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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, the best time of the day. I get to
say good afternoon and welcome now number four. You're at
home with Gary Salvin. The sun is out and looks
in like a great week of weather, and encourage everybody
to get outside and well take a walk around the home.
I know I say that all the time, but it
can't be emphasized enough. I guarantee you you'll find a
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few things that we're not there last October and start
your list, because there'll be some damage in the homes
this year. And I'm sure Ron Wilson's telling you the
same thing with the landscaping. But uh yeah, always a lot,
a lot of damage after a tough winner. And it's
been tough, all right. That being said, grab a line
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and we're talking home improvement. It's eight hundred eight two
three eight two five five and let's go to Chuck Chuck.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome, Hi, Gary, Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You bet.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
My question is I have nature Stone in my garage
and I've had it probably five or six years, and
I got their cleaner and stuff that I used on
it a couple of times a year. But like tire
tracks and the garage that go in, I can lighten
them up with that cleaner, but I can't get rid.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Of them totally. Is there any.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Dirt right, Yeah, it's just from the tires or dirt
or I don't know if it's rubber.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Or what it is, but yeah, it's just from the
tire tracks going well that and through all the gunk
we bring in the garage too. I had it. We
probably got our nature stone in our garage about the
same time you did, and I had them come out.
I couldn't get it out. I had them come out
and clean it and seal it. And because I couldn't
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get it clean, and I can tell you I watched
them do it, and I could have done it. I
didn't know to do that. But they had a pressure
washer and they had a a shop back and he
would hit that area and then take the shop back
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and go over it because it is there's some perosity
to it, because you know, it never puddles water, so
that dirt sometimes can get down below the surface. So
when he would pressure wash that, he would run the
shop back over it. And when we were finished with
the garage, I bet you there was I don't want
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to exaggerate, but I bet you there was five pounds
of dirt in that shop back bag or filter a
hour and it was absolutely it was clear. I don't know, well,
I know for a fact you wouldn't have got that
out with a cleaner, and I don't think you would
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have pressure washed it out. You know. It's almost like
it had to be sucked out and it looked great.
But I have to admit I didn't do I didn't
go out there and clean that thing three times a year.
I might have did it once in a spring, and
it was usually with a garden hose and I'd use
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a blower to blow leaves out of there. And there
was a bad winter literally, I'm must say five six
years ago, and that's when I started noticing these two
areas where the car pulled in. And I tried to,
you know, use a hose and use some cleaners and
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lightning it. It wasn't really getting it, so I think,
and my personal experience, Chuck was using a pressure washer
and a vacuum was the only way I would have
gotten it out. And it took it. It probably took
them four hours on two car garage. But I mean,
it looked great, so it can be done. But it's
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going to require a little.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Work, gotcha. I love the product.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I mean it's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. It is absolutely awesome.
And really, when you think about it's four hours of
work for like fifteen years worth of gunk. And it
didn't really it didn't really look that bad. It just
didn't look perfect, that's all. It's a great product for
a garage floor, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well, thanks for taking my call, Gary, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Having a good weekend, Hey, you do the same, Chuck. Thanks,
I appreciate it all right, line's open. It's eight hundred
and eight two three eight two five five Tom welcome,
Thank you Gary, Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
A long time listener, first time caller.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Last October. Last October, we paid a fair amount of
money to have a tarn chip driveway put in to
replace a gravel driveway. The street we live on is
tarn chip as well, so it kind of looks like
black top and I know it's tarn chip, and it
takes a long time for the driveway to, you know,
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transform from a lot of three in inch gravel sitting
on top of tar r that looked like a black
top road. They offered them to come out and charge
me another three grand to seal it. And I'm curious
if you have any idea about what product I might
put on it to seal it. I mean, right now,
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we had snowplow over the winter and it moves some
of the gravel around a little bit. We'll redeposit that
when it gets a little bit warmer. But I'm curious,
you know, if there's a material or something that I
can spray on that would kind of solidify it and
seal it, or you know what kind of idea.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You know what I'm I don't have a tarn chip.
I've not put in tarn chip, but I think it's
one of the neatest products around. But I'm really not
certain on the type of seiler or obviously if they're
trying to come back out and put a seiler on there,
that they're they're encouraging you to do that, right, Yes,
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so is it? I'll ask you either question.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
They they say it would work fine without it, but
you know that's they want to make another three grand.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah. Well, I'll be honest with you, That's kind of
what I was going to say, because I'm not familiar
with the seiler. I was going to say, well, I've
always been you know, kind of the advantage that you
don't have to do it. It's very low maintenance and
it doesn't need ceiling like asphalt. I always thought that
was one of the reasons why you would do that.
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It's certainly more durable than gravel. It's cheaper than asphalt.
So I don't know of a sealer. To be honest
with you, I don't know. Are you getting a lot
of loose stones? I know it does take a couple
of years for compact, you know, to compact perfectly, but yeah,
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I guess a liquid asphalt over the top of it.
Is that what they use. I don't even know. I
really don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I'm not really certain. I know that you know, over
the summer, of course, as the sun beats down on
the driveway and eats the guitar up underneath the rocks,
that as we keep driving on it, you know, it's
going to compress it down into the tar. And that
I'm guessing is how it ends up looking like a
blacktop driveway up blacktop road after some number of years.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
How did they did you say? A snowplow did the driveway?
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Yeah, we had somebody when.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
We had the ten inches of snow. Yeah, in January,
a kid I used to coaching football came out or.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Driveway for us.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
How did how did that work out? Because how how
did was there any damage done? Because I don't think
you really you know, snowplows and tarn chip don't go
together very well.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah, they don't go very well.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But he didn't damage it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You know, he moved some of the rocks.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, gravel, so some of that got moved around with
the plow. But you know, there's a pie. You know,
there was a pile at the end of the driveway
where he you know, stopped plowing and he picked up
rocks along the way. But you know it's been redistributed
a little bit. But yeah, it's they are too friendly
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to each other.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well again, I always thought that the tarn chip was
there and you know, no maintenance really needed. And I'm
not really positive of what type of product, but that
would be a good question asked to see exactly what
they were going to use. My guess is, you know,
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when they come back to take care of it, it
would be more of like repairs rather than you know,
a regular seal, unless they do a light application of
like an emulsion seiler or something along nose lines and
then you know, you know where the snowplow or there's
some loose gravel or something, just come back and do
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the patchwork with with like a I don't know, some
pea gravel and some cold patch asphalt.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, yeah, well I'll call him.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I'd like to just Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
A listener out there, Maybe there's a listener out there
that knows the question.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That would be great. I'd love to know the answer
to and I'll do a little more research. But I
I've always thought of tarn chip is it's it is
a great alternative. It's a great driveway. You go up
in Michigan, you see tarn chip roads everywhere, and uh,
I mean they're durable as heck. And I'm just not
familiar with a seialer on there. But again, an emulsion seiler,
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I would guess. But I'd like to see what he's
quoting for that three thousand dollars. If you get that,
you follow through with that, let me know. I'd love
to have that conversation. Okay, all right, take care, Thank
you much for the call. I appreciate it. Take a
little break and Dale and Bill. Sit tight. You're at
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home with Gary Salvin right here in fifty five care
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your home projects. It's eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Grab a line and let's go to
Dale Dale. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Hi there. I have a probably ten year old top
of the line LVT floor that is just looking tired.
I've seen online a couple of restoration products, but there
was no brand name that I recognize or anything. And
I kind of wonder if it's a coding the anhesion.
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I don't see how that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Would work well, So tell me on the LVT the
breath of product is wide? Does this look like stones?
It look like wood? Does it look like serum?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Looks like looks like wood? And probably three a stick
with a phone back and.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay, and it's is it looking worn or just dull.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Or what it's kind of dull? It looks it looks okay,
But then I clean with jaws and while it's wet,
it just looks phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, yeah, yeah, exactly, it looks good. There are products
I don't know if a brand name comes to mind
to me on what would rejuvenate it, But I kind
of go back, I'm sure there is. Have you been
to a store that you know, like a flooring store
where they have some of the cleaners and check that out.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
No, I just looked online and didn't recognize a brand,
so I thought i'd call you.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I don't have a I don't have one that I
would say, Oh, that's a real good one. But I'm
I know there used to be one. I think it
was called Rejuvenate and it was for all vinyl flooring,
and I'm sure that would work also on the luxury
vinyl floor So if if one of those brand names
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was called Rejuvenate or Rejuvenate all, and that's a that's
a go to product for the shinyl vinyl and probably
the lvt Uh. There's also one in the hardware category
or hardwood category, and I believe they make one too.
(12:43):
They always make really good products called Bona. And again,
if that was one of the ones that showed up,
either one of those two, I'd be fine with using.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Okay, I'll look into that very good. And when you
hit a call before on removing the sink, Yeah, and
you recommended piano wire. A lot of automotive a lot
of model motive stores have a braided wire they used
for pulling windshields out. Okay, it works really good. Yeah,
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you get a roller wire and a couple of wooden
handles for the end and and I don't even know
where you get piano wire, but just the braided wire
works really good.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, you know what, And that's great. And the guys
that maybe a guitar sturing and that probably worked too.
And even when you have that picture hanging with a
cable around it, have you ever seen that it's like
a solid wire a little thicker though, Yeah, yeah, it
is a little yeah. All right, well, thank you. That's
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another wire toolbox.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Could I have one more quick question? Okay, when you
were talking to him, and you've done it numerous times before,
you said, spray silicon or teflon on? It is there
a project or a task that one is better than
the other.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But I would say I used to always recommend teflon
because it was a little slicker than silicone. It was
uh work better in cold weather. And the only reason
I say both now isold. This is probably ten years ago.
I was with the people from blaster. You know, they
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do all the lubricits and they were emphatic that it
didn't matter. You know, you just don't use refined oil.
You can use the silicone or teflon. So you know,
if I go back to my roots, I say teflon,
but really a silicon or a teflon will do the job.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I think interchangeable.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, it pretty much is. Okay, good deal. All right,
thanks for the in quite welcome. Thanks for the call.
Appreciate it. You can join us. It's eight hundred eight
two three eight two five five and Bill, welcome THI
herey here are you doing fine? Thank you?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
All right, So here's my question. I've got a fiberglass
entry door. It was made by Mason I about.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Twelve years old.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Got sidelights on each side of the door, and then
it's got an oval leaded glass window on the main
entry door.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Okay, and we've.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
We've noticed that certain temperatures we're getting moisture in between
the paints. So h Mace Night has basically said, well,
there's not a lot we can do about it. And
it's long story short, Mace Night, it's not going to
do anything. And then you had suggested, like glass guru,
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and they stopped out and they said the problem with
the old Mace Night doors is that you can't replace
that middle.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I was just gonna ask you that.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of I gues that means that
I'd have to replace the entire entry to my house
twelve years later and go.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
To like a Probia or something. Apparently theirs you can replace.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, yeah, you thought, well, So I got a Thermatrue
door in mind, it's twenty six years old, and the
seal broke on that I'm gonna say at about fifteen
years okay, so ten years ago, and it was and
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it was replaceable also, and so it was Thermatrue, it
was the door brand name, and they warranted that seal
for twenty years. And I replaced that panel. They sent
me a new leaded glass that had a little brass
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design on the inside, and I think it was Jerriett
McKay blumber actually put me in contact and they sent
the panel and we and we replaced it. And I
didn't know that the Mason I brand, you know, you
couldn't replace him. But do you have any idea? Did
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you ask them what the warranty on that seal on
that piece of glass.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Was I think they said it was ten years.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
They said, the problem is you can't replace it.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
They said, well our new towards.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
That we sell now, you can replace them if you're interested. Yeah,
we can have a guy.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And I said, for ten grand, given Acra.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Handle on this. I don't think I want to go
back to Mason I again.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, yeah for ten Hey, there's an option here, and
I don't know if it'll work, but I'm just throwing
it out there. I believe there's a company called Cincinnati Door.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
This is also way back in the history files, okase.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'm assuming they're still in business. But they had a
really cool business. What they did is they would take
a solid door and if somebody wanted a glass panel
in it, they would take the door they bought up
your front, they take your door, they would recut a hole. Wow,
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and they would put in a glass Panel's got to
be cheaper than a new door. Yeah, sure, so I would.
I would check and see if they're in business. I
don't even know if they're in business anymore. I I
believe they are, but that would be the only way
you're going to get that panel out of there.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Some people say, well, you can grow a little hole,
and it's like, no, over.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Is it tempered glass? It is, it'll shatter.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. So that's not the solution.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
It's not the How old did you say your door is?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Twenty six years?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Wow? I will definitely check with Thermatru and and also
I'm looking Sincini door see if they're around. Yep, the
glass grew room. People were real, real nice, they said,
you know, unfortunately, Now what are your thoughts on Probia?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
It's a good door. There's a lot of good doors
out there. I haven't shot for doors for a while,
but there's a lot you know that that would have
been you know, it goes back to the same old thing.
When I bought the Thermature door, I never asked if
that glass could be replaced, right. It was a twenty
year warranty on the seal, which was good enough for me.
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I remember quizing them about that and it turned out
I'm glad I did.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I think pro Ba told me on the phone. I'm
pretty sure they said that that they've got lifetime warranty
as long as you're the owner of the door.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you on the seals on these doors,
you're probably dead on because on the seals of these
doors and windows too. I remember when there was like
a five year warranty, a ten year warranty, a twenty
year warranted and now a lot of times there are
lifetime warranties on the seals.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Sure well, I'll let you know how this works out.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Serious, right, for your health, Good luck, take care all right?
That bye bye? All right. Our phone number is eight
hundred eight two three eight two five. We take a
break and on the other side of the break right first,
I don't know I did I say it wrong again?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Come on eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
That's correct now I think I say it too fast,
don't you. Well, let's take a break, all right, we'll
continue with your called Ray. You'll be up first, and
you're at home with Gary Sullivan right here on fifty
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we go at home with Gary Sullivan taking your calls
regarding your home project. And let's get to Ray. Ray. Welcome, Hi,
How are you yes, sir? Fine? Thanks?
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Good Hey, listen, I have an outbuilding that has a
skid floor built on you know, built on a skid,
so to speak, that I want to put some I'm
putting insulation in this building. It's for storage. Uh, I
do a little bit of work out there right now.
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I don't have any heat in the building, but I'm
insulating this building. And when I bought my packages of insulation,
some came with the craft paper mm hmm, some did not.
Do I need to put a vapor barrier on the
inside wall.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Before I cover those walls.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Now I am covering them with OSB and putting the
glue side out, smooth side in so that I can
paint that.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well. The rule of thumb is you want to use
a vapor barrier on above grade applications. Now there are
above grades, so the quick answer is yes, okay, okay.
Then you got the caveat as it's not heated. Well,
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if it's not heated, I don't think you need a
vapor barrier. If you're going to heat it, I would
put a vapor barrier because we're the moisture problem comes in.
There's always gonna be air infiltration, and in that air
infiltration there will be moisture, humidity, water, vapor, and if
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you have hot air holds more water than cold air.
You've seen when it's been a really nice, warm day
and it's been really cold for three months, the concrete
even sweats, and that's the water vapor creating that condensation
that we don't want behind the wall. So if we're
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gonna heat it, you're gonna need that vapor barrier in
there to protect that from happening.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
Okay, okay, now let me ask you one more question.
What okay, what?
Speaker 7 (23:49):
What?
Speaker 8 (23:51):
What type of vapor barrier? I guess you know you
can't use a house wrap on that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
No, I would just use the paper vapor barrier. Don't wrap, fitting,
plastic or anything like that that's going to hold it in.
You'll never So the paper is somewhat permeable. It's not
like a thermal break, but it's helpful.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Okay, now, is it?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Is it just.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Like the roll of construction paper.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean yeah, that's pretty what it is.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Because I've never seen I've never seen the paper barrier.
I've always seen the home the outside barrier like uh
uh can be in the name of it now, but
the uh the barrier they use on the outside of
your plywood when you're building a hat.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Okay, yeah, Thermax or stuff like that. What is it,
the Thermax.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Yeah, Thermax and some of the others.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
And so.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
I've never seen a paper barrier that you could put
on a wall.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
You know, I'm.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Assuming you just put this on top of you or
two by four.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Us yeah, yeah, so yeah, the what I had envisioned.
I didn't ask you what the size of the cavities
were or anything, but like if you were going to
use fiberglass insulation, let's say fiberglass insulation, they could have
the vapor bearer, could be the insulation that's wrapped in plastic.
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We're not wrapping the wall in plastic, but the insulation
is wrapped in plastic and it's just kind of stuffed
in there. Or you can get the paper facing where
it has an overhang of about you know, half inch
on both sides, three cords of an inch. You put
the insulation in between the joists. It's a you know,
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sixteen inch on center, and a staple gun and put
the paper up right away, you know, I mean staple
gun the paper right onto the joys and the fiberglass
is stationary and it's in the the opening of the joye.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Right and that's the way I've got it now, okay.
And I have some some of the insulation came with
the craft paper attached, So yes, I'm putting that in
between the Joysus staple in it like I should. But
I have some unfortunately didn't notice it when I pulled
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them down. I have some that is straight fiberglass insulation
in bats, but they don't have the craft paper on them.
So the wall that I have insulated with the just
straight fiberglass, what do I cover that wall with as
a barrier?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Is it a whole? Well, I guess you could do
the craft paper. I'd rather see you do that than
the plastic. I mean you could run the plastic. You
could never run the plastic if you were below grade
because there's significantly more water vapor coming in. And what
we found back in the eighties and nineties is condensation
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would occur behind that wall and it was cold in
a basement, and it became a mold issue. When you're
above grade, it's less of an issue. Okay. So I
would say you could cover that wall with plastic or
like a roll of craft paper, just to create a
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little bit of a barrier. The paper is somewhat breathable.
Plastic is not breathable at all.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
Correct, Now, so the craft papers, that's something you can
readily is available.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, Plastic's going to be more available. I mean,
you get a four mili plastic roll, you know, ten
by twenty five? How big is this wall?
Speaker 8 (27:53):
Uh, thirty feet?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I don't think it's really going to hurt you. Above grade.
It's not something I really like to always recommend because
I'm always scared where people are going to put it.
But if it's above grade, you're you're gonna be all right.
It's you know that. Let me say, if water got
in there, could it disperse the water vapor through the
top of that?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
No, there's no.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, yeah, well you need a vapor bearrier there. So
you're going to have to put something there. You know,
even if you had a earth foam insulation, you've got
an option of open cell phone and closed cell phone,
and above the above grade you would have a closed
cell phone, which should be a vapor bearrier, which probably
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wouldn't be much different than plastic. So I put the
I'd probably put the plastic up. I think that's what
I would do.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Okay, so I can go either direction.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Really yep.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
And then one more question. This building came and it
had looked what looks like to me like m d
F on the floor. It's a it's a heavy thick
what looks like MD to me. If I covered that
with A if I put down a sub floor on
top of that, uh OSB, we'll work on that.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I don't know. I just don't know. I do know
that MDF is kind of a different What why was
that put on there to begin with?
Speaker 8 (29:35):
You know, well, I'm thinking that that's what it is
now it may be something else, but it looks like
it just looks it's that brown, kind of a.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Kind of a sow.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, so could it be masonite.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
It's possible, but it's not. It's not the hard thick
masonite now.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Mh And and you're saying, put the U s B
on that because you're going to do what.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
Well on top of that so that I have a
more solid structure. Oh, you're you know, to help that floor.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah. First, I'm saying you would be able to do that.
So you're just trying to get something smooth or more finished. Correct, Yeah,
I would say you could do that. It's where it's
going to get into trouble is when you start talking
about different types of If you were going to put
flooring on there, right, you know, the one thing you
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got to think about is the MDF. It can swell
and warp and buckle, right if it gets wet, whereas
you're you know, you're OSB board is going to be
more forgiving.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So so yeah, I guess if we're a high net,
we're Okay, what's underneath that that that's get to that flooring?
What what's underneath that? Is it on? It's on?
Speaker 8 (31:06):
Yeah, they're they're sixteen on center floor joists.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah. Is there any insulation or vapor bearrier under that? No,
not that I know of, So that that flooring could shift,
But with the OSB board on there and nailed down,
it's probably going to hinder it from shifting. It's just
that it can absorb that moisture.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Yeah, I'm thinking that this. When this was built, I'm
sure they put something.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Moisture on the floor under the slab.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
It would be under underneath somewhere.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yes, Yeah, and you can't get to that floor you
can't get to that Yeah, I'd say I'd probably take
the gamble yeah, I think that'll firm it up. It's
not ideal, but you know, you'd.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Firm it up. What I want to be I want
to cover some of that floor with the you know,
the vinyl plank. It's happened lot mm hmm. But I
want to use the flexible, not the hardcore, because in
case it does move, it's going to go with it.
It's not going to fall apart. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
And you got to remember too, when you when you're
when you get that flooring, if it's a you know,
if it's the flexible like a Connecto or something along
those lines, that'll become a vapor barrier also, but it
will be on top of it, right, So we not
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you know, below it. Right, So we're kind of really
hoping that underneath that slab there's a vapor barrier. I
guess as much.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
I'm thinking there is. I'm thinking underneath that floor there's
a vapor barrier of some type. Because they build these
buildings all the time and they put them outside, so
you know it pre built buildings brought in, it should
be there should be a vapor bearer.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, because if you got plastic underneath, you're not going
to have that moisture issue. If you have no plastic
underneath and you got plastic on top, there's nowhere for
it to breathe, and that's really where the problem would be.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Okay, all right, all right, we'll.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Hope that helps. We had to dig deep, so I
think you're on the right path though, So thank you
very much for the call. I appreciate it. We'll take
a break, we'll come back. We got Jerry. As we
work our way through the weekend. You're at home with
Gary Salvan right here in fifty five. Care see the
talk station, Well, twelve fifty it is. The sun's still out,
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so we're on a hot streak. It looks looking like
maybe the seventies at least a day maybe two this week.
That ain't all bad, all right, let's get back to
the phone calls. By the way, if you want to
jump on board, happy to talk about a question you
have regarding your home and Jerry welcome.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
Asked Gary, I have a covered porch with a deck
on it that is now a screen room, and I'd
like to put one days in it. And I have
a question about the insulation underneath the deck. M I
want to keep the existing deck naturally has gaps throughout.
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Do I put the paper of the insulation up or
do I put it down?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Or?
Speaker 7 (34:35):
And then I also want to know can I put
stuff in between the joys first? So I don't see
the insulation through the decking.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Well, here's the here's the issue, I guess is with
that type of wood, there's gonna be some expansion and contraction.
And when a deck is built, it's usually built that
that wood is going to well and then it's going
to shrink. So you actually putsive. Oh it's compositive. Okay,
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so it's snug then right, yes, it should be applied
where it's snug. So there is a gap.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
There is a gap like through the decking boards. I
mean there is a space, it is spaced. And so
I was wondering, I don't want to see the pink
consolation or if a drink gets dropped and moisture get
down it there, thinking about me putting black plastic there,
but I didn't know if that was going to create
an issue with condensation.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah. First, let me apologize because I said that other wrong.
Pressure treated wood is pushed together when it's installed because
it shrinks. Composite would use like a finished nail as
a gap as installer if you will, because it swells
during the summer heat. So I apologize for that. So
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we do have a gap. Now, is that is that
room we're gonna put windows in? Is it going to
be heated also?
Speaker 7 (36:08):
It will be heated yet.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Okay, so your your your your vapor barrier. The paper
is going to be to the warmest area, so it
will be up. It'll look like you're putting it in backwards.
The paper will go up under the base of the
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composite decking. And to keep it in place, you'll have
these wires that will straddle the inside portion of the joist.
That's what's going to hold it in place. So if
you wanted to take that paper vapor barrier and spray
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like a black paint on it, or put a piece
of black plastic underneath there and then push the uh,
you would have vapor bearrier on vapor barriers, so you're
not gonna hurt yourself and install it that way. That
would be good. Also, so the black plants.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
That won't cause any conversation issue.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
No, no, no, because your your your vapor barrier will
always go up to the warm side. So you know,
like if you're in an attic, that vapor bearrier is
going down on the backside of the ceiling facing the
bedroom or the family room. And uh, you're above grade,
so you should have you should have no issues with
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the vapor barrier at all. It should be doing its job, okay.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
And I was thinking about putting like at the bottom
of the joints and nail up like an insulation board.
Is that would that be okay to do?
Speaker 6 (37:48):
So?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Well? That might be better than doing all the other
quite honestly. I mean if you can get what what
type of insulain board you're talking like a four x
eight board or something like that.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
Yeah, like a.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
Yeah, it's like a fourm eighth sheet a half inch
insulation board.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Now is that with the foil on it too?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
I mean it could be. It's more or less I
guess to keep rodents or whatever out from underneath there
because it's it's probably only about maybe two feet off
the ground. It's enough to lay down in my work.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
But that's it.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I'll tell you. Let me make this. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're gonna have to go one way or the other.
I think you could put the insulating board and let
it be okay, and then put nothing in the joys
then huh, well not if you're gonna put that insulating
board up in there. I think you'd be fine if
you get it with a silver on there. You could
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paint that black. I think the best thing to be
really honest, I'd put foam.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
In there, like a like an insulating phone.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, I'd put I'd have a phone put in there.
There's so many other things that's just going through my head.
A lot of different things you could put in there,
even foam panels and have it black and might be
a pretty good alternative too. It's going to be more stable.
You can get it with a closed cell phone, which
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would be a vapor bearer. It would be less advantageous
for you know, an animal to get in there and
start tearing that up like a fiberglass would be.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Yes, okay, so it's kind of like a like that
blown in insulation, but it's a link what that that turns.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Hard to a yeah? Yeah? Yeah. So you know I
talk a lot about USA insallation where they pump a
foam into walls.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
The only thing I'd be concerned about, and I don't
have the answer for you, there is with that gap
and that composite, you don't want the phone coming up
on the inside. I wonder if they would put the
black plastic in there for you.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Okay, so well, I don't mind getting underneath there and
state went of blacktop as long as as long as
I ain't gonna call the problem with the conversation I'm
doing with that.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, I'm sorry to throw out all these ideas, but
you know I would kind of spitballing and thinking out loud.
I think the bottom line is, no matter what type
of insulation you want, you're gonna want to be two things. One,
you want to have a vapor barrier facing the inside
of the living quarters, and you want to have the
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insulation that's being used as much of a varmint deterrent
as you can. So thinking even of another idea is
maybe lining that bottom of that deck with like a
chicken wire or something along nose lines to just keep it,
you know, a little bit more stable. Hopefully that helps.
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I probably talked about too many things there to really
give you a final solution, but a lot of good
ideas there on which way to go. You just got
to have that vapor barrier in all right, Danny boy,
thank you very much. A busy day, busy last hour,
that's for sure, and a good lord willing we'll both
be back tomorrow for more At Home with Garry Sullivan
Well, the best time of the day. I get to
say good afternoon and welcome now number four. You're at
home with Gary Salvin. The sun is out and looks
in like a great week of weather, and encourage everybody
to get outside and well take a walk around the home.
I know I say that all the time, but it
can't be emphasized enough. I guarantee you you'll find a
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few things that we're not there last October and start
your list, because there'll be some damage in the homes
this year. And I'm sure Ron Wilson's telling you the
same thing with the landscaping. But uh yeah, always a lot,
a lot of damage after a tough winner. And it's
been tough, all right. That being said, grab a line
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and we're talking home improvement. It's eight hundred eight two
three eight two five five and let's go to Chuck Chuck.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome, Hi, Gary, Thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You bet.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
My question is I have nature Stone in my garage
and I've had it probably five or six years, and
I got their cleaner and stuff that I used on
it a couple of times a year. But like tire
tracks and the garage that go in, I can lighten
them up with that cleaner, but I can't get rid.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Of them totally. Is there any.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Dirt right, Yeah, it's just from the tires or dirt
or I don't know if it's rubber.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Or what it is, but yeah, it's just from the
tire tracks going well that and through all the gunk
we bring in the garage too. I had it. We
probably got our nature stone in our garage about the
same time you did, and I had them come out.
I couldn't get it out. I had them come out
and clean it and seal it. And because I couldn't
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get it clean, and I can tell you I watched
them do it, and I could have done it. I
didn't know to do that. But they had a pressure
washer and they had a a shop back and he
would hit that area and then take the shop back
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and go over it because it is there's some perosity
to it, because you know, it never puddles water, so
that dirt sometimes can get down below the surface. So
when he would pressure wash that, he would run the
shop back over it. And when we were finished with
the garage, I bet you there was I don't want
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to exaggerate, but I bet you there was five pounds
of dirt in that shop back bag or filter a
hour and it was absolutely it was clear. I don't know, well,
I know for a fact you wouldn't have got that
out with a cleaner, and I don't think you would
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have pressure washed it out. You know. It's almost like
it had to be sucked out and it looked great.
But I have to admit I didn't do I didn't
go out there and clean that thing three times a year.
I might have did it once in a spring, and
it was usually with a garden hose and I'd use
(03:13):
a blower to blow leaves out of there. And there
was a bad winter literally, I'm must say five six
years ago, and that's when I started noticing these two
areas where the car pulled in. And I tried to,
you know, use a hose and use some cleaners and
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lightning it. It wasn't really getting it, so I think,
and my personal experience, Chuck was using a pressure washer
and a vacuum was the only way I would have
gotten it out. And it took it. It probably took
them four hours on two car garage. But I mean,
it looked great, so it can be done. But it's
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going to require a little.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Work, gotcha. I love the product.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I mean it's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. It is absolutely awesome.
And really, when you think about it's four hours of
work for like fifteen years worth of gunk. And it
didn't really it didn't really look that bad. It just
didn't look perfect, that's all. It's a great product for
a garage floor, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Awesome.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Well, thanks for taking my call, Gary, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Having a good weekend, Hey, you do the same, Chuck. Thanks,
I appreciate it all right, line's open. It's eight hundred
and eight two three eight two five five Tom welcome,
Thank you Gary, Yes, sir.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
A long time listener, first time caller.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Last October. Last October, we paid a fair amount of
money to have a tarn chip driveway put in to
replace a gravel driveway. The street we live on is
tarn chip as well, so it kind of looks like
black top and I know it's tarn chip, and it
takes a long time for the driveway to, you know,
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transform from a lot of three in inch gravel sitting
on top of tar r that looked like a black
top road. They offered them to come out and charge
me another three grand to seal it. And I'm curious
if you have any idea about what product I might
put on it to seal it. I mean, right now,
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we had snowplow over the winter and it moves some
of the gravel around a little bit. We'll redeposit that
when it gets a little bit warmer. But I'm curious,
you know, if there's a material or something that I
can spray on that would kind of solidify it and
seal it, or you know what kind of idea.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You know what I'm I don't have a tarn chip.
I've not put in tarn chip, but I think it's
one of the neatest products around. But I'm really not
certain on the type of seiler or obviously if they're
trying to come back out and put a seiler on there,
that they're they're encouraging you to do that, right, Yes,
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so is it? I'll ask you either question.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
They they say it would work fine without it, but
you know that's they want to make another three grand.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah. Well, I'll be honest with you, That's kind of
what I was going to say, because I'm not familiar
with the seiler. I was going to say, well, I've
always been you know, kind of the advantage that you
don't have to do it. It's very low maintenance and
it doesn't need ceiling like asphalt. I always thought that
was one of the reasons why you would do that.
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It's certainly more durable than gravel. It's cheaper than asphalt.
So I don't know of a sealer. To be honest
with you, I don't know. Are you getting a lot
of loose stones? I know it does take a couple
of years for compact, you know, to compact perfectly, but yeah,
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I guess a liquid asphalt over the top of it.
Is that what they use. I don't even know. I
really don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I'm not really certain. I know that you know, over
the summer, of course, as the sun beats down on
the driveway and eats the guitar up underneath the rocks,
that as we keep driving on it, you know, it's
going to compress it down into the tar. And that
I'm guessing is how it ends up looking like a
blacktop driveway up blacktop road after some number of years.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
How did they did you say? A snowplow did the driveway?
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Yeah, we had somebody when.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
We had the ten inches of snow. Yeah, in January,
a kid I used to coaching football came out or.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Driveway for us.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
How did how did that work out? Because how how
did was there any damage done? Because I don't think
you really you know, snowplows and tarn chip don't go
together very well.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah, they don't go very well.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
But he didn't damage it.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
You know, he moved some of the rocks.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, gravel, so some of that got moved around with
the plow. But you know, there's a pie. You know,
there was a pile at the end of the driveway
where he you know, stopped plowing and he picked up
rocks along the way. But you know it's been redistributed
a little bit. But yeah, it's they are too friendly
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to each other.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well again, I always thought that the tarn chip was
there and you know, no maintenance really needed. And I'm
not really positive of what type of product, but that
would be a good question asked to see exactly what
they were going to use. My guess is, you know,
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when they come back to take care of it, it
would be more of like repairs rather than you know,
a regular seal, unless they do a light application of
like an emulsion seiler or something along nose lines and
then you know, you know where the snowplow or there's
some loose gravel or something, just come back and do
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the patchwork with with like a I don't know, some
pea gravel and some cold patch asphalt.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Yeah, yeah, well I'll call him.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, I'd like to just Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
A listener out there, Maybe there's a listener out there
that knows the question.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That would be great. I'd love to know the answer
to and I'll do a little more research. But I
I've always thought of tarn chip is it's it is
a great alternative. It's a great driveway. You go up
in Michigan, you see tarn chip roads everywhere, and uh,
I mean they're durable as heck. And I'm just not
familiar with a seialer on there. But again, an emulsion seiler,
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I would guess. But I'd like to see what he's
quoting for that three thousand dollars. If you get that,
you follow through with that, let me know. I'd love
to have that conversation. Okay, all right, take care, Thank
you much for the call. I appreciate it. Take a
little break and Dale and Bill. Sit tight. You're at
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home with Gary Salvin right here in fifty five care
see detalk station. All right, backhet, do we go at
home with Gary Salvin taking your calls, re going to
your home projects. It's eight hundred eight two three eight
two five five. Grab a line and let's go to
Dale Dale. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Hi there. I have a probably ten year old top
of the line LVT floor that is just looking tired.
I've seen online a couple of restoration products, but there
was no brand name that I recognize or anything. And
I kind of wonder if it's a coding the anhesion.
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I don't see how that.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Would work well, So tell me on the LVT the
breath of product is wide? Does this look like stones?
It look like wood? Does it look like serum?
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Looks like looks like wood? And probably three a stick
with a phone back and.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Okay, and it's is it looking worn or just dull.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Or what it's kind of dull? It looks it looks okay,
But then I clean with jaws and while it's wet,
it just looks phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Well, yeah, yeah, exactly, it looks good. There are products
I don't know if a brand name comes to mind
to me on what would rejuvenate it, But I kind
of go back, I'm sure there is. Have you been
to a store that you know, like a flooring store
where they have some of the cleaners and check that out.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
No, I just looked online and didn't recognize a brand,
so I thought i'd call you.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I don't have a I don't have one that I
would say, Oh, that's a real good one. But I'm
I know there used to be one. I think it
was called Rejuvenate and it was for all vinyl flooring,
and I'm sure that would work also on the luxury
vinyl floor So if if one of those brand names
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was called Rejuvenate or Rejuvenate all, and that's a that's
a go to product for the shinyl vinyl and probably
the lvt Uh. There's also one in the hardware category
or hardwood category, and I believe they make one too.
(12:43):
They always make really good products called Bona. And again,
if that was one of the ones that showed up,
either one of those two, I'd be fine with using.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Okay, I'll look into that very good. And when you
hit a call before on removing the sink, Yeah, and
you recommended piano wire. A lot of automotive a lot
of model motive stores have a braided wire they used
for pulling windshields out. Okay, it works really good. Yeah,
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you get a roller wire and a couple of wooden
handles for the end and and I don't even know
where you get piano wire, but just the braided wire
works really good.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Well, you know what, And that's great. And the guys
that maybe a guitar sturing and that probably worked too.
And even when you have that picture hanging with a
cable around it, have you ever seen that it's like
a solid wire a little thicker though, Yeah, yeah, it
is a little yeah. All right, well, thank you. That's
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another wire toolbox.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Could I have one more quick question? Okay, when you
were talking to him, and you've done it numerous times before,
you said, spray silicon or teflon on? It is there
a project or a task that one is better than
the other.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But I would say I used to always recommend teflon
because it was a little slicker than silicone. It was
uh work better in cold weather. And the only reason
I say both now isold. This is probably ten years ago.
I was with the people from blaster. You know, they
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do all the lubricits and they were emphatic that it
didn't matter. You know, you just don't use refined oil.
You can use the silicone or teflon. So you know,
if I go back to my roots, I say teflon,
but really a silicon or a teflon will do the job.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I think interchangeable.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, it pretty much is. Okay, good deal. All right,
thanks for the in quite welcome. Thanks for the call.
Appreciate it. You can join us. It's eight hundred eight
two three eight two five five and Bill, welcome THI
herey here are you doing fine? Thank you?
Speaker 5 (15:12):
All right, So here's my question. I've got a fiberglass
entry door. It was made by Mason I about.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Twelve years old.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Got sidelights on each side of the door, and then
it's got an oval leaded glass window on the main
entry door.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Okay, and we've.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
We've noticed that certain temperatures we're getting moisture in between
the paints. So h Mace Night has basically said, well,
there's not a lot we can do about it. And
it's long story short, Mace Night, it's not going to
do anything. And then you had suggested, like glass guru,
(15:56):
and they stopped out and they said the problem with
the old Mace Night doors is that you can't replace
that middle.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I was just gonna ask you that.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of I gues that means that
I'd have to replace the entire entry to my house
twelve years later and go.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
To like a Probia or something. Apparently theirs you can replace.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, yeah, you thought, well, So I got a Thermatrue
door in mind, it's twenty six years old, and the
seal broke on that I'm gonna say at about fifteen
years okay, so ten years ago, and it was and
(16:44):
it was replaceable also, and so it was Thermatrue, it
was the door brand name, and they warranted that seal
for twenty years. And I replaced that panel. They sent
me a new leaded glass that had a little brass
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design on the inside, and I think it was Jerriett
McKay blumber actually put me in contact and they sent
the panel and we and we replaced it. And I
didn't know that the Mason I brand, you know, you
couldn't replace him. But do you have any idea? Did
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you ask them what the warranty on that seal on
that piece of glass.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Was I think they said it was ten years.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
They said, the problem is you can't replace it.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
They said, well our new towards.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
That we sell now, you can replace them if you're interested. Yeah,
we can have a guy.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
And I said, for ten grand, given Acra.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Handle on this. I don't think I want to go
back to Mason I again.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, yeah for ten Hey, there's an option here, and
I don't know if it'll work, but I'm just throwing
it out there. I believe there's a company called Cincinnati Door.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
This is also way back in the history files, okase.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
I'm assuming they're still in business. But they had a
really cool business. What they did is they would take
a solid door and if somebody wanted a glass panel
in it, they would take the door they bought up
your front, they take your door, they would recut a hole. Wow,
(18:33):
and they would put in a glass Panel's got to
be cheaper than a new door. Yeah, sure, so I would.
I would check and see if they're in business. I
don't even know if they're in business anymore. I I
believe they are, but that would be the only way
you're going to get that panel out of there.
Speaker 7 (18:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Some people say, well, you can grow a little hole,
and it's like, no, over.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Is it tempered glass? It is, it'll shatter.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. So that's not the solution.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
It's not the How old did you say your door is?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Twenty six years?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Wow? I will definitely check with Thermatru and and also
I'm looking Sincini door see if they're around. Yep, the
glass grew room. People were real, real nice, they said,
you know, unfortunately, Now what are your thoughts on Probia?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
It's a good door. There's a lot of good doors
out there. I haven't shot for doors for a while,
but there's a lot you know that that would have
been you know, it goes back to the same old thing.
When I bought the Thermature door, I never asked if
that glass could be replaced, right. It was a twenty
year warranty on the seal, which was good enough for me.
(19:56):
I remember quizing them about that and it turned out
I'm glad I did.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
I think pro Ba told me on the phone. I'm
pretty sure they said that that they've got lifetime warranty
as long as you're the owner of the door.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, well, I'll tell you on the seals on these doors,
you're probably dead on because on the seals of these
doors and windows too. I remember when there was like
a five year warranty, a ten year warranty, a twenty
year warranted and now a lot of times there are
lifetime warranties on the seals.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Sure well, I'll let you know how this works out.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Serious, right, for your health, Good luck, take care all right?
That bye bye? All right. Our phone number is eight
hundred eight two three eight two five. We take a
break and on the other side of the break right first,
I don't know I did I say it wrong again?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Come on eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
That's correct now I think I say it too fast,
don't you. Well, let's take a break, all right, we'll
continue with your called Ray. You'll be up first, and
you're at home with Gary Sullivan right here on fifty
five KRC, the talk station. All right, back here do
(21:13):
we go at home with Gary Sullivan taking your calls
regarding your home project. And let's get to Ray. Ray. Welcome, Hi,
How are you yes, sir? Fine? Thanks?
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Good Hey, listen, I have an outbuilding that has a
skid floor built on you know, built on a skid,
so to speak, that I want to put some I'm
putting insulation in this building. It's for storage. Uh, I
do a little bit of work out there right now.
(21:48):
I don't have any heat in the building, but I'm
insulating this building. And when I bought my packages of insulation,
some came with the craft paper mm hmm, some did not.
Do I need to put a vapor barrier on the
inside wall.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Before I cover those walls.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
Now I am covering them with OSB and putting the
glue side out, smooth side in so that I can
paint that.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well. The rule of thumb is you want to use
a vapor barrier on above grade applications. Now there are
above grades, so the quick answer is yes, okay, okay.
Then you got the caveat as it's not heated. Well,
(22:51):
if it's not heated, I don't think you need a
vapor barrier. If you're going to heat it, I would
put a vapor barrier because we're the moisture problem comes in.
There's always gonna be air infiltration, and in that air
infiltration there will be moisture, humidity, water, vapor, and if
(23:13):
you have hot air holds more water than cold air.
You've seen when it's been a really nice, warm day
and it's been really cold for three months, the concrete
even sweats, and that's the water vapor creating that condensation
that we don't want behind the wall. So if we're
(23:35):
gonna heat it, you're gonna need that vapor barrier in
there to protect that from happening.
Speaker 8 (23:44):
Okay, okay, now let me ask you one more question.
What okay, what?
Speaker 7 (23:49):
What?
Speaker 8 (23:51):
What type of vapor barrier? I guess you know you
can't use a house wrap on that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
No, I would just use the paper vapor barrier. Don't wrap, fitting,
plastic or anything like that that's going to hold it in.
You'll never So the paper is somewhat permeable. It's not
like a thermal break, but it's helpful.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
Okay, now, is it?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Is it just.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Like the roll of construction paper.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean yeah, that's pretty what it is.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Because I've never seen I've never seen the paper barrier.
I've always seen the home the outside barrier like uh
uh can be in the name of it now, but
the uh the barrier they use on the outside of
your plywood when you're building a hat.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Okay, yeah, Thermax or stuff like that. What is it,
the Thermax.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
Yeah, Thermax and some of the others.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
And so.
Speaker 8 (24:52):
I've never seen a paper barrier that you could put
on a wall.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
You know, I'm.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Assuming you just put this on top of you or
two by four.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Us yeah, yeah, so yeah, the what I had envisioned.
I didn't ask you what the size of the cavities
were or anything, but like if you were going to
use fiberglass insulation, let's say fiberglass insulation, they could have
the vapor bearer, could be the insulation that's wrapped in plastic.
(25:23):
We're not wrapping the wall in plastic, but the insulation
is wrapped in plastic and it's just kind of stuffed
in there. Or you can get the paper facing where
it has an overhang of about you know, half inch
on both sides, three cords of an inch. You put
the insulation in between the joists. It's a you know,
(25:45):
sixteen inch on center, and a staple gun and put
the paper up right away, you know, I mean staple
gun the paper right onto the joys and the fiberglass
is stationary and it's in the the opening of the joye.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Right and that's the way I've got it now, okay.
And I have some some of the insulation came with
the craft paper attached, So yes, I'm putting that in
between the Joysus staple in it like I should. But
I have some unfortunately didn't notice it when I pulled
(26:21):
them down. I have some that is straight fiberglass insulation
in bats, but they don't have the craft paper on them.
So the wall that I have insulated with the just
straight fiberglass, what do I cover that wall with as
a barrier?
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Is it a whole? Well, I guess you could do
the craft paper. I'd rather see you do that than
the plastic. I mean you could run the plastic. You
could never run the plastic if you were below grade
because there's significantly more water vapor coming in. And what
we found back in the eighties and nineties is condensation
(27:05):
would occur behind that wall and it was cold in
a basement, and it became a mold issue. When you're
above grade, it's less of an issue. Okay. So I
would say you could cover that wall with plastic or
like a roll of craft paper, just to create a
(27:27):
little bit of a barrier. The paper is somewhat breathable.
Plastic is not breathable at all.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
Correct, Now, so the craft papers, that's something you can
readily is available.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, Plastic's going to be more available. I mean,
you get a four mili plastic roll, you know, ten
by twenty five? How big is this wall?
Speaker 8 (27:53):
Uh, thirty feet?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I don't think it's really going to hurt you. Above grade.
It's not something I really like to always recommend because
I'm always scared where people are going to put it.
But if it's above grade, you're you're gonna be all right.
It's you know that. Let me say, if water got
in there, could it disperse the water vapor through the
top of that?
Speaker 4 (28:20):
No, there's no.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, yeah, well you need a vapor bearrier there. So
you're going to have to put something there. You know,
even if you had a earth foam insulation, you've got
an option of open cell phone and closed cell phone,
and above the above grade you would have a closed
cell phone, which should be a vapor bearrier, which probably
(28:46):
wouldn't be much different than plastic. So I put the
I'd probably put the plastic up. I think that's what
I would do.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
Okay, so I can go either direction.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Really yep.
Speaker 8 (28:57):
And then one more question. This building came and it
had looked what looks like to me like m d
F on the floor. It's a it's a heavy thick
what looks like MD to me. If I covered that
with A if I put down a sub floor on
top of that, uh OSB, we'll work on that.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I don't know. I just don't know. I do know
that MDF is kind of a different What why was
that put on there to begin with?
Speaker 8 (29:35):
You know, well, I'm thinking that that's what it is
now it may be something else, but it looks like
it just looks it's that brown, kind of a.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Kind of a sow.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Yeah, so could it be masonite.
Speaker 8 (29:52):
It's possible, but it's not. It's not the hard thick
masonite now.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Mh And and you're saying, put the U s B
on that because you're going to do what.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
Well on top of that so that I have a
more solid structure. Oh, you're you know, to help that floor.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah. First, I'm saying you would be able to do that.
So you're just trying to get something smooth or more finished. Correct, Yeah,
I would say you could do that. It's where it's
going to get into trouble is when you start talking
about different types of If you were going to put
flooring on there, right, you know, the one thing you
(30:34):
got to think about is the MDF. It can swell
and warp and buckle, right if it gets wet, whereas
you're you know, you're OSB board is going to be
more forgiving.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So so yeah, I guess if we're a high net,
we're Okay, what's underneath that that that's get to that flooring?
What what's underneath that? Is it on? It's on?
Speaker 8 (31:06):
Yeah, they're they're sixteen on center floor joists.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah. Is there any insulation or vapor bearrier under that? No,
not that I know of, So that that flooring could shift,
But with the OSB board on there and nailed down,
it's probably going to hinder it from shifting. It's just
that it can absorb that moisture.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
Yeah, I'm thinking that this. When this was built, I'm
sure they put something.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Moisture on the floor under the slab.
Speaker 8 (31:40):
It would be under underneath somewhere.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yes, Yeah, and you can't get to that floor you
can't get to that Yeah, I'd say I'd probably take
the gamble yeah, I think that'll firm it up. It's
not ideal, but you know, you'd.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Firm it up. What I want to be I want
to cover some of that floor with the you know,
the vinyl plank. It's happened lot mm hmm. But I
want to use the flexible, not the hardcore, because in
case it does move, it's going to go with it.
It's not going to fall apart. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
And you got to remember too, when you when you're
when you get that flooring, if it's a you know,
if it's the flexible like a Connecto or something along
those lines, that'll become a vapor barrier also, but it
will be on top of it, right, So we not
(32:38):
you know, below it. Right, So we're kind of really
hoping that underneath that slab there's a vapor barrier. I
guess as much.
Speaker 8 (32:45):
I'm thinking there is. I'm thinking underneath that floor there's
a vapor barrier of some type. Because they build these
buildings all the time and they put them outside, so
you know it pre built buildings brought in, it should
be there should be a vapor bearer.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Yeah, because if you got plastic underneath, you're not going
to have that moisture issue. If you have no plastic
underneath and you got plastic on top, there's nowhere for
it to breathe, and that's really where the problem would be.
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Okay, all right, all right, we'll.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Hope that helps. We had to dig deep, so I
think you're on the right path though, So thank you
very much for the call. I appreciate it. We'll take
a break, we'll come back. We got Jerry. As we
work our way through the weekend. You're at home with
Gary Salvan right here in fifty five. Care see the
talk station, Well, twelve fifty it is. The sun's still out,
(33:46):
so we're on a hot streak. It looks looking like
maybe the seventies at least a day maybe two this week.
That ain't all bad, all right, let's get back to
the phone calls. By the way, if you want to
jump on board, happy to talk about a question you
have regarding your home and Jerry welcome.
Speaker 7 (34:06):
Asked Gary, I have a covered porch with a deck
on it that is now a screen room, and I'd
like to put one days in it. And I have
a question about the insulation underneath the deck. M I
want to keep the existing deck naturally has gaps throughout.
(34:27):
Do I put the paper of the insulation up or
do I put it down?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Or?
Speaker 7 (34:35):
And then I also want to know can I put
stuff in between the joys first? So I don't see
the insulation through the decking.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Well, here's the here's the issue, I guess is with
that type of wood, there's gonna be some expansion and contraction.
And when a deck is built, it's usually built that
that wood is going to well and then it's going
to shrink. So you actually putsive. Oh it's compositive. Okay,
(35:06):
so it's snug then right, yes, it should be applied
where it's snug. So there is a gap.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
There is a gap like through the decking boards. I
mean there is a space, it is spaced. And so
I was wondering, I don't want to see the pink
consolation or if a drink gets dropped and moisture get
down it there, thinking about me putting black plastic there,
but I didn't know if that was going to create
an issue with condensation.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah. First, let me apologize because I said that other wrong.
Pressure treated wood is pushed together when it's installed because
it shrinks. Composite would use like a finished nail as
a gap as installer if you will, because it swells
during the summer heat. So I apologize for that. So
(36:01):
we do have a gap. Now, is that is that
room we're gonna put windows in? Is it going to
be heated also?
Speaker 7 (36:08):
It will be heated yet.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Okay, so your your your your vapor barrier. The paper
is going to be to the warmest area, so it
will be up. It'll look like you're putting it in backwards.
The paper will go up under the base of the
(36:30):
composite decking. And to keep it in place, you'll have
these wires that will straddle the inside portion of the joist.
That's what's going to hold it in place. So if
you wanted to take that paper vapor barrier and spray
(36:51):
like a black paint on it, or put a piece
of black plastic underneath there and then push the uh,
you would have vapor bearrier on vapor barriers, so you're
not gonna hurt yourself and install it that way. That
would be good. Also, so the black plants.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
That won't cause any conversation issue.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
No, no, no, because your your your vapor barrier will
always go up to the warm side. So you know,
like if you're in an attic, that vapor bearrier is
going down on the backside of the ceiling facing the
bedroom or the family room. And uh, you're above grade,
so you should have you should have no issues with
(37:35):
the vapor barrier at all. It should be doing its job, okay.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
And I was thinking about putting like at the bottom
of the joints and nail up like an insulation board.
Is that would that be okay to do?
Speaker 6 (37:48):
So?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Well? That might be better than doing all the other
quite honestly. I mean if you can get what what
type of insulain board you're talking like a four x
eight board or something like that.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
Yeah, like a.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
Yeah, it's like a fourm eighth sheet a half inch
insulation board.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Now is that with the foil on it too?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
I mean it could be. It's more or less I
guess to keep rodents or whatever out from underneath there
because it's it's probably only about maybe two feet off
the ground. It's enough to lay down in my work.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
But that's it.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I'll tell you. Let me make this. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you're gonna have to go one way or the other.
I think you could put the insulating board and let
it be okay, and then put nothing in the joys
then huh, well not if you're gonna put that insulating
board up in there. I think you'd be fine if
you get it with a silver on there. You could
(38:45):
paint that black. I think the best thing to be
really honest, I'd put foam.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
In there, like a like an insulating phone.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, I'd put I'd have a phone put in there.
There's so many other things that's just going through my head.
A lot of different things you could put in there,
even foam panels and have it black and might be
a pretty good alternative too. It's going to be more stable.
You can get it with a closed cell phone, which
(39:17):
would be a vapor bearer. It would be less advantageous
for you know, an animal to get in there and
start tearing that up like a fiberglass would be.
Speaker 7 (39:28):
Yes, okay, so it's kind of like a like that
blown in insulation, but it's a link what that that turns.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Hard to a yeah? Yeah? Yeah. So you know I
talk a lot about USA insallation where they pump a
foam into walls.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
The only thing I'd be concerned about, and I don't
have the answer for you, there is with that gap
and that composite, you don't want the phone coming up
on the inside. I wonder if they would put the
black plastic in there for you.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
Okay, so well, I don't mind getting underneath there and
state went of blacktop as long as as long as
I ain't gonna call the problem with the conversation I'm
doing with that.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, I'm sorry to throw out all these ideas, but
you know I would kind of spitballing and thinking out loud.
I think the bottom line is, no matter what type
of insulation you want, you're gonna want to be two things. One,
you want to have a vapor barrier facing the inside
of the living quarters, and you want to have the
(40:41):
insulation that's being used as much of a varmint deterrent
as you can. So thinking even of another idea is
maybe lining that bottom of that deck with like a
chicken wire or something along nose lines to just keep it,
you know, a little bit more stable. Hopefully that helps.
(41:04):
I probably talked about too many things there to really
give you a final solution, but a lot of good
ideas there on which way to go. You just got
to have that vapor barrier in all right, Danny boy,
thank you very much. A busy day, busy last hour,
that's for sure, and a good lord willing we'll both
be back tomorrow for more At Home with Garry Sullivan
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