December 6, 2025 • 44 mins
This hour on "At Home with Gary Sullivan," Gary tackles the importance of winterizing your home. He shares tips on how to prevent frozen pipes and discusses the consequences of not taking preventative measures. Gary also chats with listeners about their home improvement projects, including a caller who's looking to cover up outdated paneling in their home. Additionally, he talks about the latest trends in home decor, including the Pantone Color of the Year, and shares advice on how to tackle common household issues like stubborn stains on porcelain bathtubs.
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
Well, it's the weekend. Welcome at home with Gary Sullivan.
Another weekend getting a few things done around the home.
Glad you could join me and boy. A lot of
parts of the country very cold. I think I don't
have the exact percentage now, I kind of forget, but
I saw on the weather forecast like snow cover throughout
the United States, and last week was forty seven percent
(00:52):
something along those lines, which was higher than it's been
in a while. So that means cold temperatures have certainly
settled in. And always kind of remains me to remind
you to pay attention to pipes that could freeze. I
know we warn you a lot in September and August,
but you know, it's never a problem till it's a problem.
(01:14):
It's hard to think ahead. And you know, if you
ended up with a frozen pipe, you may not even
know it. And I was talking to somebody this week,
I said, you know, when you have a frozen pipe, really,
how do you know you have a frozen pipe? When
the water doesn't come out of the faucet. That's how
most people know they got a frozen pipe. Right, Hopefully
(01:37):
it's not when the pipe is frozen and the copper
splits and water starts spraying. Hopefully it's not that, because
that certainly can happen. But I know, I think in
my entire life, we have one frozen pipe on Christmas morning,
daughter's bathtub. Wasn't getting a water pipe in the adda
(02:01):
wasn't in the uh, in the cavity with the insulation.
When they built a house, they missed. That's how we
found out. So we got into really talking about falling
a pipe. And you know, no open flames. That's that's
number one one. No, don't use a torch, please, hair dryer. Sure,
(02:24):
heating picture, but you can usually see where the pipe
is frozen. Sometimes it'll be frost on the outside of it.
And uh, but slow heat, no open flame, and uh,
if you got pecks, uh, you know the pecks plumbing,
(02:44):
same way, heat just degraded. If you got a heat gun,
you can use that on copper, maybe on medium heat.
If you got pecs, maybe on low heat. Maybe just
stick with the hair dryer. Outside of that then solve
the problem either wrapping it with an insulating sleeve or
(03:07):
getting some insulation around it. But mainly it's an older
house issue. If it hasn't been. You know, maybe the
same people had the house for years and years and years,
and you know they would address it when it got
real cold or something along those lines, and they sell
the house and new people get it and they're not
(03:29):
I don't know the history of the house, and you
got to do a little inspection. Outside walls. That's a placeboy,
that's the first place you want to look. Plumbing running
on outside walls and homes built prior to nineteen seventy,
that's a really good place you'll find. You'll find the
need for some insulation or maybe even a heat tape
(03:52):
outside walls, garages, cross spaces, attics, areas that are normally
not heated. Basically is what should looking for. And with
all the preaching we did in September in August about
or probably October. September and October about disconnect the hose
on the outside faucet, I hear everybody talking about that now.
(04:15):
It's pretty interesting because probably fifteen years nobody talked about that.
I think that's uh. Everybody thought, oh, I got a
frostproof faucet. I don't have to do anything, And in
a way, you really don't, except for one thing, not
so much the faucet, But you got to take the
hose off the faucet. Otherwise, if you turn off the
(04:36):
UH faucet and the hose is filled with water, that
water has nowhere to go kind of back up, back
flows back into the faucet into that pipe that is
supposed to be frostproof. Well it's not, because we enclculate
all that water standing water in a hose. But if
you disconnected the hose drains, then you're good. Then you're
(04:58):
good unless you got the old type landscaping faucet where
you got a valve just inside the house. Right behind
where that UH valve is, there'll be a little valve
inside the house with a little cap on it. Just
turn that off and unscrew that cap and back drain
it and you're good. So anyway, let's open up the
(05:20):
phone lines. Happy to talk to you about what you
want to speak of about your home. Our phone number
is eight hundred eighty two three eight two five y five.
That's eight hundred eighty two three eight two five five
and uh. We'll discuss some of the things that really
can cause you problems down the road. And of course
(05:42):
we're always talking about humidity and it's dry and cold
outside right now, so it's probably a little uh Chillian
dry in your house. So remember that number, thirty five percent.
That's about where we want to be, and that's in
the living quarters. I to do actually put my thermostatic back
(06:05):
on my easy breathe. I got a humidifier, and I
got a do humidifire. Do you minify we're not using
right now, but the humidifiers putting in some moisture. My
in my living quarters today was thirty six percent. Absolutely
(06:26):
as close to perfect as you can get, but still
felt a little dry. And you know, I'm always talking
about stack effect. You know, like in the summertime, if
you got humidity seventy percent down in your basement, your
living quarters might be sixty percent and upstairs might be
fifty percent, but it's marching up armor. When I went
(06:47):
downstairs the other day, the basement humidification was twenty five percent.
And that's where we're exchanging error bringing the dryer downstairs.
They dry in that basement. So I turn the therma
or the humidistat so that the that the easy breathe
(07:07):
will actually shut off when it's like thirty five percent,
It won't just keep running because in a weird time,
I'm running that thing full bore, you know, to control
that humidity, get out those toxins in the basement. And
it was pretty dry down there. So I rectified that
situation pretty quickly. I just put that you ministat on.
(07:32):
Let it get a little dampness in there, dampness meaning
bringing it up from like twenty seven percent up to
about thirty eight percent. Perfect, perfect, and we'll just keep
it controlled that way. So we've talked a lot about
that in the past. I have to say, that's the
first time I've really started thinking that's pretty almost a
little too dry down here. I don't know if I've
(07:52):
ever said that about my basement. So we can chat
about that also, we can. Uh, there's so many things
going on right now. We got that as I was
talking with Ron Wilson. We had the Color of the
Year by Pantone finally came out, Cloud Dancer. It's an
off white white. He's g real pale gray, very pale,
(08:13):
and everybody was all, abouz, the color of the year
is white. What's going on? You know? But as we've
chatted a lot, White's becoming a big player on the
outside of home. So you've probably seen him in your neighborhood. Uh,
especially if you live in a I'm seeing it where
people are transitioning. Man, I'm not sure I would do
(08:34):
this to my house like ever. And that's when you
got a you know, twenty five thirty year old brick
home and you're gonna paint that brick white. Just I mean,
it totally totally changes the looks of the house. They
painted white and then you do all your trim and black.
But I'll tell you when it's done, it does look sharp.
(08:57):
It does look sharp. The house is that I don't
like a new subdivisions now, and I see this is
they've done the black trim, but they left the brick
that looks like the haunted house. Stay away from that house, kids.
So uh anyway, the color of the Year by Pantone
and they are the experts. It is a cloud Dancer.
(09:19):
Well just an off white. All right, we're gonna take
a break and Richard you'll be up first, So sit tight.
Our phone number is eight hundred and eight two three
A two five five. You're at home with Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Takes it right with a call to Gary Sullivan at
one eight hundred eight two three talk This is at
Home with Gary Sullivan.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
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(12:13):
mister unforgettable. Ron Wilson is joining us, even though it's
December and is probably not at the top of our minds.
And Ron I did. I told Richard he'd be up first,
but I forgot the gardening segment, and there's gardening to
do inside. So Richard, if you could just sit tight,
we'll get we'll chat with Ron here.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Wait, Gary made a mistake?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Who I did? I did? I should you know? I
should never, frister, mister unforgettable, Yes, sir, I know what happened.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I just want you to know. My parents home we
lived in Greensburg, Indiana. Uh huh was a peace home.
Oh okay, and my father actually helped build a house,
but was red brick, white trim and black shutters.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And it wasn't a haunted house.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well I think it. I shouldn't have said that, but
there is a home and I passed originally. It is
a beautiful home. I mean it truly is. It's a beautiful,
beautiful home and very very well maintained. And this year
they painted. I couldn't. I can't even tell you what
they eat. Trim was on that home, but I don't remember,
(13:24):
but they painted the trim in black. But the brick
it's it's kind of like a chocolate brown, Okay, and
it just it it just doesn't look warmy, it doesn't
look It doesn't work for me, not to say it
doesn't work for somebody. Yeah, just it. Gosh, it's just
(13:47):
the wrong color of brick. It's too dark. The brick
is too dark for a black trim.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Maybe they need cloud dancer.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, they need a little cloud dancer. Color of the Year,
my pantum fellaly got around to it. I love it.
I think it's kind of like a sand of beard.
What Santa Beard?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Oh, okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Gonna be a color of your next year. It's gonna
be all white too. It's gonna be a whitish yellow.
It's gonna be called Santo Beard. And the runner up
is gonna be called Cheeto fingers.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It's gonna be a orange.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
What do you think I think we had to get
a job naming colors.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think it'd be a blast.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, well, how about how about Dead House playing brown?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, that would work.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm telling you the descriptive.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Sit around a table and then when they need plants anymore,
all that I think that, you know, you'd get a
couple of bottles of wine subourbon.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's it and just sounds better. But yeah, dead playing
out dead brown. Yeah, I mean it's got chocolate moose.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And then we got point set of a red say
coming all kinds of colors now, don't they.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You can get them custom painted to whatever color you want.
That's that's still that's maybe a multi color kind of
not flying with a lot of garden centers, but that's
available now. They have a floral paint that you can
you know, if you've got a purple you can come by,
yeah and nel spray paint with a little bit of
a glitter on there and then make them whatever color
(15:14):
you want. You know what I am getting On a
serious note? Uh And well that's serious because they do that.
But I get emails all the time, and I got
one this past week from my brother in law sent
me a example of hostas that he found on the internet.
There were multiple colored blue, pink, red, purple.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I'm not digging that either.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well they His question was is this for real or
is this BS? And it's not real, it's it's AI
generated and these I mean, if you see these colors, Gary,
they're fluorescent reds, and and and and and the one
plant had all the different colors on each leaf.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Okay, so tell me this. Why do people want to
do that? I mean, not not color them, but want
to put something out like that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I don't know, but there's actual websites and the kicker
is like and you probably tell people the same thing
with home improving products. If it looks too good to
be true, you know the old saying it typically is,
and there's a product that you know, Okay, those colors
are no plan has those colors. First of all, right, Secondly,
if those were available, don't you think every garden center
(16:24):
would be growing.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Those because they're ugly?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, it is ugly, but everybody wants to see what
they look like.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Everybody wants to be trendy.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Everybody would happen. And third they sell you the seed.
Oh no, and nobody grows hostas from seedeed. It's all
from rooted roote divisions, the clump divisions. And so it's
a it's a it's a hoax and why And I've
gotten a bazillion emails about that, and some pogonias and
some other things that they've done this to and it's
(16:53):
not real.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Understand what the honest to goodness like, I think I'm
gonna come up today and have put a whole line
of two headed hammers.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Together or something.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I don't know. It's like, it's like, why are you
doing that? And first of all, even the hostesses, you
know I'm a crmungeon to day. Let me tell you.
With all the different colors, I just want a red point.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well you know what one is. I love red obviously,
Whites are nice, and I like pink, and I like
some of the marbles. I mean those are those are okay,
I like those. But when you start looking at these
blues and purples and glitter glitter on there and you
can match it to your wall color but whatever color
of the year it was, and uh no, it's just like, nah,
(17:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, I've always craved a blue gold glitter hostas in
my backyard blue and gold. I always wanted one, maybe
with a sprinkling of red too, or fluorescent orange. Simn't
you ever said that you looked at that night.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I'll send you this link. I mean, you'll look at
these colors and you go who you will say exactly
what you said. Why would you even want that in
your garden?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
My rabbits would go crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
They'd come back, they want to go.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Check out that blue hostess. That house over there is
I'm not eating nutstuff now.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
See there are actually blue hostas blue leafd TSSA. That's
a category, but it's a green blue. It's not blue blue.
But yeah, it's just crazy. So we're seeing that more
and more even in our industry, and a lot of
times in some of the seed catalogs. You should to
be careful because they would do a little color enhancing,
you know, is it really that red? Is it really
(18:38):
that pink?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So what are they gonna do? Buy the seeds and
then be very disappointed. Yeah, why would a seed company
want to do that?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Well, it's somebody that's just selling these. It shows the progression.
So it shows when they come up they're green, and
that they turn to these colors. So if you do
get the seeds to come up and they it's hard
to grow them from seed, they will start out green.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I can't wait to get me a pink tomato.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Oh that's available, of course it is blue amato.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Fine with me, Thank you?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You're lightning. I'm always run well.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I'm that unforgettable type of a person.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
There you are, there you go, Thanks buddy, appreciated. All right,
Ron Wilson, you can check it out Ron Wilson online
dot com and we'll come back and yes, Richard and
Betty will be next. I promise at home with Gary Sullivan.
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back here do we go at home with Gary Salivan
Another weekend getting a few things done around the home.
Happy to have you. It's eight hundred eight two three
eight two five five Richard. Thank you for hanging on.
I appreciate it. Hello, yes, sir, uh my question.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I've been a contractor for years and people are spraying
foam insulation against the roof deck of houses and ceiling
addicts off and I don't think that's right for the
insulation to be a deck directly against the roof deck.
How do you cool the insulation? Years ago, I had
(22:56):
a guide tell me my air conditioner runs all night.
And I looked at his else and there was no
ventilation in the attic and only like six inches insulation,
and he he had me insulate that and with the ventilation.
I told him now that he's not going to go
down every inch of your insulation until your ceilings as
(23:17):
hot as the attic. And he said, after a couple
of weeks after I did it, he goes my ericanice
just shuts off at nine o'clock. He says, good, I
just don't see how that falls well against it.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, if you you know, being a contractor, you've seen
things just evolve. And I'm not saying, were you in Nebraska? Yeah, yeah,
So things evolve and they DeVault as they develop. It's
usually different ranges of the company. So you know, the
whole story houses, you know, we had we had no ventilation,
(23:58):
so Zaddi Scott. You know, one hundred and forty degrees.
We had insulation on the floor of the attic of course,
to trying to kind of buffer that so that heat
doesn't get down into the house. And then in the
seventies we started you know, doing ventilation with softa venting
and ridge venting and having convection. Even ninety degree temperatures
(24:20):
outside were cooler than one hundred and forty degrees in
the attic, and you know, we used the attic as
a chimney. We put a ridge vent up there. The
hot air went out, the cooler air, even though it
was ninety degrees came in. But about twenty five years
ago down in the southeast, they started what they call
(24:41):
a whole house encapsulation. And what it was was, even
with ventilation, those air handlers that were up in attics
just were working really hard and they started encapsulating the
whole attic. So so they weren't really necessarily worrying about
(25:02):
the insulation on the floor anymore. They were focused underneath
the roof to not allow that heat to penetrate through
the shingles and through the roofing, decking and heat up
that attic. And they didn't bring in you know, there
wasn't ventilation. They did the walls, they did the underneath
of the ceiling, and quite honestly, a lot of them
(25:25):
even took up insulation off the floor of the attic.
And what they and they didn't air condition the attic,
but they let the natural uh, it was a semi
conditioned space. In other words, it was keeping the heat out.
The cool from the air conditioner worked its way into
(25:46):
the attic and you know, it kept it you know,
the same I don't know if it was the same temperature,
I shouldn't say that, but let's say a palatable temperature
in the attic, and that that hit proved to be
especially if you had air handlers in the attic. You know,
(26:08):
a good way it was another way, let's put it.
That way is another way. And you know, I'm our
flagship station's in Ohio, and there's probably some houses that
have whole house encapsulation in addicts, but it's still more
of a real hot temperature geography where they're using that.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I just don't understand why you don't need airspace above
the foam for to cool the foam. That heat, if
it don't get dissipated, it just starts working its way
through the insulation and pretty soon, pretty soon your AC
is cooling the wall that's a hundred degrees because it's
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not cooling itself.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, well, i'd have to do. I mean, it's proven
successful and been there twenty twenty five years, but I
guess I can't really explain it to you in simple
terms without kind of going back and researching. And I
don't have it. I'm not really in a zone that's
using it a lot, but I do know and in fact,
it's it's gaining in popularity quite honestly.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Well, yeah, I know that.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You know, I don't know a lot of your different
roofing materials now also a little bit of a radiant barrier,
so you minimize solar heat gained through shingles. I know
metal roofing, their coatings are very much a radiant barrier
built into that metal roofing. So you know, I don't
know if it's there yet, but you know, in those
(27:41):
areas it functions quite well. Whether it continues to grow,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Well, all right, thanks for the call, Richard, I appreciate it.
Let's go to Betty.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Betty, welcome, thank you for taking my call. I'm getting
ready to put my house up for sale, and it
was built in seventy six. Though I have the paneling
in the rick room. Okay, how do I cover that over?
I've had somebody say paint it, somebody said dry wall
(28:15):
over it. Somebody said put like a plaster type of
thing over it. What's your idea?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Well, you can do all kinds of things, and I
think you name some of them. I think the question
is what do you want it to look like when
you're finished? I mean, if you paint it, it's going
to look like paint, okay, And if you dry wallet,
it's going to be a little bit of work, right,
I mean, you're gonna take that paneling off. You might
(28:45):
look at maybe putting quarter inch drywall over the paneling.
That could be an option. There's also something called wall liner,
which is a cloth with a little It comes in
different patterns. It's got a little stipple on it, like
a popcorn, and it's got a little swirl like plaster,
and it hangs horizontally. You would have to come and
(29:08):
you know, fill all the the the salt cuts in
the paneling to make those smooth, and you do that
with a you know, topping compound or drywall mud, something
along those lines. So you know, there's there's a few
things you could do right there. There's new types of covering.
(29:30):
You've probably even seen commercials. It's almost like a for
Michael wall panel, and I'm seeing some of that being used,
especially in in closets and things like that. That could
be actually installed over the paneling too. So you're either
going to cover it up or tear down and put
drywall up.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Well, the thing is with selling it, I really don't
want to put a fortune into it. So the one
real estate lady said, fill in the lines with some
kind of a product and then just paint it. But
I don't, I don't remember what, So that.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeap, so that you can. That would be similar if
I was saying when I was talking about the wall covering,
So those salt cuts, that's those lines. First of all,
they would have to be primed, so you would use
like a Kills primer and you would paint those lines,
and then you would use like a dry wall topping
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compound and you would fill those lines with that like
a plaster if you will, okay, and you can even
you can even get that where it dries. It actually
cures in like forty five minutes, okay. And then after
it dries, you know, lightly sand and then you would
(30:55):
prime that and you really would prime everything. Then you'd
prime over the popping compound, you would prime the paneling,
and then you would put a finished coat of paint
over the whole wall. And basically your your purpose there
is to just make it smooth.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
So which would be the simplest.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
The simplest is to just paint it and leave the lines.
It will still look like paneling. The next step would
probably the less expensive and the simplest, would probably get
a painter in there and just have him fill the
saw cuts, you know, primate, fill the saw cuts, prime, and.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Paint okay, and irregular painter would this type of job?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Sure, sure, sure, okay. But and then your next step,
your next easiest step, would be a wall liner. So
when you start talking to a painter, you know he's
probably going to give you some options too, So talk
to him about filling the all cuts, priming, and painting
that you want that paneling to look like a smooth,
(32:06):
paintable wall. How close can you come to that? Love,
It depends on the type of paneling and everything else,
but it can be done. It was something that was
done a lot to you know, ten fifteen years ago,
quite honestly, just when people started lightening the rooms up
a little bit. But eh, get yourself a good painter
and have a discussion with them, and I think you'll
come up with a solution.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
All right, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
You're quite welcome, Betty. Thank you, Lisa. You'll be up next.
We're going to take a break. If you'd like to
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It's eight hundred A two three eight two five five
and let's go to Lisa. Lisa.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Welcome, Hi, good morning, Gary.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
How are you doing fine? Thank you good.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
I listen to your show every week. I've learned so
much get great advice from areas I'm not currently working on.
It's great advice, nonetheless, so thank you for all you've
done for these many years.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
You're welcome.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
You got a question for you, Gary, all right, do
you have a remedy for moving turmerg stains from a
porcelain bathtub? And they gave you a little bit a time.
Let me tell you what I tried already. I tried vinegar, baking,
sod of lemon, juice, hydrogen peroxide, cream of tartar and butter.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And what are we trying to remove? I missed what
we were trying to remove.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
That's no worries. Turmerg stains from a porsa, a glossy
finished porcelain bathtub.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Hmm, well, I'll tell you what. My number one go
to stain remover is now off porcelain. You've probably heard
me talk about it as a Jaws product called the
Cream Cleanser. Yes, I heard you speak about that to me.
That's about the that's that so far, it's been my
(36:51):
go to uh uh thing. The other the other thing
I used to use a lot would be it's an
oxalic base, and it's a product you got in your
home and probably is barkeeper's friend. It's a it's a
good porcelain cleaner, good stainless steel cleaner. And I've used
that many, many times. The cream cleanser has outperformed that.
(37:14):
But if you got some barkeeper's friend, you might want
to try that.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Okay, I don't have barkeeper's friend. Yeah, I'm trying to.
It's barkeeper's friends, you know. If it has like the
extra ingredients, I try to stay away from the chemicals
as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Well, it's oxolic acid, but it's a powder. It's not
a strong acid by any stretch of the imagination. It
doesn't have an odor. The cream cleanser doesn't really have
an odor either. It's not a real strong odor like
you'd do if you had bleach or something, right, right, Yeah,
(37:54):
I really.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Didn't want to go to the bleach route.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
I mean that the odor.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
And I read where it can be much a finish,
so I thought, I don't want to do anything that nature.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, I got Well, if it's porcelain, neither one of
those two products, and you probably get a little can
of Barkeeper's Friend for two or three bucks, So if
you want to try that first, it's it's really uh,
you know, all round good cleaner been around for probably
one hundred years, but for stainless sinks and porcelain tubs
(38:23):
and toilets, it does a pretty good job. I mean
I've used it on all kinds of things over the years.
And the cream cleanser, like I said, that's kind of
my new go to. I think it's a little stronger.
I don't know what's in it, but does a good
job even on a glass I got halogen stovetop with
(38:44):
a glass and there's sometimes food or you know, when
the pot boils over, you get that stain on that
glass top. Very difficult to remove, and that that cream cleanser. Man,
it makes quick work out of it, So I'm kind
of kind of sold on that particular one right now.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Okay, perfect, okay, let me go get those two products
and give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
All right, Lisa, thank you, take care all right? Patrick, welcome,
Hey Gary, how you doing doing great? Thanks?
Speaker 7 (39:18):
Yeah, I just had a little note for the lady
who has had the issue with the painting of the paneling.
We just did that at my grandmother's house. And what
we ended up doing was we were having trouble getting
the paint to stick in the cut areas, you know,
where it's kind of rough in the lines, right, So
we ended up going with aerosol kills to get that
(39:38):
and that helped tremendously. It's saved so much time. And
you know, because it's just getting that paint into that
rough area and getting covered, it's such a pain in
the button.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Oh, you just take it till.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
We just took the kills and just spray all the
lines out and cut and rolled everything. And the ways
hers was set up, it was like the bottom half
of the wall, or like the bottom of the third
of the wall was the panel with a bolding around, right.
We painted that white with white semigloss and then put
the wall color. It was like a you know, a
contractor base, and it made it pop so good and
(40:09):
oh yeah, good so and you know, the real or
was like, you know what, We're really glad we didn't
end up ripping it all down and do and draw
all over the whole thing because it just added a character.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Like, well, I was just getting ready a friend of mine,
he's got gosh, it's almost like a four seasons room,
but it is not. It's how it's part of the house,
and he's got the older windows. And then underneath the
chair rail he had that panting paneling and he did
the same thing. He painted that out. And I was
(40:41):
going to use the word character too. I mean, you
can still kind of tell it was paneling, but it
looked cool and it really kind of matched the house.
When I haven't done it for a long time, it's
probably been twenty years. I used to use the not
that kills total one, but I would use the actual
(41:01):
original kills with a brush and me and it would
be that that that saw cut at least the ones
I were doing. It just sucked that in. I mean,
I didn't have trouble with it not sticking. I was like,
sometimes you have to put a second coat on it.
But I like the idea of spring and I think
that could be a big time time saver. I've never
(41:22):
even really thought of that, so that's a good take.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Well.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
And also if you you know, if they get into
you know, trying to put drawa over it or trying
to you know, spackle all those lines, you're looking at
a lot of prep. I mean, that's going.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
To be a very expensive job, and I.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
Think that they would probably be pleased, especially if they're
just selling it just to paint it. Man, I would
highly recommend this because having done drawwall work in the past,
you know, it's that you've got a lot of opportunity
for a lot of divots and a lot of a
lot of bad looking wall if you go thero out
of trying to spackle all that.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, yeah, well that's true. And even you know, sometimes
even using not a good quality paint can get you
in trouble over over paneling too, if there's a lot
of flux of that paneling and there is unsown.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
Oh yeah, the prep prep.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Key, no doubt. And you know, one of the things, man,
did you wash that paneling down or anything along those
lines before you.
Speaker 7 (42:23):
Did, or yeah, we use that thing it's called.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah good good. I didn't even talk to her about that.
I knew she was going to get a painter in there,
and I'm sure they would do that. But a lot
of times back in that day, when that paneling was
big boy, people would use pledge and uh Murphy's oil soap,
and there is an oil component to that and without
getting that off that can that can be problem for paint.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
Uh yeah, I think we used that trossodium phosphate powder. Yeah, yep, Yeah.
My grandfather had some in his shop and I was like,
I'll look it up. I was like, well, we're just
going to be paying over it to strip it all
down and it.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Did it job very good. All right, Patrick, Well, thank
you very much for your input. I appreciate it. Thank you.
All right, let me give you the phone number. We'll
take a break at the top of the hour course
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Well, it's the weekend. Welcome at home with Gary Sullivan.
Another weekend getting a few things done around the home.
Glad you could join me and boy. A lot of
parts of the country very cold. I think I don't
have the exact percentage now, I kind of forget, but
I saw on the weather forecast like snow cover throughout
the United States, and last week was forty seven percent
(00:52):
something along those lines, which was higher than it's been
in a while. So that means cold temperatures have certainly
settled in. And always kind of remains me to remind
you to pay attention to pipes that could freeze. I
know we warn you a lot in September and August,
but you know, it's never a problem till it's a problem.
(01:14):
It's hard to think ahead. And you know, if you
ended up with a frozen pipe, you may not even
know it. And I was talking to somebody this week,
I said, you know, when you have a frozen pipe, really,
how do you know you have a frozen pipe? When
the water doesn't come out of the faucet. That's how
most people know they got a frozen pipe. Right, Hopefully
(01:37):
it's not when the pipe is frozen and the copper
splits and water starts spraying. Hopefully it's not that, because
that certainly can happen. But I know, I think in
my entire life, we have one frozen pipe on Christmas morning,
daughter's bathtub. Wasn't getting a water pipe in the adda
(02:01):
wasn't in the uh, in the cavity with the insulation.
When they built a house, they missed. That's how we
found out. So we got into really talking about falling
a pipe. And you know, no open flames. That's that's
number one one. No, don't use a torch, please, hair dryer. Sure,
(02:24):
heating picture, but you can usually see where the pipe
is frozen. Sometimes it'll be frost on the outside of it.
And uh, but slow heat, no open flame, and uh,
if you got pecks, uh, you know the pecks plumbing,
(02:44):
same way, heat just degraded. If you got a heat gun,
you can use that on copper, maybe on medium heat.
If you got pecs, maybe on low heat. Maybe just
stick with the hair dryer. Outside of that then solve
the problem either wrapping it with an insulating sleeve or
(03:07):
getting some insulation around it. But mainly it's an older
house issue. If it hasn't been. You know, maybe the
same people had the house for years and years and years,
and you know they would address it when it got
real cold or something along those lines, and they sell
the house and new people get it and they're not
(03:29):
I don't know the history of the house, and you
got to do a little inspection. Outside walls. That's a placeboy,
that's the first place you want to look. Plumbing running
on outside walls and homes built prior to nineteen seventy,
that's a really good place you'll find. You'll find the
need for some insulation or maybe even a heat tape
(03:52):
outside walls, garages, cross spaces, attics, areas that are normally
not heated. Basically is what should looking for. And with
all the preaching we did in September in August about
or probably October. September and October about disconnect the hose
on the outside faucet, I hear everybody talking about that now.
(04:15):
It's pretty interesting because probably fifteen years nobody talked about that.
I think that's uh. Everybody thought, oh, I got a
frostproof faucet. I don't have to do anything, And in
a way, you really don't, except for one thing, not
so much the faucet, But you got to take the
hose off the faucet. Otherwise, if you turn off the
(04:36):
UH faucet and the hose is filled with water, that
water has nowhere to go kind of back up, back
flows back into the faucet into that pipe that is
supposed to be frostproof. Well it's not, because we enclculate
all that water standing water in a hose. But if
you disconnected the hose drains, then you're good. Then you're
(04:58):
good unless you got the old type landscaping faucet where
you got a valve just inside the house. Right behind
where that UH valve is, there'll be a little valve
inside the house with a little cap on it. Just
turn that off and unscrew that cap and back drain
it and you're good. So anyway, let's open up the
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can cause you problems down the road. And of course
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we're always talking about humidity and it's dry and cold
outside right now, so it's probably a little uh Chillian
dry in your house. So remember that number, thirty five percent.
That's about where we want to be, and that's in
the living quarters. I to do actually put my thermostatic back
(06:05):
on my easy breathe. I got a humidifier, and I
got a do humidifire. Do you minify we're not using
right now, but the humidifiers putting in some moisture. My
in my living quarters today was thirty six percent. Absolutely
(06:26):
as close to perfect as you can get, but still
felt a little dry. And you know, I'm always talking
about stack effect. You know, like in the summertime, if
you got humidity seventy percent down in your basement, your
living quarters might be sixty percent and upstairs might be
fifty percent, but it's marching up armor. When I went
(06:47):
downstairs the other day, the basement humidification was twenty five percent.
And that's where we're exchanging error bringing the dryer downstairs.
They dry in that basement. So I turn the therma
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(07:07):
will actually shut off when it's like thirty five percent,
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(07:32):
Let it get a little dampness in there, dampness meaning
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it controlled that way. So we've talked a lot about
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little too dry down here. I don't know if I've
(07:52):
ever said that about my basement. So we can chat
about that also, we can. Uh, there's so many things
going on right now. We got that as I was
talking with Ron Wilson. We had the Color of the
Year by Pantone finally came out, Cloud Dancer. It's an
off white white. He's g real pale gray, very pale,
(08:13):
and everybody was all, abouz, the color of the year
is white. What's going on? You know? But as we've
chatted a lot, White's becoming a big player on the
outside of home. So you've probably seen him in your neighborhood. Uh,
especially if you live in a I'm seeing it where
people are transitioning. Man, I'm not sure I would do
(08:34):
this to my house like ever. And that's when you
got a you know, twenty five thirty year old brick
home and you're gonna paint that brick white. Just I mean,
it totally totally changes the looks of the house. They
painted white and then you do all your trim and black.
But I'll tell you when it's done, it does look sharp.
(08:57):
It does look sharp. The house is that I don't
like a new subdivisions now, and I see this is
they've done the black trim, but they left the brick
that looks like the haunted house. Stay away from that house, kids.
So uh anyway, the color of the Year by Pantone
and they are the experts. It is a cloud Dancer.
(09:19):
Well just an off white. All right, we're gonna take
a break and Richard you'll be up first, So sit tight.
Our phone number is eight hundred and eight two three
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mister unforgettable. Ron Wilson is joining us, even though it's
December and is probably not at the top of our minds.
And Ron I did. I told Richard he'd be up first,
but I forgot the gardening segment, and there's gardening to
do inside. So Richard, if you could just sit tight,
we'll get we'll chat with Ron here.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Wait, Gary made a mistake?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Who I did? I did? I should you know? I
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Speaker 3 (12:44):
I just want you to know. My parents home we
lived in Greensburg, Indiana. Uh huh was a peace home.
Oh okay, and my father actually helped build a house,
but was red brick, white trim and black shutters.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And it wasn't a haunted house.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well I think it. I shouldn't have said that, but
there is a home and I passed originally. It is
a beautiful home. I mean it truly is. It's a beautiful,
beautiful home and very very well maintained. And this year
they painted. I couldn't. I can't even tell you what
they eat. Trim was on that home, but I don't remember,
(13:24):
but they painted the trim in black. But the brick
it's it's kind of like a chocolate brown, Okay, and
it just it it just doesn't look warmy, it doesn't
look It doesn't work for me, not to say it
doesn't work for somebody. Yeah, just it. Gosh, it's just
(13:47):
the wrong color of brick. It's too dark. The brick
is too dark for a black trim.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Maybe they need cloud dancer.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yeah, they need a little cloud dancer. Color of the Year,
my pantum fellaly got around to it. I love it.
I think it's kind of like a sand of beard.
What Santa Beard?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Oh, okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Gonna be a color of your next year. It's gonna
be all white too. It's gonna be a whitish yellow.
It's gonna be called Santo Beard. And the runner up
is gonna be called Cheeto fingers.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
It's gonna be a orange.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
What do you think I think we had to get
a job naming colors.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I think it'd be a blast.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, well, how about how about Dead House playing brown?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Yeah, that would work.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm telling you the descriptive.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Sit around a table and then when they need plants anymore,
all that I think that, you know, you'd get a
couple of bottles of wine subourbon.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
That's it and just sounds better. But yeah, dead playing
out dead brown. Yeah, I mean it's got chocolate moose.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Uh huh uh huh.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And then we got point set of a red say
coming all kinds of colors now, don't they.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You can get them custom painted to whatever color you want.
That's that's still that's maybe a multi color kind of
not flying with a lot of garden centers, but that's
available now. They have a floral paint that you can
you know, if you've got a purple you can come by,
yeah and nel spray paint with a little bit of
a glitter on there and then make them whatever color
(15:14):
you want. You know what I am getting On a
serious note? Uh And well that's serious because they do that.
But I get emails all the time, and I got
one this past week from my brother in law sent
me a example of hostas that he found on the internet.
There were multiple colored blue, pink, red, purple.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I'm not digging that either.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Well they His question was is this for real or
is this BS? And it's not real, it's it's AI
generated and these I mean, if you see these colors, Gary,
they're fluorescent reds, and and and and and the one
plant had all the different colors on each leaf.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Okay, so tell me this. Why do people want to
do that? I mean, not not color them, but want
to put something out like that.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I don't know, but there's actual websites and the kicker
is like and you probably tell people the same thing
with home improving products. If it looks too good to
be true, you know the old saying it typically is,
and there's a product that you know, Okay, those colors
are no plan has those colors. First of all, right, Secondly,
if those were available, don't you think every garden center
(16:24):
would be growing.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Those because they're ugly?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Well, it is ugly, but everybody wants to see what
they look like.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Everybody wants to be trendy.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Everybody would happen. And third they sell you the seed.
Oh no, and nobody grows hostas from seedeed. It's all
from rooted roote divisions, the clump divisions. And so it's
a it's a it's a hoax and why And I've
gotten a bazillion emails about that, and some pogonias and
some other things that they've done this to and it's
(16:53):
not real.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Understand what the honest to goodness like, I think I'm
gonna come up today and have put a whole line
of two headed hammers.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Together or something.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I don't know. It's like, it's like, why are you
doing that? And first of all, even the hostesses, you
know I'm a crmungeon to day. Let me tell you.
With all the different colors, I just want a red point.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well you know what one is. I love red obviously,
Whites are nice, and I like pink, and I like
some of the marbles. I mean those are those are okay,
I like those. But when you start looking at these
blues and purples and glitter glitter on there and you
can match it to your wall color but whatever color
of the year it was, and uh no, it's just like, nah,
(17:43):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, I've always craved a blue gold glitter hostas in
my backyard blue and gold. I always wanted one, maybe
with a sprinkling of red too, or fluorescent orange. Simn't
you ever said that you looked at that night.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
I'll send you this link. I mean, you'll look at
these colors and you go who you will say exactly
what you said. Why would you even want that in
your garden?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
My rabbits would go crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
They'd come back, they want to go.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Check out that blue hostess. That house over there is
I'm not eating nutstuff now.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
See there are actually blue hostas blue leafd TSSA. That's
a category, but it's a green blue. It's not blue blue.
But yeah, it's just crazy. So we're seeing that more
and more even in our industry, and a lot of
times in some of the seed catalogs. You should to
be careful because they would do a little color enhancing,
you know, is it really that red? Is it really
(18:38):
that pink?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
So what are they gonna do? Buy the seeds and
then be very disappointed. Yeah, why would a seed company
want to do that?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Well, it's somebody that's just selling these. It shows the progression.
So it shows when they come up they're green, and
that they turn to these colors. So if you do
get the seeds to come up and they it's hard
to grow them from seed, they will start out green.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
I can't wait to get me a pink tomato.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Oh that's available, of course it is blue amato.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Fine with me, Thank you?
Speaker 3 (19:12):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
You're lightning. I'm always run well.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I'm that unforgettable type of a person.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
There you are, there you go, Thanks buddy, appreciated. All right,
Ron Wilson, you can check it out Ron Wilson online
dot com and we'll come back and yes, Richard and
Betty will be next. I promise at home with Gary Sullivan.
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Another weekend getting a few things done around the home.
Happy to have you. It's eight hundred eight two three
eight two five five Richard. Thank you for hanging on.
I appreciate it. Hello, yes, sir, uh my question.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I've been a contractor for years and people are spraying
foam insulation against the roof deck of houses and ceiling
addicts off and I don't think that's right for the
insulation to be a deck directly against the roof deck.
How do you cool the insulation? Years ago, I had
(22:56):
a guide tell me my air conditioner runs all night.
And I looked at his else and there was no
ventilation in the attic and only like six inches insulation,
and he he had me insulate that and with the ventilation.
I told him now that he's not going to go
down every inch of your insulation until your ceilings as
(23:17):
hot as the attic. And he said, after a couple
of weeks after I did it, he goes my ericanice
just shuts off at nine o'clock. He says, good, I
just don't see how that falls well against it.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, if you you know, being a contractor, you've seen
things just evolve. And I'm not saying, were you in Nebraska? Yeah, yeah,
So things evolve and they DeVault as they develop. It's
usually different ranges of the company. So you know, the
whole story houses, you know, we had we had no ventilation,
(23:58):
so Zaddi Scott. You know, one hundred and forty degrees.
We had insulation on the floor of the attic of course,
to trying to kind of buffer that so that heat
doesn't get down into the house. And then in the
seventies we started you know, doing ventilation with softa venting
and ridge venting and having convection. Even ninety degree temperatures
(24:20):
outside were cooler than one hundred and forty degrees in
the attic, and you know, we used the attic as
a chimney. We put a ridge vent up there. The
hot air went out, the cooler air, even though it
was ninety degrees came in. But about twenty five years
ago down in the southeast, they started what they call
(24:41):
a whole house encapsulation. And what it was was, even
with ventilation, those air handlers that were up in attics
just were working really hard and they started encapsulating the
whole attic. So so they weren't really necessarily worrying about
(25:02):
the insulation on the floor anymore. They were focused underneath
the roof to not allow that heat to penetrate through
the shingles and through the roofing, decking and heat up
that attic. And they didn't bring in you know, there
wasn't ventilation. They did the walls, they did the underneath
of the ceiling, and quite honestly, a lot of them
(25:25):
even took up insulation off the floor of the attic.
And what they and they didn't air condition the attic,
but they let the natural uh, it was a semi
conditioned space. In other words, it was keeping the heat out.
The cool from the air conditioner worked its way into
(25:46):
the attic and you know, it kept it you know,
the same I don't know if it was the same temperature,
I shouldn't say that, but let's say a palatable temperature
in the attic, and that that hit proved to be
especially if you had air handlers in the attic. You know,
(26:08):
a good way it was another way, let's put it.
That way is another way. And you know, I'm our
flagship station's in Ohio, and there's probably some houses that
have whole house encapsulation in addicts, but it's still more
of a real hot temperature geography where they're using that.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I just don't understand why you don't need airspace above
the foam for to cool the foam. That heat, if
it don't get dissipated, it just starts working its way
through the insulation and pretty soon, pretty soon your AC
is cooling the wall that's a hundred degrees because it's
(26:52):
not cooling itself.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, well, i'd have to do. I mean, it's proven
successful and been there twenty twenty five years, but I
guess I can't really explain it to you in simple
terms without kind of going back and researching. And I
don't have it. I'm not really in a zone that's
using it a lot, but I do know and in fact,
it's it's gaining in popularity quite honestly.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Well, yeah, I know that.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
You know, I don't know a lot of your different
roofing materials now also a little bit of a radiant barrier,
so you minimize solar heat gained through shingles. I know
metal roofing, their coatings are very much a radiant barrier
built into that metal roofing. So you know, I don't
know if it's there yet, but you know, in those
(27:41):
areas it functions quite well. Whether it continues to grow,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Well, all right, thanks for the call, Richard, I appreciate it.
Let's go to Betty.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Betty, welcome, thank you for taking my call. I'm getting
ready to put my house up for sale, and it
was built in seventy six. Though I have the paneling
in the rick room. Okay, how do I cover that over?
I've had somebody say paint it, somebody said dry wall
(28:15):
over it. Somebody said put like a plaster type of
thing over it. What's your idea?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Well, you can do all kinds of things, and I
think you name some of them. I think the question
is what do you want it to look like when
you're finished? I mean, if you paint it, it's going
to look like paint, okay, And if you dry wallet,
it's going to be a little bit of work, right,
I mean, you're gonna take that paneling off. You might
(28:45):
look at maybe putting quarter inch drywall over the paneling.
That could be an option. There's also something called wall liner,
which is a cloth with a little It comes in
different patterns. It's got a little stipple on it, like
a popcorn, and it's got a little swirl like plaster,
and it hangs horizontally. You would have to come and
(29:08):
you know, fill all the the the salt cuts in
the paneling to make those smooth, and you do that
with a you know, topping compound or drywall mud, something
along those lines. So you know, there's there's a few
things you could do right there. There's new types of covering.
(29:30):
You've probably even seen commercials. It's almost like a for
Michael wall panel, and I'm seeing some of that being used,
especially in in closets and things like that. That could
be actually installed over the paneling too. So you're either
going to cover it up or tear down and put
drywall up.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
Well, the thing is with selling it, I really don't
want to put a fortune into it. So the one
real estate lady said, fill in the lines with some
kind of a product and then just paint it. But
I don't, I don't remember what, So that.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeap, so that you can. That would be similar if
I was saying when I was talking about the wall covering,
So those salt cuts, that's those lines. First of all,
they would have to be primed, so you would use
like a Kills primer and you would paint those lines,
and then you would use like a dry wall topping
(30:35):
compound and you would fill those lines with that like
a plaster if you will, okay, and you can even
you can even get that where it dries. It actually
cures in like forty five minutes, okay. And then after
it dries, you know, lightly sand and then you would
(30:55):
prime that and you really would prime everything. Then you'd
prime over the popping compound, you would prime the paneling,
and then you would put a finished coat of paint
over the whole wall. And basically your your purpose there
is to just make it smooth.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
So which would be the simplest.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
The simplest is to just paint it and leave the lines.
It will still look like paneling. The next step would
probably the less expensive and the simplest, would probably get
a painter in there and just have him fill the
saw cuts, you know, primate, fill the saw cuts, prime, and.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Paint okay, and irregular painter would this type of job?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Sure, sure, sure, okay. But and then your next step,
your next easiest step, would be a wall liner. So
when you start talking to a painter, you know he's
probably going to give you some options too, So talk
to him about filling the all cuts, priming, and painting
that you want that paneling to look like a smooth,
(32:06):
paintable wall. How close can you come to that? Love,
It depends on the type of paneling and everything else,
but it can be done. It was something that was
done a lot to you know, ten fifteen years ago,
quite honestly, just when people started lightening the rooms up
a little bit. But eh, get yourself a good painter
and have a discussion with them, and I think you'll
come up with a solution.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
All right, thanks so much.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
You're quite welcome, Betty. Thank you, Lisa. You'll be up next.
We're going to take a break. If you'd like to
join us, love to have you it's eight hundred eight
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It's eight hundred A two three eight two five five
and let's go to Lisa. Lisa.
Speaker 6 (35:34):
Welcome, Hi, good morning, Gary.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
How are you doing fine? Thank you good.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
I listen to your show every week. I've learned so
much get great advice from areas I'm not currently working on.
It's great advice, nonetheless, so thank you for all you've
done for these many years.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
You're welcome.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
You got a question for you, Gary, all right, do
you have a remedy for moving turmerg stains from a
porcelain bathtub? And they gave you a little bit a time.
Let me tell you what I tried already. I tried vinegar, baking,
sod of lemon, juice, hydrogen peroxide, cream of tartar and butter.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And what are we trying to remove? I missed what
we were trying to remove.
Speaker 6 (36:20):
That's no worries. Turmerg stains from a porsa, a glossy
finished porcelain bathtub.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Hmm, well, I'll tell you what. My number one go
to stain remover is now off porcelain. You've probably heard
me talk about it as a Jaws product called the
Cream Cleanser. Yes, I heard you speak about that to me.
That's about the that's that so far, it's been my
(36:51):
go to uh uh thing. The other the other thing
I used to use a lot would be it's an
oxalic base, and it's a product you got in your
home and probably is barkeeper's friend. It's a it's a
good porcelain cleaner, good stainless steel cleaner. And I've used
that many, many times. The cream cleanser has outperformed that.
(37:14):
But if you got some barkeeper's friend, you might want
to try that.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Okay, I don't have barkeeper's friend. Yeah, I'm trying to.
It's barkeeper's friends, you know. If it has like the
extra ingredients, I try to stay away from the chemicals
as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Well, it's oxolic acid, but it's a powder. It's not
a strong acid by any stretch of the imagination. It
doesn't have an odor. The cream cleanser doesn't really have
an odor either. It's not a real strong odor like
you'd do if you had bleach or something, right, right, Yeah,
(37:54):
I really.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Didn't want to go to the bleach route.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
I mean that the odor.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
And I read where it can be much a finish,
so I thought, I don't want to do anything that nature.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, I got Well, if it's porcelain, neither one of
those two products, and you probably get a little can
of Barkeeper's Friend for two or three bucks, So if
you want to try that first, it's it's really uh,
you know, all round good cleaner been around for probably
one hundred years, but for stainless sinks and porcelain tubs
(38:23):
and toilets, it does a pretty good job. I mean
I've used it on all kinds of things over the years.
And the cream cleanser, like I said, that's kind of
my new go to. I think it's a little stronger.
I don't know what's in it, but does a good
job even on a glass I got halogen stovetop with
(38:44):
a glass and there's sometimes food or you know, when
the pot boils over, you get that stain on that
glass top. Very difficult to remove, and that that cream cleanser. Man,
it makes quick work out of it, So I'm kind
of kind of sold on that particular one right now.
Speaker 6 (39:03):
Okay, perfect, okay, let me go get those two products
and give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
All right, Lisa, thank you, take care all right? Patrick, welcome,
Hey Gary, how you doing doing great? Thanks?
Speaker 7 (39:18):
Yeah, I just had a little note for the lady
who has had the issue with the painting of the paneling.
We just did that at my grandmother's house. And what
we ended up doing was we were having trouble getting
the paint to stick in the cut areas, you know,
where it's kind of rough in the lines, right, So
we ended up going with aerosol kills to get that
(39:38):
and that helped tremendously. It's saved so much time. And
you know, because it's just getting that paint into that
rough area and getting covered, it's such a pain in
the button.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Oh, you just take it till.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
We just took the kills and just spray all the
lines out and cut and rolled everything. And the ways
hers was set up, it was like the bottom half
of the wall, or like the bottom of the third
of the wall was the panel with a bolding around, right.
We painted that white with white semigloss and then put
the wall color. It was like a you know, a
contractor base, and it made it pop so good and
(40:09):
oh yeah, good so and you know, the real or
was like, you know what, We're really glad we didn't
end up ripping it all down and do and draw
all over the whole thing because it just added a character.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Like, well, I was just getting ready a friend of mine,
he's got gosh, it's almost like a four seasons room,
but it is not. It's how it's part of the house,
and he's got the older windows. And then underneath the
chair rail he had that panting paneling and he did
the same thing. He painted that out. And I was
(40:41):
going to use the word character too. I mean, you
can still kind of tell it was paneling, but it
looked cool and it really kind of matched the house.
When I haven't done it for a long time, it's
probably been twenty years. I used to use the not
that kills total one, but I would use the actual
(41:01):
original kills with a brush and me and it would
be that that that saw cut at least the ones
I were doing. It just sucked that in. I mean,
I didn't have trouble with it not sticking. I was like,
sometimes you have to put a second coat on it.
But I like the idea of spring and I think
that could be a big time time saver. I've never
(41:22):
even really thought of that, so that's a good take.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Well.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
And also if you you know, if they get into
you know, trying to put drawa over it or trying
to you know, spackle all those lines, you're looking at
a lot of prep. I mean, that's going.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
To be a very expensive job, and I.
Speaker 7 (41:38):
Think that they would probably be pleased, especially if they're
just selling it just to paint it. Man, I would
highly recommend this because having done drawwall work in the past,
you know, it's that you've got a lot of opportunity
for a lot of divots and a lot of a
lot of bad looking wall if you go thero out
of trying to spackle all that.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, yeah, well that's true. And even you know, sometimes
even using not a good quality paint can get you
in trouble over over paneling too, if there's a lot
of flux of that paneling and there is unsown.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
Oh yeah, the prep prep.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Key, no doubt. And you know, one of the things, man,
did you wash that paneling down or anything along those
lines before you.
Speaker 7 (42:23):
Did, or yeah, we use that thing it's called.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah good good. I didn't even talk to her about that.
I knew she was going to get a painter in there,
and I'm sure they would do that. But a lot
of times back in that day, when that paneling was
big boy, people would use pledge and uh Murphy's oil soap,
and there is an oil component to that and without
getting that off that can that can be problem for paint.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
Uh yeah, I think we used that trossodium phosphate powder. Yeah, yep, Yeah.
My grandfather had some in his shop and I was like,
I'll look it up. I was like, well, we're just
going to be paying over it to strip it all
down and it.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Did it job very good. All right, Patrick, Well, thank
you very much for your input. I appreciate it. Thank you.
All right, let me give you the phone number. We'll
take a break at the top of the hour course
and then we'll come back and get some more questions answered.
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