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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Well, I've been looking forward to this conversation and it's
about your home. You know, one of the projects I
know many of us get into is stripping paint and
whether it's a piece of furniture, whether it's old doors,
and boy, if you're up to speed on home improvement,
you know that category has been through a big time transition.
(00:54):
We used to use methylne chloride strippers, which you know,
back in my day, that's what you use a strip furniture,
but that whole world has changed a little bit. And
to help us with that is Adam Smith. He is
with Dumont Global and Adam welcome that home with Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Thanks Gary, great to be back on with you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So stripping compounds for coatings has why don't you just
tell everybody just about that whole transition that's taken place
in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sure, over the years, like you mentioned methylene chloride, there's
some pretty heavy duty chemicals that are very harmful to you,
harmful to the environment. And Dumand has been in business
for over forty years and we've always been a water
based pain remover, paint stripper product. Okay, so you don't
use those harsh methylene chlorides and MP's and any of
(01:48):
our products. So we kind of started being the safer
movement many years ago to make furniture stripping or stripping
doors or any restoration project easier.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And so, I mean, let's face it, you folks are
really the leaders in this kind of stuff. You've done
some landmarks throughout the world.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yes we have. Yes, we were working on the Eiffel Tower.
We've done the Brooklyn Bridge, the US Capital Dome, you know,
the world famous Hollywood Sign. And one that we're really
proud of is the USS Casts and Young in Boston Harbor,
which is a group of Navy veterans that are volunteering
to care and maintain the Cast and Young. So they
we're really proud of that that they're using our product there.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, gee, Adam, all I need is a dresser strip.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, not a problem. So one thing to be let
to understand, not every coding's the same. Real they have
inherited a piece of furniture from a family member, you
don't really know what's on for the codings that are there.
They could be fifty years old, it could be one
hundred years old, it could be fifteen years old, and
using one paint stripper to do everything is it is
(03:00):
probably not the best idea. So if you've purchased something
in your house back in nineteen ninety five and you
want to strip your cabinets, using our Smart Stripped Advance
or Smart Strip Pro will probably do the job for
you quite easily. But if you picked up that piece
of furniture on the side of the road and you
want to refinish it and you're not sure, we have
(03:22):
what we call a test kit, so it has three
products in there. You test it on the surface that
you want to strip, and they'll tell you the right
product to use. So if it's older than nineteen seventy
eight when they outlawed lead based paint, you may want
to use our Felaway product. Okay, So that'll re move
up to thirty layers of paint works one if it
(03:45):
gets right down to the wood. And the nice thing
is this cleanup is just with water with all of
our products, and so if you have something newer when
you do the test strip, you'd want to check out
either of the Smart Strip Pro, which is really good
for dual part of POxy, these powder coded surfaces and
things like that, and or our Smart Strip our Smart
(04:06):
Strip Advance, which is probably one of the one of
their staple ones in the marketplace.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Okay, well this brings up a good point too. Not
to confuse people, but if you have a dresser and
it's been painted and you go buy XYZ stripper and
it doesn't work, it may be that that particular manufacturer
doesn't have strippers that will work on that coding. And
(04:32):
you do, I mean, you have even test kits to
identify the exact coating and what will remove it. But
the go to product for newer codings is the Smart
Strip Advanced you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Say, advance or the Smart Strip Pro oay, either of
those two will work. The Smart Strip Pro will work
on more of your advanced codings. What Smart Strip Advance
is for regular water based codings that you're going to
find a clic based paints and things like that in
the marketplace.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
All right, well, let me kind of paint a picture
and you help me. Okay, so I got a dresser.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I'll help you strip it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, help me do this. It's been in the family,
maybe just a generation, so it's probably thirty forty years
old maybe, and I don't know whether it's latex on there.
I don't know if it's just an oil based paint.
And you know, I'm gonna do it in January, so
I I you know, I kind of can't do it outside.
(05:31):
Maybe I could do it in the garage. May I
could do it in the basement. Maybe I could just
put some plastic and put leave it where it is.
Help me with that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So first thing, I'd recommend that you really don't know
what's down there. I recommend getting the test kit online.
Testing it first, see which is the right product for you. Okay,
it's been in your family for a couple of generations.
You may lend towards the Peelawey product, which is really
good for your organics like lead based paint and things
(06:01):
like that. Okay, you're gonna apply it. You can use
this indoors or outdoors. You're gonna apply it. You're gonna
use our paper over the top of it, Okay. And
what that does it helps keep the product adhere to
the surface. It keeps it moist so it continues to work.
So if you have many layers, it's gonna take some
time to come off, So you want that paper there
(06:22):
to keep it, keep it moist. And then when you're
ready to remove it. It helps catch and capture what
you're scraping off that surface, okay, and then you're gonna
come back with you. If you're doing a dresser, probably
a little squirt bottle with a little scolaren pad to
get any residual. And that's really all you have to
do with our products. And if it's a newer dresser
(06:44):
and you're gonna use one of the other gel strippers
like smart shript Pro or smart shrup Advance, it's really
the same process. You're gonna put it on, always put
on enough there you don't want it to dry, and
then you're gonna cover it. And then after that certain
time you want to take it off, you're just going
to scrape it off into the paper, so you don't
have to scrape it off into a payo or into
(07:05):
a bucket. It's going to be captured with that paper.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So you helped me with this too. So a lot
of times I hear in my background of courses in
hardware stores and even ten years ago out here, I
bought that new stuff. And I'm not talking about your
brand in particular. There's a couple of brands out there
bought that new stuff. It don't work, it does work.
You got to have the right product right.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Correct, correct. And you know, we've had people that have
been using peel Away since its inception and it's worked
well for them because they're in older cities and the
chances of removing lead based paints or organics is pretty high. Well,
what they're finding now is is they're not getting success
with the peel Away because you think about it in
(07:51):
nineteen seventy eight, that's how many years ago, forty something
years ago, correct, and so anything that's a long time
ago so more than likely does have water based, acrylic
based paint on there. So they're choosing the wrong product.
That goes back to again testing it to be sure,
(08:12):
because I don't want you to go out by one
of our products and not be happy with it. I'd
rather have you test find the right product and have
one of the success work because then you're going to
tell your neighbor, you're going to tell your friends about
how well these products work.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So I guess we need to focus in on the
test kits for people know where to get that and
exactly how a test kit works, and the expense of
that can work through that test kit's going to.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Range between fifteen and twenty dollars depending. You can buy
them online. And what the test kit consists of. It
consists of a little court size of each of our products.
It's going to include little scouring pads, a little trowel,
gloves that they that you need to test, and the
paper has instructions in there how to use it properly.
(09:05):
So you're going to do a section of each one,
come back after a certain period of time, give it
a little scrape and see what it's doing, because in
some cases it may work very quickly. In other cases,
where you have multiple layers and layers and layers of paint,
it's gonna take a little bit longer. So you can
kind of judge how long it's going to take, and
then you can figure out which is a proper product
(09:26):
for you, because at the end of the day, getting
the jobs done right the first time.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I was just going to say, and regardless of you
know how much time you have, you're going to narrow
that time down by testing it and making sure you got.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The right stripper.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And especially big projects, if you're talking about stripping the
doors in an old house, good chance you'll need to
peel away right number one. Correct, But testing it if
you just yeah, boy, I see, I see where there's
issues there and why people get a little disgruntled. And
(10:05):
so I'm not going to do that project. But really
it's just a matter of testing and finding out exactly
what's on there because the whole codings industry has flip
flopped in the last fifty years.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's that's correct. And you know the little story here, Gary,
we had somebody contact us. They bought one hundred and
ten year old farmhouse and they went online and found
PILAA being great for removing older paints, and they happened
to call us and they ended up getting the test kit,
and again we're all pretty much convinced it's going to
be Peloa because it's an old farmhouse, correct, right, Well,
(10:38):
she ended up doing the test kit. Come to find
out it was a smart strip Advanced was the right
product for her. So you don't really know put your
doors in that house in nineteen eighty three, You don't
know if they were painted for the first time in
nineteen eighty Oh, you don't know. Again that then he
goes back to the testing and again we were convinced
it was PELOI right, she proved us wrong with the
(11:01):
test kit and proved it was the smart Strip Advance.
It was the bright product for.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So you say online is that Dumondglobal dot Com? Is
that where you get to test kit?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Correct? You can go to domand Global dot com. You
can just Google it and find it on Amazon and
other places like that. Sherwin Williams is another opportunity for you.
You can talk to your local do A Best members
as well. Are participating to A Best members to find
our products as well.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
So furniture refishing, refinishing as a whole is I mean
there used to be a lot of that is. There's
still a lot of.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It there, really is. I mean there's a category that
I find it's growing quite a bit. Especially you're getting
second generation kids that are cleaning out their parents' house, right,
and that dresser was theirs. Now they're selling it in
the garage sale or they're putting it on the street.
And you know, I see out there all the time
(12:01):
with people finding Ethan Allen furniture, really high end furniture
that's been painted over the generations. Right, But there's beautiful
wood underneath there, I mean, just spectacular wood and people
want to start protecting that. And we're finding also with
restoration projects and homes. Instead of tearing out all this
beautiful wood.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you can't replace there.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So yeah, you're getting in this beautiful old growth wood.
So why destroy it when you can strip it, restain
it and just have a beautiful you know, make it
look like it did one hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Boy, I agree with you one hundred percent. I kind
of involved it. Habitat Humanity and the restores. There's over
six hundred stores nationwide, and there's some beautiful furniture in
these stores sometimes that are donated and gorgeous stuff, which
brings me the next question. And we've been talking about
removing coatings, what about removing stain and you know, like
(12:55):
a wood dining room set. I mean, does that have
to be tested, does it have to be stained or
does it have.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
To depend help me, It really just depends on what
you're removing, okay, And you know in some cases you're
gonna have to do some sandy okay to get down
to where you want to be.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But again, at the end of the day, when you test,
you get the right item to remove what's on there.
You should have been a really good shape for success.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, all right, DuMond Global dot Com. I'm trying to
think if I've missed any questions. But the bottom line
here is I think I think we need to test. Huh.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
We we do, and again we want you to be
happy with our You know, we live in a world
today that if you if you're not successful with something, no,
you may go online and let people know. And it
may not be the right reason to let people know.
And so if you tested, you're going to get it
right of the time.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, And like you say, you're picking up a high
end piece of furniture, it's worth fifteen bucks to get
the right stripper because you really got to find there.
I mean you got you got a great mess of furniture.
All right, I'm looking forward. We're gonna get together, I
know in September up at the Do It Best show
and we'll have.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
A chat again.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And it's a wonderful products and it's been around for
a long time and I certainly appreciate you joining me today, Adam.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Thanks Gary, It's always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
All right, very good, thank you. It's Doomont, It's du
m O n D Global dot com and again do
it best retailers Sherwin Williams and if you've got a
project that you're thinking about, check out all their line
of products. And they got a stripper for any finish
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Well, I've been looking forward to this conversation and it's
about your home. You know, one of the projects I
know many of us get into is stripping paint and
whether it's a piece of furniture, whether it's old doors,
and boy, if you're up to speed on home improvement,
you know that category has been through a big time transition.
(00:54):
We used to use methylne chloride strippers, which you know,
back in my day, that's what you use a strip furniture,
but that whole world has changed a little bit. And
to help us with that is Adam Smith. He is
with Dumont Global and Adam welcome that home with Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Thanks Gary, great to be back on with you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So stripping compounds for coatings has why don't you just
tell everybody just about that whole transition that's taken place
in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Sure, over the years, like you mentioned methylene chloride, there's
some pretty heavy duty chemicals that are very harmful to you,
harmful to the environment. And Dumand has been in business
for over forty years and we've always been a water
based pain remover, paint stripper product. Okay, so you don't
use those harsh methylene chlorides and MP's and any of
(01:48):
our products. So we kind of started being the safer
movement many years ago to make furniture stripping or stripping
doors or any restoration project easier.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
And so, I mean, let's face it, you folks are
really the leaders in this kind of stuff. You've done
some landmarks throughout the world.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yes we have. Yes, we were working on the Eiffel Tower.
We've done the Brooklyn Bridge, the US Capital Dome, you know,
the world famous Hollywood Sign. And one that we're really
proud of is the USS Casts and Young in Boston Harbor,
which is a group of Navy veterans that are volunteering
to care and maintain the Cast and Young. So they
we're really proud of that that they're using our product there.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, gee, Adam, all I need is a dresser strip.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, not a problem. So one thing to be let
to understand, not every coding's the same. Real they have
inherited a piece of furniture from a family member, you
don't really know what's on for the codings that are there.
They could be fifty years old, it could be one
hundred years old, it could be fifteen years old, and
using one paint stripper to do everything is it is
(03:00):
probably not the best idea. So if you've purchased something
in your house back in nineteen ninety five and you
want to strip your cabinets, using our Smart Stripped Advance
or Smart Strip Pro will probably do the job for
you quite easily. But if you picked up that piece
of furniture on the side of the road and you
want to refinish it and you're not sure, we have
(03:22):
what we call a test kit, so it has three
products in there. You test it on the surface that
you want to strip, and they'll tell you the right
product to use. So if it's older than nineteen seventy
eight when they outlawed lead based paint, you may want
to use our Felaway product. Okay, So that'll re move
up to thirty layers of paint works one if it
(03:45):
gets right down to the wood. And the nice thing
is this cleanup is just with water with all of
our products, and so if you have something newer when
you do the test strip, you'd want to check out
either of the Smart Strip Pro, which is really good
for dual part of POxy, these powder coded surfaces and
things like that, and or our Smart Strip our Smart
(04:06):
Strip Advance, which is probably one of the one of
their staple ones in the marketplace.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Okay, well this brings up a good point too. Not
to confuse people, but if you have a dresser and
it's been painted and you go buy XYZ stripper and
it doesn't work, it may be that that particular manufacturer
doesn't have strippers that will work on that coding. And
(04:32):
you do, I mean, you have even test kits to
identify the exact coating and what will remove it. But
the go to product for newer codings is the Smart
Strip Advanced you.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Say, advance or the Smart Strip Pro oay, either of
those two will work. The Smart Strip Pro will work
on more of your advanced codings. What Smart Strip Advance
is for regular water based codings that you're going to
find a clic based paints and things like that in
the marketplace.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
All right, well, let me kind of paint a picture
and you help me. Okay, so I got a dresser.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I'll help you strip it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, help me do this. It's been in the family,
maybe just a generation, so it's probably thirty forty years
old maybe, and I don't know whether it's latex on there.
I don't know if it's just an oil based paint.
And you know, I'm gonna do it in January, so
I I you know, I kind of can't do it outside.
(05:31):
Maybe I could do it in the garage. May I
could do it in the basement. Maybe I could just
put some plastic and put leave it where it is.
Help me with that.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
So first thing, I'd recommend that you really don't know
what's down there. I recommend getting the test kit online.
Testing it first, see which is the right product for you. Okay,
it's been in your family for a couple of generations.
You may lend towards the Peelawey product, which is really
good for your organics like lead based paint and things
(06:01):
like that. Okay, you're gonna apply it. You can use
this indoors or outdoors. You're gonna apply it. You're gonna
use our paper over the top of it, Okay. And
what that does it helps keep the product adhere to
the surface. It keeps it moist so it continues to work.
So if you have many layers, it's gonna take some
time to come off, So you want that paper there
(06:22):
to keep it, keep it moist. And then when you're
ready to remove it. It helps catch and capture what
you're scraping off that surface, okay, and then you're gonna
come back with you. If you're doing a dresser, probably
a little squirt bottle with a little scolaren pad to
get any residual. And that's really all you have to
do with our products. And if it's a newer dresser
(06:44):
and you're gonna use one of the other gel strippers
like smart shript Pro or smart shrup Advance, it's really
the same process. You're gonna put it on, always put
on enough there you don't want it to dry, and
then you're gonna cover it. And then after that certain
time you want to take it off, you're just going
to scrape it off into the paper, so you don't
have to scrape it off into a payo or into
(07:05):
a bucket. It's going to be captured with that paper.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So you helped me with this too. So a lot
of times I hear in my background of courses in
hardware stores and even ten years ago out here, I
bought that new stuff. And I'm not talking about your
brand in particular. There's a couple of brands out there
bought that new stuff. It don't work, it does work.
You got to have the right product right.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Correct, correct. And you know, we've had people that have
been using peel Away since its inception and it's worked
well for them because they're in older cities and the
chances of removing lead based paints or organics is pretty high. Well,
what they're finding now is is they're not getting success
with the peel Away because you think about it in
(07:51):
nineteen seventy eight, that's how many years ago, forty something
years ago, correct, and so anything that's a long time
ago so more than likely does have water based, acrylic
based paint on there. So they're choosing the wrong product.
That goes back to again testing it to be sure,
(08:12):
because I don't want you to go out by one
of our products and not be happy with it. I'd
rather have you test find the right product and have
one of the success work because then you're going to
tell your neighbor, you're going to tell your friends about
how well these products work.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So I guess we need to focus in on the
test kits for people know where to get that and
exactly how a test kit works, and the expense of
that can work through that test kit's going to.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Range between fifteen and twenty dollars depending. You can buy
them online. And what the test kit consists of. It
consists of a little court size of each of our products.
It's going to include little scouring pads, a little trowel,
gloves that they that you need to test, and the
paper has instructions in there how to use it properly.
(09:05):
So you're going to do a section of each one,
come back after a certain period of time, give it
a little scrape and see what it's doing, because in
some cases it may work very quickly. In other cases,
where you have multiple layers and layers and layers of paint,
it's gonna take a little bit longer. So you can
kind of judge how long it's going to take, and
then you can figure out which is a proper product
(09:26):
for you, because at the end of the day, getting
the jobs done right the first time.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I was just going to say, and regardless of you
know how much time you have, you're going to narrow
that time down by testing it and making sure you got.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The right stripper.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And especially big projects, if you're talking about stripping the
doors in an old house, good chance you'll need to
peel away right number one. Correct, But testing it if
you just yeah, boy, I see, I see where there's
issues there and why people get a little disgruntled. And
(10:05):
so I'm not going to do that project. But really
it's just a matter of testing and finding out exactly
what's on there because the whole codings industry has flip
flopped in the last fifty years.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's that's correct. And you know the little story here, Gary,
we had somebody contact us. They bought one hundred and
ten year old farmhouse and they went online and found
PILAA being great for removing older paints, and they happened
to call us and they ended up getting the test kit,
and again we're all pretty much convinced it's going to
be Peloa because it's an old farmhouse, correct, right, Well,
(10:38):
she ended up doing the test kit. Come to find
out it was a smart strip Advanced was the right
product for her. So you don't really know put your
doors in that house in nineteen eighty three, You don't
know if they were painted for the first time in
nineteen eighty Oh, you don't know. Again that then he
goes back to the testing and again we were convinced
it was PELOI right, she proved us wrong with the
(11:01):
test kit and proved it was the smart Strip Advance.
It was the bright product for.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
So you say online is that Dumondglobal dot Com? Is
that where you get to test kit?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Correct? You can go to domand Global dot com. You
can just Google it and find it on Amazon and
other places like that. Sherwin Williams is another opportunity for you.
You can talk to your local do A Best members
as well. Are participating to A Best members to find
our products as well.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
So furniture refishing, refinishing as a whole is I mean
there used to be a lot of that is. There's
still a lot of.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It there, really is. I mean there's a category that
I find it's growing quite a bit. Especially you're getting
second generation kids that are cleaning out their parents' house, right,
and that dresser was theirs. Now they're selling it in
the garage sale or they're putting it on the street.
And you know, I see out there all the time
(12:01):
with people finding Ethan Allen furniture, really high end furniture
that's been painted over the generations. Right, But there's beautiful
wood underneath there, I mean, just spectacular wood and people
want to start protecting that. And we're finding also with
restoration projects and homes. Instead of tearing out all this
beautiful wood.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you can't replace there.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
So yeah, you're getting in this beautiful old growth wood.
So why destroy it when you can strip it, restain
it and just have a beautiful you know, make it
look like it did one hundred years ago.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Boy, I agree with you one hundred percent. I kind
of involved it. Habitat Humanity and the restores. There's over
six hundred stores nationwide, and there's some beautiful furniture in
these stores sometimes that are donated and gorgeous stuff, which
brings me the next question. And we've been talking about
removing coatings, what about removing stain and you know, like
(12:55):
a wood dining room set. I mean, does that have
to be tested, does it have to be stained or
does it have.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
To depend help me, It really just depends on what
you're removing, okay, And you know in some cases you're
gonna have to do some sandy okay to get down
to where you want to be.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
But again, at the end of the day, when you test,
you get the right item to remove what's on there.
You should have been a really good shape for success.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Okay, all right, DuMond Global dot Com. I'm trying to
think if I've missed any questions. But the bottom line
here is I think I think we need to test. Huh.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
We we do, and again we want you to be
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Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, And like you say, you're picking up a high
end piece of furniture, it's worth fifteen bucks to get
the right stripper because you really got to find there.
I mean you got you got a great mess of furniture.
All right, I'm looking forward. We're gonna get together, I
know in September up at the Do It Best show
and we'll have.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
A chat again.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
And it's a wonderful products and it's been around for
a long time and I certainly appreciate you joining me today, Adam.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Thanks Gary, It's always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
All right, very good, thank you. It's Doomont, It's du
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