November 23, 2024 • 16 mins
Wildlife issues in the home? Our friend Ron has answers!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We may not always agree, but we can agree on
one thing. Fifty five KRC is the talk station. All right,
back at it we go thirty three minutes after the
top of the hour. You know, one of the things
they can do really a lot of damage to your home.
We talk about all the time is water and number
(00:23):
two on that list is animal intrusion or wildlife intrusion
into your home. Maybe you've had that problem before. Squirrels
especially cause a big mess in the attic. So I
have my man Ron Krueger. He's out of the Akron
Cleveland area as a company called A Plus Wildlife Control
and Ron, welcome again that home with Gary Salvin. How
(00:45):
you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Good, Mary, I'm doing great. Gary, Good morning, and happy
Thanksgiving to you and all the listeners out there.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Very good, Happy Thanksgiving to you. Ron. And I don't
think turkeys are going to get into our attic, but
there might be some other creators. But what's the what's
the big hot animal causing all the problem this time
of year?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, you named it. It's it's a squirrel season for us,
the time of year that the weather's getting a little
cooler at night. Obviously, winners going to be setting in
and we're heading into breeding season soon, believe it or
not for squirrels, and so they are looking to find
a place to dwell and a lot of times they'll
(01:27):
find a spot in your house. You said water damage
is the number one and I agree with that. And
water damage leads to rotted woods from your gutters and
your eaves, and that's the spot these little buggers like
to take advantage of. They'll take that punky, soft, pushy,
squishy wood, chew it open even more and boom they're in.
(01:48):
And if they're in your overhangs or your soffets, they're
also in erratic too. So yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I'll tell you squirrels, they're industrial little guys. I mean,
is it?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I guess the way to prevent that from happening, and
then we'll talk about, you know, what to do when
it happens. But to prevent it is maintenance. I mean,
it's knowing what's going on with your house the right.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
One hundred percent. I would have the house inspected just
structurally once every year or so, just to look it over.
You know, the facier board, which is the gutter board,
the board that sits behind your gutter. I bet you
behind the top of your chimney is probably one of
the most neglected areas of your house, right because nobody
ever looks at it, nobody ever wants to paint it
(02:35):
because it's so hidden behind the gutter, right. And in
some of these older homes, they've had water splashing on
those gutter boards or those facier boards, you know, for
the last forty thirty, forty fifty sixty.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Years or more.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And yeah, those are areas that just need maintained over time.
They get a lot of environmental impact there.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, you know ron one of the things I see
with a facia board also, and even the sofets, uh,
but more of the facio where it comes to the
end of the run and you know where it's miterred
and another board you know, goes down the other side
of the house. And you go through all these freestall
(03:16):
cycles and drought and then it's raining, and then all
of a sudden that that miner starts, you know, it
starts pulling away a little bit, and squirrels, even raccoons
they can get they can pry those things off.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, yeah, the raccoons can fight it. They're strong enough.
And the even stronger yet our squirrel teeth, Uh you
know their front they're front and sizors their front, big teeth.
They don't stop growing their entire life. And to keep
teeth in condition, God's taught them how to gnaw on it,
and boy do they gnaw. Prime example, and how we
(03:52):
get get into this is that I had a customer
just this this week. We're currently working with this customer
heard noises a buffer or living room and family room.
When we get out there and the ridge vent was compromised,
so not the saw fit or the gutter board, but
the ridge vent. And they were getting in the ridge
vent and we got up in that attic. Gary, I'm
telling you, they had rolled insulation when it was installed
(04:15):
twenty five years ago, and in a certain section of
this house the insulation was completely gone. They had moved
and they have ripped. I was shocked. I got up
there and the insulation, all that back insulation that was
up to that rolled stuff, they had pulled it off
and all was left was the paper. And they had
moved that insulation to where their liking was usually stuff
(04:36):
that I believed down into the soffits and the overhangs. Well,
it's a amount of damage that they did. And then
I saw the big thing that worried me was the
romes wiring all chewed up and I could see colors
on the wiring which means reds, greens, and whites, which
are basically the three wires, which is not good. You
don't want to see that in an attic.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, we talked about that earlier. We were talking about
with Christmas lights. The soy in those wires. Rabbits like
to chew. I hit. It happened to me about ten
years ago. They just cut the wire right in half, got.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It right in half. The rodent's chew and they love
that soy. We believe it's because it's vegetable based and
the oils in that. And I don't know if they
find it tasty, but they sure seem to attack it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah. Yeah, A squirrels can even mess with plastic pipe.
I had a friend of mine, I had a lot
of damage in his house because they chewed into the plastic.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Pipe they did. I had the same customer. They had
a drain not that some customer, but I had a
customer had a drain pipe, and every time they turned
the bathroom sync up in the upstairs bathroom. They had
a flood in the kitchen below. Wow, And it was
because they had chewed through a three inch or four
inch drain stack fight and every time it ran water,
(05:53):
it escaped. Yeah, it got out and made damage.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well. I think of the news this week. There was
something like one hundred and fifty hamsters got loose on
an airplane and they had to account for every hamster,
and then they had to inspect the wiring of the plane.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, cause a lot of damage they
really do.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah. Well, so I always encourage people. I don't know
if anybody listens or they just blow me off, but boy,
if you can get somebody in your attic once or
twice a year, and if you're not physically capable of
doing it, you know, maybe a handyman or your kid
or something, but just get up in the attic just
(06:34):
to see what's going on. The installation getting displaced. Maybe
they came and left, I don't know, but you got
to know what's going on up there. If you have
a furnace up there or an air handler and the
furnace guys, ask them to just kind of take a
look around with his flashlight that's a good idea too, right.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It's always on per it's always good to have, you know,
especially like a wildlife, not just that you'll find out
if you've got another road in issue. Do you have mice?
Do you have squirrels? Did you have a raccoon sneak
in and not know it? And honest, obviously, while we're
up there, we're always looking for other things. We're an
addicts all the time. We see a lot of things
that people don't see because they're not upstairs. We seem
(07:18):
old you talked about move earlier, and we get up there.
We find bathroom vents that are not invented properly into
the attic, all just dumping in the attic and you
look at the back side of the rope and it's
all black yea, And you know that's not my forte.
But when we do inspections, sure, you know, we look
for anything that I would like to know if I
(07:38):
was the homeowner.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, well that's good to know, so Ron, just out
of curiosity. I never even thought about you just doing inspections.
I know you remove wildlife and you do repair damage
and things like that. Do you do attic inspections for
wildlife or.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
If anybody ever oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's preventions a
lot better than fixing it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
App to the fact, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well if yeah, if you ever want to look at
an attic, and it's always best to have it looked at,
just for general, Hey, what's going on up here? You know,
anything happening. You might get up there and see nothing,
and that's a good thing. You know, you have peace
of mind, right preventing stuff from happening. Repairs to your
house or doing things to you, you know, like like
(08:22):
do an exclusion or putting your ridge vent in a
good condition where animals can't get in. And we do
what's called wreck ridgement protection systems where we wrap those
They're not going to be involved now, but maybe five
years from now ridgements start to lift and change and
orp and allows animals in. If you can prevent that
in the future, you know, we do that. So we
(08:44):
do a lot of preventative stuff too.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Sure, interesting enough, insurance companies are getting a little finicky.
One of the questions I think I asked you the
last time I had you on, was does insurance cover
for wildlife for removal? When you were kind of a
little hesitant sometime sometimes they don't, but they're getting more finicky.
If you can that you did maintenance on there, you
(09:07):
got a case to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, you might, and I would always contact your agent.
And every state is different, but what we're finding is
that they never usually recover the actual removal process of
the animal, but sometimes on occasion they will cover potential
damage from the animal and so so. Yeah, but you
have to read the policy, and policies literally change a
(09:32):
year from year. They seemingly are getting more and more restrictive.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, but I guess if they can come and prove
that you haven't done maintenance to the facia board around
the gutters and it was rotten and you allowed those
animals to get in, you may not get it covered.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
And and and insurance companies are checking houses more and
more for general maintenance. They stopped by my house earlier
this year and took photos of my house to look
so they have a record of the general maintenance of
my home. And then I've had customers that had the
same thing, and they had calls from their insurance companies
say hey, you need to repair this or this, or
(10:11):
we might have an issue with you as your coverage
in the future, so something to do.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, when you get the call for wildlife removal, what
do you usually find? I mean, I'm not concerned about
the type of wildlife. I mean has it been going
on for a while or is it just like started
or do people procrastinate on that?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Also, I've had had both situations where hey, you know, Ron,
we just started hearing this noise. It's usually especially in
the following winter, we hear scratching in the walls or
ceiling of the house. And we usually have a big
conversation of when and how and you know, stuff like that,
and we try to do a little deciphering by the phone,
(10:53):
but usually ends up in an inspection and then I'll
use one of the questions how long has this been happening?
And sometimes if they just are that. At other times
I said, well I've been hearing this for six or
eight months, and I was like, okay, so if there
if there's something going on, that one, there's an issue,
you know, so uh, yeah, when and that's what Like
that house we went to, uh with the insulation that
(11:14):
was missing. She's been having an issue on and off
for years, she said, but didn't know and she finally
suspected squirrels. When she saw a whole bunch of squirrels
on her roof.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I remember, like, yeah, I remember when you said that,
that's a telltale sign. And even if you get snow
on the roof looking for activity or activity that's been happening.
How do they get into the the the ridge vent?
I mean they just the metal flashing or what do
(11:45):
they how do they do that?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Well? Ridge vents the newer ridge vents are plastic. They
got that plastic, and they'll chew through that really easy
if they want in. But in this case, this was
the what I like to call contra grade ridgement, the
aluminum style ridgement. It's just aluminum, and they have plugs
on the ends. They're supposed to put plugs in, these
(12:08):
little foam plugs, and those plugs go missing quite quickly,
either the installer to install them or the squirrels just
pulled or chewed them out. And once they are in,
they're in. And they even chewed the illuminumselves. You could
see big chew marks in the aluminum also. Yeah, So
then they just called down a trust and cross brace
(12:29):
of a trust and the trust it was so well
used as a travel pathway to get to the ridge
to get in or out. That the trust was black
dirty from body oils. This house has been infested for
years and we've solved the issue. I think we are
up to five or six squirrels already, and I think
we're done now because we haven't tracked anything in the
(12:50):
last two or three days. We want to go three
to five days of no activity and no sounds in
the attic before we feel comfortable. There's nothing like them.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, I know you do a great job. Again, and folks,
Ron Krueger, he is a plus wildlife control and uh,
people can reach you. I mean you're you're on. You've
got a nice little website and everything else. Ron. And
don't procrastinate. I guess is do the maintenance and don't
procrastinate as the words of the day.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's correct. Do your maintenance. Do a walk around the
house at least once a week just to see if
anything changes. It doesn't take you all about two three minutes,
and you'll know real quick if there's a problem.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You've been installing those trip wires for the reindeer. Yeah,
just to ask. All right, Ron, thanks, we'll talk again.
Thank you very much for your time, appreciated, God blessed Gary.
All right, thank you, same to you, all right. Ron
Krueger of A plus Wildlife Control, very very knowledgeable guy.
(13:51):
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We may not always agree, but we can agree on
one thing. Fifty five KRC is the talk station. All right,
back at it we go thirty three minutes after the
top of the hour. You know, one of the things
they can do really a lot of damage to your home.
We talk about all the time is water and number
(00:23):
two on that list is animal intrusion or wildlife intrusion
into your home. Maybe you've had that problem before. Squirrels
especially cause a big mess in the attic. So I
have my man Ron Krueger. He's out of the Akron
Cleveland area as a company called A Plus Wildlife Control
and Ron, welcome again that home with Gary Salvin. How
(00:45):
you doing.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Good, Mary, I'm doing great. Gary, Good morning, and happy
Thanksgiving to you and all the listeners out there.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Very good, Happy Thanksgiving to you. Ron. And I don't
think turkeys are going to get into our attic, but
there might be some other creators. But what's the what's
the big hot animal causing all the problem this time
of year?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, you named it. It's it's a squirrel season for us,
the time of year that the weather's getting a little
cooler at night. Obviously, winners going to be setting in
and we're heading into breeding season soon, believe it or
not for squirrels, and so they are looking to find
a place to dwell and a lot of times they'll
(01:27):
find a spot in your house. You said water damage
is the number one and I agree with that. And
water damage leads to rotted woods from your gutters and
your eaves, and that's the spot these little buggers like
to take advantage of. They'll take that punky, soft, pushy,
squishy wood, chew it open even more and boom they're in.
(01:48):
And if they're in your overhangs or your soffets, they're
also in erratic too. So yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I'll tell you squirrels, they're industrial little guys. I mean,
is it?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So?
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I guess the way to prevent that from happening, and
then we'll talk about, you know, what to do when
it happens. But to prevent it is maintenance. I mean,
it's knowing what's going on with your house the right.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
One hundred percent. I would have the house inspected just
structurally once every year or so, just to look it over.
You know, the facier board, which is the gutter board,
the board that sits behind your gutter. I bet you
behind the top of your chimney is probably one of
the most neglected areas of your house, right because nobody
ever looks at it, nobody ever wants to paint it
(02:35):
because it's so hidden behind the gutter, right. And in
some of these older homes, they've had water splashing on
those gutter boards or those facier boards, you know, for
the last forty thirty, forty fifty sixty.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Years or more.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And yeah, those are areas that just need maintained over time.
They get a lot of environmental impact there.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, you know ron one of the things I see
with a facia board also, and even the sofets, uh,
but more of the facio where it comes to the
end of the run and you know where it's miterred
and another board you know, goes down the other side
of the house. And you go through all these freestall
(03:16):
cycles and drought and then it's raining, and then all
of a sudden that that miner starts, you know, it
starts pulling away a little bit, and squirrels, even raccoons
they can get they can pry those things off.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Well, yeah, the raccoons can fight it. They're strong enough.
And the even stronger yet our squirrel teeth, Uh you
know their front they're front and sizors their front, big teeth.
They don't stop growing their entire life. And to keep
teeth in condition, God's taught them how to gnaw on it,
and boy do they gnaw. Prime example, and how we
(03:52):
get get into this is that I had a customer
just this this week. We're currently working with this customer
heard noises a buffer or living room and family room.
When we get out there and the ridge vent was compromised,
so not the saw fit or the gutter board, but
the ridge vent. And they were getting in the ridge
vent and we got up in that attic. Gary, I'm
telling you, they had rolled insulation when it was installed
(04:15):
twenty five years ago, and in a certain section of
this house the insulation was completely gone. They had moved
and they have ripped. I was shocked. I got up
there and the insulation, all that back insulation that was
up to that rolled stuff, they had pulled it off
and all was left was the paper. And they had
moved that insulation to where their liking was usually stuff
(04:36):
that I believed down into the soffits and the overhangs. Well,
it's a amount of damage that they did. And then
I saw the big thing that worried me was the
romes wiring all chewed up and I could see colors
on the wiring which means reds, greens, and whites, which
are basically the three wires, which is not good. You
don't want to see that in an attic.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, we talked about that earlier. We were talking about
with Christmas lights. The soy in those wires. Rabbits like
to chew. I hit. It happened to me about ten
years ago. They just cut the wire right in half, got.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
It right in half. The rodent's chew and they love
that soy. We believe it's because it's vegetable based and
the oils in that. And I don't know if they
find it tasty, but they sure seem to attack it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah. Yeah, A squirrels can even mess with plastic pipe.
I had a friend of mine, I had a lot
of damage in his house because they chewed into the plastic.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Pipe they did. I had the same customer. They had
a drain not that some customer, but I had a
customer had a drain pipe, and every time they turned
the bathroom sync up in the upstairs bathroom. They had
a flood in the kitchen below. Wow, And it was
because they had chewed through a three inch or four
inch drain stack fight and every time it ran water,
(05:53):
it escaped. Yeah, it got out and made damage.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well. I think of the news this week. There was
something like one hundred and fifty hamsters got loose on
an airplane and they had to account for every hamster,
and then they had to inspect the wiring of the plane.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, cause a lot of damage they
really do.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yeah. Well, so I always encourage people. I don't know
if anybody listens or they just blow me off, but boy,
if you can get somebody in your attic once or
twice a year, and if you're not physically capable of
doing it, you know, maybe a handyman or your kid
or something, but just get up in the attic just
(06:34):
to see what's going on. The installation getting displaced. Maybe
they came and left, I don't know, but you got
to know what's going on up there. If you have
a furnace up there or an air handler and the
furnace guys, ask them to just kind of take a
look around with his flashlight that's a good idea too, right.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
It's always on per it's always good to have, you know,
especially like a wildlife, not just that you'll find out
if you've got another road in issue. Do you have mice?
Do you have squirrels? Did you have a raccoon sneak
in and not know it? And honest, obviously, while we're
up there, we're always looking for other things. We're an
addicts all the time. We see a lot of things
that people don't see because they're not upstairs. We seem
(07:18):
old you talked about move earlier, and we get up there.
We find bathroom vents that are not invented properly into
the attic, all just dumping in the attic and you
look at the back side of the rope and it's
all black yea, And you know that's not my forte.
But when we do inspections, sure, you know, we look
for anything that I would like to know if I
(07:38):
was the homeowner.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, well that's good to know, so Ron, just out
of curiosity. I never even thought about you just doing inspections.
I know you remove wildlife and you do repair damage
and things like that. Do you do attic inspections for
wildlife or.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
If anybody ever oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's preventions a
lot better than fixing it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
App to the fact, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Well if yeah, if you ever want to look at
an attic, and it's always best to have it looked at,
just for general, Hey, what's going on up here? You know,
anything happening. You might get up there and see nothing,
and that's a good thing. You know, you have peace
of mind, right preventing stuff from happening. Repairs to your
house or doing things to you, you know, like like
(08:22):
do an exclusion or putting your ridge vent in a
good condition where animals can't get in. And we do
what's called wreck ridgement protection systems where we wrap those
They're not going to be involved now, but maybe five
years from now ridgements start to lift and change and
orp and allows animals in. If you can prevent that
in the future, you know, we do that. So we
(08:44):
do a lot of preventative stuff too.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Sure, interesting enough, insurance companies are getting a little finicky.
One of the questions I think I asked you the
last time I had you on, was does insurance cover
for wildlife for removal? When you were kind of a
little hesitant sometime sometimes they don't, but they're getting more finicky.
If you can that you did maintenance on there, you
(09:07):
got a case to protect yourself.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, you might, and I would always contact your agent.
And every state is different, but what we're finding is
that they never usually recover the actual removal process of
the animal, but sometimes on occasion they will cover potential
damage from the animal and so so. Yeah, but you
have to read the policy, and policies literally change a
(09:32):
year from year. They seemingly are getting more and more restrictive.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, but I guess if they can come and prove
that you haven't done maintenance to the facia board around
the gutters and it was rotten and you allowed those
animals to get in, you may not get it covered.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
And and and insurance companies are checking houses more and
more for general maintenance. They stopped by my house earlier
this year and took photos of my house to look
so they have a record of the general maintenance of
my home. And then I've had customers that had the
same thing, and they had calls from their insurance companies
say hey, you need to repair this or this, or
(10:11):
we might have an issue with you as your coverage
in the future, so something to do.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, when you get the call for wildlife removal, what
do you usually find? I mean, I'm not concerned about
the type of wildlife. I mean has it been going
on for a while or is it just like started
or do people procrastinate on that?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Also, I've had had both situations where hey, you know, Ron,
we just started hearing this noise. It's usually especially in
the following winter, we hear scratching in the walls or
ceiling of the house. And we usually have a big
conversation of when and how and you know, stuff like that,
and we try to do a little deciphering by the phone,
(10:53):
but usually ends up in an inspection and then I'll
use one of the questions how long has this been happening?
And sometimes if they just are that. At other times
I said, well I've been hearing this for six or
eight months, and I was like, okay, so if there
if there's something going on, that one, there's an issue,
you know, so uh, yeah, when and that's what Like
that house we went to, uh with the insulation that
(11:14):
was missing. She's been having an issue on and off
for years, she said, but didn't know and she finally
suspected squirrels. When she saw a whole bunch of squirrels
on her roof.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I remember, like, yeah, I remember when you said that,
that's a telltale sign. And even if you get snow
on the roof looking for activity or activity that's been happening.
How do they get into the the the ridge vent?
I mean they just the metal flashing or what do
(11:45):
they how do they do that?
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Well? Ridge vents the newer ridge vents are plastic. They
got that plastic, and they'll chew through that really easy
if they want in. But in this case, this was
the what I like to call contra grade ridgement, the
aluminum style ridgement. It's just aluminum, and they have plugs
on the ends. They're supposed to put plugs in, these
(12:08):
little foam plugs, and those plugs go missing quite quickly,
either the installer to install them or the squirrels just
pulled or chewed them out. And once they are in,
they're in. And they even chewed the illuminumselves. You could
see big chew marks in the aluminum also. Yeah, So
then they just called down a trust and cross brace
(12:29):
of a trust and the trust it was so well
used as a travel pathway to get to the ridge
to get in or out. That the trust was black
dirty from body oils. This house has been infested for
years and we've solved the issue. I think we are
up to five or six squirrels already, and I think
we're done now because we haven't tracked anything in the
(12:50):
last two or three days. We want to go three
to five days of no activity and no sounds in
the attic before we feel comfortable. There's nothing like them.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, I know you do a great job. Again, and folks,
Ron Krueger, he is a plus wildlife control and uh,
people can reach you. I mean you're you're on. You've
got a nice little website and everything else. Ron. And
don't procrastinate. I guess is do the maintenance and don't
procrastinate as the words of the day.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
That's correct. Do your maintenance. Do a walk around the
house at least once a week just to see if
anything changes. It doesn't take you all about two three minutes,
and you'll know real quick if there's a problem.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
You've been installing those trip wires for the reindeer. Yeah,
just to ask. All right, Ron, thanks, we'll talk again.
Thank you very much for your time, appreciated, God blessed Gary.
All right, thank you, same to you, all right. Ron
Krueger of A plus Wildlife Control, very very knowledgeable guy.
(13:51):
I am mon a lot because he's really good. All Right,
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