December 21, 2025 • 44 mins
In this hour of At Home with Gary Sullivan, Gary dives into home improvement topics with a caller discussing voles and moles in the yard. He also chats with Todd Miller, a metal roofing expert, about the benefits of metal roofing, including its durability and energy efficiency. They discuss how metal roofing can save homeowners money on insurance and energy bills, and how it's becoming a popular choice for those looking to replace traditional asphalt shingles. Gary also shares tips on how to properly install a metal roof and what to look for when choosing a metal roofing contractor.
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Speaker 1 (00:30):
All right, two weekends upon us. Welcome at home with
Garrie Sullivan. Thanks for joining me, and a lot going on,
and we're also going to talk a little bit about
metal roofs at the bottom of the arm. In the meantime,
happy to take your call regarding your home projects. In
the meantime, let's get to Sylvia. Sylvia. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh my goodness, thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yes, sir, Well, my husband and I were wondering we've
got a couple of issues here. We have a storm
door that has I guess separated from the piano hinges,
and we were wondering if you could recommend someone in
our area to come out and take a look at it.
We're in Westchester, Ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Oh, I think a handyman. I don't think there's anybody
that's going to be, you know, really focused in on
just doing that repair. Is so the hinge itself is
are there screws holding like a piano hinge on it?
Or how's it? Where's it failing? I guess is what
I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I guess. I'll be honest, I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I guess at the frame, Okay, A lot of handyman,
I mean, I can't visualize it, but I know what
you're talking about, and you know, I mean it's not
going to be a door company or anything like that
that's going to make that repair. Sylvia. I'd go down.
You know, you can get on Angie's list, find a
handy man. You can go down to your local Ace
(01:55):
hardware store. They probably have a list of handy men
there and you know, contact one of them and see
if they can take a look at it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, that'd be great, thank you. Then the other thing
is we we have.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Voles v O L E s.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's just so aggravating. I mean, the backyard is a mess,
and now they've gone to the side yard and now
the front yard. Is there any kind of company or
anyone that would.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Eradicate Yeah, certainly. The people that can take care of
the voles are pretty much the same people that can
take care of moles. You know, vole is smaller. Uh,
But the best way to get rid of them is
still the trapping the same way they do with moles,
you know, with a scissor trap or a harpoon tap
(02:48):
and find the main runway. So people that do that
would be people that get ridd of moles. They can
also get rid of voles also, like you know Pest
Control company, a lot of them will also do that
kind of work. They'll trap mice, they'll trap moles, they'll
drop voles calling around like and you know, a one
(03:10):
test control see if they do that type of work.
But that's who's going to work on that. And they're tough,
little you know, you gotta chase them around for a while,
but you know they're tough, and you're right, they just
they just they tear up yard, no question about that.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
They really do. And I'm worried about my husband getting
out there, maybe twisting an ankle or something, because it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Usually somebody that will trap it that knows what they're doing.
The whole thing is to find which tunnels are active
because they change. And once you find them the active
tunnels and then start trapping them, you know, they'll get
them in you know, a few days, you know, one
to three days probably, it's pretty normal, I think. Do
(03:55):
you live near woods, yes, yeah, see, that's that's the
that's the issue you too, Sylvia. As some of their
tunnels go into the woods, so they're all connected, right,
and they're you know, they're feeding tunnels and different things
like that. So sometimes you get rid of them and
they also come back. So I will get somebody. If
(04:16):
you're looking for somebody to eradicate that, it's something you're
probably gonna work with them for a while. You know,
they'll get them, they'll get them trapped, they'll get some
out of there, and then some more return and eventually, uh,
eventually you're eradicate them.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think. Okay, oh gosh, good to know. Well, I
certainly appreciate it. Thank you very much for the information,
and quite well, have your show.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Thank you. I have a great Christmas. Appreciate it all right.
Uh it's eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
That is our phone number. And uh, you know, if
that's something you want to do yourself, you just got
to be you know, getting rid of moles or voles.
You kind of get rid of them the same way.
I wouldn't really recommend using poisons or anything like that.
(05:00):
We're just randomly digging, get those traps, find the main runway,
which is usually man you know, fairly straight, and we'll
say that step on it, flatten it, come back in
about a day and see if it's raised again. If
it's raised again, it's active, and then set that trap
(05:22):
exactly in that tunnel. Wear gloves too. You want to
reduce the you know, human scent. Check the traps daily
and see how you're doing. It's like gold fishing. All right,
we'll go to Pat Pat Welcome.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Hey, good morning, Dary.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Hope you're doing.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, doing fine, Sarah, thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
The previous lady about no no handyman type and services. Yes,
one thing I would highly recommend is go to whatever
in person. Do not trying to get anything over the phone, right,
because they won't give it to you.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Oh well, no, yeah, they gotta. Just like when she's
talking about that type of hinge, a lot of different
types of hinges on storm doors. I think I visualize it,
but I don't know what the problem is. I don't
know what the hinges are. You're right, you got to
have them take a look at it to get a
fair estimate. Somebody may look at that and just say
you need a new storm door.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
No, no, no, no. Where I'm going with this is
they're not because they don't know. If they're like, you're
a competitor to someone else calling up and saying, okay,
who's a good contractor.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh yeah, but if you go to a hardware store,
they always have active list of different contractors.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, and say, okay, this is what I need. Don
who is good? And you've got to do it in first,
and you can't get it down over the phone.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, okay, so when you're going to the store. But yeah,
I was in the hardware business for many years, and boy,
we knew who the good ones were because they shopped
and bought stuff, and you know, we get feedback and
we'd always have a list of you know, at least
five or ten of them, and we would give them out,
you know, you know, on a regular basis. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Hey, one other tip, you know, and I've already done this,
removed these from the spickett.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, good, and you did.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
And one thing though, is, you know my outdoor spicket
goes under and completely unheated outdoor porch. Okay, and there's
a water shut off valve inside the heated portion.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Of the house.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yepah, get that shut off, don't you.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah. So just because you shut it off at the
faucet doesn't mean you're good to go.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Well, yeah, especially in your situation too. I mean, I
I use the analogy a lot of times of a
regular lawn faucet, which is just copper line right up
to that faucet. I mean you have to shut that
off on the inside of the house. And then there's
the frost proof. But as I've said many times, that
pipe is eight ten or twelve inches long, and so
(08:18):
is that stem. But if that's not going to get
you to the heated portion of the house, you know,
it doesn't matter whether it's a lawn faucet or a
frostproof faucet, you're going to have a problem because the
line that's feeding the frostproof faucet, you know, has to
be drained. So you're you're exactly correct.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, mine has a drain valves. So I got
a five gallon docket. I can you know and do it?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So I've already done it very good. Well, thank you
much for the tips. I appreciate it. I hope you
have a wonderful holiday, and if you'd like to join us,
do so. It's eight hundred and eighty two eight two
five five and again on his indoor faucets. In all honesty,
it never hurts if you've got I don't care what
kind of valve you've got that's going outside. If you
(09:11):
can follow that into the house and you find that
shut off valve that's going to that um, there's a
little cap on there, a little bleeder cap. You shut
that off. Use that bleeder cap, bleed that water out
of there, disconnect the hose on the outside. You're good.
You're golden. You're golden. So make sure you do that.
(09:32):
If you haven't already done so, if you haven't done
it where I live, you've already got a problem. I'm
pretty sure. All right, let's take a little break, Candice,
you'll be up first. We'll continue. You're at home with
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free to jump on board. By the way, A quick
little tip here. I'm always talking about those drains, the
kitchen drain, the bathroom drain, and I guess one of
the ones that gets a little slow running a lot
of times is the vanity drain. I'm always talking about
(12:45):
the zip it strip, you know, with the little cleats.
There's a new one out there. I saw it in
the hardware store just the other day. Pretty cool. I
like it looks a little bit easier to use. It's
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two three A two five five Candice, Welcome, Hi, How
are you doing doing fine? Thank you.
Speaker 7 (13:27):
I have a solution for the moles.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay, well these are voles, right.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
M O.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
L e s. Yeah, Well she had voles, but they're
kind of the same.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Okay. What I have is a windmill that is attached
to at least it's twelve feet long, and you install
the pole into the ground three to four feet deep,
and then when the will windmill turns, it takes the
pole and it shakes the ground and that runs them away.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah. I have seen those. In fact, I've even seen
smaller ones. I think a little bit of it depends
on the type of soil too. If you've got a
softer soil, a sandy soil, it's probably going to work
a little bit better than a real hard clay soil.
Is the pole the one on the one you're talking about,
Is that a steel pole?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Okay? And how far do you sinking into the ground?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
At least three feet?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So how do you sink that in? Is I mean,
do you dig a hole or how do you do that?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Well?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah, you dig a hole and then you get on
the ladder and you.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Pound it in driving in Okay. I just wanted to
get the picture. Yeah, And you've had good luck with
getting ridal moles with that, and I agree. I mean,
there's a boy. I'll tell you what. I been almost
doing a show for almost forty years, and there are
are all kinds of different remedies to get rid of moles.
And I've heard that, I've seen that. I haven't done that,
(15:09):
but there's a lot of different solutions. And it's really
interesting because sometimes you know, they work great. Sometimes I
found they don't work that well. And I'm not talking
about yours, but I'm talking about chewing gum. I'm talking
about there's you know, all kinds of different. You go
through the hardware story, you probably find ten fifteen different
(15:29):
things to get rid of moles, and like I said,
voles are kind of the same, but they are different.
I've even sonic noises that you can put in there.
But I appreciate that tip. I used to see. This
is probably thirty years ago, Candice. They used to have
little ones with a metal not really a pole, like
(15:54):
a metal dal and it was a little plastic windmill
that looked like a sun flower, and they were all
the rage for a while, and I don't even see
them anymore, so maybe that wasn't long lasting. But the
only sure fire away I know, and certainly folks you
can try that if you have that problem. But the
only surefire away that I know to really get them
(16:17):
under control is to trap them. I've been one of
those folks that have tried many different things, sometimes very successfully,
and then the next time I have the problem not
so successfully. And I still have told the story many times.
(16:39):
But you see a problem, it's the mole or the vole,
and you start using the trap, and they're sneaky little
devils and a lot of times you pull in the
driveway and you see that tunnel moving and you get
out of a spade, and well that'll take care of
them real fast. But you got to see that tunnel moving,
(17:00):
you can see where they are under there. I mean,
you know, it just takes a you have to get
a little aggressive with them. But there are a lot
of different and I don't discourage you from trying it
because they're very frustrating. And some of them, like I said,
some of them will work, and some of them that
(17:23):
you swear on will work, they'll quit working. So just
kind of pass that along. But this lady had voles.
Here's another another little tip for you. If you're hanging
up a maybe a shower rod, maybe a safety bar
and a beathtub area with a ceramic tile on there,
(17:45):
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to really mount one up where you're just not going
to have problems, and you're going to go through the
ceramic tile, through the green border whatever's on the other side,
and you're gonna use a plastic anchor or something, or
(18:08):
you're gonna hit the stud whatever. The hard part will
be getting through the ceramic tile and you may be thinking, well,
you just use a masonry bit. You can, but there
are bits strictly for ceramic tile. And if you get
one of those and you have a variable speed you know,
drill battery or electric, and you get a ceramic bit,
(18:32):
that's the key boy. It'll bite right onto that ceramic
towel once you scratch that glazing a little bit, and
it'll be like a knife going through a hot knife
going through butter. It really will. So there are specific
drill bits for a lot of different things, but they
have a ceramic tile drill bit, which I think is fantastic.
(18:54):
I wouldn't even mess around with a masonry bit. You'll
be there for a while with that, but not with
that seramic tawbidd, It'll cut right through it. So I
wanted to pass that alone. All right. Our phone number
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got a lot to discuss today. We've been talking a
lot about roofs and it seems like they're always talked about,
and it's about asphalt shingles, and so I thought i'd
reach out to my friend Todd Miller. He is with
Classic Metal Roofing and kind of see where the metal
roofing industry is these days. I would assume it's growing,
especially with some of the natural disasters that have taken place,
(22:43):
and I think, quite honestly, some of the not so
good press that asphalt shingles are getting. So Todd Miller,
welcome that home with Gary Salvn. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I'm doing fantastic. Thank you so much for having me today,
Garrett Pleasure.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
You're quite welcome. What is the metal roofing industry going?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know, we continue to grow, and you hit on
something important there. A lot of times the natural disasters
kind of point people toward, hey, there has to be
a better way to roof my home. And a few
years ago when several hurricanes hit Florida, we saw that
happen in Florida and Florida very much has turned toward
metal in recent years. And now the big thing is
(23:25):
the horribly tragic fires out in southern California just about
a year ago. As people are starting to think about
rebuilding and even remodeling if they did survive the fires
without devastation, we are seeing a lot of heads and
thoughts turning toward metal roofing in southern California right now.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, what kind of propped in my call to you
is well, two things happened. Number One, I saw report
where they were testing s phalt shingles on hell damage
and across the board. I'm gonna screw this up a
Criterias and nobody ended up with a classification of as excellent.
(24:13):
So that was a little concerning. I know, the shingles
have gotten a little thinner. I know algae has become
you know, unsightly on shingles that are over ten years old.
What else is going on? Insurance companies they want to
pro rate roofs asphalt shingles. I don't know how that
applies to MET And I thought, after I heard all
(24:34):
of that, I said, you know what, we got to
talk to Todd about metal roofing because you think metal roofing,
and uh, quite honestly, everybody thinks, oh, when it rains,
it's going to be loud, and how's that do with hail?
So why don't you give me the benefits of metal roofing?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Todd Sure, And you know you touched on the insurance
industry there, and absolutely insurance is trying figure out how
they can quit having to buy new people new.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Roosts every year.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
The insurance industry and many of these hail prone areas
is extremely upside down, and so they've been looking at
a number of options reducing coverage. In fact, probably a
lot of your listeners have gotten letters from their insurance
companies that referenced rooft damages in hail, and most of
those letters are hard to even understand. But the point
(25:26):
is they're trying to figure out how to not have
to keep replacing roosts due to hail damage. And you know,
I think one of the keys that is a big
benefit of metal roofing is that it doesn't lose its resiliency,
It doesn't lose its strength, that it doesn't have all
these oils in it that evaporate and dry out, so
that it becomes weaker with age. A metal roof will
(25:49):
resist hail, it will be just as resilient and high winds,
just as fire resistant in thirty forty fifty years as
it is when it's first installed. You look at most
other roofing materials, and you know, including asphalt shingles, including
wood shingles that used to be used a lot in
grouning tile. There are some newer polymer products on the market.
(26:11):
We're not quite sure how those are going to fair,
but you know, most of those products tend to lose
a lot of that strength and resiliency as they age,
and that just isn't the case with metal. So for
that reason, insurance companies like metal in a lot of
respects and in many cases where they have started to regulate, hey,
we won't ensure anybody with the roof over fifteen years old.
(26:34):
In most cases that those homeowners dig a little bit,
they will find that there are there is a pathway
for getting their roof in or their home insured if
it has a metal roof on it, despite that metal
roof maybe being fifteen, twenty five, thirty five years old.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Not that money is the only concern, but in terms
of metal roofing that's going to last. I think to
warrant you bod fifty years or something.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I mean, you're pretty common forty to fifty years, sometimes
lifetime for the initial owner.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah. How's the insurance treat DOZ? I mean, is there
a discount to the homeowner in terms of insurance if
you have a metal roof.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So it's kind of a double edged sword for the
insurance industry. They realize that metal roosts are very resilient,
very long lasting, but they also know if there's some
sort of disaster that does destroy that roof, they're going
to have a fairly expensive plane because metal roofs do
have a higher upfront cost. So what we have seen
is they will offer discounts in some areas of the country,
(27:44):
especially in hail prone areas of the country, they will
offer a discount for metal roofing. We've also seen in
some cases a homeowner might be paying extra on their
insurance if they have, say a wood roof due to
the fire hazard, or if they have an older asshole roof.
They may still be being insured but simply be paying
(28:05):
more because of it. So if you replace with a
metal roof, make sure you go back to your insurance,
got me and find out if you've been paying anything
extra for that old roof that can now go away
now that you have a new roof.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, we had Beth Harper and she's an insurance broker
out of Cleveland. We had her on last week and
we've had different discussions. I knew there's big changes, you know,
with insurance and roofing, and we were talking about a
lot of those things. But I think metal roofing brings
so much more to the table than just the insurance.
And one of his energy savings. A lot of people
(28:38):
don't look at a roof as an energy saving product,
but a metal roofing can save you energy in.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Particular during the summer. That is correct. So today's metal roofs,
sometimes with the coatings on them, sometimes just because of
the design of the product. They're designed to keep heat
out of the attic and to be reflective of radiant heat.
And what we will often hear from homeowners is they
will see summertime energy savings of around twenty percent due
(29:09):
to reduced air conditioning needs. And so yeah, that's pretty significant.
And you know, there again, that isn't something that you
just get for the first couple of years and it diminishes.
You know, it's there for the life of the roof.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
How about the look of a metal roof. I'm sure
there's people listening as conversation going like, yeah, but I
don't want my house to look like a mar and
that's so far from the truth. Well, I got a
niche down in Louisville, Kentucky, and driving through down in
that area, there's a lot of metal roofs and beautiful
homes with beautiful metal roofs, and there is a there's
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quite a distinctive look on a metal roof if you
want it. Kind of talk about the appearance.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Well, there absolutely is. There's a great variety of looks.
You can have that traditional vertical seam root look if
you want that, and you know, in particular on some
homes colonials or some ultra contemporary homes, that vertical seam
look looks really nice. However, there are also a number
of companies, including ours, that manufacture a wide variety of
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metal shingles, so you can actually have a metal roof
that looks like traditional asshole shingles or maybe looks like
a high end slate roof or a barrel tile roof
or a wood shake roof. You can have the benefits
of metal with something that doesn't look like metal at all.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Is there an I mean, do most roofers do metal
roofing or is it kind of a Nietzsche group of
folks that do the installation on metal roofing And how
do we find those folks? Sure?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
So, our industry has worked very hard to train new
installers out there, and so yes, most metal roof or
most riffing contractors will offer metal roofs, and a lot
of times they will subcontract that labor out not to
their typical asphalt crew, but to a metal specialist crew.
One of the things I really suggest people do, though, is,
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you know, do some research online, look at the metal
roofs that you like, find some products you like, go
back to those manufacturers and say, hey, I like your product.
Who in my area is experienced installing this product? And
let the manufacturer who you know, they know who their
customers are, and they know who does things right and
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who maybe doesn't do things right. Let them refer you
to somebody who's experienced with their product.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Todd, when you just mentioned something that didn't even really
think of to even ask. But when you're looking for
a metal roof, you say different manufacturers and stuff, and
of course not all manufacturers are the same kind as
you stated. For as a consumer, what kind of things
are you asking or looking for in a metal roof?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
You know, I think aesthetics and warranty are a big one.
You know, I think looking at the type of coating
that's on the roof. So for many years, the really
the well most respected coating on metal roofing has been
a paint finish called kin er as a trade name
or it's PVDF polyvanildine fluoride, and the polyvaneldine fluoride is
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an extremely robust finish that's well known for its fade
and chalk resistance. So I would certainly look into seeing
what the coating is on it, what the life expectancy,
what the fade and chalk resistance is of that coating. Yes,
you're right, there's a lot of manufacturers out there, and
you know, there are a few folks who are sort
of putting themselves out there as manufacturers, but they are
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buying all shore products and bringing it in. You'll know
who the warranty is coming from. I know exactly what
theroduct warranty covers and know who stands behind that warranty.
And of course when you buy a roof, you're probably
going to get two warranties. You're going to get a
product warranty from the manufacturer. You're going to get an
installation workmanship warranty from the contractor. You certainly want to
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understand both of those and know who is behind both
of theirs.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So the warranties, is it safe to say they're almost
double of a asphalt roof, I mean, is a just
being very general?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
You know, any warranty, of course you always want to
look at the fine print, right and there are certainly
ways to create warranties out there that have so many
exclusions in them that they look better than they really are.
But typically with a residential metal roof, we're seeing on
product warranty most manufacturers offering a lifetime warranty for the
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life of the initial property owner, and then usually it
transfers to a forty or fifty year warranty after or
when the house is sold. A couple of things to
look at are how many times will that warranty transfer?
We'll just transfer one then never again, we'll transfer multiple
times during the forty or fifty years, and then look
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at the pro ration of that warranty. Two, some roofing
warranties of all products pro rate down pretty heavily, whereas say,
maybe by year five, the coverage is only fifty percent
of the value of the roof. And you know that
is all based on the fact that you did get
some value and some use out of that product. But
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there are warranties out there that do not pro rate
at all, and so you want to make sure you
understand again exactly what that warranty covers, what its limitations are,
how transferable it is, and whether it pro rates or not.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Certainly a metal roof is going to cost more upfront.
You had said that maybe it's a couple times. I
don't know. It's a roof that you're going to have
for the rest of your life, that's for sure. Is
there any text credit in metal roofing?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So there was a federal tax credit for a number
of years, and that did go away at the end
of twenty twenty two. What we do see is some
local utility incentives. The state of Michigan has had a
program that would help homeowners get lower interest rates for
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buying energy efficient products, So there are some state and
local incentives out there. Usually, once you get to the
point of talking to a contractor, they're probably going to
know what incentives are available in your area.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Excellent, Todd. Thank you so much for join us. We're
going to do this again. I think Metal Roofing is
going to see a little bit of an explosion here.
I really I just feelt my bones and you're my
go to guy. How do people get a hold of
you or your website? How do we get things started?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
So my company corporate name is Isaiah Industry is good
Isaiah Industries dot com. They can also go to classicroof
dot com. Or I have an educational website at ask
Toddmiller dot com and folks can reach me through that
Todd at ask Toddmiller dot com. And I've got lots
of questions on that website and things I've answered and
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things I've helped folks with over the years.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Wonderful. Thank you so much for joining us. You guys
have a blessed Christmas and a happy New Year.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
You too.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Thank you so much, Gary taking you.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Bet you Thanks all right, Todd Miller. I'll tell you
what he is. The man. He is the man I
go to for my information on metal roofing. I hope
he certainly has a great holiday, and we thank him
for joining us. All Right, we'll take a little break.
We got Beth coming up first. If you'd like to
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we do thank Todd for joining us. A lot good
information there and our phone number if you'd like to
join us too, So it's eight hundred A two three
A two five five Greg Welcome.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Thank you, sir, appreciate this taking the call. Roof question.
My mother uh lives in northern Tennessee almost to Kentucky
and she needs a new roof and we were looking
at getting a metal roof for she's had shingle her
whole life. And mister Todd had mentioned, you know, going
online doing your research. Everything I read had said, you
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want to get at least a twenty six gauge roof.
She's gotten three or four quotes up there, and everybody
that she gets the quote from says we put the
roof over the shingles. One guy says they put a
Thermaguard insulation and vapor barrier between them. But they all
(40:28):
use twenty nine. And I was just wondering if that's
good enough.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Well, I'll tell you what that would be better. And
I don't know, you know, not to speak for Todd
or anything. When he was saying about twenty six, I
think the reference was being made to at least get
a twenty six gauge. Okay, but that twenty nine. I
don't know that that's actually that'd be a little thicker, right.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
No, so' that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
At first, I'm thinking that's gonna be thicker. I'm thinking, no,
that's gonna be thinner.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
It's like a shotgun gage.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, right, I'm back. I'm back, I'm back in orbit. Yeah.
I don't know that. To be honest, I really don't know.
I think I would go to s Toddmiller dot com
and ask that question again. Yeah, yeah, I don't you know,
there's also when you're talking metal roofing too. I don't
(41:30):
think we made the delineation from a steel metal roofing
to an aluminum metal roofing. I know he's talking about steel.
I don't know if that comes into play with a
gauge or not.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Well, I mean that in his in Marl's part of
the country, they look at the weight of snow, you.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Know, right, well yeah, every decade, sure, sure, but.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
She gets it all the time. So I didn't know
if maybe they were doing that because of the snow
weight would make it a little wi Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, again, I don't know that had been a good question.
I could have asked him. I will tell you this too, Greg.
If you want to go that, ask Todd Miller dot com.
He will answer it. He's very, very thorough, he said
on the National Board for Metal Roofing. There's also a
independent metal roofing website which is metalroofing dot com. It's
(42:20):
out west, but you know it speaks for the entire
nation in metal roofing. You might do a little research
on that website too and see if it says yeah,
I'm just thinking kind of out loud. I know, gutters
are you know thirty two and then the metal roofing
he said twenty nine. Todd says twenty six. So I
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don't know. I don't know. I'm sure there's a reason snowload.
I don't know. That's more in the construction. I certainly
some gauge would come into play there, but I really
just don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Well, I appreciate your time and I will definitely email him.
Thank you kind You're.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Very very good, Thanks Greg. I appreciate it, all right. Yeah,
I don't know why I said that the gage I
was all missed up. All right, let me give you
the phone number you're feel free to grab a line,
happy to talk to you about your own project. It
is eight hundred eight two three A two five five
and Danny'll answer to the call. Put you on the
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All right, two weekends upon us. Welcome at home with
Garrie Sullivan. Thanks for joining me, and a lot going on,
and we're also going to talk a little bit about
metal roofs at the bottom of the arm. In the meantime,
happy to take your call regarding your home projects. In
the meantime, let's get to Sylvia. Sylvia. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh my goodness, thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yes, sir, Well, my husband and I were wondering we've
got a couple of issues here. We have a storm
door that has I guess separated from the piano hinges,
and we were wondering if you could recommend someone in
our area to come out and take a look at it.
We're in Westchester, Ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Oh, I think a handyman. I don't think there's anybody
that's going to be, you know, really focused in on
just doing that repair. Is so the hinge itself is
are there screws holding like a piano hinge on it?
Or how's it? Where's it failing? I guess is what
I'm asking.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I guess. I'll be honest, I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I guess at the frame, Okay, A lot of handyman,
I mean, I can't visualize it, but I know what
you're talking about, and you know, I mean it's not
going to be a door company or anything like that
that's going to make that repair. Sylvia. I'd go down.
You know, you can get on Angie's list, find a
handy man. You can go down to your local Ace
(01:55):
hardware store. They probably have a list of handy men
there and you know, contact one of them and see
if they can take a look at it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, that'd be great, thank you. Then the other thing
is we we have.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Voles v O L E s.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
It's just so aggravating. I mean, the backyard is a mess,
and now they've gone to the side yard and now
the front yard. Is there any kind of company or
anyone that would.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Eradicate Yeah, certainly. The people that can take care of
the voles are pretty much the same people that can
take care of moles. You know, vole is smaller. Uh,
But the best way to get rid of them is
still the trapping the same way they do with moles,
you know, with a scissor trap or a harpoon tap
(02:48):
and find the main runway. So people that do that
would be people that get ridd of moles. They can
also get rid of voles also, like you know Pest
Control company, a lot of them will also do that
kind of work. They'll trap mice, they'll trap moles, they'll
drop voles calling around like and you know, a one
(03:10):
test control see if they do that type of work.
But that's who's going to work on that. And they're tough,
little you know, you gotta chase them around for a while,
but you know they're tough, and you're right, they just
they just they tear up yard, no question about that.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
They really do. And I'm worried about my husband getting
out there, maybe twisting an ankle or something, because it.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Usually somebody that will trap it that knows what they're doing.
The whole thing is to find which tunnels are active
because they change. And once you find them the active
tunnels and then start trapping them, you know, they'll get
them in you know, a few days, you know, one
to three days probably, it's pretty normal, I think. Do
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you live near woods, yes, yeah, see, that's that's the
that's the issue you too, Sylvia. As some of their
tunnels go into the woods, so they're all connected, right,
and they're you know, they're feeding tunnels and different things
like that. So sometimes you get rid of them and
they also come back. So I will get somebody. If
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you're looking for somebody to eradicate that, it's something you're
probably gonna work with them for a while. You know,
they'll get them, they'll get them trapped, they'll get some
out of there, and then some more return and eventually, uh,
eventually you're eradicate them.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I think. Okay, oh gosh, good to know. Well, I
certainly appreciate it. Thank you very much for the information,
and quite well, have your show.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Thank you. I have a great Christmas. Appreciate it all right.
Uh it's eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
That is our phone number. And uh, you know, if
that's something you want to do yourself, you just got
to be you know, getting rid of moles or voles.
You kind of get rid of them the same way.
I wouldn't really recommend using poisons or anything like that.
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We're just randomly digging, get those traps, find the main runway,
which is usually man you know, fairly straight, and we'll
say that step on it, flatten it, come back in
about a day and see if it's raised again. If
it's raised again, it's active, and then set that trap
(05:22):
exactly in that tunnel. Wear gloves too. You want to
reduce the you know, human scent. Check the traps daily
and see how you're doing. It's like gold fishing. All right,
we'll go to Pat Pat Welcome.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Hey, good morning, Dary.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Hope you're doing.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well, doing fine, Sarah, thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
The previous lady about no no handyman type and services. Yes,
one thing I would highly recommend is go to whatever
in person. Do not trying to get anything over the phone, right,
because they won't give it to you.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Oh well, no, yeah, they gotta. Just like when she's
talking about that type of hinge, a lot of different
types of hinges on storm doors. I think I visualize it,
but I don't know what the problem is. I don't
know what the hinges are. You're right, you got to
have them take a look at it to get a
fair estimate. Somebody may look at that and just say
you need a new storm door.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
No, no, no, no. Where I'm going with this is
they're not because they don't know. If they're like, you're
a competitor to someone else calling up and saying, okay,
who's a good contractor.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Oh yeah, but if you go to a hardware store,
they always have active list of different contractors.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, and say, okay, this is what I need. Don
who is good? And you've got to do it in first,
and you can't get it down over the phone.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, okay, so when you're going to the store. But yeah,
I was in the hardware business for many years, and boy,
we knew who the good ones were because they shopped
and bought stuff, and you know, we get feedback and
we'd always have a list of you know, at least
five or ten of them, and we would give them out,
you know, you know, on a regular basis. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Hey, one other tip, you know, and I've already done this,
removed these from the spickett.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, good, and you did.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
And one thing though, is, you know my outdoor spicket
goes under and completely unheated outdoor porch. Okay, and there's
a water shut off valve inside the heated portion.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Of the house.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yepah, get that shut off, don't you.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah. So just because you shut it off at the
faucet doesn't mean you're good to go.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Well, yeah, especially in your situation too. I mean, I
I use the analogy a lot of times of a
regular lawn faucet, which is just copper line right up
to that faucet. I mean you have to shut that
off on the inside of the house. And then there's
the frost proof. But as I've said many times, that
pipe is eight ten or twelve inches long, and so
(08:18):
is that stem. But if that's not going to get
you to the heated portion of the house, you know,
it doesn't matter whether it's a lawn faucet or a
frostproof faucet, you're going to have a problem because the
line that's feeding the frostproof faucet, you know, has to
be drained. So you're you're exactly correct.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yeah, yeah, mine has a drain valves. So I got
a five gallon docket. I can you know and do it?
Speaker 1 (08:48):
So I've already done it very good. Well, thank you
much for the tips. I appreciate it. I hope you
have a wonderful holiday, and if you'd like to join us,
do so. It's eight hundred and eighty two eight two
five five and again on his indoor faucets. In all honesty,
it never hurts if you've got I don't care what
kind of valve you've got that's going outside. If you
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can follow that into the house and you find that
shut off valve that's going to that um, there's a
little cap on there, a little bleeder cap. You shut
that off. Use that bleeder cap, bleed that water out
of there, disconnect the hose on the outside. You're good.
You're golden. You're golden. So make sure you do that.
(09:32):
If you haven't already done so, if you haven't done
it where I live, you've already got a problem. I'm
pretty sure. All right, let's take a little break, Candice,
you'll be up first. We'll continue. You're at home with
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Speaker 7 (13:27):
I have a solution for the moles.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay, well these are voles, right.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
M O.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
L e s. Yeah, Well she had voles, but they're
kind of the same.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Okay. What I have is a windmill that is attached
to at least it's twelve feet long, and you install
the pole into the ground three to four feet deep,
and then when the will windmill turns, it takes the
pole and it shakes the ground and that runs them away.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah. I have seen those. In fact, I've even seen
smaller ones. I think a little bit of it depends
on the type of soil too. If you've got a
softer soil, a sandy soil, it's probably going to work
a little bit better than a real hard clay soil.
Is the pole the one on the one you're talking about,
Is that a steel pole?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Okay? And how far do you sinking into the ground?
Speaker 7 (14:32):
At least three feet?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So how do you sink that in? Is I mean,
do you dig a hole or how do you do that?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Well?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Yeah, you dig a hole and then you get on
the ladder and you.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Pound it in driving in Okay. I just wanted to
get the picture. Yeah, And you've had good luck with
getting ridal moles with that, and I agree. I mean,
there's a boy. I'll tell you what. I been almost
doing a show for almost forty years, and there are
are all kinds of different remedies to get rid of moles.
And I've heard that, I've seen that. I haven't done that,
(15:09):
but there's a lot of different solutions. And it's really
interesting because sometimes you know, they work great. Sometimes I
found they don't work that well. And I'm not talking
about yours, but I'm talking about chewing gum. I'm talking
about there's you know, all kinds of different. You go
through the hardware story, you probably find ten fifteen different
(15:29):
things to get rid of moles, and like I said,
voles are kind of the same, but they are different.
I've even sonic noises that you can put in there.
But I appreciate that tip. I used to see. This
is probably thirty years ago, Candice. They used to have
little ones with a metal not really a pole, like
(15:54):
a metal dal and it was a little plastic windmill
that looked like a sun flower, and they were all
the rage for a while, and I don't even see
them anymore, so maybe that wasn't long lasting. But the
only sure fire away I know, and certainly folks you
can try that if you have that problem. But the
only surefire away that I know to really get them
(16:17):
under control is to trap them. I've been one of
those folks that have tried many different things, sometimes very successfully,
and then the next time I have the problem not
so successfully. And I still have told the story many times.
(16:39):
But you see a problem, it's the mole or the vole,
and you start using the trap, and they're sneaky little
devils and a lot of times you pull in the
driveway and you see that tunnel moving and you get
out of a spade, and well that'll take care of
them real fast. But you got to see that tunnel moving,
(17:00):
you can see where they are under there. I mean,
you know, it just takes a you have to get
a little aggressive with them. But there are a lot
of different and I don't discourage you from trying it
because they're very frustrating. And some of them, like I said,
some of them will work, and some of them that
(17:23):
you swear on will work, they'll quit working. So just
kind of pass that along. But this lady had voles.
Here's another another little tip for you. If you're hanging
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to have problems, and you're going to go through the
ceramic tile, through the green border whatever's on the other side,
and you're gonna use a plastic anchor or something, or
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be getting through the ceramic tile and you may be thinking, well,
you just use a masonry bit. You can, but there
are bits strictly for ceramic tile. And if you get
one of those and you have a variable speed you know,
drill battery or electric, and you get a ceramic bit,
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towel once you scratch that glazing a little bit, and
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going through butter. It really will. So there are specific
drill bits for a lot of different things, but they
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I wouldn't even mess around with a masonry bit. You'll
be there for a while with that, but not with
that seramic tawbidd, It'll cut right through it. So I
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got a lot to discuss today. We've been talking a
lot about roofs and it seems like they're always talked about,
and it's about asphalt shingles, and so I thought i'd
reach out to my friend Todd Miller. He is with
Classic Metal Roofing and kind of see where the metal
roofing industry is these days. I would assume it's growing,
especially with some of the natural disasters that have taken place,
(22:43):
and I think, quite honestly, some of the not so
good press that asphalt shingles are getting. So Todd Miller,
welcome that home with Gary Salvn. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I'm doing fantastic. Thank you so much for having me today,
Garrett Pleasure.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
You're quite welcome. What is the metal roofing industry going?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
You know, we continue to grow, and you hit on
something important there. A lot of times the natural disasters
kind of point people toward, hey, there has to be
a better way to roof my home. And a few
years ago when several hurricanes hit Florida, we saw that
happen in Florida and Florida very much has turned toward
metal in recent years. And now the big thing is
(23:25):
the horribly tragic fires out in southern California just about
a year ago. As people are starting to think about
rebuilding and even remodeling if they did survive the fires
without devastation, we are seeing a lot of heads and
thoughts turning toward metal roofing in southern California right now.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, what kind of propped in my call to you
is well, two things happened. Number One, I saw report
where they were testing s phalt shingles on hell damage
and across the board. I'm gonna screw this up a
Criterias and nobody ended up with a classification of as excellent.
(24:13):
So that was a little concerning. I know, the shingles
have gotten a little thinner. I know algae has become
you know, unsightly on shingles that are over ten years old.
What else is going on? Insurance companies they want to
pro rate roofs asphalt shingles. I don't know how that
applies to MET And I thought, after I heard all
(24:34):
of that, I said, you know what, we got to
talk to Todd about metal roofing because you think metal roofing,
and uh, quite honestly, everybody thinks, oh, when it rains,
it's going to be loud, and how's that do with hail?
So why don't you give me the benefits of metal roofing?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Todd Sure, And you know you touched on the insurance
industry there, and absolutely insurance is trying figure out how
they can quit having to buy new people new.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Roosts every year.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
The insurance industry and many of these hail prone areas
is extremely upside down, and so they've been looking at
a number of options reducing coverage. In fact, probably a
lot of your listeners have gotten letters from their insurance
companies that referenced rooft damages in hail, and most of
those letters are hard to even understand. But the point
(25:26):
is they're trying to figure out how to not have
to keep replacing roosts due to hail damage. And you know,
I think one of the keys that is a big
benefit of metal roofing is that it doesn't lose its resiliency,
It doesn't lose its strength, that it doesn't have all
these oils in it that evaporate and dry out, so
that it becomes weaker with age. A metal roof will
(25:49):
resist hail, it will be just as resilient and high winds,
just as fire resistant in thirty forty fifty years as
it is when it's first installed. You look at most
other roofing materials, and you know, including asphalt shingles, including
wood shingles that used to be used a lot in
grouning tile. There are some newer polymer products on the market.
(26:11):
We're not quite sure how those are going to fair,
but you know, most of those products tend to lose
a lot of that strength and resiliency as they age,
and that just isn't the case with metal. So for
that reason, insurance companies like metal in a lot of
respects and in many cases where they have started to regulate, hey,
we won't ensure anybody with the roof over fifteen years old.
(26:34):
In most cases that those homeowners dig a little bit,
they will find that there are there is a pathway
for getting their roof in or their home insured if
it has a metal roof on it, despite that metal
roof maybe being fifteen, twenty five, thirty five years old.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Not that money is the only concern, but in terms
of metal roofing that's going to last. I think to
warrant you bod fifty years or something.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I mean, you're pretty common forty to fifty years, sometimes
lifetime for the initial owner.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah. How's the insurance treat DOZ? I mean, is there
a discount to the homeowner in terms of insurance if
you have a metal roof.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
So it's kind of a double edged sword for the
insurance industry. They realize that metal roosts are very resilient,
very long lasting, but they also know if there's some
sort of disaster that does destroy that roof, they're going
to have a fairly expensive plane because metal roofs do
have a higher upfront cost. So what we have seen
is they will offer discounts in some areas of the country,
(27:44):
especially in hail prone areas of the country, they will
offer a discount for metal roofing. We've also seen in
some cases a homeowner might be paying extra on their
insurance if they have, say a wood roof due to
the fire hazard, or if they have an older asshole roof.
They may still be being insured but simply be paying
(28:05):
more because of it. So if you replace with a
metal roof, make sure you go back to your insurance,
got me and find out if you've been paying anything
extra for that old roof that can now go away
now that you have a new roof.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, we had Beth Harper and she's an insurance broker
out of Cleveland. We had her on last week and
we've had different discussions. I knew there's big changes, you know,
with insurance and roofing, and we were talking about a
lot of those things. But I think metal roofing brings
so much more to the table than just the insurance.
And one of his energy savings. A lot of people
(28:38):
don't look at a roof as an energy saving product,
but a metal roofing can save you energy in.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Particular during the summer. That is correct. So today's metal roofs,
sometimes with the coatings on them, sometimes just because of
the design of the product. They're designed to keep heat
out of the attic and to be reflective of radiant heat.
And what we will often hear from homeowners is they
will see summertime energy savings of around twenty percent due
(29:09):
to reduced air conditioning needs. And so yeah, that's pretty significant.
And you know, there again, that isn't something that you
just get for the first couple of years and it diminishes.
You know, it's there for the life of the roof.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
How about the look of a metal roof. I'm sure
there's people listening as conversation going like, yeah, but I
don't want my house to look like a mar and
that's so far from the truth. Well, I got a
niche down in Louisville, Kentucky, and driving through down in
that area, there's a lot of metal roofs and beautiful
homes with beautiful metal roofs, and there is a there's
(29:47):
quite a distinctive look on a metal roof if you
want it. Kind of talk about the appearance.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Well, there absolutely is. There's a great variety of looks.
You can have that traditional vertical seam root look if
you want that, and you know, in particular on some
homes colonials or some ultra contemporary homes, that vertical seam
look looks really nice. However, there are also a number
of companies, including ours, that manufacture a wide variety of
(30:17):
metal shingles, so you can actually have a metal roof
that looks like traditional asshole shingles or maybe looks like
a high end slate roof or a barrel tile roof
or a wood shake roof. You can have the benefits
of metal with something that doesn't look like metal at all.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Is there an I mean, do most roofers do metal
roofing or is it kind of a Nietzsche group of
folks that do the installation on metal roofing And how
do we find those folks? Sure?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
So, our industry has worked very hard to train new
installers out there, and so yes, most metal roof or
most riffing contractors will offer metal roofs, and a lot
of times they will subcontract that labor out not to
their typical asphalt crew, but to a metal specialist crew.
One of the things I really suggest people do, though, is,
(31:15):
you know, do some research online, look at the metal
roofs that you like, find some products you like, go
back to those manufacturers and say, hey, I like your product.
Who in my area is experienced installing this product? And
let the manufacturer who you know, they know who their
customers are, and they know who does things right and
(31:35):
who maybe doesn't do things right. Let them refer you
to somebody who's experienced with their product.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Todd, when you just mentioned something that didn't even really
think of to even ask. But when you're looking for
a metal roof, you say different manufacturers and stuff, and
of course not all manufacturers are the same kind as
you stated. For as a consumer, what kind of things
are you asking or looking for in a metal roof?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
You know, I think aesthetics and warranty are a big one.
You know, I think looking at the type of coating
that's on the roof. So for many years, the really
the well most respected coating on metal roofing has been
a paint finish called kin er as a trade name
or it's PVDF polyvanildine fluoride, and the polyvaneldine fluoride is
(32:28):
an extremely robust finish that's well known for its fade
and chalk resistance. So I would certainly look into seeing
what the coating is on it, what the life expectancy,
what the fade and chalk resistance is of that coating. Yes,
you're right, there's a lot of manufacturers out there, and
you know, there are a few folks who are sort
of putting themselves out there as manufacturers, but they are
(32:52):
buying all shore products and bringing it in. You'll know
who the warranty is coming from. I know exactly what
theroduct warranty covers and know who stands behind that warranty.
And of course when you buy a roof, you're probably
going to get two warranties. You're going to get a
product warranty from the manufacturer. You're going to get an
installation workmanship warranty from the contractor. You certainly want to
(33:15):
understand both of those and know who is behind both
of theirs.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So the warranties, is it safe to say they're almost
double of a asphalt roof, I mean, is a just
being very general?
Speaker 3 (33:29):
You know, any warranty, of course you always want to
look at the fine print, right and there are certainly
ways to create warranties out there that have so many
exclusions in them that they look better than they really are.
But typically with a residential metal roof, we're seeing on
product warranty most manufacturers offering a lifetime warranty for the
(33:51):
life of the initial property owner, and then usually it
transfers to a forty or fifty year warranty after or
when the house is sold. A couple of things to
look at are how many times will that warranty transfer?
We'll just transfer one then never again, we'll transfer multiple
times during the forty or fifty years, and then look
(34:12):
at the pro ration of that warranty. Two, some roofing
warranties of all products pro rate down pretty heavily, whereas say,
maybe by year five, the coverage is only fifty percent
of the value of the roof. And you know that
is all based on the fact that you did get
some value and some use out of that product. But
(34:33):
there are warranties out there that do not pro rate
at all, and so you want to make sure you
understand again exactly what that warranty covers, what its limitations are,
how transferable it is, and whether it pro rates or not.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Certainly a metal roof is going to cost more upfront.
You had said that maybe it's a couple times. I
don't know. It's a roof that you're going to have
for the rest of your life, that's for sure. Is
there any text credit in metal roofing?
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So there was a federal tax credit for a number
of years, and that did go away at the end
of twenty twenty two. What we do see is some
local utility incentives. The state of Michigan has had a
program that would help homeowners get lower interest rates for
(35:22):
buying energy efficient products, So there are some state and
local incentives out there. Usually, once you get to the
point of talking to a contractor, they're probably going to
know what incentives are available in your area.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Excellent, Todd. Thank you so much for join us. We're
going to do this again. I think Metal Roofing is
going to see a little bit of an explosion here.
I really I just feelt my bones and you're my
go to guy. How do people get a hold of
you or your website? How do we get things started?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
So my company corporate name is Isaiah Industry is good
Isaiah Industries dot com. They can also go to classicroof
dot com. Or I have an educational website at ask
Toddmiller dot com and folks can reach me through that
Todd at ask Toddmiller dot com. And I've got lots
of questions on that website and things I've answered and
(36:18):
things I've helped folks with over the years.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Wonderful. Thank you so much for joining us. You guys
have a blessed Christmas and a happy New Year.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
You too.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Thank you so much, Gary taking you.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Bet you Thanks all right, Todd Miller. I'll tell you
what he is. The man. He is the man I
go to for my information on metal roofing. I hope
he certainly has a great holiday, and we thank him
for joining us. All Right, we'll take a little break.
We got Beth coming up first. If you'd like to
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A two five five Greg Welcome.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Thank you, sir, appreciate this taking the call. Roof question.
My mother uh lives in northern Tennessee almost to Kentucky
and she needs a new roof and we were looking
at getting a metal roof for she's had shingle her
whole life. And mister Todd had mentioned, you know, going
online doing your research. Everything I read had said, you
(40:06):
want to get at least a twenty six gauge roof.
She's gotten three or four quotes up there, and everybody
that she gets the quote from says we put the
roof over the shingles. One guy says they put a
Thermaguard insulation and vapor barrier between them. But they all
(40:28):
use twenty nine. And I was just wondering if that's
good enough.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Well, I'll tell you what that would be better. And
I don't know, you know, not to speak for Todd
or anything. When he was saying about twenty six, I
think the reference was being made to at least get
a twenty six gauge. Okay, but that twenty nine. I
don't know that that's actually that'd be a little thicker, right.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
No, so' that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
At first, I'm thinking that's gonna be thicker. I'm thinking, no,
that's gonna be thinner.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
It's like a shotgun gage.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, right, I'm back. I'm back, I'm back in orbit. Yeah.
I don't know that. To be honest, I really don't know.
I think I would go to s Toddmiller dot com
and ask that question again. Yeah, yeah, I don't you know,
there's also when you're talking metal roofing too. I don't
(41:30):
think we made the delineation from a steel metal roofing
to an aluminum metal roofing. I know he's talking about steel.
I don't know if that comes into play with a
gauge or not.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
Well, I mean that in his in Marl's part of
the country, they look at the weight of snow, you.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Know, right, well yeah, every decade, sure, sure, but.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
She gets it all the time. So I didn't know
if maybe they were doing that because of the snow
weight would make it a little wi Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, again, I don't know that had been a good question.
I could have asked him. I will tell you this too, Greg.
If you want to go that, ask Todd Miller dot com.
He will answer it. He's very, very thorough, he said
on the National Board for Metal Roofing. There's also a
independent metal roofing website which is metalroofing dot com. It's
(42:20):
out west, but you know it speaks for the entire
nation in metal roofing. You might do a little research
on that website too and see if it says yeah,
I'm just thinking kind of out loud. I know, gutters
are you know thirty two and then the metal roofing
he said twenty nine. Todd says twenty six. So I
(42:43):
don't know. I don't know. I'm sure there's a reason snowload.
I don't know. That's more in the construction. I certainly
some gauge would come into play there, but I really
just don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Well, I appreciate your time and I will definitely email him.
Thank you kind You're.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Very very good, Thanks Greg. I appreciate it, all right. Yeah,
I don't know why I said that the gage I
was all missed up. All right, let me give you
the phone number you're feel free to grab a line,
happy to talk to you about your own project. It
is eight hundred eight two three A two five five
and Danny'll answer to the call. Put you on the
(43:23):
board and well we'll chat about it and get you
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and remember that cloth can be combustionable as it dries,
so put it either outside, open it up, or if
(43:44):
you're keep in the garage don't roll it up in
a ball and throw it in a box. You got
to keep it and let it air drive. All right,
we'll continue. You're at Home with Gary Sullivan.
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.