing for the Gomorgan, a
fella called Tony Caudle, advised that Davis had actually carried
the ball over the rope in toppling backwards.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
So it was now on the last.
Speaker 4 (39:36):
Ball of the over that was five sixes that Nash
reverted to seam up.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
He went back and went off his.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Twelve or thirteen paces, but he did continue round the
wicket and it was he dragged one down and Sobers
just hammered it out of the ground. So so that
was the sixth sixers and Wadd's even from a radio
point of view, great comment.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
You know, great sort of power effects, aren't they.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
But the the Morgan secretary, I I can't remember his name,
was doing that commonary and he didn't go back to
London or hand it back to BBC at all, and
just kept on commentating and he actually got a moment
of kind of that you'd never forget an immortality, didn't he.
Really it was a bit like kind of Roger Banister
(40:27):
in like the four minute mile on. It really had
never been done before. But he did actually write a book,
Malcolm Nash and an autobiography. It was called not Only,
which is obviously how everybody remembers and not the only
remembered for six sixes and it's good not only but
(40:47):
also and he could then tell his autobiography about the
nine hundred and ninety wickets and they beat the Aussies
too that on nineteen sixty eight, who were touring that time,
So they were a good shide and he.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Was very much at the heart. Yeah it's interesting you say,
we are.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, Mousie was saying that, you know, it sort of
lives in your memory because it's one of those special
moments of cricket. Yes, it's been done since, but at
that stage it was a special moment. I think Ravish
Shastri has done it too, hasn't he? But uh, you
know everybody wanted to be sobers as well in those days,
didn't they.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (41:23):
Well, yeah, it was very evocative, as I sort of
saying watching it on. For for us it was a
black and white TV in somewhat blurry the commentary. And
as the young kid as I was at the time,
I was, and Sobers was the special special player, greatest,
(41:46):
greatest ever, some would say, but I mean just the whole,
the whole element of all that and and where it
was in that ground. It's just yeah, it's it's it's
just stuck in my memory and quite wonderful. You're fantastic
to bring back up and think about it again.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
You're right. You're right, Jerry about the sound effects. You
can hear the ball hitting the back, can't you? Every
time he goes for sex. Yeah, yeah, it was quite amazing.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
I have to say though that I hit a six
further on Saint Helens than Sobers because my one, when
I hit it out of the ground, it was it
bounced into a Toyota and ended up in Abergavenny.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
So much further so you have got a record there.
It's not as good as.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
The No, I'm not comparing myself to Sobers. I've got
to say that that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It's like the old days of the player from Carraa.
You hit the ball into a tram outside the base
in reserve and it ended up at Island Bay. The numbers,
I mean, that's that's just a little bit of history.
I can share something with you though, Jeremy, that you
will be happy to know Glamorgan have earned promotion to
Division one after finishing second in Division two this year.
(42:57):
There you go, you know, they might have been living
off the history of Malcolm Nash.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Be remembered.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Forever.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Remember.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Thanks guys. I hope you can go away and enjoy
some cricket of the White Ferns variety and we can
perhaps talk about a charge towards semi finals and England
aren't far away. They're going to be with us in
no time at all.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Thanks you, John.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
All right, what's cheers.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
All the wonderful summer.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
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