October 25, 2025 • 45 mins
Your calls, tips and questions with Gary. We also talked to our friends at All Decked Out.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
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hour of the show as we work our way through
a weekend. By the way, at the bottom of this hour,
Joe Hagan from All Decked Out. He's a local deck builder,
very knowledgeable. I've known him for years. He's going to
be joining us and we're going to talk about kind
of trends going on in decking. I know there's I've
(01:37):
got quite a few questions on some of the newer
products that I've seen for decking. He may have some
input on that, and also common mistakes folks make if
they're getting ready to tackle what I consider a pretty
sizable project. So Joe Hagan will be joining us at
the bottom of the hour. In the meantime again, our
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number is eight hundred eighty two three eight two five
to five and water welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Hey Gary. Yeah, I just finished painting my gutters and
downspouts at Sarah, but I ended up choosing a nap
that was a little bit too a big too thick,
and got some drops on the sidewalk and the driveway
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of course on concrete.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And I've tried getting them out using.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Everything gasoline, wirebrush, oops, even a little drimmal tool, you know,
but you still see you still see that white paint,
even the outlines on the on the concrete. Do you
know or you were, of any product that might remove
that dried paint from the forest concrete?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Your your oops should take care of it. The problem is,
I think, is that paint splatter has penetrated into the concrete,
which makes it a little more difficult. I mean, there's
concrete is hard, but there's capillaries in it. So if
the paint actually works down into the capillaries.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Because it's not sealed or something along those lines, it'll
be more challenging. To get out. I guess one of
the things would be like a regular paint stripper. There's a.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Eco friendly in other words, you know, you could even
use it inside for something in the future. But it's
called smart Strip. It's made by Demand Global, and if
you go to their website, they may have products just
for splatters. I'm not familiar with it. They make four
different types of paint strippers, you know, even some for
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epoxies and lead based paints, but the Smart Strip Advanced
is pretty much their go to for a latex akrillic paint.
And I'm you would you would put a lather of
that on there. Is it spread across a large area
or is it just a little bit here and there, a.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Little bit here and there.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But I got it all around there, all around the house,
back patio and almost I mean, you think I'd spilt
the paint, but no, it's it's drops from the heavy
nap roller when I rolled it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I'll tell you what, I'd stay away from the wire brush.
I'd stay away from the drumal tools because you're really
compromising to finish on that, opening up the pores even
more and probably you know you can grind it off.
But you're going to change the texture and everything else.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I think changed everything places where.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I tried that. Yeah, so if you want to check
it out. I mean a lot of people will carry
the like ACE hardware.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I know they have it.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It's smart strip non Global, or go on their website
demand Global dot com. I believe is what it is
and take a look at those strippers and that might
be the best way for the surface and also for removal.
It's not like the strippers of old where you would
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just put it on and in you know, fifteen seconds,
you can wipe it off. You put it on, you
may have to cover it, and you should just leave
it there for about two hours and then literally it's
just rints, you know, scrubbers and rints.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So even though that paint may have worked its way
down into the pool.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, I think this will work its way down also.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I do. That's why I said I would check out
their website and see if they've got you know, smaller
things of it, like a little cork tub or something
along those lines. Just check out their website because I
feel very certain it'll remove the paint.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
But I don't know. If they ask one more.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Time before we hang up what did you call that
product again? Or website one more time?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
The website is Dumont. It's d U M O N
D Global dot com Dumon.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
The name of the product, if you want to google
it is smart Strip Advanced.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Got it all right?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Thanks Gary, I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
You're quite welcome. Thank you, Bye bye? All right.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Uh yeah, brings up an interesting point and rollers, It's
not just that the tools you use for painting really
really critically important. On your newer advanced crytics and water
based paints. Polyester brushes are outstanding, and especially for gutters.
(06:56):
I don't know if i'd use a roller a good
polyester brush, she'll do a really great job on that.
When you're painting walls xterior, I've seen it happen many times.
The texture of the surface you're painting really dictates the
size of the texture on that roller, So it comes
in the depth of the pile of the roller. It
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starts down on like a three sixteenth of an inch
a quarter inch of three ace a half inch. For
just most smooth surfaces like drywall inside your house, three
ace of an inch is enough. You start having a
little bit of texture on some drywall a half inch.
You've got concrete block probably five ace of an inch,
but using your wrong type of tool can certainly lead
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you down that road.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Doug, welcome, Hey.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Thanks for taking my call. Just move back from Florida.
And the house I bought has a detached garage a
single roof, has the moss build up. Is it best
to use what you forget and then crush it or
use it deck crush first.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And well, I think I would use the wet and forget.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I do think, depending on the thickness of the moss
dug it may take two applications. But we got all
winter to work on this, right, you know, you know,
daylight today is really perfect. You'll have minimal evaporation. You
get a hose end connector a wet and forget. You
saturate the heck out of that and forget about it.
(08:28):
I mean, don't even look at it till Christmas time
and see if it's starting to turn brown and starting
to loosen up. And if it's not, you get kind
of a cloudy forty degree day, go ahead and spray
it again.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Okay, and then if it needs it after that, deck
crush earth.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta be yes, you can deck brush it,
but you've got to be careful because if it's actually moss,
it has roots, and between a deck brush and the
roots of the moss can really pull off the protection
from the shingle, which is that granular coating. I don't
know how old that roof is. Maybe a lot of
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that's already off. I don't know, but I would let
it do its work chemically and kind of stay as
far away from the mechanical end of thing as you can.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
All right, perfect, right, Thanks for you.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
You're quite welcome. Take care all right. Our lines are open.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So I invite you in, and then we're going to
talk a little bit about decks. What's new in decks,
what kind of surfaces can we put on decks. It's
a big investment in your home. Outdoor living is huge
right now, and so Joe Hagen, he's a local contractor.
The name of his business is all decked out. You
(09:49):
probably go and find his website and take a look
at some beautiful structures that he's built. But we'll talk
to Joe at the bottom of the hour, and you,
if you'd like to join us, do so. It's eight
hundred and eight two three eight two fivety five. You're
at Home with Gary Sullivan.
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We have John John Welcome.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Hey Gary, this is John again from Kentucky. Yes, sir,
you and I spoke a couple of months ago about
trying to get my tub fixed with Miracle message. And
I had a chip in the American standard tub that
just kept weeping water. And we thought we sucked all
the water out of this hole. That kind of worked.
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Water worked its way into the kind of inner linings
of the tub and they seal it over, but it
kept bubbling through. And when I called in, we were
kind of stumped on what we should do because we couldn't.
It kept weeping water, We couldn't get it all out,
came out.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Is this a steel tub, John, I mean steal with
coating or what is it?
Speaker 7 (14:07):
It's a porcelain coated I think American standard calls it
like something cast proprietary, yes, not cast iron on pursuit right, Okay,
I kept weeping and rusting, and we just you know, like,
where's this water coming from? I guess use over the
years with a small chip. So they came back out
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a couple of weeks ago and drilled a second hole
down by the closer to the drain, and then got
their air compressor to blow through the initial hole and
it blew out a bunch of additional water out by
the new hole that they drilled. So yeah, I was
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able to free up all that resting water that we
couldn't suck out with the with the vacuum. So then
they went back in and just filled it with some
pose it and then put their standard miracle message finish
on it.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
So yeah, it was there. We had them stumped, and
then yeah, they fought through what the best way to
do it and kind of drill and hold it. I'm
going to relieve all the water pressure that built.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Up in there.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That's that's interesting. So just to kind of recap make
sure I understand it's I'm glad they got it fixed
for you. But the chip was through like the porcelain covering,
if you will, and it went down to the dark. Yeah,
into the dark, and the water was finding its way
there and rusting. And wow, that's that's pretty good. That's
(15:39):
good that they figured that out. You'll do that double
drill when when you have fiberglass shower bases a lot
when they cracked, but I haven't heard about it on
a steel tub, to be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Yeah, so they did that, and of course then they
figured out what the depth of the drill bit should
be so doesn't go on all the way through. And
so yeah, success, and you know, they they've worked some
different solutions and we came up with the right one.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Very good. Well, thanks for letting us know. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, all right, thanks all right, John, thank you, And
from John we go to John John Welcome.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
Hello, Yes, sir, Yes, I've got a problem with I
added on room in my house. Houses. The add ons
probably about forty years old. In the attico they took
and just put in that insulation in there. But it's
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not They put the sheet rock up and then went
up top and put the inflation in, just laid it
in there. I want to put in some some spraight
in insulation up there. Do I need to flip that
over or leave it like it is? It's craft based.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
What kind of insulation are you putting in open cell
or closed cell? Uh?
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Just the just the blown in fiberglass.
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Oh, just blown in fiberglass. And is this in a wall?
You say?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
No?
Speaker 4 (17:15):
In the ceilings, oh, in the ceiling okay. And the
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Speaker 8 (17:22):
Uh no, uhh the face it's backwards. They yeah, I
do have to feel it.
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Yeah, yeah, your paper facing should face your living area
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Speaker 8 (17:37):
Yes, well it's I mean, it's not nailed in or
nothing like that. It's just laid in there and it's
not you know, you know. And the other question is
is uh, well, there's two questions on my roof. One
has heard the guy that, uh can I just use
I've just got the algae on my roof and it
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to use.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
On that, Yes, sir, yep, And you can get it
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Speaker 8 (18:09):
Okay, And we're planning on putting in a metal roof
and we got just a shingle roof now. But the house,
the main section of the house is built back in
fifty one, so we got it and they didn't brace
it quite good enough, so it's got a little bit
of a sag maybe one inch one and a half
(18:31):
inch max. I'm gonna take the old roof off, and
what do I need to put on top of there?
And I know that I need to take and put
boards in there to build it up to where it
would be level.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Well, I think you got to take it. You know
there was probably plywood used in there. You're going to
see what you got and I would replace the wood
the decking.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Maybe you need to.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Shim that or not a hard question to answer without
seeing it, but yes, you definitely want to follow the
manufacturers directions on the metal roofing, whether it can go
right on top of the decking or whether firring strips
need to be used, and then any sagging wood or
something we certainly need to be short up and probably
there's probably some water damage there and replace the dry
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rottage wood. Hope that helps you, John, Thank you very
much for the call. Coming up next, Joe Hagen all
decked out. Hey, we're gonna talk about decks.
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Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well, thanks for joining me. We are all about your
home and improving the value of your home, taking care
of your home. And you're at home with Gary Sullivan,
and today I want to introduce you to well a
local contractor in my neck of the woods, and you
know the flagship station is Cincinnati, Ohio. His name is
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Joe Hagen. He's president of a company called All Decked Out.
So he is our decking guru. And Joe, welcome again
that home with Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 9 (22:57):
Gary, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
You're quite welcome. So house the decking business this year.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
Decking business this year has been great at first, start
off a little bit slower, but really started kind of
really taking off as the season went on.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Boy, you said a mouthful there in our city, it
was a rainy, rainy spring. I know a lot of
painters and builders and remodelers and now deck builders. It
was a slow start, but boy, once the weather changed everything,
everything seemed to break. You know. One of the things
that's been a trend probably for ten years is outdoor living,
(23:36):
and of course, for many of us, that means a
really really nice deck. Can you just kind of give
me an overview of what's happening in the deck business
in terms of trends.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
Yeah, a lot of people these days are going for composite,
low maintenance material. They're tired of standing their deck and
replacing boards and worrying about rot. And we're also seeing
a shift in different framing options for decks, like composite framing,
steel framing, aluminum framing. So there's a lot more options
these days. But a lot of people are just seeing
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the value and low maintenance and not having to replace,
you know, their decks in every you know, ten to
fifteen years or so.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, I think the deck has become very much a
structure of the house and people are looking at it
that way. It's it's not like something I'm gonna build
and I'm gonna forget about it, and it's just kind
of rot on the side of that house. I mean,
they want something, they want to enjoy. It's it's a
centerpiece to a house.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
If it's done right, you.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
Agree one hundred percent. It is an extension of the home,
and a lot of times it's more important than like
an indoor part of your home because if you entertain
and have people over, it's a great place to like, Hey,
let's go out to find and enjoy the outdoor space together.
That's a great it's a great feature to have add
a lot of value home. And there's a lot of
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things you can do out there, kitchens, fire pits, you know,
and that kind of things that really make it a
unique space.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Jaws over a friend's house a couple of weeks ago,
and he had built a I don't know, I don't know,
maybe there's a special name for it, but it was
covered I guess a covered deck is what it'd be called.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
And it was a composite, they don't know what kind.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But then he had a fireplace in it and he
had a TV over the fireplace and for the dining
you took a couple of steps down there was a
lower deck and it was beautiful. I mean, the design
of this deck was great. And your business design work's
got to be a big part of your job.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
It is, and every good deck starts with a good
design obviously. You know, you want to think about you know,
a lot of planning goes into it to have a
well built deck. You know, how you're going to use
the space, You're right, I mean, if you have a
deck and you have a walkout basement, it's a great
idea to at a drainage system underneath there, to have
that deck kind of serve as a roof. It just
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adds so much more out therealytic space up spending the
money that you would spend on like a roof structure
over it. So you actually, you know, turn that framing
into usable space below the deck and put a patio
underneath there and create a whole another space down there.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Other area, whether it's another patio area or even storage
I've seen used. But having it dries good. Yes, Yeah,
So I guess the first thing I guess people can
make mistakes is just a planning, just kind of just
thinking a square deck and whoopee, undone that would be
(26:41):
a mistake.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Yes, I mean you want to think about where you
place the steps, you know, because you're gonna have walkway
zones where you're gonna place furniture, because you know you're
not going to place furniture right in front of a door,
right in front of walkway. So designing a deck is
very important for like traffic flow. And I've seen a
lot of decks not designed very well. And you can
pay a lot of money and have a really big
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deck built with multi levels, which looks good for pictures,
but sometimes it's not so functional. And with the cost
of materials think so high with composite. You don't want
to waste a lot of square footage due to a
bad design because you're just spending unnecessary money.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Sure, we're going to get to the decking structures in
a minute. Here.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
One of the things I get calls on a lot
of times is people have an old deck that hasn't
been maintained, or it's just getting old, or they're just
it's getting real old, staining it every year or two
and oh, I'll just put some composites on top of
this and everything will be okay. And I'm going, well,
(27:44):
hold on composites are a little more expensive than they
then you know, pressure tree wood and the installation's a
little different, and what kind of shape is you're framing?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Do you run into those questions almost every day? Really?
Speaker 9 (28:00):
Okay, yeah, so a lot of people think, oh, my
deck's been here fifteen twenty years, the framing's good, we're
just going to we want to replace it with some
positive decking. And you know, when you remove those boards,
you're going to leave with thousands of holes in there
so water can get in there and create rocks. A
lot of times it's best to just you know, redo
the framing. If your deck's over you know, let's say
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five or ten years old, you know, you want to
make sure that that framing is going to last. You
don't want to put decking that has a fifty year
warranty on a frame that might last another ten more.
That could be a really expensive mistake. So it's always
best to have a professional out to take a look
at it. Coach change as well, you know, every few
years coach change. So it's not as easy as just
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swapping it out, putting new deck down, because you know
you're going to see all those imperfections that might have
you might not have seen from like wood wood decking, right,
So sometimes it's better to just to start with wood woods.
You know, probably the least expensive.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Thing on a deck.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
It's like I foundation of the home, but it's the
most important part.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Plus your composites they're not all load bearing, right, whereas
pressure treated is. I mean you might have twenty inch
centered joyce and in a lot of cases can't do
that with a composite.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Yeah, you're right, Like if it was two by six framing,
I can't put composite decking on there because our composite
decking is only spanned for sixteen inches, so it's very
important for the spanning as well. So h quite a
wavy deck.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, so the types of decking, and a lot of
people know about pressure treat wouldn't one thing they know
is there's a lot of maintenance in it. And don't
let anybody tell you there isn't a lot of maintenance.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
There is a lot of maintenance.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
We talk about it every weekend. But we're seeing a
a lot of different types of composite decking. Now we
see capped, we see non capped, we see I'm not
going to say heat proof but doesn't absorb as much heat,
so that that appeals to some people. We have some
(30:07):
that have wood grains in it, some don't have wood
grains in it. Are those all based on the expense
of the deck or what should I be looking at
if I start working with a contractor even yourself.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
How do you pick the right kind of decking?
Speaker 7 (30:29):
Gary?
Speaker 9 (30:30):
That is a great question, and there are so many
different decking options on the market it can be overwhelming.
All the different manufacturers typically are going to have like
a good, better, best, But what that means is basically
price point scenario. Your higher end deck boards are going
to have more wood grains, more color variations, and then
(30:50):
your lower cost boards are going to be more like
uncapped at the bottom, not fully encapsulated or less color
options more you know, less wood grain. For your lower
cost options, there's gonna be products out there that have
that's made with PVC. Your higher end ones are going
to be made with like mineral based and then you know,
(31:10):
some of your middle to low cost ones are gonna
be like a wood plastic so it's basically saw dust
plastic like recycled material with a PVC coding. Those are
gonna be your more economical ones, and those do absorb heat,
and that's what you're and that's basically what you're paying for,
is the you know, the performance of it. Some of
them are gonna get hotter. Your lower cost deck boards
(31:32):
are gonna get a little bit hotter, They're going to
scuff up a little bit easier. Your higher end boards
are going to be more heat resistance, more color like
color variations in the boards. Sure, A lot of times
it comes down to what you want to spend and
kind of what your personal preferences too. If you're going
to have a roof over a deck, maybe you don't
need all the the higher end characteristics of some of
(31:53):
the more costly boards. But a lot of times it
comes down to color too.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, and positioning, right, I mean the positioning of the
deck and the initial building phase may come in with temperature.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
Absolutely, So Yeah, if you're going to have your deck
exposed a you know, direct sun all day long, going
with a wood plastic composite, it would be really hot,
to say the least in the you know, in the
evening time, where your mineral based deck boards are going
to dissipate heat a lot faster. They all get hot.
(32:30):
But the difference is with the mineral based composite deck
boards is that they dissipate heat a lot faster, so
by like six seven o'clock, it's a lot cooler, or
some of the wood plastics stay hotter for a lot longer.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Okay, So when you're you talked about the base the frame,
when you're kind of looking at that and you're talking about,
you know, a high end maybe a six figure deck,
tell me about my options. I remember when Treks rolled
(33:03):
out the first one, I think it was a steel
framing and then you said aluminum and composits on that.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Now.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
Yeah, so they have Owen's Corning makes a composite lumber.
You do have to be careful with span. It doesn't
span of stars like your steel in your wood. So
they have composite framing out now they're steel framing tracks
and fortress they have steel framing options. And then you
also have aluminum is really coming into the market now,
(33:35):
and you know, so there's some great alternative framing options
that if you don't ever want to have to deal
with rod again, you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, well I'll tell you what one thing everybody know
that has a deck, an older deck, an old you know,
press tree deck that's ten, fifteen, twenty years old.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
They don't like it. They do want to get rid
of it.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So if I can keep you for about ten minutes more,
can we take a break, and that'd lock to come
back and let's inspect an older deck.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Things we should look for. Does that sound fair?
Speaker 9 (34:09):
Sounds fair?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
All right?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
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decked Out. He is our decking expert. We'll continue our
conversation with Joe. And you're at home with Gary Sullivan.
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continuing our conversation, Joe Hagen, he's president of All decked
Out and builds wonderful, beautiful, beautiful decks, And Joe, I'm
sure you've got a lot of pictures of the decks
you've built at your website. And is there also a
website where people can get ideas and just some information
(37:33):
and maybe you have that on your website or maybe
there's another website people can go to.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
Yeah, I definitely have a lot of pictures on our
website and our social media and to get ideas a
lot of times you can just google different pictures, they've
got to get some ideas of what you're thinking about doing.
But looking at different deck builder's website or gallery, you
can definitely get a lot of ideas and inspirations from there.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Okay, what's your website.
Speaker 9 (38:03):
It's www dot all decked out five to one three
dot com.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Very good, so folks, you can take a look at
that all right. A lot of people with the old
decks I was telling, you know, talking about that and
old decks meaning it could be uh, any generation of
pressure treated wood from CCA to AQM.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
On and on and on and on and every now
and then in the news.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
In fact, in our city it wasn't a deck. It
was just a little balcony. You hear about the problems
where they collapse and you know, too many people on here,
or it wasn't built properly.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
And so walk me through.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
If I have an old deck on the back end
of my house, it's it's not the greatest maintained deck.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
And what can I do to just inspect it, just
to kind of get an idea is this thing and
I'm not talking about a collapse and though that could
be one, but is it safe? I mean there's nails,
there's split and what things is there corrosion?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
What?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
What things? And where would I inspect an old wood deck?
Speaker 9 (39:09):
Yes, And that is a very important topic. I feel like,
you know, a lot of people get a false sense
of security walking on a deck. I honestly think it's
best to hire a deck professional to come out do
an inspection, you know, after your deck's like five or
ten year like maybe like ten years old, maybe every
few years, hire a deck professional. I think the city
a lot of times does free inspections as well. You know,
(39:31):
most homeowners don't build their you know, build decks for
a living, so they don't really know what to look for.
And you know, there are resources and there are companies
out there that will inspect the deck. And I feel
like that's a very important thing to do. As far
as like what the most important features are on a deck,
I would say the attachment to the house number one,
because a lot of times we pull decks off to
(39:54):
build a brand new one and realize there's a lot
of rot going on because you know, whoever bloke the
original deck didn't install proper flashing and you know, water
is the enemy really with these products. If it starts
breaking down and rots because you need airflow too, so
it's like you have water and if it doesn't get
the proper airflow that it needs, it's going to accelerate
(40:15):
rot and that's where it can be dangerous. Hardware if
it rusts, you know, those can fail as well. So
a lot of things to look at. I'm not as concerned.
A lot of people get worried about, like their post
cracking or have a vertical cracker split. We call that checking.
I'm not as worried about that. It's actually very common
and normal. But if you see a horizontal horizontal crack,
(40:39):
that could be a load issue. So that's probably one
of the biggest things that people ask me about. You know,
is a structure okay, because they see cracks in the wood,
and you know that's normal. But you know, all in all,
I would say it's best to have a professional look
at the deck, you know, and I think many of
the cities will even do that for free.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
One question I have because I get asked the question
a lot, and you're right. I mean, a homeowner, unless
they're very trained and you're going to tackle one of
these big decks, it's no place for you if you're
going to have a little.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Deck maybe and you know what you're doing, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
How are posts treated with decks now, I mean they
in ground on above ground? I get asked that question
a bunch.
Speaker 9 (41:26):
Yeah, they put a lot of chemicals in it now
for ground contact, you know, the like the treatment goes
that goes into it's treated for ground contact. But you
still want to, you know, add extra layer of protection.
We actually use a coating around the base of it,
almost like a rubber coating. Or it's better to put
it on tier style footers where it's not really touching
(41:48):
the ground. You know, there's there's pros and cons to both,
but WOULD that you use is definitely critical as well.
Like even the framing of the decks we use, it's
rated for ground contact even though we use it above ground,
so added layer of protection.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
I tell everybody there's only one kind of pressure treated
WOULD and that's ground contact. Yeah, don't save a few dollars,
don't save a few dollars, Yeah, exactly, all right. I'm
just trying to so what's it.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I don't want to ask what a price range is
because I'm going to guess a price range for a
deck and there's all different sizes and styles.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
It could be fifty thousand.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
It could be one hundred and fifty thousand, and you've
probably bought the build even more expensive ones.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Is that true?
Speaker 9 (42:38):
That is true?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 9 (42:40):
The price varies. I mean it really just depends on
the materials. You can do it if your budget constance,
you can do it for you know, a good value.
But it is a large investment and that's why sometimes
it is better to just leave it up to the pros,
you know, versus doing it yourself, because mistakes are very
costly if the materials is expensive.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Probably My final question to you will be when you're
looking at decking and you're talking to a contractor and
you're educating them, warranty on that decking is important. Also
people are worried about it fading, scratching, peeling, whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
The case may be. What is a good warranty for
a composite decking?
Speaker 9 (43:21):
Now, yeah, most almost industry standard is going to be
twenty five years to fifty years on the warranty, and
a lot of these companies now are offering because now
they're kind of competing with each other on a warranty
would be to offer a labor warranty associated with it.
I think that's very important that you know, if you're
going to have a deck of that, and you know
(43:42):
that kind of investment, you want to make sure if
anything happens, they don't just give you out, you know,
put out new decking on your driveway and then you
have to reinstall it. A good company that really backs
their products going to pay for that to be you know, installed.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Right, and there's an element of comfort. I mean, you're
making a sizable investment in your home. You're enlarging your house.
Outdoor living is the thing, and you want it to
be there as long as you're there. So I totally
agree with you. Joe, thank you so much for joining
us today. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
It was a pleasure.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Thank you, Gary.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
All Right, it's all decked out five to one three
dot com. If you want to take a look at
some of Joe's work. He's located right in the Cincinnati
area where our flagship station is and we thank him
very very much. All Right, we'll continue with your calls.
It's eight hundred eight two three eight two five to five.
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(01:37):
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number is eight hundred eighty two three eight two five
to five and water welcome.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Hey Gary. Yeah, I just finished painting my gutters and
downspouts at Sarah, but I ended up choosing a nap
that was a little bit too a big too thick,
and got some drops on the sidewalk and the driveway
(02:28):
of course on concrete.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
And I've tried getting them out using.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Everything gasoline, wirebrush, oops, even a little drimmal tool, you know,
but you still see you still see that white paint,
even the outlines on the on the concrete. Do you
know or you were, of any product that might remove
that dried paint from the forest concrete?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Your your oops should take care of it. The problem is,
I think, is that paint splatter has penetrated into the concrete,
which makes it a little more difficult. I mean, there's
concrete is hard, but there's capillaries in it. So if
the paint actually works down into the capillaries.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Because it's not sealed or something along those lines, it'll
be more challenging. To get out. I guess one of
the things would be like a regular paint stripper. There's a.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Eco friendly in other words, you know, you could even
use it inside for something in the future. But it's
called smart Strip. It's made by Demand Global, and if
you go to their website, they may have products just
for splatters. I'm not familiar with it. They make four
different types of paint strippers, you know, even some for
(03:57):
epoxies and lead based paints, but the Smart Strip Advanced
is pretty much their go to for a latex akrillic paint.
And I'm you would you would put a lather of
that on there. Is it spread across a large area
or is it just a little bit here and there, a.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Little bit here and there.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But I got it all around there, all around the house,
back patio and almost I mean, you think I'd spilt
the paint, but no, it's it's drops from the heavy
nap roller when I rolled it.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I'll tell you what, I'd stay away from the wire brush.
I'd stay away from the drumal tools because you're really
compromising to finish on that, opening up the pores even
more and probably you know you can grind it off.
But you're going to change the texture and everything else.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I think changed everything places where.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I tried that. Yeah, so if you want to check
it out. I mean a lot of people will carry
the like ACE hardware.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I know they have it.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
It's smart strip non Global, or go on their website
demand Global dot com. I believe is what it is
and take a look at those strippers and that might
be the best way for the surface and also for removal.
It's not like the strippers of old where you would
(05:25):
just put it on and in you know, fifteen seconds,
you can wipe it off. You put it on, you
may have to cover it, and you should just leave
it there for about two hours and then literally it's
just rints, you know, scrubbers and rints.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So even though that paint may have worked its way
down into the pool.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Yeah, I think this will work its way down also.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I do. That's why I said I would check out
their website and see if they've got you know, smaller
things of it, like a little cork tub or something
along those lines. Just check out their website because I
feel very certain it'll remove the paint.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
But I don't know. If they ask one more.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Time before we hang up what did you call that
product again? Or website one more time?
Speaker 4 (06:11):
The website is Dumont. It's d U M O N
D Global dot com Dumon.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
The name of the product, if you want to google
it is smart Strip Advanced.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Got it all right?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Thanks Gary, I appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
You're quite welcome. Thank you, Bye bye? All right.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Uh yeah, brings up an interesting point and rollers, It's
not just that the tools you use for painting really
really critically important. On your newer advanced crytics and water
based paints. Polyester brushes are outstanding, and especially for gutters.
(06:56):
I don't know if i'd use a roller a good
polyester brush, she'll do a really great job on that.
When you're painting walls xterior, I've seen it happen many times.
The texture of the surface you're painting really dictates the
size of the texture on that roller, So it comes
in the depth of the pile of the roller. It
(07:19):
starts down on like a three sixteenth of an inch
a quarter inch of three ace a half inch. For
just most smooth surfaces like drywall inside your house, three
ace of an inch is enough. You start having a
little bit of texture on some drywall a half inch.
You've got concrete block probably five ace of an inch,
but using your wrong type of tool can certainly lead
(07:43):
you down that road.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Doug, welcome, Hey.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Thanks for taking my call. Just move back from Florida.
And the house I bought has a detached garage a
single roof, has the moss build up. Is it best
to use what you forget and then crush it or
use it deck crush first.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
And well, I think I would use the wet and forget.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
I do think, depending on the thickness of the moss
dug it may take two applications. But we got all
winter to work on this, right, you know, you know,
daylight today is really perfect. You'll have minimal evaporation. You
get a hose end connector a wet and forget. You
saturate the heck out of that and forget about it.
(08:28):
I mean, don't even look at it till Christmas time
and see if it's starting to turn brown and starting
to loosen up. And if it's not, you get kind
of a cloudy forty degree day, go ahead and spray
it again.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Okay, and then if it needs it after that, deck
crush earth.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta be yes, you can deck brush it,
but you've got to be careful because if it's actually moss,
it has roots, and between a deck brush and the
roots of the moss can really pull off the protection
from the shingle, which is that granular coating. I don't
know how old that roof is. Maybe a lot of
(09:10):
that's already off. I don't know, but I would let
it do its work chemically and kind of stay as
far away from the mechanical end of thing as you can.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
All right, perfect, right, Thanks for you.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
You're quite welcome. Take care all right. Our lines are open.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So I invite you in, and then we're going to
talk a little bit about decks. What's new in decks,
what kind of surfaces can we put on decks. It's
a big investment in your home. Outdoor living is huge
right now, and so Joe Hagen, he's a local contractor.
The name of his business is all decked out. You
(09:49):
probably go and find his website and take a look
at some beautiful structures that he's built. But we'll talk
to Joe at the bottom of the hour, and you,
if you'd like to join us, do so. It's eight
hundred and eight two three eight two fivety five. You're
at Home with Gary Sullivan.
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We have John John Welcome.
Speaker 7 (13:20):
Hey Gary, this is John again from Kentucky. Yes, sir,
you and I spoke a couple of months ago about
trying to get my tub fixed with Miracle message. And
I had a chip in the American standard tub that
just kept weeping water. And we thought we sucked all
the water out of this hole. That kind of worked.
(13:44):
Water worked its way into the kind of inner linings
of the tub and they seal it over, but it
kept bubbling through. And when I called in, we were
kind of stumped on what we should do because we couldn't.
It kept weeping water, We couldn't get it all out,
came out.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Is this a steel tub, John, I mean steal with
coating or what is it?
Speaker 7 (14:07):
It's a porcelain coated I think American standard calls it
like something cast proprietary, yes, not cast iron on pursuit right, Okay,
I kept weeping and rusting, and we just you know, like,
where's this water coming from? I guess use over the
years with a small chip. So they came back out
(14:29):
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Speaker 2 (15:06):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
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going to relieve all the water pressure that built.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Up in there.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
That's that's interesting. So just to kind of recap make
sure I understand it's I'm glad they got it fixed
for you. But the chip was through like the porcelain covering,
if you will, and it went down to the dark. Yeah,
into the dark, and the water was finding its way
there and rusting. And wow, that's that's pretty good. That's
(15:39):
good that they figured that out. You'll do that double
drill when when you have fiberglass shower bases a lot
when they cracked, but I haven't heard about it on
a steel tub, to be honest with you.
Speaker 7 (15:53):
Yeah, so they did that, and of course then they
figured out what the depth of the drill bit should
be so doesn't go on all the way through. And
so yeah, success, and you know, they they've worked some
different solutions and we came up with the right one.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Very good. Well, thanks for letting us know. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Yeah, all right, thanks all right, John, thank you, And
from John we go to John John Welcome.
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(16:45):
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in there. I want to put in some some spraight
in insulation up there. Do I need to flip that
over or leave it like it is? It's craft based.
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What kind of insulation are you putting in open cell
or closed cell? Uh?
Speaker 8 (17:06):
Just the just the blown in fiberglass.
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In the ceilings, oh, in the ceiling okay. And the
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Uh no, uhh the face it's backwards. They yeah, I
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Speaker 8 (17:37):
Yes, well it's I mean, it's not nailed in or
nothing like that. It's just laid in there and it's
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I've just got the algae on my roof and it
(17:57):
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Speaker 1 (18:00):
On that, Yes, sir, yep, And you can get it
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Speaker 8 (18:09):
Okay, And we're planning on putting in a metal roof
and we got just a shingle roof now. But the house,
the main section of the house is built back in
fifty one, so we got it and they didn't brace
it quite good enough, so it's got a little bit
of a sag maybe one inch one and a half
(18:31):
inch max. I'm gonna take the old roof off, and
what do I need to put on top of there?
And I know that I need to take and put
boards in there to build it up to where it
would be level.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Well, I think you got to take it. You know
there was probably plywood used in there. You're going to
see what you got and I would replace the wood
the decking.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Maybe you need to.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Shim that or not a hard question to answer without
seeing it, but yes, you definitely want to follow the
manufacturers directions on the metal roofing, whether it can go
right on top of the decking or whether firring strips
need to be used, and then any sagging wood or
something we certainly need to be short up and probably
there's probably some water damage there and replace the dry
(19:17):
rottage wood. Hope that helps you, John, Thank you very
much for the call. Coming up next, Joe Hagen all
decked out. Hey, we're gonna talk about decks.
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Speaker 1 (22:25):
Well, thanks for joining me. We are all about your
home and improving the value of your home, taking care
of your home. And you're at home with Gary Sullivan,
and today I want to introduce you to well a
local contractor in my neck of the woods, and you
know the flagship station is Cincinnati, Ohio. His name is
(22:46):
Joe Hagen. He's president of a company called All Decked Out.
So he is our decking guru. And Joe, welcome again
that home with Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 9 (22:57):
Gary, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
You're quite welcome. So house the decking business this year.
Speaker 9 (23:05):
Decking business this year has been great at first, start
off a little bit slower, but really started kind of
really taking off as the season went on.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Boy, you said a mouthful there in our city, it
was a rainy, rainy spring. I know a lot of
painters and builders and remodelers and now deck builders. It
was a slow start, but boy, once the weather changed everything,
everything seemed to break. You know. One of the things
that's been a trend probably for ten years is outdoor living,
(23:36):
and of course, for many of us, that means a
really really nice deck. Can you just kind of give
me an overview of what's happening in the deck business
in terms of trends.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
Yeah, a lot of people these days are going for composite,
low maintenance material. They're tired of standing their deck and
replacing boards and worrying about rot. And we're also seeing
a shift in different framing options for decks, like composite framing,
steel framing, aluminum framing. So there's a lot more options
these days. But a lot of people are just seeing
(24:11):
the value and low maintenance and not having to replace,
you know, their decks in every you know, ten to
fifteen years or so.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, I think the deck has become very much a
structure of the house and people are looking at it
that way. It's it's not like something I'm gonna build
and I'm gonna forget about it, and it's just kind
of rot on the side of that house. I mean,
they want something, they want to enjoy. It's it's a
centerpiece to a house.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
If it's done right, you.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
Agree one hundred percent. It is an extension of the home,
and a lot of times it's more important than like
an indoor part of your home because if you entertain
and have people over, it's a great place to like, Hey,
let's go out to find and enjoy the outdoor space together.
That's a great it's a great feature to have add
a lot of value home. And there's a lot of
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things you can do out there, kitchens, fire pits, you know,
and that kind of things that really make it a
unique space.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Jaws over a friend's house a couple of weeks ago,
and he had built a I don't know, I don't know,
maybe there's a special name for it, but it was
covered I guess a covered deck is what it'd be called.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
And it was a composite, they don't know what kind.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
But then he had a fireplace in it and he
had a TV over the fireplace and for the dining
you took a couple of steps down there was a
lower deck and it was beautiful. I mean, the design
of this deck was great. And your business design work's
got to be a big part of your job.
Speaker 9 (25:42):
It is, and every good deck starts with a good
design obviously. You know, you want to think about you know,
a lot of planning goes into it to have a
well built deck. You know, how you're going to use
the space, You're right, I mean, if you have a
deck and you have a walkout basement, it's a great
idea to at a drainage system underneath there, to have
that deck kind of serve as a roof. It just
(26:04):
adds so much more out therealytic space up spending the
money that you would spend on like a roof structure
over it. So you actually, you know, turn that framing
into usable space below the deck and put a patio
underneath there and create a whole another space down there.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Other area, whether it's another patio area or even storage
I've seen used. But having it dries good. Yes, Yeah,
So I guess the first thing I guess people can
make mistakes is just a planning, just kind of just
thinking a square deck and whoopee, undone that would be
(26:41):
a mistake.
Speaker 9 (26:43):
Yes, I mean you want to think about where you
place the steps, you know, because you're gonna have walkway
zones where you're gonna place furniture, because you know you're
not going to place furniture right in front of a door,
right in front of walkway. So designing a deck is
very important for like traffic flow. And I've seen a
lot of decks not designed very well. And you can
pay a lot of money and have a really big
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deck built with multi levels, which looks good for pictures,
but sometimes it's not so functional. And with the cost
of materials think so high with composite. You don't want
to waste a lot of square footage due to a
bad design because you're just spending unnecessary money.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Sure, we're going to get to the decking structures in
a minute. Here.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
One of the things I get calls on a lot
of times is people have an old deck that hasn't
been maintained, or it's just getting old, or they're just
it's getting real old, staining it every year or two
and oh, I'll just put some composites on top of
this and everything will be okay. And I'm going, well,
(27:44):
hold on composites are a little more expensive than they
then you know, pressure tree wood and the installation's a
little different, and what kind of shape is you're framing?
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Do you run into those questions almost every day? Really?
Speaker 9 (28:00):
Okay, yeah, so a lot of people think, oh, my
deck's been here fifteen twenty years, the framing's good, we're
just going to we want to replace it with some
positive decking. And you know, when you remove those boards,
you're going to leave with thousands of holes in there
so water can get in there and create rocks. A
lot of times it's best to just you know, redo
the framing. If your deck's over you know, let's say
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five or ten years old, you know, you want to
make sure that that framing is going to last. You
don't want to put decking that has a fifty year
warranty on a frame that might last another ten more.
That could be a really expensive mistake. So it's always
best to have a professional out to take a look
at it. Coach change as well, you know, every few
years coach change. So it's not as easy as just
(28:42):
swapping it out, putting new deck down, because you know
you're going to see all those imperfections that might have
you might not have seen from like wood wood decking, right,
So sometimes it's better to just to start with wood woods.
You know, probably the least expensive.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Thing on a deck.
Speaker 9 (28:59):
It's like I foundation of the home, but it's the
most important part.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Plus your composites they're not all load bearing, right, whereas
pressure treated is. I mean you might have twenty inch
centered joyce and in a lot of cases can't do
that with a composite.
Speaker 9 (29:17):
Yeah, you're right, Like if it was two by six framing,
I can't put composite decking on there because our composite
decking is only spanned for sixteen inches, so it's very
important for the spanning as well. So h quite a
wavy deck.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, so the types of decking, and a lot of
people know about pressure treat wouldn't one thing they know
is there's a lot of maintenance in it. And don't
let anybody tell you there isn't a lot of maintenance.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
There is a lot of maintenance.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
We talk about it every weekend. But we're seeing a
a lot of different types of composite decking. Now we
see capped, we see non capped, we see I'm not
going to say heat proof but doesn't absorb as much heat,
so that that appeals to some people. We have some
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that have wood grains in it, some don't have wood
grains in it. Are those all based on the expense
of the deck or what should I be looking at
if I start working with a contractor even yourself.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
How do you pick the right kind of decking?
Speaker 7 (30:29):
Gary?
Speaker 9 (30:30):
That is a great question, and there are so many
different decking options on the market it can be overwhelming.
All the different manufacturers typically are going to have like
a good, better, best, But what that means is basically
price point scenario. Your higher end deck boards are going
to have more wood grains, more color variations, and then
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your lower cost boards are going to be more like
uncapped at the bottom, not fully encapsulated or less color
options more you know, less wood grain. For your lower
cost options, there's gonna be products out there that have
that's made with PVC. Your higher end ones are going
to be made with like mineral based and then you know,
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some of your middle to low cost ones are gonna
be like a wood plastic so it's basically saw dust
plastic like recycled material with a PVC coding. Those are
gonna be your more economical ones, and those do absorb heat,
and that's what you're and that's basically what you're paying for,
is the you know, the performance of it. Some of
them are gonna get hotter. Your lower cost deck boards
(31:32):
are gonna get a little bit hotter, They're going to
scuff up a little bit easier. Your higher end boards
are going to be more heat resistance, more color like
color variations in the boards. Sure, A lot of times
it comes down to what you want to spend and
kind of what your personal preferences too. If you're going
to have a roof over a deck, maybe you don't
need all the the higher end characteristics of some of
(31:53):
the more costly boards. But a lot of times it
comes down to color too.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, and positioning, right, I mean the positioning of the
deck and the initial building phase may come in with temperature.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
Absolutely, So Yeah, if you're going to have your deck
exposed a you know, direct sun all day long, going
with a wood plastic composite, it would be really hot,
to say the least in the you know, in the
evening time, where your mineral based deck boards are going
to dissipate heat a lot faster. They all get hot.
(32:30):
But the difference is with the mineral based composite deck
boards is that they dissipate heat a lot faster, so
by like six seven o'clock, it's a lot cooler, or
some of the wood plastics stay hotter for a lot longer.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Okay, So when you're you talked about the base the frame,
when you're kind of looking at that and you're talking about,
you know, a high end maybe a six figure deck,
tell me about my options. I remember when Treks rolled
(33:03):
out the first one, I think it was a steel
framing and then you said aluminum and composits on that.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Now.
Speaker 9 (33:11):
Yeah, so they have Owen's Corning makes a composite lumber.
You do have to be careful with span. It doesn't
span of stars like your steel in your wood. So
they have composite framing out now they're steel framing tracks
and fortress they have steel framing options. And then you
also have aluminum is really coming into the market now,
(33:35):
and you know, so there's some great alternative framing options
that if you don't ever want to have to deal
with rod again, you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Yeah, well I'll tell you what one thing everybody know
that has a deck, an older deck, an old you know,
press tree deck that's ten, fifteen, twenty years old.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
They don't like it. They do want to get rid
of it.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
So if I can keep you for about ten minutes more,
can we take a break, and that'd lock to come
back and let's inspect an older deck.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Things we should look for. Does that sound fair?
Speaker 9 (34:09):
Sounds fair?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
All right?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Joe Hagen, he's the president of a company called All
decked Out. He is our decking expert. We'll continue our
conversation with Joe. And you're at home with Gary Sullivan.
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continuing our conversation, Joe Hagen, he's president of All decked
Out and builds wonderful, beautiful, beautiful decks, And Joe, I'm
sure you've got a lot of pictures of the decks
you've built at your website. And is there also a
website where people can get ideas and just some information
(37:33):
and maybe you have that on your website or maybe
there's another website people can go to.
Speaker 9 (37:40):
Yeah, I definitely have a lot of pictures on our
website and our social media and to get ideas a
lot of times you can just google different pictures, they've
got to get some ideas of what you're thinking about doing.
But looking at different deck builder's website or gallery, you
can definitely get a lot of ideas and inspirations from there.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
Okay, what's your website.
Speaker 9 (38:03):
It's www dot all decked out five to one three
dot com.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Very good, so folks, you can take a look at
that all right. A lot of people with the old
decks I was telling, you know, talking about that and
old decks meaning it could be uh, any generation of
pressure treated wood from CCA to AQM.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
On and on and on and on and every now
and then in the news.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
In fact, in our city it wasn't a deck. It
was just a little balcony. You hear about the problems
where they collapse and you know, too many people on here,
or it wasn't built properly.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
And so walk me through.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
If I have an old deck on the back end
of my house, it's it's not the greatest maintained deck.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
In the world.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
And what can I do to just inspect it, just
to kind of get an idea is this thing and
I'm not talking about a collapse and though that could
be one, but is it safe? I mean there's nails,
there's split and what things is there corrosion?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
What?
Speaker 4 (39:04):
What things? And where would I inspect an old wood deck?
Speaker 9 (39:09):
Yes, And that is a very important topic. I feel like,
you know, a lot of people get a false sense
of security walking on a deck. I honestly think it's
best to hire a deck professional to come out do
an inspection, you know, after your deck's like five or
ten year like maybe like ten years old, maybe every
few years, hire a deck professional. I think the city
a lot of times does free inspections as well. You know,
(39:31):
most homeowners don't build their you know, build decks for
a living, so they don't really know what to look for.
And you know, there are resources and there are companies
out there that will inspect the deck. And I feel
like that's a very important thing to do. As far
as like what the most important features are on a deck,
I would say the attachment to the house number one,
because a lot of times we pull decks off to
(39:54):
build a brand new one and realize there's a lot
of rot going on because you know, whoever bloke the
original deck didn't install proper flashing and you know, water
is the enemy really with these products. If it starts
breaking down and rots because you need airflow too, so
it's like you have water and if it doesn't get
the proper airflow that it needs, it's going to accelerate
(40:15):
rot and that's where it can be dangerous. Hardware if
it rusts, you know, those can fail as well. So
a lot of things to look at. I'm not as concerned.
A lot of people get worried about, like their post
cracking or have a vertical cracker split. We call that checking.
I'm not as worried about that. It's actually very common
and normal. But if you see a horizontal horizontal crack,
(40:39):
that could be a load issue. So that's probably one
of the biggest things that people ask me about. You know,
is a structure okay, because they see cracks in the wood,
and you know that's normal. But you know, all in all,
I would say it's best to have a professional look
at the deck, you know, and I think many of
the cities will even do that for free.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
One question I have because I get asked the question
a lot, and you're right. I mean, a homeowner, unless
they're very trained and you're going to tackle one of
these big decks, it's no place for you if you're
going to have a little.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Deck maybe and you know what you're doing, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
How are posts treated with decks now, I mean they
in ground on above ground? I get asked that question
a bunch.
Speaker 9 (41:26):
Yeah, they put a lot of chemicals in it now
for ground contact, you know, the like the treatment goes
that goes into it's treated for ground contact. But you
still want to, you know, add extra layer of protection.
We actually use a coating around the base of it,
almost like a rubber coating. Or it's better to put
it on tier style footers where it's not really touching
(41:48):
the ground. You know, there's there's pros and cons to both,
but WOULD that you use is definitely critical as well.
Like even the framing of the decks we use, it's
rated for ground contact even though we use it above ground,
so added layer of protection.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
I tell everybody there's only one kind of pressure treated
WOULD and that's ground contact. Yeah, don't save a few dollars,
don't save a few dollars, Yeah, exactly, all right. I'm
just trying to so what's it.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
I don't want to ask what a price range is
because I'm going to guess a price range for a
deck and there's all different sizes and styles.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
It could be fifty thousand.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
It could be one hundred and fifty thousand, and you've
probably bought the build even more expensive ones.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Is that true?
Speaker 9 (42:38):
That is true?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 9 (42:40):
The price varies. I mean it really just depends on
the materials. You can do it if your budget constance,
you can do it for you know, a good value.
But it is a large investment and that's why sometimes
it is better to just leave it up to the pros,
you know, versus doing it yourself, because mistakes are very
costly if the materials is expensive.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Probably My final question to you will be when you're
looking at decking and you're talking to a contractor and
you're educating them, warranty on that decking is important. Also
people are worried about it fading, scratching, peeling, whatever.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
The case may be. What is a good warranty for
a composite decking?
Speaker 9 (43:21):
Now, yeah, most almost industry standard is going to be
twenty five years to fifty years on the warranty, and
a lot of these companies now are offering because now
they're kind of competing with each other on a warranty
would be to offer a labor warranty associated with it.
I think that's very important that you know, if you're
going to have a deck of that, and you know
(43:42):
that kind of investment, you want to make sure if
anything happens, they don't just give you out, you know,
put out new decking on your driveway and then you
have to reinstall it. A good company that really backs
their products going to pay for that to be you know, installed.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Right, and there's an element of comfort. I mean, you're
making a sizable investment in your home. You're enlarging your house.
Outdoor living is the thing, and you want it to
be there as long as you're there. So I totally
agree with you. Joe, thank you so much for joining
us today. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
It was a pleasure.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Thank you, Gary.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
All Right, it's all decked out five to one three
dot com. If you want to take a look at
some of Joe's work. He's located right in the Cincinnati
area where our flagship station is and we thank him
very very much. All Right, we'll continue with your calls.
It's eight hundred eight two three eight two five to five.
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