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Well, a good Sunday morning. Welcome aboard at Home with
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to jump on board. Love to chat with you about
your home. We've been talking a lot about just things
to do, and the other day I had somebody talking
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to me about firewood and kind of going through that
tips with you on firewood. If you have a fireplace
and you love burning wood, the only caution is, and
I hope you've done this already and if not, get
on it, and that is to have that chimney inspected
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at least every other year. And what you're looking for.
Obviously he's built up of kreosote, so you'll want to
have it cleaned. But really what I'm always concerned about,
and really what you should be concerned about, is if
the liner inside that chimney has compromised. In other words,
you're building a fire inside your house, getting that, you know,
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exhaust the fumes away from your house and not having
the heat or the flames encroach upon your house. And
that liner is what that is your one line of defense.
So they won't inspect that and make sure it's in
good shape. But our conversation that I was having with
this person was about storage of firewood. I know so
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much many of us now have of firewood in and
around our home because quite honestly, a revolution of fire pits.
I mean, there's so many homes and it's outside. And
we talked yesterday even about outdoor living fireplaces outside, fire
pits outside. But we still have a lot of people
that heat by wood and fireplaces and wood stoves inside
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our home. And where and how do you store all
that wood properly and safely. Obviously, if you've got just
a little wood, a little bundle or something, it's certainly
not something you're too worried about. And yeah, I hate
to tell you bring it inside, but a lot of
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people do. They're bringing a little tin can or something
like that. But ideally, if you're buying or you're cutting
a lot of wood and you're wanting it to dry
and keep it away from the house, that's number one.
Don't bring it into the garage. That's number two. Not
to shed either, store it outside, and don't put a
big old plastic drop cloth over it. That's not good
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because what that does is that covers it up and
then you got ground moisture. I mean you starts raining
around the area, and that moisture, you know, runs through
the water table and runs through the soil and it
create it's a humidity. And you got plastic over your firewood, Yeah,
you got it. It's kind of raining inside the greenhouse
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that you just built. So if you want to protect
firewood from moisture, you don't cover it with plastic. Now,
if you want to get a drop, you know, or
a blue tarp or something along those lines, and cover
maybe the first or the last couple stacks rows of
wood at the top, but don't go all the way
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down to the ground. Don't even go halfway. That's fine,
and that's really the way it should be. The wind,
the prevailing wind should blow through the stacked wood and
it'll help dry it out. You cover it with plastic,
it's never going to dry out. Don't put it up
against the house. You know, it's stead wood. It's going
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to attract termites, it's going to tract you know, you
get leaves stuck behind there, and you know, all of
a sudden, you got snakes and you got rodents, and
you don't want that against your house. So keeping it
away from the home, not in the garage, not in
the shed, out in the area where it can really
dry and not be any harm of your home. That
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would be the way you want to do it. And remember,
only burn hardwoods and only burn seasoned woods. Seasons means
it's been cut a year ago and properly stacked or
piled where it's breathable, and you can kind of you
can always tell whether a piece of wood is seasoned
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because if you take it and really just kind of
just drop it and on end on a piece of concrete,
fifth season, it'll have some cracks in it. Anyway, there'll
be a nice little ping to it. If it's wet,
it's going to go funk. And of course wet wood
doesn't burn hot enough, the gases don't all escape, and
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kreiso build up begins in your chimney, which can catch fire,
which can crack your liner. All right, So I hope
that helps, and I hope you have a very safe
wood burning season. We're getting near that time of year
and I'm just kind of wanting to run those things
past you. Also, as we talked, I guess last weekend
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we chatted a lot about taking a look at that kitchen.
I know the holidays are literally around the corner, and
just if you want to spruce things up, right, now
is really the time to do it. I'm talking about
cleaning the cabinets, talking about maybe resurfacing a countertop, and
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now's the time. Don't put it off, otherwise you're gonna
wait literally till next year. I'm still wrapping up projects
from the summertime too. There was a patio that has
settled in the back of my home and it's been
doing it off and on for a number of years,
and it's gotten to a point now it tilts right
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towards the house. Any sidewalk, any patio, any land tilling
towards your foundation is never a good thing because it's
literally taking the rain water and funneling it right on
your foundation. Sure, when it's the ground, it's easy, right,
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get some topsoil, build that up a little bit, get
good slope from the foundation. Slab of concrete that's a
little more challenging, or a sidewalk that runs along the
side of the garage or the side of the house
and some of the older homes, and you can still
correct it. It's just not as simple as throwing dirt
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on because it's a piece of concrete. Sometimes a decorative
piece of concrete. But on Tuesday, I'm having a company
come out. They're going to drill holes through that slab.
They're gonna pump under pressure sementatious grouting, which is going
to lift that slab and tilted away from the home,
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kind of putting in a foundation. Again, soils subtle over
time and we get a little tiny potholes sometimes sinkholes,
if you will, and by pumping that sementatious grouting beneath it,
once it fills that and you know, takes path least
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resistance just like water. It's a slurry, and eventually it'll
start lifting that pad and it is amazing when they're
on site. They can bring it right up to the
eighth of the inch, right where it's supposed to be,
right where it always has been. And now you've created
a foundation underneath that slab. So you know, most of
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those folks will cease operations once we get into temperatures
that are usually under freezing for a lot of us.
That might be like Thanksgiving some of us right now,
but that's usually when they shut down the process. So
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those are my projects. If you'd like to join us,
love to talk to you about your projects. Our phone
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All right, back here do we go? Twenty minutes after
the top of the air, talking a little home improvement
and trying to inspire us maybe to protect our homes.
Many of us starting to feel colder fall temperatures, and
you know what happens then when it gets below zero,
pipes and things can become troublesome and the water in
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them freezes sometimes if they're not properly protected. So here's
a little tip today just take away, especially if you're
new to your house, maybe not so much if you've
lived in your house in the past, may for a
lot of years, and you know where those problem areas
could be, or you've experienced them with a frozen pipe,
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and I'm sure you've addressed those issues with a pipe
insulating tube or something along the fiberglass installation something along
those lines. But if you're a new homeowner or maybe
you've just moved in in the last you know, year two,
I really take a look. Get up in that attic,
take a look and see if you can find any
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exposed copper lines. Certainly can get below freezing and cold
weather climates and get some You've seen those foam sleeves
that go right over copper lines. They work great, they're split,
they just cuff right on to the copper pipe. But
get those protected garages in older homes that go underneath
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the house. That's another area that can be troublesome. And
then as we continue to you know, get our monthly
energy bills, and I continue to get a lot of
emails and a lot of different chatter as I see
people are angry with the cost of it. I'm not
saying that's bad. I'm just saying people who have had enough.
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I mean, then I have a tendency to ask them like, well,
what are you doing about it? Have you have you
thought about that? Have you taken any action? Did you
get up in the attic. I think a few weeks
ago I mentioned getting up in the attic and just
seeing how much insulation you have up there, and I've
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gotten a few emails, gotten a few calls on that.
It's easy to figure out. Just figure out the depth
of the insallation on the floor of the attic, and
for the most part, unless it's foam, you can figure
about for every R one value is about two and
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a half inches of insulation, fiberglass batting, fiberglass blown in,
cellulose blown in. That's pretty much what you're dealing with.
Department of Energy has a map, just like a growing
map if you were planning flowers. They have zones and
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then it has the recommended our value for the Department
of Energy for you know, the entire United States. Find
where your city is, find what their zone is, and
find out what the our value recommended. Where I'm it's
R forty two. That's about what's sixteen inches of insulation
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seventeen inches somewhere in there. You go up there in
that attic and you measure seven inches, which is not
all that uncommon. U. You got to get to work, man,
you're just wasting money. You know what you could go
and buy insulation for or have somebody do it for you.
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We'll pay dividends in a pretty short period of time.
Plus your house will be less drafty, it'll be quieter,
and you'll be doing something about your energy bill. A
lot of times you move in a house and if
you've been there ten or twelve years, it seems like
you've been there forever, and you really haven't. It's ten
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or twelve years, and you probably really haven't been up
in the attic to really look what's going on. I've
seen addicts where there's actually the insulation from wind and
ventilation has actually created drifts of insulation. This's got to
be raked out more evenly, fluffed up and find out
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how deep that is. And I'd really recommend everybody do that.
If you're living in a home prior to like nineteen
seventy seven, they're very well and probably isn't any insulation
on your outside walls unless you put some there or
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the previous owner put some there. And yes, you can
have insulation installed in most cases on an exterior wall
and an older home, whether it's sighting or whether it's brick,
there's usually a pocket of air in there. You may
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not get to an R nineteen. Maybe there's just an
inch or two there, so you're gonna get maybe with foam,
you're probably about our seven per inch of thickness, So
you got something there. But the biggest thing you got
is you got the elimination of draft. And that's huge,
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especially on a very cold, windy winter day. And if
you have a newer home, build let's say build it
even nineties or early two thousands, and you know in
the nineties cellulose was that's pretty popular. Cellulose will settle
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and just taking or renting a good thermo imaging camera
and seeing the variants of colors and it'll show up
at the top third of the wall. Probably where it
is settled down. You may find out you have little
insulation there. And those companies that do foam insulation, they
can still do that cavity from the outside. Pumping that
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foam in, it'll literally fill in the void. And man,
I've been in some of the homes where there was
nothing in the walls, and when they were finished foaming it,
you could you could walk in, you could hear the difference,
you could feel the difference. And the payback on that
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and you know, with paybacks four or five years, so
the savings is definitely there. Hey, if next year is
on the project list to build a beautiful outdoor deck.
Maybe you're just tired of the old, the crepit one
that's out there. Well, Joe Hagen's going to join us.
He's going to talk about what's new in decking and
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all about your home and improving the value of your home,
taking care of your home. And you're at home with
Gary Sullivan. Then today I want to introduce you to well,
a local contractor in my neck of the woods, and
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decked Out, so he is our decking guru and Joe,
welcome again that home with Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Gary, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You're quite welcome. So how's the decking business this year?
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Decking business this year has been great. At first, start
off a little bit slower, but really started kind of
really taking off as the season went on.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Boy, you said a mouthful there in our you know city,
it was a rainy, rainy spring. I know a lot
of painters and builders and remodelers and now deck builders.
It was a slow start, but boy, once the weather
changed everything, everything seemed to break. You know. One of
the things that's been a trend probably for ten years
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is outdoor living, and of course, for many of us,
that means a really really nice deck. Can you just
kind of give me an overview of what's happening in
the deck business in terms of trends.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, a lot of people these days are going for composite,
low maintenance material. They're tired of standing their deck and
replacing boards and worrying about rot. And we're also seeing
a shift in different framing options for decks, like composit framing,
steel framing, aluminum framing. So there's a lot more options
these days. But a lot of people are just seeing
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the value and low maintenance and not having to replace
you know, their decks in every you know, ten fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Or so, Yeah, I think the deck has become very
much a structure of the house and people are looking
at it that way. It's it's not like something I'm
gonna build and I'm gonna forget about it and it's
just kind of rot on the side of that house.
I mean, they want something, they want to enjoy. It's
it's a centerpiece to a house. If it's done right,
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you agree.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
One hundred percent. It is an extension of the home,
and a lot of times it's more important than like
an indoor part of your home because if you entertain
and have people over, it's a great place to like, Hey,
let's go out to find and enjoy the outdoor space together.
That's a great it's a great feature to have add
a lot of value to your home. And there's a
lot of things you can do out there, kitchens, fire pits,
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you know, and that kind of things that really make
it a unique space.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Jaws over a friend's house a couple of weeks ago,
and he had built a I don't know, I don't know,
maybe there's a special name for but it was covered
I guess a covered deck is what it'd be called.
And it was a composite, they don't know what kind.
But then he had a fireplace in it, and he
had a TV over the fireplace and for the dining
you took a couple of steps down there was a
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lower deck and it was beautiful. I mean, the design
of this deck was great. And your business design work's
got to be a big part of your job.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
It is, And every good deck starts with a good
design obviously. You know, you want to think about you know,
a lot of planning goes into it to have a
well built deck. You know, how you're going to use
the space, You're right, I mean, if you have a
deck and you have a walkout basement, it's a great
idea to add a drainage system underneath there, to have
that deck kind of serve as a roof. It just
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adds so much more out theolytic space off spending the
money that you would spend on like a roof structure
over it. So you actually, you know, turn that framing
into usable space below the deck and put a patio
underneath there, and create a whole another space down there.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Other area, whether it's another patio area or even storage
I've seen used. But having it drives good. Yes, Yeah,
So I guess the first thing I guess people can
make mistakes is just a planning, just kind of just
thinking a square deck and whoopee, undone, that would be
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a mistake.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yes, I mean you want to think about where you
place the steps, you know, because you're gonna have walkway
zones where you're going to place furniture, because you know
you're not going to place furniture right in front of
a door right in front of walkway. So designing a
deck is very important for like traffic flow. And I've
seen a lot of decks not designed very well. And
you can pay a lot of money and have a
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really big deck built with multi levels which looks good
for pictures, but sometimes it's not so functional. And with
the cost of material things so high with composite, you
don't want to waste a lot of square footage a
bad design because you're just spend an unnecessary money.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Sure, we're going to get to the decking structures in
a minute. Here. One of the things I get calls
on a lot of times is people have an old
deck that hasn't been maintained, or it's just getting old,
or they're just it's getting real old, staining it every
year or two and oh, I'll just put some composites
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on top of this come and everything will be okay.
And I'm going, well, hold on, composites are a little
more expensive than and they then you know, pressure treated wood,
and the installation's a little different, and what kind of
shape is you're framing? Do you run into those.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Questions almost every day?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Really? Okay?
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Yeah, so a lot of people think, oh, my deck's
been here fifteen twenty years, the frame is good. We're
just gonna we want to replace it with some positive decking.
And you know, when you remove those boards, you're gonna
leave thousands of holes in there so water can get
in there and create raw. A lot of times it's
best to just you know, redo the framing. If your
deck's over you know, let's say five or ten years old,
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you know, you want to make sure that that frame
is going to last. You don't want to put decking
that has a fifty year warranty on a frame that
might last another ten more. That could be a really
expensive mistake. So it's always best to have a professional
out to take a look at it. Coach change as well,
you know, every few years coach change. So it's not
as easy as just swapping it out, putting new deck down,
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because you know you're going to see all those imperfections
that might have you might not have seen from like
wood wood decking, right, So sometimes it's better to just
to start with wood woods. You know, probably the least
expensive thing on a deck. It's like a foundation of
the home, but it's the most important part, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Plus your composites they're not all load bearing, right, whereas
pressure treated is. I mean you might have twenty inch
center joys and in a lot of cases you can't
do that with a combined.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, you're right, Like if it was two by six framing,
I can't put composite decking on there because our composite
decking is only span for sixteen inches, so it's very
important for the spanning as well. So quite a wavy deck.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, So the types of decking, and a lot of
people know about pressure treat wood, and one thing they
know is there's a lot of maintenance in it. And
don't let anybody tell you there isn't a lot of maintenance.
There is a lot of maintenance. We talk about it
every weekend. But we're seeing a lot of different types
of composite decking. Now we see capped, we see non capped,
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we see I'm not going to say heat proof but
doesn't absorb as much heat, so that that appeals to
some people. We have some that have wood grains in it,
some don't have wood grains in it. Are those all
based on the expense of the deck or what what
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should I be looking at if I start working with
a contractor even yourself. How do you pick the right
kind of decking?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Gary? That is a great question, and there's so many
different decking options on the market it can be overwhelming.
All the different manufacturers typically are going to have like
a good, better, best. But what that means is basically
price point scenario. Your higher end deck boards are going
to have more wood grains, more color variations, and then
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your lower cost boards are going to be more like
uncapped at the bottom, not fully encapsulated or less color options,
more you know, less wood grain. For your lower cost options,
there's gonna be products out there that have that's made
with PVC. Your higher end ones are going to be
made with like mineral based and then you know, some
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of your middle to lower cost ones are gonna be
like wood plastic, so it's basically salt plastic like recycled
material with a PVC coding. Those are going to be
your more economical ones, and those do absorb heat, and
that's what you're and that's basically what you're paying for,
is the you know, the performance of it. Some of
them are gonna get hotter. Your lower cost deck boards
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are gonna get a little bit hotter, They're going to
scuff up a little bit easier. Your higher end boards
are going to be more heat resistance, more color like
color variations in the boards. Sure, a lot of times
it comes down to what you want to spend and
kind of what your personal preference is too. If you're
going to have a roof over a deck, maybe you
don't need all the higher end characteristics of some of
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the more costly boards. But a lot of times it
comes down to color too.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, and positioning, right, I mean the positioning of the
deck and the initial building phase may come in with.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Temperature absolutely, So Yeah, if you're going to have your
deck exposed to you know, direct sun all day long,
going with a wood plastic composite, it would be really
uh hot, to say the least in the you know,
in the evening time, where your mineral based deck boards
are going to dissipate heat a lot faster. They all
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get hot. But the difference is with the mineral based
composite deck boards is that they dissipate heat a lot faster,
so by like six seven o'clock, it's a lot cooler,
or some of the wood plastics stay hotter for a
lot longer.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay, So when you're you talked about the base the frame,
when you're kind of looking at that and you're talking about,
you know, a high end maybe a six figure deck,
tell me about my options. I remember when Treks rolled
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out the first one, I think it was a steel
framing and then you said aluminum in composits on that. Now.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah, so they have Owen's Corning makes a composite lumber.
You do to be careful with span. It doesn't span
as stars like your steel in your wood. So they
have composite framing out now they're steel framing tracks and fortress.
They have steel framing options. And then you also have
aluminum as really coming into the market now. And you know,
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so there's some great alternative framing options that if you
don't ever want to have to deal with rod again,
you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, boy, I'll tell you what. One thing. Everybody know
that has a deck an older deck, an old you know,
press tree deck that's ten, fifteen, twenty years old. They
don't like it. They do want to get rid of it.
So if I can keep you for about ten minutes more,
can we take a break in that look to come
(33:47):
back and let's inspect an older deck. Things we should
look for. Is that sound fair? Sounds fair? All right?
Joe Hagen, he's the president of a company called all
decked Out. He is our decking expert. We'll continue our
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Well, continuing our conversation, Joe Hagen, he's president of All
Decked Out Builds, wonderful, beautiful, beautiful decks. And Joe, I'm
sure you got a lot of pictures and of the
decks you've built at your website. And is there also
a website where people can get ideas and just some
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information and maybe you have that on your website or
maybe there's another website people can go to.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Yeah, I definitely have a lot of pictures on our
website and our social media and to get ideas. A
lot of times you can just google different pictures. They're
gonna get some ideas of what you're thinking about doing.
But looking at different deck builder's website or gallery, you
can definitely get a lot of ideas and inspiration from there.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Okay, what's your website. It's www.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Dot alldecked out five to one three dot.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Com very good, So folks, you can take a look
at that, all right. A lot of people with the
old decks I was telling, you know, talking about that
and old decks, meaning it could be any generation of
pressure treated wood from CCA to AQM, on and on
and on and on and every now and then in
the news. In fact, in our city, it wasn't a deck.
(37:57):
It was just a little balcony. You hear about problems
where they collapse and you know, too many people on here,
or wasn't built properly, And so walk me through. If
I have an old deck on the back end of
my house, it's it's not the greatest maintained deck in
the world. And what can I do to just inspect
(38:19):
it just to kind of get an idea is this thing?
And I'm not talking about a collapse and though that
could be one, but is it safe? I mean there's nails,
there's splinters, and what things is there? And corrosion? What things?
And where would I inspect an old wood deck?
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Yes, And that is a very important topic. I feel like,
you know, a lot of people get a false sense
of security walking on a deck. I honestly think it's
best to hire a deck professional to come out to
an inspection, you know, after your deck's like five or ten,
maybe like ten years old, maybe every few years, hire
a deck professional. I think the city a lot of
times does free inspections as well. You know, most homeowners
(39:01):
don't build their you know, build decks for a living,
so they don't really know what to look for. And
you know, there are resources and there are companies out
there that will inspect the deck. And I feel like
that's a very important thing to do. As far as
like what the most important features are on a deck,
I would say the attachment to the house number one,
because a lot of times we pull decks off to
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build a brand new one and realize there's a lot
of rot going on because you know, whoever book the
original deck didn't install proper flashing, and you know, water
is the enemy really with these products if it starts
breaking down and rocks, because you need airflow too, So
it's like you have water and if it doesn't get
the proper airflow that it needs, it's going to accelerate
(39:43):
rot and that's where it can be dangerous. Hardware if
it rusts, you know, those can fail as well. So
a lot of things to look at. I'm not as concerned.
A lot of people get worried about, like their post
cracking or have a vertical cracker split. We call that
check and I'm not as worried about that. It's actually
very common and normal. But if you see a horizontal
(40:07):
horizontal crack, that could be a load issue. So that's
probably one of the biggest things that people ask me about,
you know, as a structure. Okay, because I see cracks
in the wood and you know that's normal, but you know,
all in all, I would say it's best to have
a professional look at the deck, you know, and I
think many of the cities will even do that for free.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
One question I have because I get asked the question
a lot, and you're right. I mean, a homeowner, unless
they're very trained and you're going to tackle one of
these big decks. It's no place for you. If you're
going to have a little deck maybe and you know
what you're doing, that's fine. How are posts treated with
decks now, I mean they in ground on above ground?
(40:53):
I get asked that question a bunch.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Yeah, they put a lot of chemicals in it now
for ground compact, you know, like the treatment goes that
goes into it's treated for ground contact. But you still
want to, you know, add extra layer protection. We actually
use a coating around the base of it, almost like
a rubber coating. Or it's better to put it on
tier style footers where it's not really touching the ground.
(41:19):
You know, there's there's pros and cons to both.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
But the wood that you use is.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Definitely critical as well. Like even the framing of the
decks we use, it's rated for ground contact, even though
we use it above ground, so added layer of protection.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I tell everybody there's only one kind of pressure treated wood,
and that's ground contact. Yeah, don't save a few dollars.
Don't save a few dollars, Yeah, exactly, all right. I'm
just trying to so what's it. I don't want to
ask what a price range is because I'm going to
(41:55):
guess a price range for a deck, and there's all
different sizes and styles. It could be fifty it could
be one hundred and fifty thousand, and you've probably bought
the build even more expensive ones. Is that true? That
is true? Yeah, yeah, I mean the price varies.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
I mean it really just depends on the materials. You
can do it if your budget conscience, so you can
do it for you know, a good value, but it
is a large investment, and that's why sometimes it is
better to just leave it up to the pros, you know,
versus doing it yourself, because mistakes are very costly if
the materials is expensive.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah. Probably my final question to you will be when
you're looking at decking and you're talking to a contractor
and you're educating them, warranty on that decking is important.
Also people are worried about it fading, scratching, peeling, whatever
the case may be. What is a good warranty for
a composite decking? Now?
Speaker 5 (42:52):
Yeah, most almost industry standards is going to be twenty
five years to fifty years on the warranty. And a
lot of these companies now are offering because now they're
kind of competing with each other on a warranty would
be to offer a labor warranty associated with it. I
think that's very important that you know, if you're going
to have a deck of that, and you know that
kind of investment, you want to make sure if anything happens,
(43:13):
they don't just give you out. You know, put out
new decking on your driveway and then you have to
reinstall it. A good company that really backs their product's
going to pay for that to be you know, installed.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Right, and there's an element of comfort. I mean, you're
making a sizeable investment in your home. You're enlarging your house.
Outdoor living is the thing, and you want it to
be there as long as you're there. So I totally
agree with you. Joe, thank you so much for joining
us today. I appreciate it. It was a pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Gary.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
All Right, it's all decked out five one three dot com.
If you want to take a look at some of
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tips with you on firewood. If you have a fireplace
and you love burning wood, the only caution is, and
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on it, and that is to have that chimney inspected
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at least every other year. And what you're looking for.
Obviously he's built up of kreosote, so you'll want to
have it cleaned. But really what I'm always concerned about,
and really what you should be concerned about, is if
the liner inside that chimney has compromised. In other words,
you're building a fire inside your house, getting that, you know,
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exhaust the fumes away from your house and not having
the heat or the flames encroach upon your house. And
that liner is what that is your one line of defense.
So they won't inspect that and make sure it's in
good shape. But our conversation that I was having with
this person was about storage of firewood. I know so
(02:37):
much many of us now have of firewood in and
around our home because quite honestly, a revolution of fire pits.
I mean, there's so many homes and it's outside. And
we talked yesterday even about outdoor living fireplaces outside, fire
pits outside. But we still have a lot of people
that heat by wood and fireplaces and wood stoves inside
(03:01):
our home. And where and how do you store all
that wood properly and safely. Obviously, if you've got just
a little wood, a little bundle or something, it's certainly
not something you're too worried about. And yeah, I hate
to tell you bring it inside, but a lot of
(03:23):
people do. They're bringing a little tin can or something
like that. But ideally, if you're buying or you're cutting
a lot of wood and you're wanting it to dry
and keep it away from the house, that's number one.
Don't bring it into the garage. That's number two. Not
to shed either, store it outside, and don't put a
big old plastic drop cloth over it. That's not good
(03:45):
because what that does is that covers it up and
then you got ground moisture. I mean you starts raining
around the area, and that moisture, you know, runs through
the water table and runs through the soil and it
create it's a humidity. And you got plastic over your firewood, Yeah,
you got it. It's kind of raining inside the greenhouse
(04:06):
that you just built. So if you want to protect
firewood from moisture, you don't cover it with plastic. Now,
if you want to get a drop, you know, or
a blue tarp or something along those lines, and cover
maybe the first or the last couple stacks rows of
wood at the top, but don't go all the way
(04:27):
down to the ground. Don't even go halfway. That's fine,
and that's really the way it should be. The wind,
the prevailing wind should blow through the stacked wood and
it'll help dry it out. You cover it with plastic,
it's never going to dry out. Don't put it up
against the house. You know, it's stead wood. It's going
(04:50):
to attract termites, it's going to tract you know, you
get leaves stuck behind there, and you know, all of
a sudden, you got snakes and you got rodents, and
you don't want that against your house. So keeping it
away from the home, not in the garage, not in
the shed, out in the area where it can really
dry and not be any harm of your home. That
(05:13):
would be the way you want to do it. And remember,
only burn hardwoods and only burn seasoned woods. Seasons means
it's been cut a year ago and properly stacked or
piled where it's breathable, and you can kind of you
can always tell whether a piece of wood is seasoned
(05:36):
because if you take it and really just kind of
just drop it and on end on a piece of concrete,
fifth season, it'll have some cracks in it. Anyway, there'll
be a nice little ping to it. If it's wet,
it's going to go funk. And of course wet wood
doesn't burn hot enough, the gases don't all escape, and
(06:00):
kreiso build up begins in your chimney, which can catch fire,
which can crack your liner. All right, So I hope
that helps, and I hope you have a very safe
wood burning season. We're getting near that time of year
and I'm just kind of wanting to run those things
past you. Also, as we talked, I guess last weekend
(06:22):
we chatted a lot about taking a look at that kitchen.
I know the holidays are literally around the corner, and
just if you want to spruce things up, right, now
is really the time to do it. I'm talking about
cleaning the cabinets, talking about maybe resurfacing a countertop, and
(06:46):
now's the time. Don't put it off, otherwise you're gonna
wait literally till next year. I'm still wrapping up projects
from the summertime too. There was a patio that has
settled in the back of my home and it's been
doing it off and on for a number of years,
and it's gotten to a point now it tilts right
(07:07):
towards the house. Any sidewalk, any patio, any land tilling
towards your foundation is never a good thing because it's
literally taking the rain water and funneling it right on
your foundation. Sure, when it's the ground, it's easy, right,
(07:28):
get some topsoil, build that up a little bit, get
good slope from the foundation. Slab of concrete that's a
little more challenging, or a sidewalk that runs along the
side of the garage or the side of the house
and some of the older homes, and you can still
correct it. It's just not as simple as throwing dirt
(07:51):
on because it's a piece of concrete. Sometimes a decorative
piece of concrete. But on Tuesday, I'm having a company
come out. They're going to drill holes through that slab.
They're gonna pump under pressure sementatious grouting, which is going
to lift that slab and tilted away from the home,
(08:14):
kind of putting in a foundation. Again, soils subtle over
time and we get a little tiny potholes sometimes sinkholes,
if you will, and by pumping that sementatious grouting beneath it,
once it fills that and you know, takes path least
(08:37):
resistance just like water. It's a slurry, and eventually it'll
start lifting that pad and it is amazing when they're
on site. They can bring it right up to the
eighth of the inch, right where it's supposed to be,
right where it always has been. And now you've created
a foundation underneath that slab. So you know, most of
(08:59):
those folks will cease operations once we get into temperatures
that are usually under freezing for a lot of us.
That might be like Thanksgiving some of us right now,
but that's usually when they shut down the process. So
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All right, back here do we go? Twenty minutes after
the top of the air, talking a little home improvement
and trying to inspire us maybe to protect our homes.
Many of us starting to feel colder fall temperatures, and
you know what happens then when it gets below zero,
pipes and things can become troublesome and the water in
(12:35):
them freezes sometimes if they're not properly protected. So here's
a little tip today just take away, especially if you're
new to your house, maybe not so much if you've
lived in your house in the past, may for a
lot of years, and you know where those problem areas
could be, or you've experienced them with a frozen pipe,
(12:59):
and I'm sure you've addressed those issues with a pipe
insulating tube or something along the fiberglass installation something along
those lines. But if you're a new homeowner or maybe
you've just moved in in the last you know, year two,
I really take a look. Get up in that attic,
take a look and see if you can find any
(13:22):
exposed copper lines. Certainly can get below freezing and cold
weather climates and get some You've seen those foam sleeves
that go right over copper lines. They work great, they're split,
they just cuff right on to the copper pipe. But
get those protected garages in older homes that go underneath
(13:45):
the house. That's another area that can be troublesome. And
then as we continue to you know, get our monthly
energy bills, and I continue to get a lot of
emails and a lot of different chatter as I see
people are angry with the cost of it. I'm not
saying that's bad. I'm just saying people who have had enough.
(14:08):
I mean, then I have a tendency to ask them like, well,
what are you doing about it? Have you have you
thought about that? Have you taken any action? Did you
get up in the attic. I think a few weeks
ago I mentioned getting up in the attic and just
seeing how much insulation you have up there, and I've
(14:31):
gotten a few emails, gotten a few calls on that.
It's easy to figure out. Just figure out the depth
of the insallation on the floor of the attic, and
for the most part, unless it's foam, you can figure
about for every R one value is about two and
(14:52):
a half inches of insulation, fiberglass batting, fiberglass blown in,
cellulose blown in. That's pretty much what you're dealing with.
Department of Energy has a map, just like a growing
map if you were planning flowers. They have zones and
(15:16):
then it has the recommended our value for the Department
of Energy for you know, the entire United States. Find
where your city is, find what their zone is, and
find out what the our value recommended. Where I'm it's
R forty two. That's about what's sixteen inches of insulation
(15:37):
seventeen inches somewhere in there. You go up there in
that attic and you measure seven inches, which is not
all that uncommon. U. You got to get to work, man,
you're just wasting money. You know what you could go
and buy insulation for or have somebody do it for you.
(16:02):
We'll pay dividends in a pretty short period of time.
Plus your house will be less drafty, it'll be quieter,
and you'll be doing something about your energy bill. A
lot of times you move in a house and if
you've been there ten or twelve years, it seems like
you've been there forever, and you really haven't. It's ten
(16:24):
or twelve years, and you probably really haven't been up
in the attic to really look what's going on. I've
seen addicts where there's actually the insulation from wind and
ventilation has actually created drifts of insulation. This's got to
be raked out more evenly, fluffed up and find out
(16:45):
how deep that is. And I'd really recommend everybody do that.
If you're living in a home prior to like nineteen
seventy seven, they're very well and probably isn't any insulation
on your outside walls unless you put some there or
(17:08):
the previous owner put some there. And yes, you can
have insulation installed in most cases on an exterior wall
and an older home, whether it's sighting or whether it's brick,
there's usually a pocket of air in there. You may
(17:29):
not get to an R nineteen. Maybe there's just an
inch or two there, so you're gonna get maybe with foam,
you're probably about our seven per inch of thickness, So
you got something there. But the biggest thing you got
is you got the elimination of draft. And that's huge,
(17:50):
especially on a very cold, windy winter day. And if
you have a newer home, build let's say build it
even nineties or early two thousands, and you know in
the nineties cellulose was that's pretty popular. Cellulose will settle
(18:13):
and just taking or renting a good thermo imaging camera
and seeing the variants of colors and it'll show up
at the top third of the wall. Probably where it
is settled down. You may find out you have little
insulation there. And those companies that do foam insulation, they
can still do that cavity from the outside. Pumping that
(18:38):
foam in, it'll literally fill in the void. And man,
I've been in some of the homes where there was
nothing in the walls, and when they were finished foaming it,
you could you could walk in, you could hear the difference,
you could feel the difference. And the payback on that
(19:00):
and you know, with paybacks four or five years, so
the savings is definitely there. Hey, if next year is
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Maybe you're just tired of the old, the crepit one
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(22:33):
decked Out, so he is our decking guru and Joe,
welcome again that home with Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Gary, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You're quite welcome. So how's the decking business this year?
Speaker 5 (22:49):
Decking business this year has been great. At first, start
off a little bit slower, but really started kind of
really taking off as the season went on.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Boy, you said a mouthful there in our you know city,
it was a rainy, rainy spring. I know a lot
of painters and builders and remodelers and now deck builders.
It was a slow start, but boy, once the weather
changed everything, everything seemed to break. You know. One of
the things that's been a trend probably for ten years
(23:19):
is outdoor living, and of course, for many of us,
that means a really really nice deck. Can you just
kind of give me an overview of what's happening in
the deck business in terms of trends.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Yeah, a lot of people these days are going for composite,
low maintenance material. They're tired of standing their deck and
replacing boards and worrying about rot. And we're also seeing
a shift in different framing options for decks, like composit framing,
steel framing, aluminum framing. So there's a lot more options
these days. But a lot of people are just seeing
(23:55):
the value and low maintenance and not having to replace
you know, their decks in every you know, ten fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Or so, Yeah, I think the deck has become very
much a structure of the house and people are looking
at it that way. It's it's not like something I'm
gonna build and I'm gonna forget about it and it's
just kind of rot on the side of that house.
I mean, they want something, they want to enjoy. It's
it's a centerpiece to a house. If it's done right,
(24:24):
you agree.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
One hundred percent. It is an extension of the home,
and a lot of times it's more important than like
an indoor part of your home because if you entertain
and have people over, it's a great place to like, Hey,
let's go out to find and enjoy the outdoor space together.
That's a great it's a great feature to have add
a lot of value to your home. And there's a
lot of things you can do out there, kitchens, fire pits,
(24:48):
you know, and that kind of things that really make
it a unique space.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Jaws over a friend's house a couple of weeks ago,
and he had built a I don't know, I don't know,
maybe there's a special name for but it was covered
I guess a covered deck is what it'd be called.
And it was a composite, they don't know what kind.
But then he had a fireplace in it, and he
had a TV over the fireplace and for the dining
you took a couple of steps down there was a
(25:13):
lower deck and it was beautiful. I mean, the design
of this deck was great. And your business design work's
got to be a big part of your job.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
It is, And every good deck starts with a good
design obviously. You know, you want to think about you know,
a lot of planning goes into it to have a
well built deck. You know, how you're going to use
the space, You're right, I mean, if you have a
deck and you have a walkout basement, it's a great
idea to add a drainage system underneath there, to have
that deck kind of serve as a roof. It just
(25:48):
adds so much more out theolytic space off spending the
money that you would spend on like a roof structure
over it. So you actually, you know, turn that framing
into usable space below the deck and put a patio
underneath there, and create a whole another space down there.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Other area, whether it's another patio area or even storage
I've seen used. But having it drives good. Yes, Yeah,
So I guess the first thing I guess people can
make mistakes is just a planning, just kind of just
thinking a square deck and whoopee, undone, that would be
(26:25):
a mistake.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yes, I mean you want to think about where you
place the steps, you know, because you're gonna have walkway
zones where you're going to place furniture, because you know
you're not going to place furniture right in front of
a door right in front of walkway. So designing a
deck is very important for like traffic flow. And I've
seen a lot of decks not designed very well. And
you can pay a lot of money and have a
(26:47):
really big deck built with multi levels which looks good
for pictures, but sometimes it's not so functional. And with
the cost of material things so high with composite, you
don't want to waste a lot of square footage a
bad design because you're just spend an unnecessary money.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Sure, we're going to get to the decking structures in
a minute. Here. One of the things I get calls
on a lot of times is people have an old
deck that hasn't been maintained, or it's just getting old,
or they're just it's getting real old, staining it every
year or two and oh, I'll just put some composites
(27:24):
on top of this come and everything will be okay.
And I'm going, well, hold on, composites are a little
more expensive than and they then you know, pressure treated wood,
and the installation's a little different, and what kind of
shape is you're framing? Do you run into those.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Questions almost every day?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Really? Okay?
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Yeah, so a lot of people think, oh, my deck's
been here fifteen twenty years, the frame is good. We're
just gonna we want to replace it with some positive decking.
And you know, when you remove those boards, you're gonna
leave thousands of holes in there so water can get
in there and create raw. A lot of times it's
best to just you know, redo the framing. If your
deck's over you know, let's say five or ten years old,
(28:07):
you know, you want to make sure that that frame
is going to last. You don't want to put decking
that has a fifty year warranty on a frame that
might last another ten more. That could be a really
expensive mistake. So it's always best to have a professional
out to take a look at it. Coach change as well,
you know, every few years coach change. So it's not
as easy as just swapping it out, putting new deck down,
(28:28):
because you know you're going to see all those imperfections
that might have you might not have seen from like
wood wood decking, right, So sometimes it's better to just
to start with wood woods. You know, probably the least
expensive thing on a deck. It's like a foundation of
the home, but it's the most important part, you know.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Plus your composites they're not all load bearing, right, whereas
pressure treated is. I mean you might have twenty inch
center joys and in a lot of cases you can't
do that with a combined.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Yeah, you're right, Like if it was two by six framing,
I can't put composite decking on there because our composite
decking is only span for sixteen inches, so it's very
important for the spanning as well. So quite a wavy deck.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, So the types of decking, and a lot of
people know about pressure treat wood, and one thing they
know is there's a lot of maintenance in it. And
don't let anybody tell you there isn't a lot of maintenance.
There is a lot of maintenance. We talk about it
every weekend. But we're seeing a lot of different types
of composite decking. Now we see capped, we see non capped,
(29:41):
we see I'm not going to say heat proof but
doesn't absorb as much heat, so that that appeals to
some people. We have some that have wood grains in it,
some don't have wood grains in it. Are those all
based on the expense of the deck or what what
(30:02):
should I be looking at if I start working with
a contractor even yourself. How do you pick the right
kind of decking?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Gary? That is a great question, and there's so many
different decking options on the market it can be overwhelming.
All the different manufacturers typically are going to have like
a good, better, best. But what that means is basically
price point scenario. Your higher end deck boards are going
to have more wood grains, more color variations, and then
(30:34):
your lower cost boards are going to be more like
uncapped at the bottom, not fully encapsulated or less color options,
more you know, less wood grain. For your lower cost options,
there's gonna be products out there that have that's made
with PVC. Your higher end ones are going to be
made with like mineral based and then you know, some
(30:55):
of your middle to lower cost ones are gonna be
like wood plastic, so it's basically salt plastic like recycled
material with a PVC coding. Those are going to be
your more economical ones, and those do absorb heat, and
that's what you're and that's basically what you're paying for,
is the you know, the performance of it. Some of
them are gonna get hotter. Your lower cost deck boards
(31:16):
are gonna get a little bit hotter, They're going to
scuff up a little bit easier. Your higher end boards
are going to be more heat resistance, more color like
color variations in the boards. Sure, a lot of times
it comes down to what you want to spend and
kind of what your personal preference is too. If you're
going to have a roof over a deck, maybe you
don't need all the higher end characteristics of some of
(31:37):
the more costly boards. But a lot of times it
comes down to color too.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, and positioning, right, I mean the positioning of the
deck and the initial building phase may come in with.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Temperature absolutely, So Yeah, if you're going to have your
deck exposed to you know, direct sun all day long,
going with a wood plastic composite, it would be really
uh hot, to say the least in the you know,
in the evening time, where your mineral based deck boards
are going to dissipate heat a lot faster. They all
(32:14):
get hot. But the difference is with the mineral based
composite deck boards is that they dissipate heat a lot faster,
so by like six seven o'clock, it's a lot cooler,
or some of the wood plastics stay hotter for a
lot longer.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Okay, So when you're you talked about the base the frame,
when you're kind of looking at that and you're talking about,
you know, a high end maybe a six figure deck,
tell me about my options. I remember when Treks rolled
(32:48):
out the first one, I think it was a steel
framing and then you said aluminum in composits on that. Now.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah, so they have Owen's Corning makes a composite lumber.
You do to be careful with span. It doesn't span
as stars like your steel in your wood. So they
have composite framing out now they're steel framing tracks and fortress.
They have steel framing options. And then you also have
aluminum as really coming into the market now. And you know,
(33:20):
so there's some great alternative framing options that if you
don't ever want to have to deal with rod again,
you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, boy, I'll tell you what. One thing. Everybody know
that has a deck an older deck, an old you know,
press tree deck that's ten, fifteen, twenty years old. They
don't like it. They do want to get rid of it.
So if I can keep you for about ten minutes more,
can we take a break in that look to come
(33:47):
back and let's inspect an older deck. Things we should
look for. Is that sound fair? Sounds fair? All right?
Joe Hagen, he's the president of a company called all
decked Out. He is our decking expert. We'll continue our
conversation with Joe. And you're at home with Gary Sullivan.
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Speaker 1 (36:40):
Well, continuing our conversation, Joe Hagen, he's president of All
Decked Out Builds, wonderful, beautiful, beautiful decks. And Joe, I'm
sure you got a lot of pictures and of the
decks you've built at your website. And is there also
a website where people can get ideas and just some
(37:01):
information and maybe you have that on your website or
maybe there's another website people can go to.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Yeah, I definitely have a lot of pictures on our
website and our social media and to get ideas. A
lot of times you can just google different pictures. They're
gonna get some ideas of what you're thinking about doing.
But looking at different deck builder's website or gallery, you
can definitely get a lot of ideas and inspiration from there.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Okay, what's your website. It's www.
Speaker 5 (37:33):
Dot alldecked out five to one three dot.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Com very good, So folks, you can take a look
at that, all right. A lot of people with the
old decks I was telling, you know, talking about that
and old decks, meaning it could be any generation of
pressure treated wood from CCA to AQM, on and on
and on and on and every now and then in
the news. In fact, in our city, it wasn't a deck.
(37:57):
It was just a little balcony. You hear about problems
where they collapse and you know, too many people on here,
or wasn't built properly, And so walk me through. If
I have an old deck on the back end of
my house, it's it's not the greatest maintained deck in
the world. And what can I do to just inspect
(38:19):
it just to kind of get an idea is this thing?
And I'm not talking about a collapse and though that
could be one, but is it safe? I mean there's nails,
there's splinters, and what things is there? And corrosion? What things?
And where would I inspect an old wood deck?
Speaker 5 (38:38):
Yes, And that is a very important topic. I feel like,
you know, a lot of people get a false sense
of security walking on a deck. I honestly think it's
best to hire a deck professional to come out to
an inspection, you know, after your deck's like five or ten,
maybe like ten years old, maybe every few years, hire
a deck professional. I think the city a lot of
times does free inspections as well. You know, most homeowners
(39:01):
don't build their you know, build decks for a living,
so they don't really know what to look for. And
you know, there are resources and there are companies out
there that will inspect the deck. And I feel like
that's a very important thing to do. As far as
like what the most important features are on a deck,
I would say the attachment to the house number one,
because a lot of times we pull decks off to
(39:22):
build a brand new one and realize there's a lot
of rot going on because you know, whoever book the
original deck didn't install proper flashing, and you know, water
is the enemy really with these products if it starts
breaking down and rocks, because you need airflow too, So
it's like you have water and if it doesn't get
the proper airflow that it needs, it's going to accelerate
(39:43):
rot and that's where it can be dangerous. Hardware if
it rusts, you know, those can fail as well. So
a lot of things to look at. I'm not as concerned.
A lot of people get worried about, like their post
cracking or have a vertical cracker split. We call that
check and I'm not as worried about that. It's actually
very common and normal. But if you see a horizontal
(40:07):
horizontal crack, that could be a load issue. So that's
probably one of the biggest things that people ask me about,
you know, as a structure. Okay, because I see cracks
in the wood and you know that's normal, but you know,
all in all, I would say it's best to have
a professional look at the deck, you know, and I
think many of the cities will even do that for free.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
One question I have because I get asked the question
a lot, and you're right. I mean, a homeowner, unless
they're very trained and you're going to tackle one of
these big decks. It's no place for you. If you're
going to have a little deck maybe and you know
what you're doing, that's fine. How are posts treated with
decks now, I mean they in ground on above ground?
(40:53):
I get asked that question a bunch.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Yeah, they put a lot of chemicals in it now
for ground compact, you know, like the treatment goes that
goes into it's treated for ground contact. But you still
want to, you know, add extra layer protection. We actually
use a coating around the base of it, almost like
a rubber coating. Or it's better to put it on
tier style footers where it's not really touching the ground.
(41:19):
You know, there's there's pros and cons to both.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
But the wood that you use is.
Speaker 5 (41:24):
Definitely critical as well. Like even the framing of the
decks we use, it's rated for ground contact, even though
we use it above ground, so added layer of protection.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I tell everybody there's only one kind of pressure treated wood,
and that's ground contact. Yeah, don't save a few dollars.
Don't save a few dollars, Yeah, exactly, all right. I'm
just trying to so what's it. I don't want to
ask what a price range is because I'm going to
(41:55):
guess a price range for a deck, and there's all
different sizes and styles. It could be fifty it could
be one hundred and fifty thousand, and you've probably bought
the build even more expensive ones. Is that true? That
is true? Yeah, yeah, I mean the price varies.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
I mean it really just depends on the materials. You
can do it if your budget conscience, so you can
do it for you know, a good value, but it
is a large investment, and that's why sometimes it is
better to just leave it up to the pros, you know,
versus doing it yourself, because mistakes are very costly if
the materials is expensive.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah. Probably my final question to you will be when
you're looking at decking and you're talking to a contractor
and you're educating them, warranty on that decking is important.
Also people are worried about it fading, scratching, peeling, whatever
the case may be. What is a good warranty for
a composite decking? Now?
Speaker 5 (42:52):
Yeah, most almost industry standards is going to be twenty
five years to fifty years on the warranty. And a
lot of these companies now are offering because now they're
kind of competing with each other on a warranty would
be to offer a labor warranty associated with it. I
think that's very important that you know, if you're going
to have a deck of that, and you know that
kind of investment, you want to make sure if anything happens,
(43:13):
they don't just give you out. You know, put out
new decking on your driveway and then you have to
reinstall it. A good company that really backs their product's
going to pay for that to be you know, installed.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Right, and there's an element of comfort. I mean, you're
making a sizeable investment in your home. You're enlarging your house.
Outdoor living is the thing, and you want it to
be there as long as you're there. So I totally
agree with you. Joe, thank you so much for joining
us today. I appreciate it. It was a pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Gary.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
All Right, it's all decked out five one three dot com.
If you want to take a look at some of
Joe's work. He's located right in the Cincinnati area where
our flightship station is and we thank him very very much.
All Right, we'll continue.
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