Gary Sullivan 5/18/2025 Hour 1

your calls, tips and questions with the guy who is all about easy.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Well, the weekends upon us. Welcome a board.

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Well, a couple things in the news with this week
which has perked my interest on how familiar are you
with tiny Holmes. It's I talked about this, gosh. I
bet you it's been I bet you it's been about
eight years now. And tiny homes come in now, different variations,

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and I don't know or you know, affordable housing, housing crisis.
Have you ever been in a tiny home? Have you
ever seen a tiny home? Do you know what a
tiny home is? And don't say it's a tiny home, Gary, Um,
it is a tiny home sometimes or most of the time,
less than five hundred square feet. Started out with shipping

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containers turned into homes, And don't laugh at that until
you see one, and really don't laugh at one until
you've been inside one. Certainly that house can look like
a shipping container. You're can have windows cut in at
a door cut in it, but still looks like a
shipping container. Some tiny homes made of shipping containers are
in there. They're incredible. Somewhere around twenty to twenty five

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thousand dollars per shipping container turned into a home.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
That's about the cost.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
You can stack them, you can weld them together. You
can have a eastern size you know, bigger than five
hundred square feet for you know, under one hundred thousand
dollars for sure, maybe around sixty. You can stack them,
you can angle them, you can spread them out, you
can you can cut hallways in them. Anyway. It's interesting

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and it's an affordable option. It's not for everybody, but
maybe when finances are tight, it's better than reading. There's
also and I don't have the stats because I read
the article. I can't find it again. It's a production

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house that is a tiny home that is shipped and
it folds out. That's right, it folds out, grain moves
the walls out, and same type of deal, five hundred
square feet. And I said, don't laugh till you've been
in one.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I know.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
The first one I went into was just a shipping container,
not stacked, not trimmed out. I've seen somewhere they're stacked,
trimmed out, even with teak wood out on the West coast.
They're attractive. But when I went in, my first one
was just a tiny home, shipping container. And I walked
in and there was a little sitting room to the

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left and I five by seven, enough for a TV
and a couch, little tiny kitchenette, little tiny bathroom and
shower at the end of the bedroom, and the bed
took up most of the bedroom, so it's a tiny home.
And where is the housing industry going? How do we

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create that affordable housing? And that's kind of an interesting term,
too affordable to whom. As I talk and people about homes,
you know a lot of times I hear I can't
afford the home well, and that's you know, many people can't.
But can you really afford rent? That's a big problem too,

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and you become no longer in control of your life
because that rent can change whenever. Anyway, that's one thing
that was in the news. The other thing that was
in the news was I think it's in the news
every year energy rates are going up, talking about electricity

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rates and AC and how that goes up and it
surpasses inflation. This year, I think they're expecting a fourteen
percent increase. Nobody ever wants to hear that, that's for sure.
And it started talking about you know what you're going

(05:54):
to set your thermostat on with a fourteen percent increase
in electric rates? I mean, are you at the breaking
point on your energy costs?

Speaker 3 (06:06):
Now?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
A lot of people are, And it set as suggested
rate or what most people we're going to do is
seventy eight degrees. You do what you gotta do. I
don't know, seventy eight degrees is not bad if you
control other aspects of the home. Uh, insulation again, rather

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than moving thermostat numbers up. If we can hold that
coolness in, that's the better play. But insulation costs money, right,
But the long term solution is not keep moving the
thermostat up. It's really the insulate and hold the cool in.
We started doing some things at our house. We haven't

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had the AC on. But really, if you control how
you open and close windows, I don't know if you've
ever noticed. If your home's well insulated, and let's say
it was a really cold night and you wake up,
Let's say the temperature in your house is sixty seven
degrees and then all of a sudden during the day
it's seventy five outside. Open up the windows and bring

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the heat in because the inside's colder than the outside.
And closing doors and just just controlling that outdoor air
and indoor air can really help you. Controlling the humidity
is also very helpful. You get seventy two degrees in
a human house is probably more uncomfortable than a seventy

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eight degree house with perfect humidity in it. I didn't
do the test, but it'd be close. Remember when the
air conditioner's on, the fan is on auto.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
It just turns on.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
When the air conditioner turns on, it doesn't run the
whole time. It'll help control the commity.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
In your house.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
All right, let me give you the phone number and
then we'll get into answering your questions regarding your home.
All right, it's eight hundred eight two three eight two
five five. That's eight hundred eight two three eight two
five five. If this is the year that you're thinking
about a roof. We got a nice little podcast available

(08:28):
and it's on the iHeart app. It's Roofing Questions. Brian
Adis addis roofing as a local company, and I had
him on yesterday and we were just talking about storm damage.
We were talking about what to look for in a
bid when you're getting roofing. You might want to just
kind of check and take a quick listen to that
and pick up some tips before you start searching the

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you know, the whole project of having a roof install
to your home. And one of the things he brought
up there too, and it's really really important that is
not just the roof, but the whole play on ventilation,
which we've talked about often. Proper ventilation in an attic

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is really a big component of a roof that lasts longer.
And one of the things Brian was saying in that
interview was how many homes he's doing where bathroom fans
are not vented to the outside. And just think about this.
If you have a bathroom fan that's pulling that hot,

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steamy air out of the bathroom when you're showering and
it's twenty degrees outside, and it's pumping that warm moist
air into the attic, not outside, into the attic, and
it hits that really cold temperature which can't hold as
much water as warmer temperatures, and it can literally rain
in your attic. You can produce moisture, which gets the

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insulation wet, which becomes ineffective. That's a good tip even
on talking to a roofer, because that's the things they
got to check or should be checking.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
All right, Uh, Brian and Victor, you'll be up first.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
We'll take a break and come back and we'll start
with your questions.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
You can join us. You're at home with Gary Sullivan.

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All right back at it we go twenty one minutes
after the top they are talking home improvement. You're at
home with Gary Sullivan. To the phones. We shall go
and let's go to Brian.

Speaker 6 (13:23):
Brian.

Speaker 7 (13:23):
Welcome, Hey Gary, what are you this morning?

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Doing fine?

Speaker 7 (13:29):
I'm good. I'm calling with two quick questions. First, I've
got a redwood deck that was done with new construction
over thirty years ago, and about twenty eight years ago
I put a cover over the top of it with redwood,

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just a canopy with redwood two by fours and just
have those spread out about two inches apart, just for
a partial sunblock.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Okay, So the deck itself.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
Looks great, and I've actually only treated it three times
in the last thirty years, and I'm getting ready to
do it again. But the obviously the can and a
p S gating tons more sound and so they're a
little more weathered. And you talked a couple of weeks
ago about a product that was and kind of a

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semi permanent type treatment for wood decks and maybe some
other stuff that was a thicker.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Could it have been something ink or Yeah. There's a
couple of things that kind of fall in that category.
One of them is called one time wood it is
comes in clear. It also comes in you know, the redwood,
the cedar, colors, the brown, et cetera. And it is
a it is a liquid solid. There is no solvent,

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there is no water in it. It actually cures from
the sun and it penetrates into the wood and cures
because it's you know, it's got plenty of UV raised
in sunshine and it'll last you anywhere from seven to
ten years. That's that's the one thing. The other product

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I talk about, I usually talk in a little bit
of a negative tone, and it's it's it's a product
that was created as a thick coating to go over
decks that have not been maintained and there's splinters and
the wood is cracked, the grain is raised, and it's

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a more of a coating than a pain. It's about
as thick as a credit card. It's about fifty square
feet to a gallon, and give you an idea of
the thickness on it. And the purpose of that product
being created is to buy you time before you replace
that wood. And the lifespan on that was supposed to

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be about four to six years. It does what it says,
it protects it. The problem with it sometimes is since
it's so thick, it doesn't bite into the surface all
the time unless it's prepared properly, and I mean, you know,

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really prepared. So first it's got to be really weathered.
It's got to be kind of like I described a
wood cracking grain raised. I would use like a deck brightener,
which is an oxalic acid. It's actually a wood bleach,
which it's called deck restore is usually the name of it.

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And what it does is it opens up those fibers
even more, allowing for that product to grip into the wood.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
And that that's.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
The two products when I talk about long range. But
that restoration product, that thick coating is really designed as
a one time application.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
Okay, very good. It sounds like one time. What's a
way for me to go on that one? And then
my second question, Gary, is I live at the end
of a cul de sac, and so where the asphalt
meets my driveway and the concrete curbing, there's about a
two inch gap between the asphalt and the concrete curbing.

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Can I use an asphalt patch in there or is
that just going to eventually split also? And if so,
is there some type of expandable thing I know I
have to put back or writing.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, there is asphalt will eventually fail there, but it
might be worth a try. You know, it's not going
to fail like any year or so, but you've got
two different slabs that are going to be moving at
different rates, and it'll be expansion contraction up and down,
and it'll eventually crumble. The other option would be to

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dig that out, you know, clean out all the weeds
and all the gunk that's in there, put the backer
rod down. You're exactly right. You want to put a
backer rod down, and then you could use a self
leveling urethane crack filler.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
You'll see that a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
In big mezzanines at stadiums, and that rubberized goop between
two big slabs. I don't know if you've ever paid
attention and seen that, but it's kind of a it's
still pliable. You'd almost push your finger into it. Uh,
that's your thane. That's got the probably the best adhesion,
the best flexibility, and you know, nothing's forever, but that

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would last probably the longest time of anything you could
put in there. You got to use an industrial grade
calking gun. It comes in a big calcking tube. There's
probably a porrible leveling your thane. It would probably have
to be got at a specialty concrete store. But the

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self leveling your thing calking with the industrial calking gun.
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made by Quicker.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
And Uh.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think that's the direction I would go if you're
looking for something of.

Speaker 8 (19:32):
A long term.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
All right, I hope that helps, Brian. Thank you much, Victor,
you'll be up next. You can join us. It's eight
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Hope you're having a great weekend getting a few things
done around the home. Well, we're here to have help
if you're at home with Garry Sullivan and taking your
calls regarding your home repair or maintenance issues around the home.
It's eight hundred eight two three eight two five five.
Go ahead, grab a line, Victor, you're up.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Welcome hither, very long time trying to get ahold of
youth as as possible.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
I got a question concerning skylight m H. I have
a two by four skylight that came with curbing, and
the curbing only extends out about two inches to be
underneath the shingling. Do they make an extension curbing for

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that or does one half to manufacture some self USh.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I think you're going to probably have to manufacture. It
may come in different highs, but I don't have one
that would clip on the top that I can that
I can picture.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
How high do you need to bring it up?

Speaker 3 (23:51):
It's about two and a half three inches.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
You have to increase it that much.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Well, no, as far as the window itself is concerned,
but to go underneath the shingles, oh, I see, and
I have to seal it about every two years, take
out the old ceiling because it's it's shrunken, and then
put in next to the shingle, to the curbing. And

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I just wanted if there's something in the industry that
extends that curbing away from the window so that it
has a.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Better I think you're going to manufacture a type of
you know, like a flashing or something along that line.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
One of the problems, maybe Victor, is there are different
grades of the you know, the roof patches, the roof cements,
et cetera. I would say ninety percent of the stuff
you're going to find a hardware store, a big box store.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Is going to be replaced in a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I mean, the sun just beats it up, it cracks,
it shrinks, it just gets old. What you need is
you probably need a better grade. Maybe at a roofing
supply you could pick it up. And there's also other
things too that There's like a GSL brushable ceilant with
a real strong UV block in it, which is a

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brushable and trillable flashing which you'll give you much more longevity.
There's also a professional grade patch called Karnak which would
also give you great UV blocking and you wouldn't get
that cracking and that drying out as quickly as you

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are with your standard roof patch.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Okay, well I think that's probably.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
What I would, you know, work on and see if
you just can't get it to last a lot longer.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah, I wish manufacturers would make something that would more extend.
That's it. That's it for me. I thank you very much,
and have a happy Memorial Day.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Thank you, thank you sir. Take care. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
And that's a big weekend to get a lot of
things done around the home, no question about it. And
that's what we're talking about as things to get done
around the home. You can grab a line. We got
open line. So if you've been trying even a few
Sundays in a row or Saturdays in a row, or
maybe even today, go ahead and try right now. The

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lines are open. It's eight hundred eight two three A
two five five. As the weather heats up, things to
pay attention. We were talking about air conditioning and how
you just kind of can manipulate and control warm air
that enters your house and keep the cooler air in
and all that. It's all about energy savings. And of

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course we can go into insulation, and we can go
into weather stripping, and happy to take questions on that,
but it's a pretty straightforward issue. Other things to make
it more energy efficient. Your air handler is that air
that you've cooled or that you've heated is a clean filter.

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And don't laugh if you ever saw the data on
how much a dirty filter how much air loss you have.
It's significant, and it takes longer to satisfy that thermostat,
and so the unit is working harder, longer, reducing the
life of the unit, running up your energy bill. Replacing

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that filter on a timely schedule is important. I've been
reading more and more things where it talks about, and
I've preached this for years too, the flat inexpensive air filter.
You know under a buck, you know they're gonna last
thirty days and then you need to replace it. Depleted ones,

(27:48):
I'd always ninety days. I'm reading more and more where
people are saying, you know, I replaced mine every sixty days,
and I think I'm going to go along with that.
I mean, if you're you, and maybe not the ultra
allergen ones, but the ones that are pleated filters that
are four bucks somewhere along those lines, even the six

(28:09):
buck ones. Really, if you check it in sixty days,
hold it up to a window with the sun and
just see how much dirt that's accumulated in the summertime,
if you've got kids, more people in the house, more
traffic going on the holidays, more traffic going on creates
more dust. More dust creates dirty filters, and really doing

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it every sixty days might be an answer to actually
reducing the cost and expending the life of the air handler.
So give that some thought. Also on the outside where
your compressor is, boy, I see this all the time,
especially as time of year where everything is in full
growth mode, and if you got the compressor out there,

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and I don't know, you got bushes around it, and
you know maybe in the fall they got trimmed back,
and now you've got new growth and it's hanging over
the compressor. It's it's it's decreasing the airflow again, making
things work harder. And the harder it works, the more
it costs you. And in a lot of cases, not

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only is it working harder, the more it's costing you,
it's less efficient. So make sure you got an opening
a couple of feet all the way around that compressor outside. Uh,
it'll pay for your efforts for sure.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
All right, let's go to Jim, Jim, Welcome.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Morning again, coach. I put I put the all the
easy birdies do under the house. I got a cross
face on the rectangular ranch, uh huh. And my hardwood
flowards they run the length ways of the house, okay,
And and a joy's run across the short side of
the house.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (29:53):
And what I was what I was curious about when
the floor fans that go into the floorwork, I'm gonna
put them on the diag on the other end of
the house, away from the out exhaust part down there.
I would like to run across the boards, but I
don't want to cut six boards out there to put

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them in there. Was I was thinking more about taking
one and a half and a half off the other
one and run a long way for the strength. Okay,
what's your thoughts on that one? If I can't have
I confused you yet?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well, oh, Tad, it's not very difficult to confuse me.
But I think you'd be all right doing that, Jim.
I don't know why there would be a problem on that.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
Well, I was going to take and runing lengthways because
to me it would be structural because I got to
take out one full board eleven inches right now, I'll
have to rip off I'll have to rip off an
inch and a half off the other two. That'll give
me a give me a three quarters and three quarters
and then one full board out.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
So as long as it structurally sound, and then you
can get that, you know, conditioned there down into there,
you will solve the problem. The angle of it shouldn't
make any difference at all.

Speaker 6 (31:08):
When I put that easy buried in and I didn't,
I mean it in two hours, I can tell a
difference in the house mountain. It's amazing and anyhow, like
I've got plenty of room around where my my floor
events come up around the floor events. I mean, this
place was built in nineteen fifty six, and I mean
it's not carp it's not cabinet work. It's got little

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you know, eight inch here and eight inch there and
everything else on the floor. And I'm doing pretty good
just the way I am. I'm thinking really about just
drilling a one inch pile of the hole in the
far corner and see if I'm getting any draft out
of that and without putting the floor fans in. But yeah,
you know, I'm just I was just thinking about doing
that too.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Well.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, and that probably gets into more of a question
with easy breed.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
To see, it's.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Kind of like balancing out when you inslate an attic
and you have ventilation, you got sofet's there's a formula
for how much air's got to come in and versus
how much space you got to top to a ridge
event that you can get the air out. But the
way an easy bree does is it's creating a draft, right,
It's bringing the conditioned air into a area that you know,

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stagnant in a lot case and there's no air movement,
and it's got a ventilation fen and it's got a
pipe and it's outside, so it's kind of sucking air
down there. So any openings, even along baseboards and flooring,
there's a natural gap there between the walls. It's pulling
air there. It's pulling air between the gaps. The big
question is is there enough of it?

Speaker 6 (32:43):
I'm just kind of curious a lot. So I could
tell the difference in the house in first two hours.
I mean I couldn't believe when I walk back in. Yeah,
I mean, this is just too good.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah, it makes a big difference. Like I said, I
have one not for a cross space, but for a basement.
And I've said it many times. I've for probably fifteen
sixteen years. And after a while, like everything else, you
just get used to it.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
And I thought, you know, does.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
That really is that really still helping? I mean I
noticed it when I put it in. I don't notice
it anymore because it's always okay. And I turned that
thing off and within two hours, within two hours, I
could tell that thing was off.

Speaker 6 (33:20):
All right, Now, do you do you have the full
of things? And you were full upstairs?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
No I don't, but no, no, But I don't have
a door going down to the basement, and even if
I did, there'd be a gap at the bottom of
the basement or bottom of the door that would create
enough air. But I put it way far back into
the basement, the finish basement, as far back as I can,
and having that fan again, it's exiting air. It's pulling

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air outside, and it's pulling it down the steps from
the first floor. It's pulling that air down and then
it's getting its replacement air from you know, in and
out of the house, opening the doors, the little again
underneath the baseboard, there's a natural gap. In fact, some

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people come playing if they got carpet, the carpet gets
dirty there because it works like a filter. So replacement air.
Your house is always breathing. They're not air tight, even
the you know, the best built homes, they're not air tight,
and it's just pulling some of that it's so it's marginal,
but it's enough to turn that air over in the

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basement where it's not driving up energy costs. It's inexpensive
to operate. So I don't have holes in the floor, no,
but I got a big staircase. It's just pulling the
air right down there, bouncing it out.

Speaker 6 (34:45):
All you got time for one more? This is a
quick Yeah. I've got a shrey out on my roof
for a flying of roof flying good for the chimney
and on the garage. And I'm starting to know a
little bit of rest on that puppy. It's not resting through.
It's not blake and or anything like that. Yet. Should
I put uh ruff, rush reformer or at rust neutralizer

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on that?

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:09):
And uh yeah, I just neverray that on. Brush it
on there again. Not a paint reacts with the rust,
turns it black and functions as a primer.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
Oh nice, galanized. It won't hurt galvanized all right.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
No sir, nope, it'll do exactly what it says. It'll
just react with that rust coating and it'll seal that
rust into that metal.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
All right, thank you. I'll let somebody else on there
and I'll be calling back for something like thanks.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
That's great, Jim, looking forward to it. Thanks, take care,
all right. If you'd like to get grab a line,
we got them. They're open. It's eight hundred eighty two
three eight two five five at home with Gary Sullivan.

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Speaker 1 (38:46):
All right, back at it.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
We go at home with Gary Sullivan when we were
talking a little bit about RUSS and we talked about
the rust reformer. I give these a lot of times
when we're talking about projects. There's multiple answers, multiple ways
of tackling different projects. I jokingly say all the time,
I'm all about easy.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
It really is not a joke.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I am about easy, the easy way, but not necessarily
the wrong way, not necessarily the cheap way. But if
you can find something that functions and it's easier, why not.
So battling rust on metal, whether it's a wrought iron
railing by the front door, whether it's flashing, whether it's

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an old light post, basketball poll, and there's rust on it,
and you have options. And one of the options is
the way they You know, people have been painting and
repairing metal for years, wire brush, sandpaper and removing as

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much of that rust as you possibly can, getting it
down to the regular metal and the rust gone, and
then determining if it's a heavy rusted area, because you'll
never get it all gone right. You grind it off,
but you'll see still pitting and stuff, but heavy rust
you would use a red heavy primer. Light rust, where

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it's just kind of a surface rust, you would wire
brush that or sand it and get it a little
bit smooth, and then you would use a.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Gray metal primer on that.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
And then if you can get a good oil quality
enamel or a eurothane enamel, that'd be tremendous.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I mean, you'll.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Clean that up, it'll look like new, and you know
whether rust again. It will if that paint film cracks,
water gets on it, it's probably gonna rust again. But
it's outside. It's mother nature. Another way to take a
look at it and is looking examining it and making

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it determine whether it's a light rust or it's a
real heavy crusty rust. If it's a heavy crusty rust,
you're gonna have to get a scraper and knock some
of that crustacean off. If it's a light rust and
it's just rust colored, you can use this technique. Or again,
if it's a heavy rust and you knock off the

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you know, the real scally rust, and then the rest
of it's just minimally rusty, you can use what he
was talking about, Jim. He was talking about a rust
reformer or a rust neutralizer. And what that is is
that is actually a chemical. It's not a paint. It's
a chemical that is brushed onto iron oxide rust and

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it reacts with to the iron oxide. It creates a
chemical reaction and the rust will turn black and it
will seal it into the metal. So that was pretty easy, right,
we're not doing in fact, even for light rust, we
really don't even have the sand heavy rush. You got

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to knock off the scaly parts of rust, but.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
That's not that tough.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
And the rust reformer rust neutralizer, it can be sprayed on.
It also comes in liquid form where you can cork
can or whatever and just brush the rust reformer rust
neutralizer on and this chemical reaction takes place. It seals
the rust into the metal, it turns it black, and it.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Can function as a primer. It's not paint.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
It can function as a primer. Then what that means
is you can simply paint over it. Do read on
the back of that can. Because there's different qualities and
different types of rust reformer and rust neutralizer, some of
them will say only recoat with a solvent based enamel,

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not to be used with a modified acrylic The reason
for that is since it is a chemical reaction and
it does produce a little bit of heat. There are
different brands that you can't use acrylics on, so you're
just gonna have to read that label and see what
that particular one in the hardware store tells you to

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recoat with. If it's a solvent base, you can just
use some of that rustolium and which is a solvent
based enamel, and just coat with that. Then there's even
the next step up, and this is a product called
hammer right now, the finish is not smooth. It's a
hammered finish, works really good on flashings. All you do

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with this, no primer needed, no rust removing needed. If
it's scally again, yes you got to scrape the scales off,
but the hammer right paint. If it's ninety degrees in sunny,
it goes on like chewing gum.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Not fun.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
But if you get a day like it's seventy degrees
and over cast, perfect, all you'll do is stir that
up and brush. It's a thick coating. It's actually got
fibers you can't even see, and when it dries, that's
what gives you that hammered look, and boy, it'll it'll
really stick. It'll really stick. It's not cheap, but again

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saving you time and ending up with the results you want.
So I encourage you to do a little study before
you tackle that project, because quite honestly, it can be
a pretty big project, time consuming project.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
All Right.

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And you're at home with Gary Sullivan.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
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